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    DVFilm Epic I - Realtime DSLR editing in Vegas 9 Pro
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    Hey everyone,

    DVFilm is proud to announce a new software called DVFilm Epic I that allows realtime editing for Canon DSLR filmmakers in Sony Vegas 9 Pro. No transcoding, no replacing files, no need for a super fast computer.

    It works by generating proxies in the background when you drag a H.264 file to the Vegas timeline. You can select to instantly switch between the original h.264 files and the proxies. You can generate full, half or quarter resolution proxies for however fast your computer is.

    There's 10 bit YUV mode so you can export with fewer banding artifacts.

    And another good thing...it's only $45!

    Check it out here at http://dvfilm.com/epic/index.htm

    Try out the demo here: Epic I Demo

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    The real root of the problem in Vegas is that it doesn't have great Quicktime support (and this is a known fact, known to Sony as well). On moderately complex projects it crashes when it has to use Quicktime to decode MOV h.264 files. So while your proxy method *will work* for the duration of editing just fine, when the user is about to export the final video -- where the original MOV files are used again via Quicktime -- one should expect more crashes than usual.

    I've written a (manual) proxy tutorial myself, but for the dSLR workflow I highly recommend the intermediate format method: Cineform, or Avid DNxHD. They just work more stably than the proxy method because from the moment you transcode, you don't use these MOV files ever again.

    A better way to attack the root of the problem (apart from begging Sony to fix their QT support), would be to actually create a CUDA-enabled h.264 decoder and take over the Quicktime/MainConcept decoding job on Vegas (another company has already implemented that, but it doesn't work properly or on all Vegas versions).

    But anyway, good luck with the product. I hope it offers a good solution to people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenia Loli-Queru View Post
    The real root of the problem in Vegas is that it doesn't have great Quicktime support (and this is a known fact, known to Sony as well).
    QT support in Vegas is as bad as any NLE. Makes it hard to pass QT files back and forth.


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    Hey everyone,

    I always felt the problem with H.264 in NLE's was playback speed and lack of realtime. The couple NLE's that can or soon will be able playback h.264 in realtime most likely use hardware acceleration which usually requires addition cost for a specific graphics card.

    Epic offers a cheap alternative.

    Some of the benefits are:

    1. It will work on slower computers or laptops. Once you have enough of Cineform and Avid clips, most NLE's will bog down.
    2. Uses less space with 1/4 proxy size coming out to about half the size of the original h.264 file. The 1/2 proxy is about the same size as the original h.264 and the full proxy size is about twice the size of the original h.264. Avid is about 4x and Cineform is about 3.5x larger.
    3. Cheaper than Cineform. MpegStreamclip is free, but most people will transcode to Avid QT codec which can work for some people but not all if their computers can't handle those big files.
    4. The proxies are made automatically in the background. While they are being made, you can start editing the clips you have on the timeline.

    Neoscene (Cineform) and MpegStreamclip are good programs and I have used both. With Epic I you need less cpu power, less harddrive space, and it's a plugin that works directly in Vegas 9 so you can edit right away. It may not be for everyone's workflow, but it gives a good alternative to transcoding.

    I encourage trying out the demo to see if it helps with your workflow.

    We appreciate all the feedback and questions. We definitely will listen to suggestions and try to keep offering good software solutions to filmmakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenia Loli-Queru View Post
    The real root of the problem in Vegas is that it doesn't have great Quicktime support (and this is a known fact, known to Sony as well). On moderately complex projects it crashes when it has to use Quicktime to decode MOV h.264 files. So while your proxy method *will work* for the duration of editing just fine, when the user is about to export the final video -- where the original MOV files are used again via Quicktime -- one should expect more crashes than usual.
    Epic REPLACES the vegas quicktime plugin and provides reliable support with no crashes. There are several design features in Epic that make that possible. We can provide more details.

    Here for example is a Vegas project with 500 unique DSLR quicktime files (see attached jpeg).

    You can scrub and render from full quality with no problems. This is on a cheap Dell with 2GB of memory. We will provide more details of our testing soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvb View Post
    Epic REPLACES the vegas quicktime plugin and provides reliable support with no crashes. There are several design features in Epic that make that possible. We can provide more details.

    Here for example is a Vegas project with 500 unique DSLR quicktime files (see attached jpeg).

    You can scrub and render from full quality with no problems. This is on a cheap Dell with 2GB of memory. We will provide more details of our testing soon.
    1) So does this mean if I just wanted to edit the original MOV files on a fast enough PC and not worry about generating proxies your Epic's QT plug in will make Vegas happy happy!?

    2) What are the processor specs on the Dell you mentioned?

    Also in your example it just looks like clips placed back to back on a timeline without any transitions, layering or effects... Vegas usually crashes on rendering for me during the parts that require heavy processing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakesh Jacob View Post
    1) So does this mean if I just wanted to edit the original MOV files on a fast enough PC and not worry about generating proxies your Epic's QT plug in will make Vegas happy happy!?
    Yes; however it's doubtful that an affordable PC could do dissolves or other transitions in real time without the proxies.

    2) What are the processor specs on the Dell you mentioned?
    2Ghz core 2 duo

    Also in your example it just looks like clips placed back to back on a timeline without any transitions, layering or effects... Vegas usually crashes on rendering for me during the parts that require heavy processing.
    It won't matter with Epic due to the way the plugin is designed, it forces all the rendering through a common memory and interface, totally regardless of layering. We did a test with 400 clips, half of them on an upper layer with 50% opacity (essentially every frame is a dissolve) and it had no effect on stability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvb View Post
    Yes; however it's doubtful that an affordable PC could do dissolves or other transitions in real time without the proxies.



    2Ghz core 2 duo



    It won't matter with Epic due to the way the plugin is designed, it forces all the rendering through a common memory and interface, totally regardless of layering. We did a test with 400 clips, half of them on an upper layer with 50% opacity (essentially every frame is a dissolve) and it had no effect on stability.
    Awesome, looks very promising, will give it a shot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvb View Post
    Epic REPLACES the vegas quicktime plugin and provides reliable support with no crashes. There are several design features in Epic that make that possible. We can provide more details.
    I'm going to try this, but if it is true it's worth it for no crashes alone.


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    Someone please let me know how this works out. Ive had two projects die on me due to crashing. If this is the answer to my problems I will be forever grateful. I would try the demo but I deleted this original files after transcoding with streamclip. Unless this program works with streamclip files???


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