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12-23-2011 08:02 AM
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12-23-2011 08:12 AM
So I certainly want Prometheus to be a return to the brilliance of Ridley Scott's Alien. At the same time though, you make an excellent point Batutta. So many times have we seen either subpar sequels/prequels from the same team that made a great first film in a series. And the Star Wars prequels, as well as Indiana Jones IV are great examples of trying to remake something decades later and things looking too slick, and the old magic just not being there.
I've already went nearly frame-by-frame through this Prometheus trailer, and a lot of it doesn't look like it takes place in the Alien-verse. It looks too slick, without the gritty industrial grime that made the Nostromo such an iconic and original setting for Alien. So here we have Prometheus, a prequel set a couple to several decades before Alien, and yet at the end there is the space jockey from Alien and the biomechanical derelict ship from Alien and the Aliens director's cut. The slickness plus the elements from the original Alien just don't seem to completely jibe for me. The derelict alien ship then seems to be shot out of the sky and crashes on a planet that has what looks like normal cloud/sky and normal old mountains and even snow. This planet the ship seems to crash upon in the Prometheus trailer, looks nothing like the darkly twisted Giger designed and wind blasted planet from Alien and Aliens (Acheron/LV-426, which is actually a moon of a gas giant).
The other thing that worries me is that there was this great mystique and foreboding sense of deep time in Alien, upon the discovery of the derelict ship and its sole pilot, fossilized to some sort of navigational chair structure. It always seemed to me that the ship and the space jockey had been there for a few thousand years or maybe even much longer. It was very Lovecraftian and creepy and counter balanced the more visceral second half of Alien with the full grown creature lurking around in the Nostromo.
I don't know if I really want to know too much about what or who that space jockey fellow was, and how he (or she?) ended up dead on LV-426, only to be found eons later by the crew of the Nostromo. I worry that the answer will be less compelling than the mystery. Why is it that Jack the Ripper still fascinates people all these years later? Because we don't know for sure who Jack the Ripper was.
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12-23-2011 12:29 PM
Some great points Nektonic. This is why I love mystery, and why I despise people that don't. I love how people like J.J. Abrams uses mystery and doesn't always fully explain it, yet people complain when it goes unexplained. I'm sure if those mysteries were explained, it would only be disappointing. Nothing can ever beat your own imagination and speculation.
Am I the only one that felt underwhelmed by the trailer? Though I'm not a huge fan of Scott (though I did love Alien and at least the style of blade runner). Maybe it's because there was so much hype leading up to this trailer. They had a campaign of mini behind the scenes every day leading up to the trailer. Now looking at it, it's not really showing us very much. If anything a bunch of stills and the announcement that the movie was coming would have been just as effective as this trailer. I wanted something more. Hopefully this is just a teaser."Dialogue should simply be a sound among other sounds, just something that comes out of the mouths of people whose eyes tell the story in visual terms." - Alfred Hitchcock
12-23-2011 04:02 PM
From there, anything can be better than what they left us with: Alien Resurrection & AVP 1-2...
2) I'm sure it'll a brilliant return to the source. You can't always be 100% right on everything you make, but returning to a genre that you helped define can hardly go wrong, as you were one of those pioneers.
12-23-2011 04:10 PM
The derelict alien ship then seems to be shot out of the sky and crashes on a planet that has what looks like normal cloud/sky and normal old mountains and even snow. This planet the ship seems to crash upon in the Prometheus trailer, looks nothing like the darkly twisted Giger designed and wind blasted planet from Alien and Aliens (Acheron/LV-426, which is actually a moon of a gas giant).
I was starting to get a little worried about all the back-pedalling about Prometheus being an Alien prequel, but the trailer has enough Space Jockey goodness to reassure me that it's at least still in the same universe, and that's good enough for me.The Plinkett Equation:
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12-23-2011 04:31 PM
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Ah it's not because Im actually working myself on Prometheus, but yes i think this trailer is brillant!
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01-10-2012 09:21 PM
This was taken from something else I wrote on the trailer:
I think they could be making a big mistake by explaining the origins of the Space Jockey. That element of mystery is a big part of what makes up the "cool" of "Alien".
From what I can tell. These explorers discover this tomb in a structure of some sort (the Derelict) which crashes over somehow. It falls over. Sometime before or after that they find a chamber, sacrificial of some sort, with a giant statue tributing the human race in front of rows of some sort of capsules shaped vaguely like human torsos. Upon examining one of the capsules, an astronaut is sprayed by something which effects him somehow. They take him back to their space station and he mutates into some sort of being. They have to escort him back to the derelict, where he either transforms into the space jockey, or the space jockey puts on a suit which straps into the chair to send off the warning signal. Either way, somebody is definitely mutating and they are escorting him somewhere when they encounter something that they have to shoot at.
Something like that.
From what I can tell it looks like "Alien" all over again.
I'm hoping they're tricking us with all of this information into making us believe we know what it is, when we don't at all. Somehow, I doubt this. After seeing the typo in the leaked trailer, I don't know if I have faith in the creative behind this. I know that's a blasphemous statement with Ridley involved. The writer did "Cowboys and Aliens" which was good. So I have faith in that at least. It was no Dan O' Banon from teh 70's though.
Needless to say, I'm excited about this. I will see it in 2D, that's for sure.
One thing I think the studio executives should take in mind when debating the decision to go 3D. Is that none of the blockbusters from the past were in 3D. They made that money without it. I think 3D is a gimmick that hasn't been perfected yet. It's too dark. And if done poorly, will distract from the movie. I don't know if it's possible to make a 3D movie that doesn't distract from the subject. I have to state here, that of course "blockbuster from the past" "Avatar" was in 3D, however it was a top-of-the-bell curve McDonalds ad and doesn't apply to this genre.
Other pieces from the trailer I've interpreted:
There is going to be a Kane ala "Alien" scene in "Prometheus" where a crew member walks into a situation and has an episode of some sort. Not exactly sitting down and eating breakfast, but will interrupt an otherwise normal event with a castastrophic occurance changing the course of events. I'm talking about the scene where the girl wrapped in bandages walks in on Fasesbender talking with some other crew members (is one in a wheelchair, and is Fassbender on his knees in front of him?). I think she was in some sort of stasis for burns or something, and came out of her coma into the room.
See I'm hoping this is all meant to make us think we have the movie pinned, but I'm doubtful.
There is also a definite transformation of one of the crew members into some sort of mutated, lava zombie or something. As we can clearly see him jumping from one of the land vehicles onto the suited up space man with a flame thrower. We can also see from the "Trailers for trailers" shots of a mutated deforming human being torqued up into the air.
There's also a dust storm or something that sweeps them away at some point.
There is definitely a agiant human type person standing next to the jockey's chair/telescope/whatever the hell that thing is. It looks like the suit is locked into the chair, that he straps into or something. But we also see a space jockey skull/helmet(?) in a convener/CAT SCAN machine. So what the hell is that about? And does anyone else think that the space jockey man looks like a ghost, or transparent (maybe they were doing that to try and hide him from us)?
I mean, Jesus, guys. They are going to tell us the whole freakin' story.
Needless to say, I am excited.
Let's see what they do here, huh?
Oh! And not to mention Theron stripping down as she's running through the spaceship! What's that about, Ridley? I mean I can't say I fault you for it, but I mean IS this going to be "Alien" all over again???
Everything said aside, it's a beautifully looking film. The cinematography and color palate look beautiful, although, compared to "Alien" 1979, it looks a bit too bright.
01-11-2012 07:46 AM
Let me know when you'll have watched it!
01-11-2012 07:49 AM
have you seen the link i added in my previous post?