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Neil Rowe
04-19-2007, 12:13 AM
http://www.seventhyearfilms.com/exhibition/parallel-poster-m.jpg


i thought we would announce our participation a little earlier this time. be sure to check it out in the fest.

Beat Takeshi
04-19-2007, 12:38 AM
Hey Neil. Hows it going? I like the poster. Started to use your dolly in "Check" but the shots got cut because of time issues. :P

Edit:
But got to use it on Frozen River!!!

Charli
04-19-2007, 09:07 AM
I'm looking forward to this one. Just remember, Neil, if you are anywhere near an alley, and there is a lot of noise from a generator or something, pick a different alley - hyuck.

AmyO
04-19-2007, 09:33 AM
Great poster. Welcome to the fest! :)

jeremytuttle
04-19-2007, 09:57 AM
Love the graphic design of the poster (not sure if you meant it to, but that one bullet on the bottom right sticks out more then the rest).

Can't wait for this one.

Ted Arabian
04-19-2007, 11:19 AM
Hey Neil, glad to see you in! Looking forward to more of your work. Love what you did with "The Fallen."

Best to you!

-Ted

Norm Sanders
04-19-2007, 11:29 AM
Yeah, Neil is in! Love the poster, Neil ... and Jeremy is right, the silver bullet does stand out the most, but I'm sure you meant it that way .... love it & looking forward to more of your INCREDIBLE imagery, especially after seeing what you did with DramaFest!

dougspice
04-19-2007, 11:33 AM
Werewolf movie? Silver bullet? :)

Neil Rowe
04-19-2007, 09:53 PM
..nah. the local werewolves union is on strike, so we opted for the next best thing. a monkey with an ear infection. its odd at first, but man oh man.. once he gets jumping .. its like hes just pouring out oscar worthy cinematic excellence!

the silver casing does have analogous relevance, but not likely in a way that anyone would assume until they have seen the film. :)

Neil Rowe
04-30-2007, 09:37 PM
update: we had a great shoot and are very close to being done with set production. im thouroughly exhausted. only one little 1/2 hour shoot left to do.

Beat Takeshi
04-30-2007, 10:17 PM
Bring on the grabs!!! I love your other work and I'm betting I will like this too.

Neil Rowe
05-02-2007, 06:55 AM
hey thanks aram. this one was great to work on. and your sig has go tme waiting to check out your film right away whe the fest opens :)

Ted Arabian
05-02-2007, 07:21 AM
Hey Neil, I had a chance to use some of your wheels last week! Sweet ride. Jim (bosindy) had Aram and I dollying to and fro for hours!

Looking forward to Parallel!

-Ted

Beat Takeshi
05-02-2007, 09:53 AM
That sig is not for spy fest. "Lake of fire" is about a 15 minute short that I'm taking my time with to make sure everything is perfect as much as possible.

Yeah, I have had the dolly for about a year now and just got to use it for the first time with Ted and Jim. I think I need some kind of handle though. Ted's hands kept "slipping".

bosindy
05-02-2007, 10:13 AM
Yeah, the dolly was cool, but definitely could use a handle of some sort.

Neil, I really like your last film. Very stylistic. I am looking forward to more VFX.

Ted Arabian
05-02-2007, 11:16 AM
...I think I need some kind of handle though. Ted's hands kept "slipping".
What? You didn't like me grabbing your a$$ all day??? :grin:

Neil Rowe
05-02-2007, 01:07 PM
..well if you want to buy one of our handles anytime, shoot me a PM first. im sure you could deal with a little less rump fondeling on the set :)

but keep us posted on lake of fire. do you have any sort of release time for it yet? it looks pretty cool.

thanks bosindy, ..i think that parallel will be somewhat different from what people may be expecting though. i myself am eagerly awaiting to see how it all turns out after ive finished draggging all the footage through the rigors of post.

DJ Lewis
05-11-2007, 07:05 PM
Any updates?

Neil Rowe
05-12-2007, 09:24 PM
we just shot the last of it this last Friday in a little pick-up session, so set production is in the can. now its off to the threshing floor where the wheat and the chaff begin to part ways. It was definitely a great time working with everyone involved throughout production. ..and against my solitary type being just to at least put something out there without making myself feel like im destroying the experience of watching the film for everybody, heres one frame.

http://www.seventhyearfilms.com/exhibition/parallelteasergrab.jpg

DJ Lewis
05-13-2007, 08:06 AM
:eek: it has begun.....

Sid Barnhoorn
05-13-2007, 08:31 AM
Cool shot... :)

Charli
05-13-2007, 10:10 AM
That looks like Jeremy Irons with guns. Nice pose.

Neil Rowe
05-13-2007, 11:53 AM
That looks like Jeremy Irons with guns. Nice pose.

heh.. perhaps i can see a little similarity with the beard thing. :) i snagged the grab out of an "actionesque sequence". .. and now .. im back to editing it.

cinealma
05-13-2007, 01:01 PM
From the grab, it looks like you are going to go B/W on this one? That's very cool. Ditto on mine.

Neil Rowe
05-13-2007, 03:16 PM
..im still undecided. the majority of it will not be B+W, but that particular scene seems to ask for it ..or some other sort of reasonable disticntion.

Michael Anthony Horrigan
05-13-2007, 03:43 PM
Nice shot! Looks great....

Mike

Ted Arabian
05-15-2007, 07:05 AM
Great grab, Neil! Looks very cool. And I like the B&W quality of it.

-Ted

Mark T. Aro
05-15-2007, 03:43 PM
COOL PIC!

I like it... can't wait!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Charli
05-15-2007, 05:20 PM
NR - I loved your dramafest entry, I know this one will kick, keep them bts coming.

Neil Rowe
05-15-2007, 06:32 PM
hey thanks Charli. this one is pretty different. ..hopefully it will leave an impression in a new way. :)

Michael_Petro
05-15-2007, 10:07 PM
Hey Neil good luck... like that screen grab

Keystoned
05-16-2007, 12:58 AM
Somehow I missed this thread.

Cool graba and poster.


hey thanks Charli. this one is pretty different. ..hopefully it will leave an impression in a new way. :)

and different is good ... looking forward to this :beer:

Neil Rowe
05-24-2007, 11:11 PM
well.. i'm not sure we'll still be in the fest. I am really torn having to cut the story down to nothing like i did with "the fallen" to meet the festival 6 minute regulation. granted, i could have written a short that would run well in 6 minutes, but i figured i would let this one carry its own pace, and right now im not sure if that pacing lines up as festval material. we'll see i guess.

DJ Lewis
05-25-2007, 09:17 PM
well.. i'm not sure we'll still be in the fest.

Nooooooo! :crybaby:

Matty_g
05-25-2007, 10:07 PM
I say cut it off at 6 min. or somewhere close and leave a big cliffhanger and have everyone come back later when they can view the whole thing.

Neil Rowe
05-25-2007, 10:54 PM
..well, either way ill try to enter somthing from it, and if its not the whole thing, ill put a link in it to the full version on our site to be released once the festival voting has closed or something.

Keystoned
05-27-2007, 08:49 PM
How's your progress? Will we get to see your work for Spyfest?

Neil Rowe
05-27-2007, 11:25 PM
..still up in the air.

Neil Rowe
06-01-2007, 05:10 PM
..k, it's out of the air now. were not in for spyfest. the film will be exhibited off of our site at a later date when the fest is over. I didnt want to eneter anything stricly on a promotional basis, but rest assured ill post a link to the full version in good time.

JOE BLO
06-01-2007, 08:29 PM
Sorry to hear your not entering. Like I said before, the Fallen was my favorite in Drama fest. I look forward to seeing this film when you announce it later.

Neil Rowe
06-02-2007, 10:25 PM
..i just had to let the film "breath". sure it could've been cut down to 6 min as originally planned, but i think what it really asked for when i started editing was the near 15 minute version that im working on now. .. oh well. :)

Beat Takeshi
06-03-2007, 12:50 AM
..well, either way ill try to enter somthing from it, and if its not the whole thing, ill put a link in it to the full version on our site to be released once the festival voting has closed or something.

Just put in the full version anyways as a non compete or cut if off at 6 minutes and submit that for now and show the rest for later. We had to cut a key part also but the story still stands and Dale plans to show the full version after voting too.

Beat Takeshi
06-03-2007, 12:51 AM
Oh, I missed the post where you said you didn't want to.

Norm Sanders
06-03-2007, 12:55 AM
Neil, sorry to see that you're out, but looking forward to seeing the full version when you get it completed! I'm still in awe of MUCH of the visuals you had going on with your DramaFest entry ... man that was awesome!

Charli
06-03-2007, 09:39 AM
Aw, Neil, sorry to hear that. Was looking forward to your short. Well, you can
join me at the seat, we're filming but we're out, seats.

arielman
06-03-2007, 10:01 AM
Sorry to hear your out Neil . looking forward to the Full version .
Ian

cinealma
06-03-2007, 10:04 AM
Sorry to hear it. I definitely will look out for the 15 minute version on your website. This one looked really intriguing.

Neil Rowe
06-03-2007, 09:12 PM
Oh, I missed the post where you said you didn't want to.

yeah, i figure the film only gets one chance at a first impression in peoples minds, so id rather have them get the whole picture the first time around then sort of get it, and then tune out the full version because they feel theyve already tasted everything that the film has to offer. ITs not as if this piece is a masterpice by any means, but after starting the edit i just really felt that i needed to let my vision live its own life free of constraint this time i guess. which is unfortunate since i really wanted to participate, but i do think that its for the better as far as my development in the art goes, so i had to make a sobering judgment call this time around. hopefully the film will be enjoyable enough for the audience in its released version that i can say it was worth it :)

Norm Sanders
06-03-2007, 09:15 PM
And that's why we held off with BERLIN. Better to do it right the first time than go into something (or try to hurry & finish it) knowing it wasn't what it could be.

Good call, Neil. Takes a lot, and brings a lot of mixed emotions with it, I'm sure.

Keystoned
06-04-2007, 12:00 AM
These disicions are always tough. I have a tendency to soldier on when I sometimes shouldn't so I have respect for people that aren't afraid to say when.

Looking forward to it down the road.

Neil Rowe
07-10-2007, 11:04 AM
..should be done by the end of the week. ive been taking my time nibbling at it here and there when ive got time to get it done. ..its an interesting little piece now that i can watch it coming all together. sort of grounded ..yet surreal feeling to it. im working with angles on some of the basic core ideas in it to hopefully develop a larger and more produced project. anyway, if anyone still reads this section, it should be available for viewing online by the end of the week i think.

Norm Sanders
07-10-2007, 11:08 AM
Looking forward to it, Neil!!

chris f
07-10-2007, 02:24 PM
looking forward to it as well

Neil Rowe
07-10-2007, 08:38 PM
..i guess its worth posting the link then :) .. by the way , i thought that you guys had two of the most impressive films in spyfest. i enjoyed them both very much. gret jobon those if i didnt say so already.

chris f
07-11-2007, 02:56 PM
thanks neil, i'll be posting the full version of Ecclesiastes(11 minutes) after the local premiere I'm having for it on July 22.

Neil Rowe
07-12-2007, 08:07 AM
..cool. can you shoot me a PM with the link when its up?

chris f
07-12-2007, 04:16 PM
no prob, I might post it in the DVX Clips section since nobody seems to give this section notice anymore

Neil Rowe
07-18-2007, 10:08 PM
heres the link.
parallel (http://www.seventhyearfilms.com/exhibition/parallel%20640%20web.wmv)

chris f
07-20-2007, 08:36 AM
downloading now!

Norm Sanders
07-20-2007, 09:44 AM
Ditto (downloading now!).

Norm Sanders
07-20-2007, 10:23 AM
Thanks for sharing, Neil! Here are my thoughts/feedback, for what they're worth:

Overall, cool/unique story, acting, sound design, shots, etc. My first critique, and this is an easy fix, is the 2.35:1 matte you have on there ... a little bit of the original 16:9 is bleeding out on the top/bottom, so you'll want to zoom the matte in just a tad more ... it'll also take care of the very edges on the left/right side, as I thought I saw some spill/bleed there as well.

At first I was wondering if the entire thing was ADR (only a couple of minor spots where it was somewhat - but not overbearingly - noticeable), until we were in the warehouse. On the WIDE shots, I'm wondering if I would have liked to have heard the voices closer, more consistent, vs. really feeling like I too was clear across the room, not able to hear them as well. I'm torn on that, but just sharing my thoughts as I was thinking them.

In the beginning, while I think it's good to keep the hand held look consistent between your angles, it wasn't working for me on the wide shot (it DID on the mid & CU, however). It just felt too shakey for me on the wide.

I thought it an interesting twist when the voice disguise disappeared & we heard it was a woman's voice ... and I'm guessing that was the terrorist's sister?

Loved the training session, and the cuts therein to show both the training aspects as well as moments of levity the terrorist would have. Nice.

Great shots in the woods (as well as most of all the film) when they were approaching the crest of the hill to take the last shot.

I could be wrong, but I THINK this could have made a six minute cut & still retained much of the story/arc, so it's too bad you weren't able to get it entered in time ... it would have been a strong contender! :thumbsup:

Neil Rowe
07-20-2007, 12:05 PM
hey thanks for checking it out norm. ill have to double check the matte. i nocticed the edge fringe as well, but i think its something from the web compression, because it doesnt show up in the monitor at all, or in the 720p version. As far as the ADR thing, there is no ADR in the film aside from the phone voices, the rest is all actuall location sound. I tweaked the audio to punch it up, but its all from their on-site performances. the shots across the room i left muted because i wanted the gritty sort of feeling of being a fly on the wall where you feel like your actually there and observing as best as you can. i knew i was leaving myself open for interpretation there though because people might think that what they were saying was of some type of actual importance to the story. in reality ..i think the lead was joking about having to stick "the cold steel of a gun down the butt of his pants" for part of it.

i didnt know what bothered me about the wide shots before, but now that you say that, i completely agree with you on the wide shot handheld look. i didnt bring a tripod for anything, but i couldve kept a steadier hand easily on the wide lense. of course its harder to be steady with a longer lense, but i kept a firmer grip, and actually had to try and shake a bit on the wide shots. ..in the future ill have to just shoot naturally and not try to get a look as much as just let it happen. it should translate better then and the wide shots will be solid and the closeups progressively less stabile.

yeah, it was originally written for and definitely could have been a 6 minute cut, but it just didnt feel right when i started cutting it down. i thought it just didnt let the characters breath enough, and made it feel too contrived to get into as much. i couldnt quite get into the whole surrealness of it with it being so short. originally the opening scene with the shoot em up outpst had a very matrix like special FX feeling to it where it was fast ans super slow-mo action paced with people diving and bullets hitting everything, but i slowed that down too and kept it simple. it would worked either way but i scripted out all the FX and complex shots for production time sake when i was still planning on having it in the fest. ..oh well.

glad you appreciated the the few woods walking shots and hill crest. it took about 2 paniful hours to get done because it was at 2 different hill locations, and just getting up to that bluff took a while. it was near the end of the shooting day, and i was wishing my camera package was about 10 lbs lighter half way up. the rest of the shots were pretty easy, but we had to keep on a tight schedule to be in the right places at the right times when the natural light was right for the location and shot angles. we only used a couple lights in the little control room with the 2 guys in it, and i had to cut around when they got into the shot because the room was so small.

I definitely appreciate the feedback. im glad you thought the story was decent. ill hopefully be working with some of the ideas presented in it within a feature this next year. not the same storyline at all, but some of the same principles and will be worked into a different story, on a larger scale and more produced level.

Kholi
07-20-2007, 12:31 PM
SPOILERS AHEAD

Hey Neil. Gotta say, congrats on sticking through outside of the contest. Not a lot of people would do that, it's commendable indeed. And thanks for putting it up for everyone to watch still.

I have to admit, as well, that I had a hard time getting into the piece from the beginning. It seemed to start out very slowly, and by the time the flashback cuts out, we've really just kind of gone through a recap of another time and place over a phone conversation that really didn't seem to tell anything about the current situation or the fella on the phone. That's about two minutes of time there that seemed all verbal exposition. Could you have skirted by and simply started off at the meeting? Would it have worked without it at all? I'm not sure and just posing questions here. To me, I didn't see a real reason for the phone conversation to transpire before the flashback, or the flashback to be a flashback at all. Those are just thoughts.

Just as well, I like the path that you took to show how he's being taught all of these secrets. Showing how he might learn to aim a weapon, how to blend into his surroundings. A large chunk of time was spent on these two characters interacting in this way, and then I only felt that the Terrorist here had the chance to open up and reveal background, characteristics, things that make him human amidst his silent sinister, if that makes any sense at all. I'm not sure if I really felt the character development (which in 12 minutes, there's a decent amount of time to do so) coming out. Much less in the "spy" at that.

The climax and ending seemed to be rolled into one, not sure if I felt an arc happening here. It all kind of walked a straight line for me up until the death scene, and because I didn't see the Terrorist do much more than kill a bunch of people in the flashback, I couldn't really relate to the need to kill him vengefully. I think, and I am sure I did, I missed some vital information here and I should probably re-watch to find out WHY this guy needed to kill him, personally. There's a line "all the pain you caused" that sings as though the terrorist has done something to him personally. Did I miss something?

There's a few technical details that I felt a bit off, but not wrong. The camera flash sound in the beginning confused me: it seemed like someone was watching and taking pictures of him, but there's no one. It's just an effect to transition from a wide to a medium. As well, near the end when the Terrorist gets poisoned and we're from a worms-eye view (down below or whatever ya call it. teehee) the screen is blurry. Now, I know what effect you were trying to go after, however, the sell seemed to be off. You were shooting from quarter view instead of Point of View. That's totally your choice, and I'm not trying to re-direct your movie. Just saying it didn't feel "right" to me as the viewer.

I like the fact that you went handheld with a lot of stuff. It shows that you can be versatile when you need to be. In your other short, you were on dollys, tripods, etc. Here, you're mostly handheld and that's pretty cool. I also thought a lot of framing and blocking was nice. The shot on the staircase was pretty decent. And so throughout the short. Velly nice.

Another thing that sort of took me out of it was the editing. A larger section or example is when they're in the room and the Terrorist is showing him how to hold a gun. I know what you were going for, or at least I think I do, as you cut between different portions. I think what's jarring is the audio cutting at certain times before he finishes a sentence. Did you need the audio? Could you take it out and those scenes still work the same? Would it work if you snipped the audio at the right times? Those, again, are just questions.

I think my final gathered thoughts are that it probably is about seven minutes too long. To me, there's not enough story here to fill twelve minutes, and we really don't move anywhere from start to finish.

Nice camera work, the acting wasn't horrid, solidly produced IMO.

If anything, perhaps it could benefit from a re-cut? Again, another question.

Thanks for sharing!

Neil Rowe
07-22-2007, 09:33 AM
hey thanks for watching and giving some great feedback for me. i definitely appreciate the input. ill try to give some reasoning for a few of the questions you posed.


"SPOILERS AHEAD


"I have to admit, as well, that I had a hard time getting into the piece from the beginning. It seemed to start out very slowly, and by the time the flashback cuts out, we've really just kind of gone through a recap of another time and place over a phone conversation that really didn't seem to tell anything about the current situation or the fella on the phone. That's about two minutes of time there that seemed all verbal exposition. Could you have skirted by and simply started off at the meeting? Would it have worked without it at all? I'm not sure and just posing questions here. To me, I didn't see a real reason for the phone conversation to transpire before the flashback, or the flashback to be a flashback at all. Those are just thoughts."

..yep its a slow paced film throughout. after reading this i thought about if it would have worked without the opening phone converstion, and flashback and all, but i think it would loose the twist at the end and the history between the agent and the spy, and why that particular agent wanted to be the one who took him out. i dont know, im certain it could be condensed, but im not sure about removing it entirely.


"Just as well, I like the path that you took to show how he's being taught all of these secrets. Showing how he might learn to aim a weapon, how to blend into his surroundings. A large chunk of time was spent on these two characters interacting in this way, and then I only felt that the Terrorist here had the chance to open up and reveal background, characteristics, things that make him human amidst his silent sinister, if that makes any sense at all. I'm not sure if I really felt the character development (which in 12 minutes, there's a decent amount of time to do so) coming out. Much less in the "spy" at that."

..to me, this scene accomplishes a little of what your lookng for, but i cant say that its going to translate to everyone as well, if at all like it did to the guinies who watched it during edits. but it was a 6 minute story stretched to 12. so there was no additional dialog or story behind the segment to really work with although it will be the main portion of the feature im working on as far as relationship built between characters, and i wouldve loved to do more here as well.

" The climax and ending seemed to be rolled into one, not sure if I felt an arc happening here. It all kind of walked a straight line for me up until the death scene, and because I didn't see the Terrorist do much more than kill a bunch of people in the flashback, I couldn't really relate to the need to kill him vengefully. I think, and I am sure I did, I missed some vital information here and I should probably re-watch to find out WHY this guy needed to kill him, personally. There's a line "all the pain you caused" that sings as though the terrorist has done something to him personally. Did I miss something? "

..you definitely missed alot of stuff here. in the opening flashback and phone call, connected with the later flashback and one way conversation from agent to spy on the gound after he drugs him, theres a fairly complete story of the history between the terrorist and the agency.. particularily the specific agent who kills him. without these things i would think the film would seem rather pointless as there is no reasoning to the story, or the twist.. if any twist at all still exists.

"There's a few technical details that I felt a bit off, but not wrong. The camera flash sound in the beginning confused me: it seemed like someone was watching and taking pictures of him, but there's no one. It's just an effect to transition from a wide to a medium. As well, near the end when the Terrorist gets poisoned and we're from a worms-eye view (down below or whatever ya call it. teehee) the screen is blurry. Now, I know what effect you were trying to go after, however, the sell seemed to be off. You were shooting from quarter view instead of Point of View. That's totally your choice, and I'm not trying to re-direct your movie. Just saying it didn't feel "right" to me as the viewer."

...the shot looking up is from an actual POV from where he was lying, but i didnt have the shots all worked out as the director suggested the idea of the POV after i had the original storyboards done. i liked the idea better than what i had so we went with it, but it could have been planned out better for better shot flow. that sequence there is the one that bothers me the most in the film. not really the shots themselves as much as the flow from shot to shot, and the timing of the scene. i spent some time in editing to do what i could, but when it comes down to it, i shouldve just planned the shots better.

"I like the fact that you went handheld with a lot of stuff. It shows that you can be versatile when you need to be. In your other short, you were on dollys, tripods, etc. Here, you're mostly handheld and that's pretty cool. I also thought a lot of framing and blocking was nice. The shot on the staircase was pretty decent. And so throughout the short. Velly nice."

...thanks. my arms were pretty tired at the end of the day cause it was all handheld. i just wanted a simple gritty feeling to it, and let the characters speak for themselves, as norm pointed out though, it was a little too much "handheld" on the wide shots and i wont be doing that again

"Another thing that sort of took me out of it was the editing. A larger section or example is when they're in the room and the Terrorist is showing him how to hold a gun. I know what you were going for, or at least I think I do, as you cut between different portions. I think what's jarring is the audio cutting at certain times before he finishes a sentence. Did you need the audio? Could you take it out and those scenes still work the same? Would it work if you snipped the audio at the right times? Those, again, are just questions."

..it was just scripted as an interesting montage. cant say much more i guess. i think it translates whats going on well. theres no real dialog written for them there untill the conversation.

"I think my final gathered thoughts are that it probably is about seven minutes too long. To me, there's not enough story here to fill twelve minutes, and we really don't move anywhere from start to finish."

..yeah, the cut is long. i know youve missed alot if not all of the intergral story in the piece, but to your point the cut is a long one either way. it was good to work with more time for me though. its something i felt i had to do in order to learn more about characters coming through on screen instead of simply having ideas come through for time constraint sake. and although i didnt fill the time with much deeper content, i was able to practise letting characters breath, and speak for themsleves which is something i felt i needed to work on. i dont think it really made this a better film at all, but im sure its made me a better filmmaker and future films will be better off. so ill readily admit it couldve been shorter, but i would still do it the same way if i had to do it again. :)

thanks again for the feedback. its great to get to know the audience and learn new things about myslef that i can rely on, or improove upon for plans around the bend.