Bolex D16: RAW, 16/Super 16 sensor size, costs less than MkIII

[Razz16mm]

None of which look like other 35mm films at the time, and all of which also have only been shown after having been transferred onto 35mm and then scanned back in for the masters. The look works for those films, but it in no way looks like your typical narrative film.

Imax looks like Imax
70mm looks like 70mm
35mm looks like 35mm
16mm looks like 16mm
1/3" video looks like 1/3' video. They all have their own aesthetic characteristics and what best suits any particular project or shooting style is a matter of personal creative choice and practical consideration.

[Gary Huff]

Okay, so when people say "Cinematic" they mean the look of typical 35mm film stocks used to produce narrative shows and movies. Therefore, 1/3" video cameras do not, by and large, look "cinematic" because they look like 1/3" video, not 35mm film.

[Razz16mm]

Okay, so when people say "Cinematic" they mean the look of typical 35mm film stocks used to produce narrative shows and movies. Therefore, 1/3" video cameras do not, by and large, look "cinematic" because they look like 1/3" video, not 35mm film.

DSLR's don't look cinematic by that definition either as the video quality bears no resemblance to film at all. They do have 35mm sized image characteristics like DOF, but that is about it.

[L1N3ARX]

DSLR's don't look cinematic by that definition either as the video quality bears no resemblance to film at all. They do have 35mm sized image characteristics like DOF, but that is about it.

I think that aside from sensor size, DSLR's have a unique way of rendering motion that seems to emulate film in a very visible way. Even though cameras like the FS100/700 C300 are obviously superior to any DSLR (5DIII and the GH2 particularly), there is something instinctively film-like about them. For a narrative, DSLR's still seem to be the best way to achieve a cinematic / film-like (whatever the hell you want to call it : ) look. The only regular video cameras / cinema cameras that pull it off well are the Alexa, BMCC (looks very much like alexa as well) and RED to a certain extent.

The D16 simply has a very traditional video camera look, like an FS100 or AF100. Nothing wrong with that at all, just not what it looks like they're trying to achieve with this camera. If you look at what few samples are out of the BMCC, and ignore the content / grading, you'll see that motion-wise combined with the incredible DR... just how amazingly film-like it appears to be.

[Gary Huff]

DSLR's don't look cinematic by that definition either as the video quality bears no resemblance to film at all. They do have 35mm sized image characteristics like DOF, but that is about it.

And I would agree with that.

[combatentropy]

From much experimenting, I have found that the look of film has absolutely nothing to do with the sensor. It's all in the grade. Specifically the gamma curve.

Electronic sensors naturally respond to light linearly. +1 photon = +1 brightness
Film naturally responds to light in an S-curve: +1 photon = it depends, but it is predictable. In the mid-tones it is high contrast. In the lows and highs, it is low contrast. That is the essence of an S-curve.

Apply an S curve to video, and you will have a filmic look. However, since changing the gamma curve is by definition stretching the image, the video from 8-bit, high-compression video typically falls apart before you can get it where you need it to be.

[Gary Huff]

From much experimenting, I have found that the look of film has absolutely nothing to do with the sensor. It's all in the grade. Specifically the gamma curve.

Examples would be nice to back up your assertion, especially screen shots showing footage from 1/3" CCD sensor cams.

[vladszp]

dvx100 andromeda mod ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E1cCXjOWeU
power of RAW....

[Razz16mm]

From my GL2

[starcentral]

Guys the bolex conversion DSLR kit is already out - where have you all been?