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Larry Rutledge
05-17-2007, 02:15 PM
This thread is a place to ask questions or share strategies regarding compression specific to the DVXfest.com Festivals.

If you have a question regarding the compression of your entry, please ask it here. If you have the answer to a question asked, please answer it here.

If you have a good workflow / strategy for compression using your choice in NLE and/or external tools, please post a write up here in this thread.

After the fest I will cull all the information contained in here and write it up to help future fest entrants.

If you know of any threads on DVXuser that have good instruction, information and/or tutorials on this subject, please post a link to them here as well.

Thanks,
Larry

Larry Rutledge
05-17-2007, 02:20 PM
Here's a reprint of Kyser's question from another thread. Please answer here:


I can get a .wmv that small and still have it look good. When I use H.264 it washes out the image and the detail.

Any ideas?

Mike

Ben Sliker
05-17-2007, 03:24 PM
my current strategy on mac (since im one of the lucky ones that compressor never works for) is to export straight from FCP using QT conversion. You can tweak the h.264 settings and get a 480x270 file under 50 mb.

For PC guys, you can use QT pro (only 20 bucks) and accomplish the same thing.

Larry Rutledge
05-17-2007, 03:40 PM
Thanks hybrid.

What we really need though, is some detailed, step by step instructions using specific tools. Since this is specific to the fests, I believe this is very doable.

In other words, from FCP click "File | Export" (or whatever it is ... I probably just proved I've never seen FCP :) ), then turn on option "xyz" and turn off option "345". Set the bitrate to "???", etc, etc.

Or if you usually save in a particular format from your NLE and then compress in another tool (e.g. Compressor, etc) then give the settings you use when saving from the NLE, then all the settings used in Compressor.

The hope is that we will eventually have a library of all the different NLE and NLE/Tool combinations and the best way to get the best image for the fest.

Thanks again,
Larry

cinealma
05-17-2007, 03:53 PM
Larry, this is a fucking great idea! I hope this thread turns out to be what you envision. I'm sure it would help TONS of people.

Ben Sliker
05-17-2007, 03:54 PM
i started to write all that down, and then i came across this and stopped writing.

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/tutorials/h264.html

That covers the exporting from quicktime pro option.

I'm running compression tests right now, so ill post my settings once i get it down close to 50 mb.


In the meantime, i posted a QT pro tutorial like this for horrorfest, I shot letterbox and used QT pro to crop out the bars as well.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=72789

It's about halway down the page and has pictures of a baby.

Larry Rutledge
05-17-2007, 04:12 PM
i started to write all that down, and then i came across this and stopped writing.

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/tutorials/h264.html

That covers the exporting from quicktime pro option. THanks for the link...but what I'm really after are fest specific settings. This is good info and I will include it, though.


I'm running compression tests right now, so ill post my settings once i get it down close to 50 mb. Cool...looking forward to the settings.


In the meantime, i posted a QT pro tutorial like this for horrorfest, I shot letterbox and used QT pro to crop out the bars as well.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=72789

It's about halway down the page and has pictures of a baby. Yes!! This is what I'm looking for. Specific instructions for FCP users. Now we just need one for Vegas, Avid, Premier, Edius, and any others I may be forgetting.

Also, there may be those who feel they get a better image by going through some process (e.g. save uncompressed from NLE, then compress in QT Pro or Sorensen, etc). If you have a workflow like that, then we'd like to get those settings as well.

My goal is to make as many tutorials available as possible, so people can use the one that best fits their situation and gives them the best possible output for their entry :)

Thanks Hybrid :thumbsup:

Larry Rutledge
05-17-2007, 04:14 PM
Reading through that second link hybrid posted, I see a lot of this information. However, what I realize is that we need to make sure we have screen shots (like hybrid included in his tutorial). I will be creating downloadable PDFs for each variation and I want to include screenshots of each screen/step mentioned so we can make this as through and understandable as possible.

Thanks again,
Larry

Larry Rutledge
05-17-2007, 04:18 PM
Sorry..thought of another thing to consider.

We also need different tutorials for each of these NLE and NLE/tool combinations depending on source material since we always need a 16:9 or 2.35:1 anamorphic output.

So if the source material is 4:3 unsqueezed, then you would work with it in your NLE and then go through some process to crop it to 16:9 and/or anamorphic. If your source material is squeezed, you would use a different process.

We want to include this information as well. Again, the goal being to provide thorough, detailed instructions for people to help them create the best entry possible.

I know I had a tough time during Hero Fest since Vegas can't produce h.264 directly. I had to render to one format, then use QT Pro to convert it to h.264 and to crop the footage so it was truly 16:9 and didn't have the black bars when played back in quicktime. If I can find my notes, I'll write this one up :)

Thanks again everyone

Peace,
Larry

FutureDVXUser
05-17-2007, 04:30 PM
I know I had a tough time during Hero Fest since Vegas can't produce h.264 directly. I had to render to one format, then use QT Pro to convert it to h.264 and to crop the footage so it was truly 16:9 and didn't have the black bars when played back in quicktime. If I can find my notes, I'll write this one up :)


Man, I really hope you can find and post those notes :)

So, the footage isn't supposed to have the black bars?

Also, how would I render Vegas 7 into QT Pro for h.264 and under 50mb? And can I buy QT Pro at a Circuit City or Best Buy?

Oh, and how much is Photoshop? Can I buy that at a Circuit City? I know we need to make a banner and stuff, and I'd really like to make a cooler banner because Windows Paint Shop isn't doin much justice.

Sorry for so many questions...

Thanks

Larry Rutledge
05-17-2007, 04:35 PM
Man, I really hope you can find and post those notes :) It probably won't be until early next week..but I promise I will find them. :)


So, the footage isn't supposed to have the black bars? It's ok if it does, but its preferable if it doesn't (my notes will tell you how to do that)


Also, how would I render Vegas 7 into QT Pro for h.264 and under 50mb? Again, my notes will tell you how to do it...unless someone tells sooner ;)


And can I buy QT Pro at a Circuit City or Best Buy? You buy it online at http://www.quicktime.com


Oh, and how much is Photoshop? Can I buy that at a Circuit City? I know we need to make a banner and stuff, and I'd really like to make a cooler banner because Windows Paint Shop isn't doin much justice. Photoshop can be purchased at a number of online retaliers (Adobe.com, amazon.com, ebay.com, etc). I imagine it's also available at any of the electronics brick and mortar stores. Sorry, don't know the cost, but you can find it online easily enough.

There is a fairly inexpensive tool that is VERY similar to photoshop (though all the information is in French). I used it for awhile until I got my copy of photoshop and was very happy with it. http://www.photofiltre-studio.com/

The poster and banner are not required, but they are desired.


Sorry for so many questions that were probably already answered 500x... No problem...that's what we're here for :)

Peace,
Larry

Ben Sliker
05-17-2007, 04:36 PM
Alright, I'll post this here, and then update with the information on my tries for Spyfest.

THIS IS A TUTORIAL TO GET A H.264 FILE FROM QUICKTIME PRO 7 OR STRAIGHT FROM FCP

MAC FOLKS, IF YOU WANT TO EXPORT STRAIGHT FROM FCP, IN FCP CHOOSE FILE>EXPORT>QUICKTIME CONVERISON>OPTIONS (ON BOTTOM) and you get the same thing, SKIP TO STEP 4.

I hate using compressor, cause it never works, and probably never will. I get that stupid "unable to connect" message no matter what i do. Regardless, this is for pc users, and for mac users that get this message whenever they try to use compressor.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1159403723.jpg

THIS IS IF YOU SHOT LETTERBOX OR SHOT 4:3 AND LETTERBOXED IN POST.

STEP 1: EXPORT A FULL RESOLUTION Quicktime or Avi from you NLE. (720x480 for DV folks, we shot HVX at 720p so I'm using a 1280x720 file)

STEP 2: Open it in Quicktime

Everyone look at my nephew mason, isn't he cute. I shot him in letterbox mode.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1159402040.jpg

STEP 3: Select "Export" from the "File" Menu

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1159402095.jpg

STEP 4: Click "Options" button to bring up the "Movie Settings" Menu

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1159402113.jpg

STEP 5: Click "Settings" under the Movie setting window to bring up the Standard Video Compression Settings. Choose "H.264" from the dropdown. This is the screen where you will be able to tweak settings for quality in order to make it under 50 mb, as per Jarred's order.

Notes: In order to get a smaller file, reduce the quality setting, and restrict your Data Rate.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1159402066.jpg

STEP 6: Go back to the Movie settings box and Click "Size" Click the first pulldown and select "custom" and type in "400" and "225" respectively. (This is your 16x9 file size)

STEP 7: Select the Bubble next to preserve aspect ratio, and choose "Crop" from the pulldown (This will essentially crop out the black bars from the top and the bottom)

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1159402025.jpg

And that's pretty much it, give it a name and where to save, and presto, you are done! (That is, if you are under 50 mb.)

Here's the only settings I changed from the tutorial:
Bitrate: 500 kbits/sec
Quality: High
Encoding Mode: Multi-Pass

I also adjusted sound to 24 kHz from 48 and used the little endian codec.

The export at those settings was 54 MB.

HERE'S THE NEW SETTINGS I'M TRYING OUT FOR SPYFEST:
(after many tries, i went back to the "automatic" setting for a lot)

Size: 640x360
Compression: H.264
Frame Rate: Current FPS
Keyframes: Automatic
Data Rate: Automatic
Quality: Slightly Over Mediumm
Encoding: Multi-Pass

Sound-
Format: IMA 4:1
Channels: Stereo
Rate: 44.1 khz
Quality: Better

With these settings, I came out at 48.9 MB, and it looks good.

I will keep replacing these settings with better ones if i test more and more.

and if you get stuck, or actually want to know what all those dropdown boxes do, here's more info at the mac site.

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/tutorials/h264.html

Larry, feel free to have someone delete my previous posts with the scattered info.

FutureDVXUser
05-17-2007, 04:52 PM
Thanks Larry, can't wait for those notes!

Larry Rutledge
05-17-2007, 05:10 PM
Alright, I'll post this here, and then update with the information on my tries for Spyfest. Sorry..didn't mean to imply you had to post it here...but I'm glad you did (saved me a little work ;)


Larry, feel free to have someone delete my previous posts with the scattered info. No need...while this thread will hopefully provide people the info they need for compressing this time around. The end goal is to get the information so I can create useable tutorials to make available in the future. So the "scattered" info/posts is cool. This is like a brainstorming thread :)

Thanks again

Jason Ramsey
05-17-2007, 10:48 PM
Let me add this post (courtesy of Thoff) for EDIUS and QTPro:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=759673&postcount=7

I'll also add that I have been able to get pretty good results (in the 50'ish meg range) for files up to 640x360 in size using single pass, medium-ish quality. A lot of it has to do with picking the proper audio codec, and toning it down to just above a point that you start not liking the quality hit. I did a file that had good video compression that was like 960x540 in size. It was 2 minutes and less than 36 megs. The audio was pretty crappy, but with better audio and a smaller frame, it's quite possible to get a good quality h.264 .mov with EDIUS and QTPro...

Enough of that useless info. Look at Thoff's tut'. I'll try to post some of my settings that are more specific in size and time, in relation to spy fest entries, if I have time before I leave.

Jason

Michael_Petro
05-18-2007, 07:39 AM
I export uncompressed out of vegas 4:3 then mp4 that puppy in QTpro.. looks fine... just when I try to chop those bars of the top and bottom it looks wierd.. would like to get those bars gone and look good also...

Elton
05-19-2007, 05:03 AM
Any chance the file size restriction could be lifted just a bit, to say, 75 MB? That way we could probably get good looking 640x360 clips. I feel like 400x... is just too small.

But that's just me. :)

Larry Rutledge
05-19-2007, 09:19 AM
No, the restriction stands as is. The principle reason is that we have had upwards of 60 entries in some of these fests, so we try to keep the file size reasonable both for the viewers that have to download all of them and for the bandwidth providers who have to support all those downloads.

But beyond that, it is a great lesson in doing what you can to meet the requirements. Just like writing/shooting a 6 minute film is a great lesson in sticking to the relevant information so you can fit the whole story in such a short amount of time.

Yea, it would be great to have full screen versions of each film, but it's just not feasible at this time.

Peace,
Larry

Elton
05-19-2007, 10:17 AM
Understood, thanks for the reply.

Jason Ramsey
05-19-2007, 11:05 AM
It was raised from 40 to 50 from the last fest.... I bet if you work at it you can get a 640 x 360 within that range.... A lot of it has to do with what audio compression you choose.

I've managed 6 minute files that are that size and within the 50 meg range. That's why we told you earlier, so you can be working it out, seeking help, etc. and get the best compression possible :)

Later,
Jason

kurtmo
05-19-2007, 05:17 PM
I use Vegas and I usually export cropped out of vegas as a .mov using Sorenson3 at a high data rate (1200K). This go around and I shot in squeeze, I will export my video at 720x405 to get the correct aspect ratio and no bars. Then I take it into QT pro and render out in H.264 to get under the size limit. Works fine for me and I get good quality. Haven't tweaked the final render dimensions yet, but just keep aspect ratio set and should render well.

I've tried to render to H.264 mp4 file right out of Vegas and then just pop into a mov container using QT pro (this avoids a second render). Unfortunately, this gives me some wierd QT error. The only thing I see different between my mp4 files created in vegas and other mp4 files that I've been able to "re-containerize" (QT pro save as versus export) is that the other files seem to use an apple codec, while vegas uses a mainconcept encoder.

Also, as someone mentioned, the audio make a pretty significant difference in final file size.

kurtmo
05-19-2007, 05:20 PM
Oh, and how much is Photoshop? Can I buy that at a Circuit City? I know we need to make a banner and stuff, and I'd really like to make a cooler banner because Windows Paint Shop isn't doin much justice.


I used the GIMP for a while. It's also free and has many of the same add ons as photshop.

FutureDVXUser
05-20-2007, 07:06 PM
I used the GIMP for a while. It's also free and has many of the same add ons as photshop.

Thanks man, it's a cool program...

Just wondering... What's the height and width supposed to be for a poster? Please let me know...

Thanks

kurtmo
05-21-2007, 05:28 AM
I'm wondering about the poster too. It'll be the last piece of Tie Can Do to get done.

Larry Rutledge
05-21-2007, 09:11 AM
Initially I was going to set a specific size for the posters, but going through the threads I see different size/shape posters and didn't want to add extra work for people to re-design posters at the last minute.

It will get resized to fit in our layout, but there is some flexibility. Just look at some of the posters that have been created and posted in the opening post of some of the movie threads and that should give you a fair idea of what I'm looking for.

Hope that helps,
Larry

Steve_Arm
05-29-2007, 12:13 AM
One question, considering a zip file is uploaded, which it will further compress the video let's say about 3%, shouldn't this give an advantage at encoding the movie at a little bit higher than 50MB?

Larry Rutledge
05-29-2007, 06:55 AM
Good question, but no. The 50MB limit is for the h.264 file itself. The zip is just to make it easier on us to move the files around and keep them together, etc, etc.

Once they hit the server they are split apart and all that will be downloaded to the user is the h.264 mov file, which should not exceed 50MB.

Peace,
Larry

Jaime V
05-29-2007, 10:33 AM
Workflow: Export uncompressed AVI from Premiere Pro 2.0, then compress to h264 using QuickTime Pro.

Exporting from Premiere Pro 2.0

Step 1 – Go to File > Export > Movie

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180454550.jpg

Step 2 – Name the file, and then click on Settings…

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180454687.jpg

Step 3 – Select General from the menu on the left. Then for File Type: Select Microsoft AVI

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180454764.jpg

Step 3a – You can also pick the Range you want to export…assuming this is your final render, you’ll probably want to pick the Entire Sequence

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180454793.jpg

Step 4 – Select Video from the menu on the left. Then for Compressor, select None

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180454818.jpg

Step 5 – The rest of the video settings should be taken from your project; no need to adjust them.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180454843.jpg

Step 6 – Select Audio from the menu on the left. For Compressor, select Uncompressed.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180454862.jpg

Step 7 – From the General menu, you can click on OK

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180454921.jpg

Step 8 – Click on Save and go get some coffee and a sandwich if your computer is as slow as mine:

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180454942.jpg

*** Continued in next post....

Jaime V
05-29-2007, 10:34 AM
QuickTime Pro Compression

Since these settings affect the size and quality of the final output, they are obviously subject to change, depending on what you want to achieve. For SpyFest, using the following settings, I ended up with a 640 x 360 resolution, 45,060KB .mov file, well within the size limits. YMMV…

Step 1 – Open up your uncompressed AVI in QuickTime Pro and go to File > Export…

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180455169.jpg

Step 2 – Give your movie a name and click on Options…

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180455188.jpg

Step 3 – This is the Options window. You can see all the settings I used. For the tutorial’s sake, I’ll go through them. Under Video, click on Settings…

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180455211.jpg

Step 4 – You will see the Video Compression Settings window

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180455240.jpg

Step 5 – For Compression Type, pull down the list and select H.264

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180455271.jpg

Step 6 – In the Data Rate section, select Restrict to, and input 900 kbits/sec. Click OK

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180455292.jpg

Step 7 – From the main Movie Settings window, under Video, click on Size…For Dimensions, pull down the list and select Custom

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180455310.jpg

Step 8 – In the dimensions fields, enter 640 and 360, and then click on OK

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180455346.jpg

Step 9 – From the main Movie Settings window, under Sound, click on Settings…These were the settings I used. Again, you may not like the audio quality at certain settings…you’ll have to find a setting that you are comfortable with, as audio compression saves a good chunk of space. Once you’re done, click on OK to return to the main window.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17371/1180455376.jpg

Step 10 – Click on OK now that all your settings are done

Step 11 – Click on Save, and you’re off. Good luck.

Larry Rutledge
05-29-2007, 11:13 AM
Thanks Apollyon...that's the kind of tutorial I'm looking for. Now we just need to collect these from the other popular NLE's in use. :thumbsup:

I'll turn this into a nice PDF whitepaper and make it available soon, and at each of the future fests.

Jaime V
05-29-2007, 12:42 PM
glad to help you guys any way I can.

ripupthehwy
05-31-2007, 09:12 AM
PLEASE HELP

this compression crap for the spyfest is becoming a pain in the ass.

I never saw the quicktime codec options window appear when using my canopus procoder express. Couldn't get the files small enough without looking like crap. So I ditched that idea and bought the Quicktime Pro.

I have exported my movie from adobe premiere as an UNCOMPRESSED .avi file.

Now, following the instructions on here, I am attempting to export it as a QT tile using Quicktime pro. 2 problems:

1. When I click the options buttion and opens up the movie settings, the Sound settings box (entire bottom half of that window) is grayed out. I cannot change the sound settings at all.

2. After I export the movie, it says its there and that its about 52mb. However it will not play. No errors, just noting on screen as the progress bar flys across the QT player window.


GEEZE!!!

Michael Anthony Horrigan
05-31-2007, 09:46 AM
I'm having serious issues as well... mostly with the sound.

I can get a WMV that small, it looks and sounds pretty good.

H.264 is killing me!

I've been at it all night with no luck.

Any suggestions?
if I get the sound right then the file ends up being too large.

UGH!!

Mike

Matt Sconce
05-31-2007, 10:13 AM
Use the Apple Lossless codec. The sound will rock! 32hz

jamesh
05-31-2007, 10:14 AM
Kyser,


http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=90118

If you read through and follow this guy's tutorial exactley then you'll end up with a beautiful looking h264 mp4 file, best of all the software is all free and downloadable.

goodluck

Jaime V
05-31-2007, 10:23 AM
ripupthehwy - are you sure the audio was uncompressed from Premiere as well? The only thing I can think of that would prevent QT Pro from being able to work with your audio, is if it was compressed with a codec QT didn't recognize. I'm at work right now, and not at home so can't check my pc, but I can't think of anything else that would cause that.

Michael Anthony Horrigan
05-31-2007, 11:21 AM
My problem is that I exported it from Premiere pro as a HD WMV.
1440 x 1080

It looks and sounds great, and it is a little over 300MB.

I tried exporting it as an AVI but the sound doesn't synch with the video??
Not sure why.

This is why 've gone with the WMV.

I'm now trying to convert it to H.264 with After Effects.

I'm trying to get a 10 second section to around 1.3MB and still have decent sound.
That should keep it under 50MB.

I've got to get it right... the full compression of the 6 minute clip will take 6 hours.
I'm slowly running out of time...

Mike

Matt Sconce
05-31-2007, 11:38 AM
Here is what I would reccommend. Buy Quicktime Pro. Export Uncompressed Quicktime out of Premiere Pro. Open it in Quicktime Pro. Export as a 720x405 H.264 video at 65 quality with apple uncompressed sound at 32khz. This should make a movie about 50mb. if you want to err on the smaller size. Go 720x405 at 62 percent quality. it is what we did with Son of Bond. it looks rocking!

Michael Anthony Horrigan
05-31-2007, 11:51 AM
Thanks! Exporting it as a DV AVI seems to be working and the sound is synched.
Can QT Pro convert it?

I hope so... I just bought it.

I could go back and export an uncompressed Quicktime if my PC has the space. How big would a 6 minute 1440 x 1080 file be? Approximately..

Michael Anthony Horrigan
05-31-2007, 12:29 PM
This is crazy... the DV AVI looks great in the Windows Media Player, but it looks like crap when viewing it with the QT player.

I'm converting it with QT Pro anyway just to see how the final product looks.

I'm at 11%

Garbage in usually means garbage out. I'll see how it looks.

I'll try MeGui if this doesn't work.

The DV AVI is > 1 GB

Jaime V
05-31-2007, 12:30 PM
glad it's working for you now Kyser, thanks to msconce. back in horrorfest I had major issues with DV AVI, along with several other codecs I tried, which is why I just stick with uncompressed now from PPRO and let QT do the compressing. But I'm glad it works for you.

Michael Anthony Horrigan
05-31-2007, 12:56 PM
glad it's working for you now Kyser, thanks to msconce. back in horrorfest I had major issues with DV AVI, along with several other codecs I tried, which is why I just stick with uncompressed now from PPRO and let QT do the compressing. But I'm glad it works for you.

I'm trying QT uncompressed from PPro now. Early testing looks great and QTPro seems to prefer it over DV AVI.

Should I set the pixels to 1.0 square? (1440 x 1080)

Thanks again!

mike

Jaime V
05-31-2007, 01:12 PM
Should I set the pixels to 1.0 square? (1440 x 1080)

Thanks again!

mike
Maybe I'm missing something, but that's a 4:3 aspect ratio...don't the contest rules require a widescreen aspect ratio like 16:9? My workflow was strictly for stuff shot in squeeze mode.

But maybe you're shooting 4:3 and adding black bars to get the 'widescreen' look? I don't know the rules around that since I don't do it.

But, assuming you shot in 4:3 then yeah, keeping the pixels square will maintain that.

ripupthehwy
05-31-2007, 01:14 PM
aopollyon:

It won't let me work with the audio for ANY file i open.

I even loaded QT pro 7 onto my other computer and it does the exact same thing.

Is this a problem with vers. 7 only? There's got to be some kind of preference or something disabled. This sucks and I think im not gonna make the deadline.

ripupthehwy

Matt Sconce
05-31-2007, 01:23 PM
ripupthehwy, In the quicktime pro settings, you have to tell it to have audio. This menu is below the video settings. Choose apple lossless 32khz. That should work. Also from your editor, try to export uncompressed quicktime and then use Quicktime pro with my previously mentioned setup. Also, if you want to, render out a 200-300mb sorenson file and I will try to compress it for you. If we go this route, just make sure you host the poster and such and I will upload them as well. Use Xdrive or something like that to hold the big quicktime file online. Let me know! I will help if you need it!

Jaime V
05-31-2007, 01:31 PM
aopollyon:

It won't let me work with the audio for ANY file i open.

I even loaded QT pro 7 onto my other computer and it does the exact same thing.

Is this a problem with vers. 7 only? There's got to be some kind of preference or something disabled. This sucks and I think im not gonna make the deadline.

ripupthehwy

So in your QuickTime Pro, the checkbox for sound is grayed out/you can't select it? As I said, I'm at work not at home where I have QT Pro installed so I can't check til I get home. Maybe if you post a screenie of what it looks like? Or go with msconce's generous offer of assistance.

Michael Anthony Horrigan
05-31-2007, 01:47 PM
Maybe I'm missing something, but that's a 4:3 aspect ratio...don't the contest rules require a widescreen aspect ratio like 16:9? My workflow was strictly for stuff shot in squeeze mode.

But maybe you're shooting 4:3 and adding black bars to get the 'widescreen' look? I don't know the rules around that since I don't do it.

But, assuming you shot in 4:3 then yeah, keeping the pixels square will maintain that.I shot it with the Canon HV20 in widescreen.

When I export with Cineform it is widescreen.(Can't remember the pixel AR, definitely widescreen though.) When I export with QT it comes out squished in 4x3, unless I switch the pixel AR to Square. Then it is widescreen.

Does that make sense?

Doesn't seem to, but it works.

Mike

Jaime V
05-31-2007, 01:55 PM
....When I export with QT it comes out squished in 4x3, unless I switch the pixel AR to Square. Then it is widescreen.

Does that make sense?

Doesn't seem to, but it works.

Mike

lol I see...doesn't seem to make sense to me either, but I won't argue with it if it works :)

Michael Anthony Horrigan
05-31-2007, 02:02 PM
It is weird...
It's widescreen when I'm editing it. Widescreen if I export it with WMV or Cineform AVI, but 4x3 if I export it with QT in anything other than 1.0 square.

Very odd indeed.

The Pixel AR is HDV 1.333 with Cineform and WMV. When I try that AR with QT it comes out squished.

Mike

Matt Sconce
05-31-2007, 02:03 PM
Anyone need help compressing? My offer to ripupthehwy goes for you also. I do not want anyone to not be able to enter due to compression. Send me a PM if you need help.

ripupthehwy
05-31-2007, 02:27 PM
I'm an idiot. lol

I think i got it figured out now. It's exporting at a very slow speed, so I think its gonna work this time.

thanks

Matt Sconce
05-31-2007, 02:28 PM
Congrats!

Jaime V
05-31-2007, 02:42 PM
good to hear! and don't worry...we all have our moments :)

Michael Anthony Horrigan
05-31-2007, 06:34 PM
Thanks to everyone here who helped me out!

You guys are awesome! I just submitted my movie... came it at around 46MB

Thanks,

Mike

Barry_S
05-31-2007, 11:07 PM
Huge props to you guys helping out with the compression/rendering issues--it keeping the train on the tracks.

Mike@AF
05-31-2007, 11:44 PM
Working on encoding our SpyFest submission (SORRY) right now. It's 2.35:1 aspect ratio. Can we upload it in a 640x272 resolution without black bars? Or do we need to upload in 640x360 with black bars? Hope 640x272 is okay because that's what encoding right now.

Inexistence
06-01-2007, 12:28 PM
in vegas 7, when i'm exporting, halfway through it just stops and quits the export.
anyone else have this problem?

cinealma
06-01-2007, 03:21 PM
in vegas 7, when i'm exporting, halfway through it just stops and quits the export.
anyone else have this problem?

I had the same problem when trying to export out to h.264 .mov file. I'd get that QT error. After futzing around for what now seems like forever, I'm going the .mp4 route. I was getting pixelated splotches every few seconds or so, but I think I figured that one out. So now I'm just trying to get it around 50MB. Almost there, I can feel it!

Inexistence
06-01-2007, 03:36 PM
I had the same problem when trying to export out to h.264 .mov file. I'd get that QT error. After futzing around for what now seems like forever, I'm going the .mp4 route. I was getting pixelated splotches every few seconds or so, but I think I figured that one out. So now I'm just trying to get it around 50MB. Almost there, I can feel it!

I think i'm gonna go crazy:zombie_smiley: this happens even going mp4. could it be that vegas
is getting to a point in my timeline that it just dosn't like? I've tried removing effects
and such as well... nothin' works?

Larry Rutledge
06-01-2007, 05:11 PM
I have never had any success exporting a QT file directly from Vegas. I always had to export as an uncompressed file and then used QT Pro to encode it to a h.264.

I haven't read it myself yet, but this is supposed to be a good tutorial on creating a nice h.264 version of your film. Might be worth checking.

kurtmo
06-02-2007, 08:29 AM
I think i'm gonna go crazy:zombie_smiley: this happens even going mp4. could it be that vegas
is getting to a point in my timeline that it just dosn't like? I've tried removing effects
and such as well... nothin' works?

I use Vegas 6. The h.264 codec in a .mov container has never worked. The .mp4 with a h.264 codec works well for me. I prefer, however, to get the QT faststart bit set, so now I render a large Sorenson 3 .mov out of vegas and re-encode using QTPro. It's slow but yields nice quality.

Hope you figured out something like this to get it done!

cinealma
06-02-2007, 08:47 AM
You are more than right. I think it all started with QT7.1 I believe. 7.0 and lower, it renders fine. I personally used mp4 this go around. I did put in my time trying to work out something as a .mov file, but just didn't happen.

And I had other problems, but finally got it!