Filmmaking Argument........?

[CeSu Pro]

Alright, come one guys... give me a good controversial argument relating to filmmaking. it can relate to the actual process (though, the more well-known the better), or to the industry in general. I have to write an argumentative essay on filmmaking. So, lemme hear some ideas. Thanks.

[Kholi]

Easy: Digital vs Film

[CeSu Pro]

yeah, i def thought of that. i may go with it,... but it may be hard for my teacher to follow and too technical... you know?
but, def a good idea..... what else we got.

[Karl151k]

Union actors VS. non-union. Tape VS. direct digital aquisition. Sony VS. Panasonic. ;) The list goes on...

[TimurCivan]

Responsibility of adult content in film, with regard to exposure to children. PArents responsibilty, or Filmmakkers responsiblity for the content?

[Huy Vu]

XH-A1 or HVX

[ddp]

How about the Changing of the Guard- old school bureaucracy and schooled expertise versus newly empowered adventurous amateurs with no regards to the rules that now have affordable gear to change the industry.....

DDP

[CeSu Pro]

yeah, "sexuality" in film may be a fun topic..... you think the filmmaker vs parents is a strong enough argument there though? or maybe.... take the violence in films cause kids do be violent things topic? (cliche topic.... but does make it easier to write), and with the violence topic talk about the flaws of our rating system with regards to sexuality vs violence.....
keep em coming guys, this is helpin me brainstorm a lot, thanks.

[CeSu Pro]

hmm ddp,
similar almost to the "go to film school, or spend that money and make a movie" topic too. "school/theory vs experience/trying things".... interesting.

[Zak Forsman]

something that has been on my mind a lot lately is the debate between a filmmaker's desire to entertain by placating an audience's expectation to be reassured of things that are essentially untrue -- that love conquers all, etc. -- and the responsibility one feels to offer them something real or true, let alone something that could actually resonate with their lives in some meaningful way.

[CeSu Pro]

zak,
definitely an interesting topic. but it may be hard to find 5 (non-internet) sources for that. but, i do think about that debate too.

[ugafan]

shampoo or conditioner, which one is better?

[Zak Forsman]

pert plus.

[Eastside Parkway]

I'd say plain old artistic value versus money-making potential. The two always seem to be at odds.

[-zach-]

What about East vs. West?

There's definitely a difference between western and eastern filmmaking practices.... and it would be easy to find sources.

[Andrew Brinkhaus]

Yep, lots of resources for different tactics/methods of filmmaking here, in comparison to european film... Easy to understand as well from your teachers perspective.

[CeSu Pro]

hmm... that could be interesting.... what's the argument? West is better?

i'm thinking about sexuality in film.... something to do with how we're so much more lenient(sp?) to violence than we are to sexuality... but i can't figure out the best "argumentative" approach there either.....

[-zach-]

hmm... that could be interesting.... what's the argument? West is better?

i'm thinking about sexuality in film.... something to do with how we're so much more lenient(sp?) to violence than we are to sexuality... but i can't figure out the best "argumentative" approach there either.....

You could say, "Which is worse? Violence or sexuality?" And then say your opinion. Say that, "Sexuality is something we can all identify with, we've all seen the naked human form, and if kids are exposed to it it doesn't matter because if nobody made such a fuss in the first place, it wouldn't be a big deal... Violence is far worse because it can harm you emotionally and not everyone has been exposed to the extreme violence that is glorified in today's movies."

OR

You could say, "Violence is far less inappropriate to today's moviegoers than sexuality. People take their children to see Scooby-Doo and end up with their children's dreams shattered forever. (Lol). Sexuality is something that should be addressed by adults and should only be in the most restrictively rated movies and here's why...."

Two totally different viewpoints.

If you're writing a thesis, then pick your argument!

Agree with your topic! Or atleast, appear to agree. No FENCE-SITTERS. That's what I've learned.

So what's your opinion? It doesn't matter if it's the best opinion, because your paper is going to argue that it is the best opinion.

[CeSu Pro]

You could say, "Which is worse? Violence or sexuality?" And then say your opinion. Say that, "Sexuality is something we can all identify with, we've all seen the naked human form, and if kids are exposed to it it doesn't matter because if nobody made such a fuss in the first place, it wouldn't be a big deal... Violence is far worse because it can harm you emotionally and not everyone has been exposed to the extreme violence that is glorified in today's movies."

that's what i was thinking but could articulate. perfect. i think i'm going to roll with that.

and as far as my actual opinion?
i love sexuality AND violence in films..... and believe that if parents don't want their kids seeing either, then they should make sure of that themselves and not leave it up to others to restrict what they don't their kids to see.

BUT, i agree that sexuality shouldn't be 'graded' harder than violence if forced to pick which is worse. i would agree that violence could do more negative then sexuality.

thanks all..... okay... 9pm sunday... due 8am monday... guess it's time to start
(the whole essay's not due, just an outline and annotated bibliography)

[stan harrington]

My 2 cents, the future of where film is going...studios are struggling and the internet is the focus of everyone's attention for better or worse...this seems to be the biggest talking point here in Hollywood from where I sit...

Best,
Stan Harrington
www.xristosproductions.com (http://www.xristosproductions.com)
www.igfdb.com (http://www.igfdb.com)

[CeSu Pro]

went with the sexuality in film... thanks everyone. really helped a lot. i'll come back into this subject for some opinions once i start writing. you can be forever remembered in my community college essay! heh.... alright, thanks agian guys.....

[ryan brown]

you can be forever remembered in my community college essay!

I love that line. Consider it stolen ;)

or add it to your sig and I'll let it go...:beer:

[Nathyn]

Alright, come one guys... give me a good controversial argument relating to filmmaking. it can relate to the actual process (though, the more well-known the better), or to the industry in general. I have to write an argumentative essay on filmmaking. So, lemme hear some ideas. Thanks.
You must have missed the Freedom of Speech tread. It was certainly going in this direction.

[TC]

John Hudson vs. Barry Green.

Fight, FIGHT!

[Brandon Rice]

How about Film School vs. Learning as you go?

[TimurCivan]

yeah, "sexuality" in film may be a fun topic..... you think the filmmaker vs parents is a strong enough argument there though? or maybe.... take the violence in films cause kids do be violent things topic? (cliche topic.... but does make it easier to write), and with the violence topic talk about the flaws of our rating system with regards to sexuality vs violence.....
keep em coming guys, this is helpin me brainstorm a lot, thanks.


Adult content includes Drugs, Sex, Violence, Barbara Streisand..... you know Things children shouldt see.

[TimurCivan]

John Hudson vs. Barry Green.

Fight, FIGHT!


Ooo, Good match, but barry will just crush him with his truck full of HVX's.

[milksac]

went with the sexuality in film...
I don't know when your paper is due, but if you have time check out This Film Is Not Yet Rated for research purposes. It covers a lot of the same ground you're trying to cover. Specifically it's about the MPAA dictating morality.

http://www.amazon.com/This-Film-Not-Yet-Rated/dp/B000JGWD64

[Nathyn]

i love sexuality AND violence in films..... and believe that if parents don't want their kids seeing either, then they should make sure of that themselves and not leave it up to others to restrict what they don't their kids to see.
It's a great topic. I think sex is actually more harmful. Most people simply don't want to do violence, but everyone wants to have sex and most people are generally irresponsible. I believe this is one of our biggest problems. The media pushes the idea everyone should have sex no matter what the cost as long as you're happy. (I'm actually working on a film with this as one of the themes).

Teens are "hooking up" and grammar school students are doing things we didn't even talk about until high school and HIV's newest and fastest growing group are young heterosexuals. And teens cant get away from it. I just blogged about an incident with Akon and something he did with a young girl overseas which cause Verizon to drop him from his promotional contract and was about to post the link here but here it is since we're on the topic: Click (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=112032632&blogID=261976011&MyToken=c149ac3a-a689-4bce-adf5-0d89d80cc6ae). But yes, you will definitely make some waves with this topic.

-Nate

[CeSu Pro]

hmm Nate,
great counter point, i will use that approach as an opposition to my arguemnt... now i just have to debunk it. i think i will try and counter it with the point the the MPAA rates harder against sexuality vs violence, even if the sexuality is shown in a negative or educational light. ie - requiem for a dream, where the sexuality is shown to really make the viewer think about all the negatives of drugs etc. not to glamourize sex in any way, yet the film still received an NC-17 rating. opposed to a film that may glorify killing thousands of people that only got an R rating. Obviously this isn't a fully thought out counter. just thinking as i type.
but thanks for that interesting angle from the oppostion.

[Batutta]

How about the Old Star Wars Trilogy VS. The New Star Wars Trilogy...oh wait, there's no debate there because the new ones unequivocally SUCK!...I'd do something about the increasing role of product placement in films and television. By the way, here's David Lynch's eloquent take on the subject--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4wh_mc8hRE

[Billy Pilgrim]

Haha, that was great. I love David Lynch.

[MOVIE MASTER]

sex and most people are generally irresponsible. I believe this is one of our biggest problems. The media pushes the idea everyone should have sex no matter what the cost as long as you're happy.

But that's the thing are you truly happy?
you got to draw the line some how I am the number #1 horror film fan of all time but honestly It's just dang wrong to link sex and horror together
I think the only people that do it are sadly the ones that don’t have a good story to begin with! no talent bums that would not know a good film if it ran them over.

so i guess thats it lets ruin a good filmmaking from making changing film style from the creature of the black lagoon to a$$ monster! oh yeah lots of talent their

I stick up for good films with real talent ! not cheap filth!

Long live classic cinema !!!!!!!!!!!

[MsManhattan]

Responsibility of adult content in film, with regard to exposure to children. PArents responsibilty, or Filmmakkers responsiblity for the content?

I like this original suggestion (which I guess started you down the path you chose for your paper). But Timur's topic really asks the question: Should filmmakers bow down to pressure about what's appropriate for young people to see (smoking, drug use, violence, sex, etc. ...) and thus censor their characters and their stories OR should parents simply be more attentive and proactive about monitoring what their kids see and mediating what they are exposed to with discussion and guidance?

OK, I guess it's clear which side of the fence I'm on from the way I expanded on his question... It ties into the question of whether film should reflect society as it is or the fantasy of how we wish it were.

[alveraz]

One word. Gun Control.

[Billy Pilgrim]

That's two words.

[Terry_Lasater]

Gun control = tighter grouping. :thumbsup:

[TimurCivan]

Lmao.


BUt PLEASE dont let this turn into a Gun controll thread.

[Mark Harris]

Lmao.


BUt PLEASE dont let this turn into a Gun controll thread.

You're absolutely right, Timur.

Now, what do you like better? Mac or PC?

[TimurCivan]

:) Pain in the ass indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[James H.]

Educated (film school) vs. self taught (exporatory)...

I got into this all the time when I was a web designer. I didn't finish college, but within 5 years I was an art director providing guidance to several grad students. Some argued that I wasn't qualified, while others simply praised my talent and felt they wasted their money on a degree.

I went through a Leonaro DaVinci phase right after high school... the curiosity and passion for exploration that led him to such an amazing life of discovery. DaVinci's signature is on just about everything we see in today's world - from art to science and engienering.

However, DaVinci was not formally educated... he was not permitted to go to school.

Not to undermine education, just explore how it can be essential to some people, and potentially wasteful if not limiting for other people.

Contain it to filmmakers, of course... perhaps you can compare the lifetime acheivement of filmmakers who went to school and those who did not.

[alveraz]

That's two words.

I knew someone would bite. Filmmakers are so predictable.

[Billy Pilgrim]

All in good humor, man [smiley emoticon here, if you want]

[CeSu Pro]

I knew someone would bite. Filmmakers are so predictable.

I knew it was intentional. Forum posters are so predictable.


And, this writing is coming slow. I don't really have a well developed argument I guess for sex vs violence. what are some good examples of sexual films that were rater harder against than violent films? and.... why should anybody care right now?

[Billy Pilgrim]

I knew it was intentional. Forum posters are so predictable.

LOLZERZ

[Billy Pilgrim]

I knew someone would bite. Filmmakers are so predictable.

ROFLMFAO