you don't think discussions would occur after the comments are revealed and the votes are cast?
Thread: Scriptfest guidelines
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08-22-2008 07:10 PM
08-22-2008 07:19 PM
I'm with Krestofre on this one. At the stage the scriptfests are at right now with mainly increased knowledge, practice and skill as the prizes, the immediate feedback on submissions is great. I pretty much made my own comments without reading others' posts and not once did I change the way I rated a script based on someone else's comment on it.
If there were a set panel of judges, instead of voting by peers, I would say hold comments til after. But this is like a roundtable critique process, and its helpful to keep it as it is.
08-22-2008 07:24 PM
Judging from other fests I've been a part of, it seems that commenting generally stops after the announcement of winners.
I think that although reading comments can influence voting, it's better than not receiving any comments at all.
08-22-2008 07:28 PM
I agree with what Thartley and Jason said.Chris Johnson
08-22-2008 07:50 PM
I never changed my vote because of comments, but I did change my comments because of other comments.
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08-22-2008 09:18 PM
your fervor for these "rules" is even more ridiculous when you consider how much passive voice is in your entry...the excision of which is another BIG RULE (that we are apparently bound by writer law to comply with until we receive our get-out-of-jail-free WGA card)...that all the how-to books twist themselves in knots over.
in any case, i agree that you should keep any such devices to a minimum but that's about the extent of it.
the only rule anyone is bound by is to tell a great story and even that's debatable considering the schlock released in theaters every week.
sorry to bust your bubble.
08-22-2008 09:25 PM
From the scripts I've read here and elsewhere, I have found that those that are written in a particular format are much easier for me to read. Any camera direction takes me out of the story when I am reading a script "for the story". Just as the use of "We" and other pronouns do in the descriptions. Makes me feel I am being talked at instead of just being in the story.
Alot of the formatting things, I am just learning. But in the process of trying to get a handle on technique for this fest, as a newbie but frequent reader of many types of writing, those things I mentioned bother me.
One thing I don't understand is why scene numbers are wrong. I can't remember if I used them in my submission or not, because I had them and then took them out, but may have added them again because they were helpful to me in my re-writes and revisions. But what's the deal with using vs not using them?
08-23-2008 08:23 AM
I can't even begin to make suggestions about formatting because I am new to script writing, but, as someone who is new, guidelines for formatting would have been very much appreciated. I'm sure people judged my script based on my formatting errors, but those errors wouldn't have been there if I had something to go on other than just six pages. So I am glad we are going to be more clear about what's expected in the future.
I would also like to say that, based on the comments in nearly every single thread, six pages seems to be too short. I'm not even just saying that for me. If I had to tell a story in six pages, I would find a way to do it no matter what the guidelines, but when the page limit becomes the reason why nearly every script isn't as good as it could have been, that seems easily fixable. Just a thought...
08-23-2008 01:06 PM
There are plenty of ways to avoid "WE," and those techniques should be employed at all times. That being said, the term (in my opinion) refers to the writer and the people reading/viewing, so it DOES make sense in that respect but I think it is a slippery slope where directions are concerned. Don't use camera directions, people will murder you.
Also, I think some of those things are a bit petty:
Fade in/fade out or cut to: I don't see the problem with these phrases. I mean, if you refrain to buy more page room, fine, but I don't think there should be a rule prohibiting the use of them.
How they hell can we measure font size? Should I get out my fancy Pixel Ruler? (By the way, that is trademarked by me, so don't use it! ) My point is, what's the big deal about .5? When there is a page limit and you are one or two lines over, I don't see an issue here. I have done it numerous times on school papers, etc (never on scripts, because I use the standard format in the program)- Nick | My DVXuser Blog (This is a secret message).