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PDX_DVX
05-31-2007, 10:53 AM
THE ROBIN

A technical specialist faces off with his gun wielding arch nemesis. In the world of espionage, ruthlessness is just another word for clarity.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2116/1180640202.jpg



http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2116/1180640258.jpg

We just submitted our film, feels good to have it done! BTS material to come.

Ken K
05-31-2007, 10:57 AM
Sounds intriguing!

PDX_DVX
05-31-2007, 11:03 AM
Go Portland!

Ken K
05-31-2007, 01:26 PM
Portland represent!

Looks cool Patrick! Can't wait to see your magical DP touch. :D

PDX_DVX
05-31-2007, 01:43 PM
Thanks! It was a ton of fun doing this project with everyone that was involved. Got it all shot in two days, with about 2 hours of extra shooting outside of those days. Maybe you'll recognize some of the locations?

cinealma
05-31-2007, 01:45 PM
I like the poster and the grab. Looks like a good one! Just from all the threads, it really looks like it's going be a nice bunch of films this go-around.

500Cuts
05-31-2007, 03:02 PM
Note to everybody in the Portland/Vancouver area... take advantage of Patrick before he wises up and starts charging people 5 grand a day. The guy has chops!

235 Studios
06-01-2007, 04:25 PM
Congrats Patrick- I'm looking forward to seeing the final product. I enjoyed hanging out on set- this should be a good film. :)

500Cuts
06-01-2007, 08:23 PM
http://500cuts.com/images/garage-gs1.jpg

Even movie guns are loud. This is our little garage greenscreen setup.

http://500cuts.com/images/street-gs1.jpg

Here we are in the street for some natural light.

500Cuts
06-01-2007, 08:30 PM
http://500cuts.com/images/karl-csi.jpg

Here's the shot actually in the movie.

http://500cuts.com/images/karl-aftercsi.jpg

Not so psyched about the syrup in the hair.

http://500cuts.com/images/karl-wethead.jpg

Nothing a garden hose can't fix.

Shawn Philip Nelson
06-01-2007, 08:58 PM
Hey 500 Cuts...who are you?

cinealma
06-01-2007, 11:51 PM
http://500cuts.com/images/garage-gs1.jpg

Even movie guns are loud. This is our little garage greenscreen setup.

http://500cuts.com/images/street-gs1.jpg

Here we are in the street for some natural light.
Hey! Indie filmmaking at its finest! Stuff like this should inspire anybody who wants to go out and make films just to get off your ass and do it. Hats off to you!

I look forward to watching your film, guys.

PDX_DVX
06-02-2007, 06:51 AM
Hey, thanks for the good words. Tim Smale, our resident gun/blood guy helped us out a lot. He had just gotten some new weaponry, and we got to use it on this shoot. He also does really great compressed air squibs. Check him out at:
http://www.pdxbloodfx.com/

PDX_DVX
06-02-2007, 08:46 AM
Hey 500 Cuts...who are you?

That's Co, the creative mind and shepherd behind 500cuts. He wrote "The Robin" and did a lot of the leg work in getting things going/done...thanks Co! Jason our director also has a profile somewhere on here, but I'm not sure what his username is. Talented individuals indeed!

Elton
06-02-2007, 08:51 AM
Lovin' this PDX contingent in the fest. Makes me a little homesick.

Lookin' forward to the product. Good luck in the fest!

500Cuts
06-02-2007, 09:03 AM
Hey 500 Cuts...who are you?

Ha, yeah, I'm new here. My name is Co. I write stuff.

Who are you?

PDX_DVX
06-02-2007, 09:05 AM
Portland definitely has some great film makers, and also some GREAT animators. It's tough to make it look like a gritty, dirty, unhappy city though because it's so pretty.

500Cuts
06-02-2007, 09:05 AM
Lovin' this PDX contingent in the fest. Makes me a little homesick.


Hey, are you from Portland? Crazy. Why'd you move?

235 Studios
06-02-2007, 09:29 AM
Ha, yeah, I'm new here. My name is Co. I write stuff.


LOL, I thought that might be you. Thanks again for the great food while on set. I enjoyed hanging out.

PDX_DVX
06-02-2007, 09:35 AM
Yeah, the food was awesome. There must still be about 40 pounds of M&M's left.....

Elton
06-02-2007, 09:44 AM
Portland definitely has some great film makers, and also some GREAT animators. It's tough to make it look like a gritty, dirty, unhappy city though because it's so pretty.

Yes, an utterly gorgeous city. So picturesque and friendly, and yet moody because of the weather the majority of the year. Lots of different looks too. Great place to be an indie.

I was born and raised in the suburbs, (Lake Oswego) but I gravitated to living near dowtown. (yeah, NW, close to Cinema 21) Really enjoyed living there.

I moved to SoCal in the '90's and then eventually ended up in Utah due to my wife. :) And btw, in case you hadn't noticed from my avatar, I'm a bit of a Blazer fan too. (Rip City is back--#1 pick!! Oden!!!!)

Shawn Philip Nelson
06-02-2007, 12:40 PM
Co? Sounds like "K-Oh"? Never heard of ya. I'm Shawn Nelson. I've been an indie filmmaker in the PDX area for about 4 years now. Before too long I'm going to try to get together a PDX DVXUser gathering, you should come.

Shawn Philip Nelson
06-02-2007, 12:43 PM
Hey, thanks for the good words. Tim Smale, our resident gun/blood guy helped us out a lot. He had just gotten some new weaponry, and we got to use it on this shoot. He also does really great compressed air squibs. Check him out at:
http://www.pdxbloodfx.com/

Oh sweet, I need to meet him! I own 5 of those guns as well! I've long wanted to see a good c02 squib. I designed one myself a couple of years ago but never had the project where I needed to implement it.

500Cuts
06-02-2007, 12:44 PM
I was born and raised in the suburbs, (Lake Oswego) but I gravitated to living near dowtown. (yeah, NW, close to Cinema 21) Really enjoyed living there.

Funny. I lived on NW 23rd and Northrup from '95-'99. Used to walk to Cinema 21 every Tuesday (cheap night). Now I live in SE and my buddy owns the Clinton Street Theater. So I hang out there on occasion. It's a good place to be.

Sorry to hear about BOP. Do you have other films I can check out?

Co.

Elton
06-02-2007, 01:14 PM
Cool, I hear SE has become the new NW. :) Hopefully it hasn't been gentrified quite that much yet, but I guess I'll have to see this summer. Gonna visit some fam back there soon.

Wow, just checked out the Clinton St. theater website and they have a Portland Underground Film Festival. Excellent! Are you participating?

btw, don't have many films to showcase at the moment. I have some stuff from *cough cough* film school, but that was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. Back when we used light sabres (film!) instead of this pseudo-organic cine-like digital whatever stuff.

Again, good luck in the fest!

500Cuts
06-02-2007, 01:29 PM
I don't have anything in the PUFF this year, but have shown films at the CST in the past. Seth (the owner) is a great guy and is really cool about renting out the theater for small/one day event screenings.

And I know what you mean... I have stacks of 16mm films I made way back when. Those were the days! Drop me an e-mail when you find yourself in town. And bring some of those old film school masterpieces. We'll throw them up on the screen and have a 16mm minifest!!

500Cuts
06-02-2007, 01:53 PM
Co? Sounds like "K-Oh"? Never heard of ya. I'm Shawn Nelson. I've been an indie filmmaker in the PDX area for about 4 years now. Before too long I'm going to try to get together a PDX DVXUser gathering, you should come.

Thanks for the invite. Yeah, I've been under the RADAR because I've been swamped with work stuff. Nobody has heard of me. Do you know Todd Freeman, Doug Baum, Jason Sabala, James Westby, or David Walker? Those are some of my filmmaking cohorts in town. Sabala used to own "Sabala's" on Hawthorne, but it just closed. Walker was the film critic for the Willy Week until just recently. Westby just finished his sixth feature.

Anyway, I haven't had a minute to turn around since 2002. So now that my head is back above the weeds, I'm going to be in production more often.

What have you been making? Shorts? Features? Is the work posted anywhere I could check it out?

500Cuts
06-02-2007, 02:34 PM
LOL, I thought that might be you. Thanks again for the great food while on set. I enjoyed hanging out.

It was good having you. Egg salad and M&M's on me anytime!!

Norm Sanders
06-03-2007, 04:18 PM
Love the BTS, and looking forward to seeing another film DP'd by Patrick! Man, I don't know ANY of the PDX folks apparently, though I've kind of known that for a while. It's really only because of DVXuser that I've started to get to know more ...

If it wasn't for DVXuser, I never would have made a short in the first place (or at least not anytime soon). Then I connected with Ryan Walters (235 Studios), from there via Ryan was Patrick (PDX_DVX), through Ryan was also Shawn Nelson (shawneous), and the list goes on ...

Oh, and Craigs List ... gotta love that one. :)

Keystoned
06-03-2007, 11:18 PM
There is a lot going on the grab in the first post. Definately making me want to know the story. Also digging your geurilla pickup shot and green screen tactics. Looking forward to seeing it in the A.M. :beer:

Dahopafilms
06-04-2007, 02:10 PM
OK - this was awesome.

Held me beginning to end. Fantastic.

In no particular order:

The VO. Loved the voice, man. Ab-so-lutel-ly perfect. Nicely recorded. Great tone. Great accent.
Editing. Really, really great, in my opinion. Nice effects. Not over-used. Served the story. Nice.
B&W intercuts. Loved them.
The writing. This is one of those pieces that inspires. Tight. To the point. The writer has chops, man. Very, very nice job.
The music was right on. Nicely done.
Cinematography. There's a lot going on here - but it all serves the story. Nothing is there to simply be there. I'd like to hear more about the equipment you used and your dolly shots. Really beautiful job. Not one of those things you can pull off in an afternoon.

And frankly, I have no negatives on this one.

This one grabs and holds.

Really, really nice job.

Bravo.

Dustin R. Rogan
06-04-2007, 02:31 PM
Probably my favorite thus far! EXCELLENTO!!!

wesley
06-04-2007, 03:50 PM
great visual style, this is also one of my 6 favs. story didn't really play out that well. i do like the fact that he'd only go out in fair weather haha

PDX_DVX
06-04-2007, 07:52 PM
OK - this was awesome.

Held me beginning to end. Fantastic.

In no particular order:
The VO. Loved the voice, man. Ab-so-lutel-ly perfect. Nicely recorded. Great tone. Great accent.
Editing. Really, really great, in my opinion. Nice effects. Not over-used. Served the story. Nice.
B&W intercuts. Loved them.
The writing. This is one of those pieces that inspires. Tight. To the point. The writer has chops, man. Very, very nice job.
The music was right on. Nicely done.
Cinematography. There's a lot going on here - but it all serves the story. Nothing is there to simply be there. I'd like to hear more about the equipment you used and your dolly shots. Really beautiful job. Not one of those things you can pull off in an afternoon.And frankly, I have no negatives on this one.

This one grabs and holds.

Really, really nice job.

Bravo.

Thanks a lot for the good words! Co O'neill is our writer, and he also edited and did the sound design for our film. He's definitely very talented in all of those aspects, and he has worked in the industry for longer than I have even known how to use a camera. As for our gear, we had a suprisingly small setup/crew. We pretty much just had a DVX100A, equipped with a chrosziel matte box and follow focus, and on the exteriors we used a .9ND and a circular polarizer in the matte box, which were both schneider brand filters. Interior we pretty much stuck with the naked lens, and kept it stopped down around 2.8-5.6. Our lighting setup was pretty mild, we used a lot of the existing light in the garage, and brought in a 650 fresnel with a 1/4 blue gel, to sort of match the warmish light that was coming in through the colored glass. Outside the window we had a smaller 300 fresnel coming through, with some wood slats to break up the light. Also, we had a magnifying lamp that was turned on to provide a little light for the desk, and to finish it off we had a small 25 watt practical hanging overhead, dimmed to about 75% to add some sickly warmth to the scene. We used the daylight white balance preset in the camera, and I would have to look up our specific scene file settings. We shot pretty flat, and added contrast in post. As for our dolly, we used a skate wheel dolly which ran on PVC track for all of the dolly shots. Sometimes I would ride while operating the camera, other times not. It's a very quick and efficient way to pull off nice looking dolly shots, and I highly recommend it! Lastly, we used a century optics 1.6 teleconverter for a lot of the far off long shots, such as the cemetary and the playground. Thanks for watching everyone!

JOE BLO
06-04-2007, 10:27 PM
I liked this one. Thde best use of Voice OVer. I loved the editing and cinematography too.

500Cuts
06-05-2007, 08:47 AM
Our lighting setup was pretty mild, we used a lot of the existing light in the garage, and brought in a 650 fresnel with a 1/4 blue gel, to sort of match the warmish light that was coming in through the colored glass. Outside the window we had a smaller 300 fresnel coming through, with some wood slats to break up the light.

Patrick also used a smoke machine in the garage, but the cc process removed the diffusion the smoke gave. It made the light rays more visible, though. Overall, Pat is amazingly decisive for someone his age (or any age) and more importantly, he has zero attitude... which is woefully rare in an industry full of arrogant know-it-alls. And I'm not just saying that because he said I was talented!

Thanks for all the comments! It was a lot of fun to make. We're actually talking about making it a trilogy, just for kicks.

500Cuts
06-05-2007, 08:57 AM
I liked this one. Thde best use of Voice OVer. I loved the editing and cinematography too.

Thanks a lot! Nick Childs, the actor (both onscreen and VO), has a great voice. Apparently, his dad is a V.O. professional in Boston... guess it runs in the family.

Nick is a producer at the animation company Laika (Corpse Bride, Coraline), but he's a talented filmmaker in his own right. If you search YouTube for Muledick, you can check out one of his early short films.

Michael Anthony Horrigan
06-05-2007, 09:16 AM
I liked this one as well. How did you do the smoke effect when he blew up the first garage? I liked the look of it.

The only gripe I had was that his "target" didn't seem all that threatening. I mean, he made Robin when he took a picture of him and let him walk away, back turned no less. Maybe it would have been cool to have a shot lead on to the street and have him disappear behind a bus or something?

Just a nit-pick though, this short was top notch!

Loved it.

Mike

500Cuts
06-05-2007, 10:33 AM
I liked this one as well. How did you do the smoke effect when he blew up the first garage? I liked the look of it.

The only gripe I had was that his "target" didn't seem all that threatening. I mean, he made Robin when he took a picture of him and let him walk away, back turned no less. Maybe it would have been cool to have a shot lead on to the street and have him disappear behind a bus or something?

Just a nit-pick though, this short was top notch!

Loved it.

Mike

Hey thanks. Glad you liked it. The smoke was a composite done in Combustion by Loren Judah, a 20 year-old prodigy who works for Bent Image Labs (a commercial animation house here in Portland). I think he had some smoke elements already rendered in his library so all he had to do was track them into the shot I sent him. I told him not to spend more than a couple hours on it because he's a super busy guy and I didn't want him to hate us after all was said and done. He's a genius.

As far as the target not being a threat, that was kinda the point... though it may be too subtle. The idea is that the guy we're following is the bad guy, but we don't realize that until the end. "Jackson" has no vendetta against The Robin, but the Robin can't work while Jackson is out there. So he has to take steps. In short, Jackson keeps it business and The Robin takes it personally.

Or something.

Co.

Michael Anthony Horrigan
06-05-2007, 10:39 AM
I guess it was just that you previously acknowledged that if you came across Jackson, you ended up dead.

It seemed that when Robin came across him, Robin fumbled with his bag (after being "made") and simply walked away.

Maybe I missed something. Wouldn't be the first time. :)

Overall though... I really liked this one. Voting is going to be tough!

Mike

Hootzie
06-05-2007, 12:00 PM
Rockin movie! Great concept, great acting and great execution. Felt complete!

chris f
06-05-2007, 12:29 PM
Standard Disclaimer: I've yet to see a bad film so far in this fest. Congratulations to every film maker, everyone did a great job. All my comments and criticisms are meant to be constructive and helpful and in no way am I trying to take anything away from what you accomplished.

Good: Interior shots looked great as well as the camera POV and the photos. Intro was great. Really liked the composite of the smoke on the exterior walking shot.

Not as Good: What was the ending? The guy has a family, but what happens to him? Didn't like that the whole film was voice over. The graveyard exterior shots didn't have the same high production quality as the interiors.

PDX_DVX
06-05-2007, 05:53 PM
Thanks for all the comments. Chris_f, I just watched your film, and I really enjoyed it. I thought it was shot extremely well, and the story came through nicely. It reminded me of Syriana a lot. Good work!

Dr.Cyclops
06-05-2007, 08:41 PM
Nice work gentlemen. Now if you could just work some boobs in there...

Shawn Philip Nelson
06-06-2007, 12:27 AM
Wow! Amazing gents, truly. The story was good, the acting solid, but the cinematography was outstanding! Possibly the best of the fest.

The ending of the movie felt incomplete, I'd love to see a version that had even the slightest bit of resolution.

But in all, amazing stuff here.

ripupthehwy
06-06-2007, 05:33 AM
Yeah I too just didn't get it..at all. Maybe I'm just too dense. lol

Nice shots though.

500Cuts
06-06-2007, 08:46 AM
Yeah I too just didn't get it..at all. Maybe I'm just too dense. lol

Nice shots though.

Hah! Maybe the tagline should be: "The Robin: The teddy bear is a bomb."

Would that help? :cheesy:

Thanks for watching!

Co.

Michael Anthony Horrigan
06-06-2007, 08:58 AM
Hah! Maybe the tagline should be: "The Robin: The teddy bear is a bomb."

Would that help? :cheesy:

Thanks for watching!

Co.

LOL! I almost spit Coke all over my laptop after that one. :D

PDX_DVX
06-07-2007, 01:52 PM
Patrick also used a smoke machine in the garage, but the cc process removed the diffusion the smoke gave. It made the light rays more visible, though.

Thanks for reminding me. I have really become a fan of adding smoke to rooms, especially when there is light coming through windows and such. I find that it diffuses things just a bit, and gives it less of a hard line digital look. As for the color correction, it was completed in Premiere pro 2, with the use of one, or a combination of the RGB color corrector, Luma corrector, and fast color corrector. We shot pretty flat, and then added the contrast in later. Also, our settings were pretty neutral, except for some detail adjustments which helped reduce noise. I also stuck with the white balance presets. For the intro garage scenes I was on the daylight preset.

500Cuts
06-07-2007, 02:54 PM
Hey Patrick, Do you want to mention anything about that crazy ND?

PDX_DVX
06-07-2007, 04:34 PM
http://www.patricklavalley.com/robin/shop_before.jpg
Before

http://www.patricklavalley.com/robin/shop_after.jpg
After

http://www.patricklavalley.com/robin/cat_before.jpg
Before

http://www.patricklavalley.com/robin/cat_after.jpg
After

http://www.patricklavalley.com/robin/face_before.jpg
Before

http://www.patricklavalley.com/robin/face_after.jpg
After

http://www.patricklavalley.com/robin/smoke_before.jpg
Before

http://www.patricklavalley.com/robin/smoke_after.jpg
After

PDX_DVX
06-07-2007, 10:52 PM
updated with before/afters

Dr.Cyclops
06-07-2007, 11:05 PM
Is that the before and after post?

Shawn Philip Nelson
06-07-2007, 11:23 PM
Sweet! I likey. Who did the post colorizing? Was that you Patrick?

PDX_DVX
06-07-2007, 11:34 PM
Hey Shawn, how's the voice? I did indeed do the color correction. I used the color correction filters that are built into Premiere pro, and pretty much just timed them according to what my vision for the final shots were. I then sent them over to Co, who made suggestions, and then we tweaked them from there. The before and afters that you see above are refering to the before coming straight from the camera, and the after being after the color correction- as you can see in the last set of stills, our smoke comp is in there, and so this was corrected after we got the shot from our compositor Loren Judah. As you can see, we shot the footage pretty flat and pretty warm to give us the most to play with in post. I have found that it is easier to cool footage in post than to warm it up. Thanks for the comments, keep em' coming. In the near future I'll post up some comparison shots of a weird filter anomoly that we had in relation to the grey camera bag. Thanks!

cinealma
06-08-2007, 10:31 AM
Best of the fest... until you killed the little boy.

One of my favorites. For the first 30 seconds, I thought the VO was going to kill it for me, but then it kicked in and played like a James Ellroy piece. VO dialogue meshed with the cuts well and really kept it moving.

But the kid thing bothered me. Suggestion would be good. Actually showing it, not so good. Yes, you went to black and didn't show little arms and legs all over the place, but it was close enough. I have children so maybe it's just me personally.

I think it would have been a lot more effective if you would have ended the film on the pan to the teddy bear on the workbench. Then you're kind of hinting at what's to come. A LOT more powerful and I think would work better for the film. DISTURBING. Disturbing is good. Bothersome is not. I liked this guy. I want to still like him at the end... somewhat.

Just my opinion.


Fantastic job. Thanks for screening.

500Cuts
06-08-2007, 10:57 AM
Best of the fest... until you killed the little boy.




The idea is that you think you're following a good guy until you find out you're not. In fact, Nick, the guy playing the Robin, was sensitive about the ending as well. I told him to imagine that he's installing a self-extracting storm tent in the bear to protect the boy from the lightning. :laugh:

But yeah, don't imagine child parts all over the playground. It didn't go down that way. We're sensitive people! The whole idea is that this is a cliffhanger. You're like "Oh no! Not Jackson and his son!" But in the next episode, we see Jackson detect the bomb and chuck it. The Robin was too confident and left the scene before witnessing the actual carnage. The next episode is from Jackson's perspective. I have six parts written out.

Then again, half the people who watch it don't get the ending, so they're not disturbed. So to sum up... I'm glad you understood the ending, but I'm sorry it ruined the movie for you. I was thinking about putting a "The End... or is it?" kind of thing at the end, but it kinda made the movie too whimsical, and made the ending less concrete... which it isn't anyway, but the audience isn't supposed to know that, yet. You know?

Thanks for the feedback.
Co.

cinealma
06-08-2007, 11:13 AM
Cool. Then I will look forward to the continuing saga! :thumbsup:

Was there an explosion sound when you cut to black? That's pretty definite. And the editing, the music, kind of builds it to a point where something definite could happen. The explosion makes me feel like the kid is dead. I think the cliffhanger might play better, if you want to take it all the way to the point you did, if you cut to black without the explosion.

CUT TO BLACK - EXPLOSION - "Oh no, he killed the kid, what a fucking asshole!" doesn't really spell cliffhanger for me. Will I tune in next week? Don't know. Kind of ended in a real bummer.

"Oh shit! He's going to kill a kid!" - CUT TO BLACK - NO EXPLOSION - "Or will he?" That's a cliffhanger. And I'm on pins and needles until I see the next episode. And I HAVE to tune in!


Anyway, that's just what would work for me.

I like the concept as a series, and I REALLY like the fact that the first person you latch onto is NOT the hero. As a viewer, you've been duped, BUT IN A COOL FUCKING WAY!

500Cuts
06-08-2007, 01:32 PM
"Oh shi*! He's going to kill a kid!" - CUT TO BLACK - NO EXPLOSION - "Or will he?" That's a cliffhanger. And I'm on pins and needles until I see the next episode. And I HAVE to tune in!




I totally see what you're saying, but I also like those old 50's serials where the truck drives off the ridge and explodes. Or you see his hand slip and hear the final cry (or see the freeze frame!). Then you're like "He's gone for sure!" But next episode, they kinda cheat and show you that he jumped clear before the truck went off the ridge, or he grabs a branch that was right below him.

Maybe putting Milo (young Jackson) in there is so distressing that people can't get the image of the innocent child out of their heads when the explosion happens. The implications are too dire! But that's my point! The explosion happens in the black so we don't know what happened. When the next episode begins, the first scene is Jackson dodging the bullet in bear-bomb form. Right?

Anyway, just explaining a little bit of where I'm coming from. Glad it stirred you to start the discussion and not just write me off as a child-hating sicko! :shocked:

Co.

AmyO
06-08-2007, 02:19 PM
I honestly thought I'd commented on your film before now. I feel so ashamed, being a fellow PDXer and all. I really enjoyed this film, it was very well put together, engaging, and you handled the VO nicely. As with "Imprint," this film marries the VO and visuals with the right balance so that it isn't intrusive or comes across as a way to cover a weak plot. The actor has a great voice, too, which helps.

The impending doom of the kid didn't bother me, really. I accepted that these were not-so-nice guys and sometimes innocents get in the way. As a parent, though, I'm glad to hear you didn't intend to kill the kid. :)

The only place I felt this film stumbled is the cemetery scene. I felt there was too much time between when The Robin realized he was "made" and when he left. Visually, it looked like he was still trying to decide if Jackson saw him, but the VO clearly indicated that he knew he was spotted.

Great CC work, too. Thanks for posting the before and after stills. It's always interesting to see where someone started and where they end up.

PDX_DVX
06-08-2007, 02:36 PM
Thanks a lot for the comments Amy. Nick Childs has an awesome voice! He was really great to work with, and if you haven't already, you should check out a short film that he made, just go to youtube and type in "muledick".....it's not dirty, I promise. He did all of the work on the film, and also starred in it....which is really impressive because it's got a ton of after effects work, and he also does an excellent job at acting. Thanks again! I'm going to post two more stills in about a half hour...stay tuned

235 Studios
06-08-2007, 02:40 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing more of the stills - thanks for posting them.

I enjoyed this film- I though that everyone did a good job on it. Patrick - it looks like you did a good job of shooting flat for the CC later, as the CC really made the shots pop.

Usually I don't like VO films, as most of the time they do not work for me. But the combination of Nick's voice as well as the script made it work for me in this film. Nice work!

As for Nick's other short - muledick- if you haven't seen it, check it out- it is funny, and impressive with all of the work and time he put into it.

PDX_DVX
06-08-2007, 02:47 PM
The following stills are examples of a really baffling problem that I ran into during production, and was discovered in post. If you'll note, in the first picture the camera bag appears to be a blue/grey color, and in the second photo, the exact same bag is shown, and appears to be a brownish red color.


http://www.patricklavalley.com/robin/bag2_before.jpg
Bag filmed without Polarizing filter


http://www.patricklavalley.com/robin/bag_before.jpg
Bag filmed with Polarizer and ND filter


If anyone knows why this happened, feel free to jump in. I think it may have been a problem with the way in which the filters were oriented in the matte box. We used Schneider brand filters, a circular Tru Pol, and a .9ND. The ND didn't seem to effect the picture at all, but when we stacked the two together, we got this weird effect. My theory is that the polarizer somehow filtered out a certain wavelength of light that was being reflected from the camera bag, effectively changing its percieved color. Below is the color corrected version of the red bag shot, which still exhibits the problem.


http://www.patricklavalley.com/robin/bag_after.jpg
After color correction


The important lesson that I carried away from this is to always do screen tests if at all possible. In this case, screen testing a relatively minor prop on a production that was already pretty tightly scheduled was easy to overlook, but it's still very troubling to me that this happened. I'm sure it's some "no duh" mistake on my part, just not sure what. The other option would have been to have a production monitor on set to more accurately view the color of the scene, on a bigger area than the 3.5'' LCD or 1'' viewfinder that the camera offers. The main reason that we did not have the monitor at this particular location was the need to go as light as possible, so we could get in and get our shots with a minimal amount of setup/takedown time. This is definitely one for the filing cabinet of mistakes/lessons.

500Cuts
06-08-2007, 05:31 PM
Thanks Ryan. I, too, despise VO in movies. Because most V.O. usually just tells you what you're seeing, or gives you internal reflection that has no action. But there are a few great examples... One of Clive Owen's early films, "Croupier," uses V.O. to great effect. Check it out if you haven't seen it.

Also, I distinctly remember NOT having the polarizer in there when we were in the cemetery. Remember Pat? It was just the ND that was causing that weirdness with the camera bag. Am I mistaken?

arielman
06-08-2007, 06:17 PM
I liked the way this was done. The VO I thought was good.
I liked everything here except it was too short. I felt need to see what the outcome was going to be. A full 6 minutes would’ve been nice.

Still enjoyed it!
Ian

PDX_DVX
06-08-2007, 09:04 PM
Thanks Ryan. I, too, despise VO in movies. Because most V.O. usually just tells you what you're seeing, or gives you internal reflection that has no action. But there are a few great examples... One of Clive Owen's early films, "Croupier," uses V.O. to great effect. Check it out if you haven't seen it.

Also, I distinctly remember NOT having the polarizer in there when we were in the cemetery. Remember Pat? It was just the ND that was causing that weirdness with the camera bag. Am I mistaken?

I remember the polarizer being in when this happened, because we also had the polarizer in when we were doing the shot of Jackson in front of the green screen outside, the shot where his black gloves took on the same reddish tone...of course, it's finals week and my mind isn't so fresh- so I should do some tests to see if I can recreate the anomaly with that camera bag.

Tom Marshall
06-08-2007, 10:01 PM
Very nice job. This is definitely one of my top 3. I thought the VO was done very well. His voice reminds me of Gary Sinese and I could see Gary playing the role due to that. I think the actor did a great job with the voice-over, but when he was acting visually, it didn't quite do it for me. I think that was the weakest part of this piece.

The visuals were very well done. My favorite shot is of the poster on the telephone poll where you're changing the zoom / angle and keeping the background the same while the pole zooms out. Nice job!

Michael_Petro
06-09-2007, 08:31 AM
pretty cool.. not a big voice over fan.. but this is the most effective voice over of heard recently

500Cuts
06-09-2007, 11:04 AM
pretty cool.. not a big voice over fan.. but this is the most effective voice over of heard recently

Thanks. I'm in full agreement. VO is almost always a cop out for actual story, but in this case, I wanted to see if I could pull off that journal entry style of storytelling. You know... "Stardate 446! Captain's Log!"

Thanks for watching.
Co.

500Cuts
06-09-2007, 11:14 AM
The only place I felt this film stumbled is the cemetery scene. I felt there was too much time between when The Robin realized he was "made" and when he left. Visually, it looked like he was still trying to decide if Jackson saw him, but the VO clearly indicated that he knew he was spotted.



Hey Amy, thanks for the feedback. I think the problem with the cemetery thing is that it's too internal and we didn't get enough coverage to get the idea across. The theory is that The Robin has a gun in his bag and he's deciding whether or not he should confront Jackson. But ultimately, he chickens out and rationalizes it to himself that he's not chicken, he's an artist. He stays distanced. He doesn't rely on thuggish things like guns. The truth is, he knows he'd get his ass handed to him by a pro like Jackson.

I kinda wish we had a better shot of Nick (The Robin) fumbling with his gun. I think it would better show that he's not super confident in a pinch.

Thanks for the comments!

Co.

500Cuts
06-09-2007, 07:37 PM
II felt need to see what the outcome was going to be. A full 6 minutes would’ve been nice.

Still enjoyed it!
Ian


Thanks! Isn't that the secret, though? Leave them wanting more? :thumbup:

Co.

PDX_DVX
06-09-2007, 09:05 PM
Hey, just did some tests today with the same matte box/filter combination that we used on The Robin, with the same scene file settings- and it was in fact the .9ND that produced the weird rendering of the black- it made a black t-shirt brown. I am thinking maybe it's a defect with the filter? I will call Schneider on Monday to see what gives. This Neutral density doesn't seem so neutral!

jojopop
06-09-2007, 11:49 PM
I actually really loved this piece. The editing [the opening rocked...], the look and the voice over: solid. And the ending was perfect... loved it!

Simple, striking, effective.

Oh, and the soundtrack was pretty sick too. :)

Great work!

500Cuts
06-10-2007, 08:31 AM
I actually really loved this piece. The editing [the opening rocked...], the look and the voice over: solid. And the ending was perfect... loved it!

Simple, striking, effective.

Oh, and the soundtrack was pretty sick too. :)

Great work!

Thanks a lot! I'm really glad people like it. Anytime you make a film, you wonder, "Am I the only one who thinks this is cool?" Nice to get positive response outside of our little group.

Co.

Edgen
06-10-2007, 10:56 AM
My Thoughts:

At first, I thought it was the same guy from that Life Goals song. at any moment, I was expecting him to say, "... and brush your teeth"

I liked the look of this film a lot! I'm not sure I followed the storyline and some of the flashbacks were confusing and it took me a bit to re-adjust to the story. Music was superb! I'm not sure if the grundgy elements fit to the rest of the film, but it was cool none-the-less.

cool entry. looking forward to seeing more of your films.

cheers!
/j

Norm Sanders
06-10-2007, 02:36 PM
Co, Patrick, and team ... my final review. I could have done this one before many of the others, actually, but this one was special to me because it shared the same DP, so I wanted to do it last. :)

I enjoyed this ... the story, the writing, the camera movements, FX (GREAT smoke work in the BG), etc.

My biggest gripe (and this is actually small in the spectrum of things) is that I would like to have heard more OC voice vs. just full on VO. In other words, I think it could have brought another dimension of life/reality to this if when we SEE through his POV of looking through a camera, we hear him talking under his breath to himself (i.e. "You've kidding me").

Also, the music. With so many gifted composers on here, I wonder what ever level this could have been brought to had it had some custom score vs. the looped tracks I heard. You may have specifically wanted the grind/grit effect of those looped tracks, but I'm just a fan of custom scores ... even if they have much the same sound, there's just something more alive about them.

Otherwise, great twist, and really impactful to show the cold brutality that can often accompany the world of espionage ... that innocents can be taken out right along with the mark ... in this case, the mark's family.

Well done. Very well done.

Norm Sanders
06-10-2007, 02:36 PM
LOL, I just read up above and saw that others LOVE the music, even a composer! :grin:

abalex
06-10-2007, 02:47 PM
Great work my friend, loved some of the shots and VO.

good luck!
gv

gabrielflorit
06-10-2007, 04:30 PM
I absolutely loved the tone of this film. Great color correction, it adds a ton. Nice lighting as well. The VO was ok... but the story... a little bit lacking. It was the weakest point of an otherwise very compelling short. Nice work!

Danielleus
06-11-2007, 12:11 PM
Hey, I know, definetely a little late, but just wanted to say that I loved this one. It reminds me of something that we would have done. Alas, the idea is worth as much as the execution, no? And both were just great, great, great. Sorry to see that you didn't make it into the top three. But next time, eh? Looking forward to your work in the future.