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    Atomos Ninja or Atomos Samurai for my AF100???
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    For green screen work, I'm considering getting an external recorder that can bypass the AF100's internal AVCHD codec. I'm just not sure whether to go with the Atomos Ninja (HDMI) or the Atomos Samurai (SDI).

    I know that the Samurai is $600 more than the Ninja. Does it give you more recording options? Better color space?

    I have different projects that will involve using the AF100, GH2, FS100, and later this year the C300.

    That's why I'm unsure of which external recorder to get.

    If anyone knows of something better, please let me know. Thanks very much.


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    I would recommend the Samurai. We rely heavily on timecode and the
    Ninja doesn't do that (via HDMI).

    Secondarily, Atomos recently added a feature to start and stop recording
    when the SDI rec bit is detected. Once you hit "record" on the AF100, the
    Samurai starts recording.

    The reliability / durability of SDI is much better.

    The SDI looks better :-)

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    Thanks very much Jeff. I'm sure you're right. I've always felt more secure with SDI connections anyway. I like the way they lock into place.


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    Nicholas - Im just here to agree with Jeff. Ninja is a nice product - Samurai beefs everything up including being larger.
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    Except that the Samurai won't work at all with two of the cameras on his list (GH2 and FS100).

    While I heartily agree that SDI is an astoundingly better connection than HDMI, if you truly want to be able to use one device on all four of those cameras, the Ninja could do it whereas the Samurai couldn't.

    Another option to consider would be the new BlackMagic Hyperdeck Shuttle 2. It has both SDI and HDMI, and costs about a third of what the Ninja does.


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    Isn't Atomos selling HDMI/SDI adapters now as well?


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    Thank you very much everybody, and thank you very much Barry for your input as well. I just looked up Blackmagic's Hyperdeck Shuttle 2 up on B&H (where I buy most of my gear), and the reviews seem to be somewhat mixed. The fact that it costs so much less makes me a little hesitant. Does it do everything the Ninja does? I'm just wondering why it would be 1/3 the price of the Ninja.


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    The HD BM Shuttle does not do everything the Samurai does.

    In fact its just a recorder. A very manual one at that.

    The Saumuari has a lot of vital features worth reading up on in the Samurai User Manual ( downloadable to anyone)
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    Sorry about that .. I missed some of the HDMI only cameras out there.


    The Blackmagic Hyperdeck is a raw recorder .. so you'll have to invest more in the SSD media
    that you use .. and it stresses the SSD more because of the very high datarate. You'll
    need to get the top-of-the-line SSD drives and they're more expensive.

    And the fun begins when you get it into your NLE and the uncompressed clips drag your
    system to its knees :-0

    But for green-screen, less compression artifacts often yield better overall results.

    One potential solution would be to use one of several HDMI to SDI converters. However, it will
    run you between $280 and $400 (depending on which converter).

    I know it's a difficult decision ... but I hate going for the lowest common denominator :-)

    Maybe Barry's right .. you could try the Hyperdeck shuttle and see if it works for you .. Blackmagic and
    it's dealers are pretty good with their return policies.

    If it works ... great! .. you've saved yourself a lot of money.


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    I have different projects that will involve using the AF100, GH2, FS100, and later this year the C300.

    If it works ... great! .. you've saved yourself a lot of money.
    He is going to be running 4 cameras for these green screen projects. Why does he need to save money?

    I would be getting the SD Pix 240 - maybe one for each camera

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