I'm sorry... but the last few paragraphs sound like someone clinging onto the good old days.
There is alot to learn from the audio and still image transition to digital.... This shouldn't be coming as any shock to you.... jobs will be lost and other jobs created, skilled individuals will make it work or adjust.
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05-15-2012 11:34 AM
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05-15-2012 12:00 PM
When I look at the ocean, I see the waves coming again and again and hitting the shores. They go back only to come again, taking small bits and pieces of sand/earth with it. That is life. Life doesn't mean standing still. Life means a movement, a change towards better. We have to evolve, we have to adapt. Else, we will be thrown into the dark corners of history which nobody cares to read.
You feel the pain that someone who hasn't ever shot in film, is now competing with you. That is life.
I feel extremely happy that the new age tools empowers people. A person who has a dream in his/her heart can now stand up and showcase his/her work. I am not saying that he/she competes with you because I think a person should only try to unleash his/her potential. That will take you to your dreams.
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05-15-2012 12:35 PM
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Also... surely talented grips, etc will be required whether shooting a film on a DSLR/C500/Epic or a huge film camera?
05-15-2012 01:59 PM
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FilmDude, you make some compelling comments, and I agree with a lot of what you've said. There does seem to be a healthy dose of luddite thrown in, though. (And I'm a bit of that myself concerning many fields.)
I do find it puzzling that you mention high-end television production, actually start the list with House MD, and then fail to mention the season finale where they shot the entire episode, not E/F/G cam, on 5DMKIIs. Kind of goes to the heart of the matter of a big budget show not willing to try something new. (This thread is so long, maybe that was dealt with earlier?)
Also, as another poster said, FilmTools is pretty synonymous with big production in town. I'd not dismiss their comments on what's going out the door so lightly. DSLRs and their spawn are here to stay for use in all production budgets.
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05-15-2012 02:38 PM
Well.....I'm glad to hear your view from the east coast....as for some of your opening statements, I'll clarify from my end. NCIS-LA shoots with the Alexa (a few) and they bought a camera from me (w/ the cinevate plate) to add to their stable. I agree with you that a typical situation on the set in a 1 hour show where the A camera is covering the wide and the matching B camera is the close up/ long lens one. Often I hear that a show is an "Alexa" show, using multiple Alexas (2nd unit is off somewhere) and then they refer to a second camera they are using for special circumstances as B cameras.......so some of this argument is semantics. Anyway, NCIS-LA did buy the camera to use in B camera situations....night, tight spots, car mount, aerials, etc....so I think we can let it go at that. The strong codec that the C300 uses closely matches the ProRes 422 codec that is used on most 1 hours here in town ....and that, along with this camera's amazing low light capabilities, is why so many shows are investigating the C300. As for features, Ron Howard is shooting his latest on the C300....and I could list quite a few features in the lower to medium budgets (2-10 mil) that are shooting with the C300 as the A camera, some just because of the low light advantages.
PS- I suspect that you will be at Cinegear so maybe you'll come up to me and introduce yourself...we'll be on one of the stages with the C300 all dressed up.
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05-15-2012 04:33 PM
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05-15-2012 07:01 PM
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I am a working union member in the industry. Here are the facts as I have experienced them.
I just finished a pilot for NBC. 2 Alexas, 2 canon 5D MKll's and a couple of go pro's
Every job, studio and major network, I've done in the past 2 years has had a 5d on it. It gets in places other cams can't.
No jobs have been lost in any departments from the film to video transition. And thats not the union keeping those jobs alive. Its manpower thats needed. In fact there may be more positions in the camera and video departments because video cams need new support where film did not.
Theres no adapt to die crap to this, its just a similar but different tool with the same support needed with a couple of new positions added to make the same product.
05-15-2012 07:53 PM
The massive industry, the high-end as you call, has been killing the cinema. Not only the internet. Their product, most part, is s*%t. You disdain the indies, but they are who has made the history of filmmaking since the golden days of hollywood, already passed away decades ago. Why? 'cause the high-end guys are the geekest of the geeks. They don't give a damn for aesthetics, they don't even understand the meaning of the word. I am not speaking towards you, of course : ) But "the" industry you praise so much to protect. They are also but definitely NOT 'the' cinema :-) With the due respect (again, I am not inferring you are one of them, I don't even know your name! ;) mercenaries who think they have, but they have no clue about it. They could be selling soap with the same joy, I guess. For some reason, stories became soap operas for such purpose. Saving jobs. Re-invent the 'thing'! I am used to call it work instead. I make it happen, I am not waiting for the ringing sound of the telephone. Since about 20 years ago. And yes, I spend 70% to 90% of my time with boring stuff. Some call it life, others... to survive working with art. Not an inscription in someone else's payroll.
End of rant.
A last note, all my background is old school too
05-15-2012 07:54 PM
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