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    Just so you know, they're right on the edge of giving me write errors. With the "Crunchy test" I can force it if try hard, but outdoors with my "foliage of death" test, I never have a problem


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    Quote Originally Posted by evanflys View Post
    Just so you know, they're right on the edge of giving me write errors. With the "Crunchy test" I can force it if try hard, but outdoors with my "foliage of death" test, I never have a problem
    What's the "Crunchy Test"??
    I just use my version of the foliage test with some brightly colored stuff animals and pan, and/or zoom. Just the slightest zoom, caused the original V2 patch to crash in SH.
    Off to try the new settings.

    EDIT; just went out and repeated my test-same exact thing-crashes on zoom. even in 23-point auto, or manual focus-doesn't matter, still crashes in SH mode.
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    Here's the crunchy test. I put it up on my monitor, set the camera on a tripod and start filming. I push it to the limit and then review it with Cbrandin's Stream Parser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evanflys View Post
    Here's the crunchy test. I put it up on my monitor, set the camera on a tripod and start filming. I push it to the limit and then review it with Cbrandin's Stream Parser.
    Ok, thanks. I think I'm going to stick with my stuffed animals outside.
    I just tried your settings, and they crashed on me in SH. I lowered down the overall to 50, and 30 in FHD/SH, and it worked fine-no crashes.
    Now I'm going to try the 75mb patch, am going to leave fhd/sd the same-50, and change H to 35 and L to 30. I just realized that H, is still 1280/720-60P, it just drops the bit rate. and, I'm discovering that at around 35mb/second, that's it-it's done, and crashes. I cannot reliably get 40mb/sec in SH mode. I can get 30mb/sec in SH mode-but I wanna try and push it to 35mb/sec.
    I really don't need to mess with any of the other settings, as they are working fine for me. So, if 30mb/sec is all I'm going to get at 720P/60, so be it-that's still twice as good as the stock firmware.

    EDIT; Final testing-It appears that FHD/SH are linked, so you really don't want to change that from 50xxxxx. I tried setting H to 33xxxxxxx, and that worked for a little longer, but still crashed. SH crashes almost immediately upon zooming-so it's useless. Data spikes of up to 44mb/second will not work in 720/60Pmode. Even when it was set to H at 33xxxxxxx, I still saw data spikes higher than that, which caused the crash.

    So, here is what I have set now, and it is very stable in 720/60P mode; FHD/SH-leave it alone, H mode=30xxxxxx, L mode=25xxxxxxx(you can set this lower if you want-doesn't matter).
    I shoot 720P in H mode, and the data rate may spike a little over 30mb/second-but rarely, and not by much, and it will not crash.
    Even with the crunchy test. Whereas, the SH mode, will spike to 44mb/sec and crash almost immediately.
    Everything else is stable.

    I never messed with the GOP. It may still be possible for someone to figure out a higher bitrate patch, for 720/60P, but I haven't found one yet, nor have I found a whole lot of people that are even interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by havasuphoto View Post
    So, here is what I have set now, and it is very stable in 720/60P mode; FHD/SH-leave it alone, H mode=30xxxxxx, L mode=25xxxxxxx(you can set this lower if you want-doesn't matter).
    Thanks havasuphoto, for testing out the use of H mode as a moderate bitrate alternative to SH mode. In my testing, I found the reliability of 720p60 video significantly improved with H mode bitrate set as high as 46000000. However, as you discovered, it's not completely bulletproof, even when set as low as 33000000.

    Note that H mode is already set to 29000000 in the current version of the 75Mbps Peak Reliability Patch. I tweaked that setting to insure reliable recording of extended takes spanned across multiple 4GB MTS files. Since that is only a bit lower than the 30000000 setting you ended up with, other users may want to try the existing H mode patch setting first to see if it meets their needs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lpowell View Post
    Thanks havasuphoto, for testing out the use of H mode as a moderate bitrate alternative to SH mode. In my testing, I found the reliability of 720p60 video significantly improved with H mode bitrate set as high as 46000000. However, as you discovered, it's not completely bulletproof, even when set as low as 33000000.

    Note that H mode is already set to 29000000 in the current version of the 75Mbps Peak Reliability Patch. I tweaked that setting to insure reliable recording of extended takes spanned across multiple 4GB MTS files. Since that is only a bit lower than the 30000000 setting you ended up with, other users may want to try the existing H mode patch setting first to see if it meets their needs.
    You took the words right out of my mouth. leave the standard H setting alone-it's fine at 29xxxxx, so you don't need to mess with it. there is nothing to be gained by going any higher.
    I had seen peaks as high as 46mb/sec-and it didn't crash. but, I also need to experiment with the shutter speed of 1/60th. all of my crashes were at 2x frame rate, 1/125th, which apparently stressed the codec more, and causes more detail to be rendered by the codec.
    so, if I can use SH at 1/60th, in my "stuffed animal" torture test, that may work.


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    For us PAL 50p people, SH mode is much more stable than the discussion above in 60p, so don't be afraid to use the SH mode, it's 99% as reliable as the 40Mbps reliable patch.


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    The only difference between SH and H is you have different bit rates right? I always shoot in SH and have H just as a back up.

    I never shoot in FHD/1080. I need 60P. I also need 1/125 shutter for the ability to give nice propeller blur on the aircraft I film. I've been really happy with the adjustments I've made to lpowells awesome patch.

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    great patch, lpowell. it works fine for me so far. thanks a lot.
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    So, I've put the new 75Mbit v2 firmware to my GH13 and everything is great. One interesting observation however is that when I bring the footage into FCPX and I check the inspector, it reveals that the clips I have brought in are 1920x1080 at 29.97fps - not 24fps!!
    I'm pretty sure I had the latest version of Ptool and .ini file from Lpowell.
    Anyone else experience this...or maybe I'm thinking FCPX doesn't know how to read the modified files?

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