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    Just wanted to start a thread we can share info.

    I've been doing a little research and my first impressions show that there are good options out there.
    Take a look at the winning bid and the focal length range on this.
    PL mount s35 Angenieux 20-120mm f2.6 T2.9 Cinema Zoom sold for $3250
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    The flange distance is on our side and I'm sure there are other options out there. I've also been considering the now discontinued red 18-50mm f2.8 T3 which seems to be flipping for $3 to $3.5 grand. PL mount also, lacking in focal marks but still very affordable.
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    No offense here, but for $3250 you can buy a lot of excellent used Nikon glass and I bet you will have a hard time, to see the difference in the finished product.

    I shot Cooke Panchros and a set of vintage Nikon AIS 35mm glass on two RED-MX - they intercut absolute seamless - I would say if you are not after the cine features, like marks, deklicked iris and so on, itīs not worth the money.

    On the other hand...

    ..letīs face it - a real cine lens looks so much better on your camera.
    I have to confess, I was tempted to go that route. Not for the look of the footage, but for the look of the camera.
    Yeah, stupid, I know. But the sheer size compared to a 35mm lens.. I guess itīs a male thing ;-)

    It`s like huge matte boxes - they impress clients and actors and make you look so much more professional.
    Simple psychology - but it works.


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    The Angie is a great lens - IMO more cinematic than the Red. With antique Angies, a lot depends on the year they're from (coatings/mechanics etc) but the one I have has such a silky smooth manual zoom.

    The older Red (18-50mm) rather than the newer 17-50mm was also rehoused and sold under the Digioptical brand (a few DVXUsers grabbed 'em for their AF100s).

    It's intersting to see PL interest start to peak again (as it did with the AF100) - I've seen PL glass start moving on Ebay again.

    Of course, now a certain Mr Bloom is also buying into lots of PL (New Zeiss, PL mod Tokina, Red zooms and antique stuff) a lot more ops will start to look at PL as an option.

    Advantages with antique glass certainily is the look (without dialing in much correction) - disadvantage (certainly in terms of cinema zooms!) is the weight of the lens and the fact that you're rigging more of a conventional set up (rails/supports etc) so it's moving into more expensive support options (you simply won't get quality lens supports that are cheap etc) - and there's no way you'd use an Angie without decent support (for any length of time!).

    Lomo's are another good option - they're not just Sqaurefront/Roundfront anamorphic - but have some really nice sphericals (with great colour rendition). Normally these will be OCT-19 and you'll mod to PL (avoid the cheaper OCT-18 variants if you're working with a crew, as they're too small to put arri pitch focus gears on).

    Personally, I like cinema zooms... they were workhorses in their time and some DP's swore by them (whilst others used primes).

    Other zooms to look at would be the Cookes - 20-120 being the cheaper variation (older Varotal) or the newer 18-120 Cooke. Or, if you're brave and can handle the weight (!) something like the Cooke 25-250.

    Obviously, quality cinema zooms retain focus when zooming - but, if you're used to electronic lenses, the fully manual nature of the 'old school' can sometimes be daunting for users.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Postmaster View Post
    I shot Cooke Panchros and a set of vintage Nikon AIS 35mm glass on two RED-MX -
    Old 60's or new 2010's?

    If cinematography wasn't infinite, I'm sure I would have found the end by now.


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    Ryan, do you have some sort of widget that pops up when someone mentions Panchros here?

    The older ones.

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    @Postmaster ... Thanks but I'm an AIs addict (link, link, link) and I've been all over that for a few yrs now. Since gh1 shipped 2 yrs ago.

    As far as cine glass goes I'm very interested in wide zooms with 17 thru 50 being my main focus because I crop to 1:2.39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Postmaster View Post
    Ryan, do you have some sort of widget that pops up when someone mentions Panchros here?

    The older ones.

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    some good info: been reading Timurs blog
    http://timurcivan.blogspot.com/2011/...of-lenses.html
    and related ru thread
    http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?57153
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    Digi Optical 18-50mm PL mount cine zoom with i data for $4000 new at B&H
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search...tialSearch=yes
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    Gathering info on the red cine zoom 18-50mm f2.8 T3, the close focus is nice, this is like having a macro

    Focal Length Range: 18-50mm
    T Stop Range: T3 – T22
    Maximum f Stop: f/2.8
    Close Focus from Lens Front: 1.73 inches
    Length from Front of Lens to Image Plane: 6.16 inches
    Minimum Marked Object Distance: 8 inches
    Maximum Format Covered: Super 35mm
    Diagonal Angle of View for 30mm Image Circle: 75.72 – 31.27 degrees
    Iris Scales: Two opposing scales, whole stops marked
    Angular Rotation of Iris: 48 degrees
    Iris Drive Gear: 116 teeth 0.8 metric module x 0.2 inches wide x 2.91 inches from image plane
    Focus Scales: Two opposing scales, footage marked from infinity to MOD
    Angular Rotation from Infinity to MOD End-stop: 175 degrees
    Angular Rotation Between End-stops: 180 degrees
    Focus Drive Gear: 128 teeth, 0.8 metric module x 0.2 inches wide x 4.37 inches from image plane
    Zoom Scales: Two opposing zoom scales
    Angular Rotation of Zoom Scales: 51 degrees
    Zoom Drive Gear: 125 teeth, 0.8 metric module x 0.2 inches wide x 3.59 inches from image plane
    Length from Front of Lens to Lens Mount: 4.12 inches
    Front Diameter: 4.5 inches (114mm)
    Weight: 1.05 kg / 2.3 lbs.
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