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Ben Sliker
04-16-2007, 08:50 PM
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178752784.jpg

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REFILL - A CLEAN SLATE PRODUCTION

STARRING:
ROB - PAUL SHAW
TYLER - TOM OLSON
JON - DAN BLACK
WAITRESS - MARIE HARTSELL
EXTRAS - TBA

CREW:
DIRECTOR - BEN SLIKER
AD - JESSICA BAKER
CAMERA/DP - JUSTIN KUHN
KEY GRIP - BRAD MATE
COMPOSER - HERMAN WITKAM (http://www.herman-witkam.com)
MAKE-UP - MARIE HARTSELL

WRITTEN BY - BEN SLIKER (w/contributions from Brad Mate, Dan Black, and Justin Kuhn)
PRODUCED BY - BEN SLIKER AND DAN BLACK
CRAFT SERVICES - JACKLOPE JACK'S, BLAIR BLACK, MARIE HARTSELL, BEN SLIKER

SHOT ON LOCATION AT - JACKALOPE JACK'S, BOONEOAKLEY, ERA WILDER REALTY

Ben Sliker
04-16-2007, 08:51 PM
Video Updates And Tests.

CLICK THE PIC TO SEE BEN EXPLODE .... MANY TIMES. (and by that i mean, right click and save, i do have a tb of transfer each month ... but who knows...)
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1176779220.jpg (http://www.benjaminsliker.com/SPYFEST/Slo-Mo%20Finished%20Seq.mov)
(QT h.264, 640x360, 14.2mb)

CLICK ON MY POP'S HEAD TO SEE US SHOOTING OUR PROPS. (or right-click and save) We will be using an unloaded AR-15 as a prop gun, nothing says realism like the real thing.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1177558304.jpg (http://www.benjaminsliker.com/SPYFEST/SHOOTINGFUN.mov)
(QT h.264, 640x360, 8.7mb)

This is all the crazy and nonsensical footage we shot in preparation to shoot "Refill". Right-Click on the turtle and save to see some of the madness.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1179442898.jpg (http://www.benjaminsliker.com/SPYFEST/demofootage.mov)
(QT h.264, 480x270, 16.2mb)

Ben Sliker
04-16-2007, 08:51 PM
PICS AND STUFF.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178751362.jpg (http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178751437.jpg)

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178751381.jpg (http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178751480.jpg)

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178751401.jpg (http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178751503.jpg)

Location Pics.

Note Justin's cool spy moves as he trespasses up the ladder.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1176780977.jpghttp://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1176781000.jpg

Ben Sliker
04-16-2007, 08:53 PM
Grabs and Stuff.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178137198.jpg

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178226945.jpg
********************************************BEN*** ********PAUL*************BRAD**************JUSTIN* ****JESSICA***

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178848070.jpg

cinealma
04-16-2007, 08:58 PM
Nice team you got there. Welcome aboard.

Justin Kuhn
04-16-2007, 09:14 PM
From here there's no turning back. In a world where it's all or nothing, one crew...WILL MAKE THE FILM THAT DEFINES OUR TIME.

EDIT: think of that "trailer voiceover" guy.

xpac84
04-16-2007, 09:27 PM
Nice tagline HappyGobo. I was gonna quit for getting grip instead of key grip but now im back on board

Justin Kuhn
04-16-2007, 10:01 PM
That's hybrid's oversight. If you're the only grip you pretty much are the key grip.

Justin Kuhn
04-16-2007, 10:05 PM
Note Justin's cool spy moves as he trespasses up the ladder.


EVIDENCE! What have you done? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

Brandon Rice
04-17-2007, 12:41 AM
ah guys... been waiting to see something pop up here... glad you're in!

Ben Sliker
04-18-2007, 05:00 PM
thanks b-man.

Updates - Shoot days are the 27th-29th and thanks to Justin, we have the pleasure of shooting on the HVX!

Charli
04-18-2007, 05:35 PM
Good luck!

Norm Sanders
04-19-2007, 11:42 AM
Welcome aboard, Hybrid!

Ben Sliker
04-19-2007, 01:24 PM
thanks alot guys!

norm, sorry to hear it didn't work out on Berlin, but i understand, our dramafest entry had massive setbacks that we couldn't remedy in time.

I'm currently freakin' out about getting all the details and schedule down for next weekend. But we are cast and have a solid crew so i'm pumped. I'll be sure to get some more video updates up soon and of course, a lot of BTS once we start shooting. Hopefully we can snag someone to jocky around my DVX and get some good BTS footy.

Norm Sanders
04-19-2007, 01:33 PM
If I were anywhere near your neck of the woods, I'd love to work the BTS stuff! BTW, saw your slo-motion squib tests ... cool stuff & thanks for sharing!

No worries on BERLIN ... was a tough call indeed, but one I'm glad I made (though I still kick myself daily at the same time). I MAY try & sneek something else in, but only if the right person I've discussed things with comes through or not ... otherwise, I'm not stressing over it & just kind of enjoying the sense of calm I now have, lol.

Ben Sliker
04-19-2007, 02:02 PM
lol, yeah ... how is the other ocean doing?

I guess I could explain those tests a little better, those are actually the old run the tube from the pesticide sprayer blood sprays, but very cheap and very effective. We'll probably use a compressor on the shoot to get accurate PSI through the tube, but hopefully we'll one take it and not have to worry about recreating that scene (not to mention having to buy 2-3-4... who knows how many of the same shirt.)

Ben Sliker
04-21-2007, 09:36 PM
went out and shot some timelapse transition shots tonight with a Nikon D70s, I'm loving this "any camera" rule.

bosindy
04-21-2007, 09:39 PM
Man I love the timelapse done with the Nikon's. Right there your film is going to have something that rocks.

Ben Sliker
04-21-2007, 11:47 PM
thanks bosindy, now we have to make sure our HVX stuff looks as good!

Justin Kuhn
04-24-2007, 09:32 AM
thanks bosindy, now we have to make sure our HVX stuff looks as good!

Implying that I'm capable of shooting bad footage? You're treading on dangerous ground, sir...

Brandon Rice
04-24-2007, 09:37 AM
Good luck on your shoot this weekend man!

Matt Harris
04-24-2007, 11:51 AM
that is too cool. i think im gonna have to cgi my blood because i have no idea how to do it like that.

Ben Sliker
04-24-2007, 12:09 PM
Updates:

Making final prepartions for our shoot for Fri-Sun, have to still go out and buy some key props and such.

Meeting with actors tomorrow to run through script one more time.

Picked up rifle prop, aka real rifle, on monday. Also went shooting on monday/got a safety tutorial from the gun owner (who just happens to be my pops). Have some funny vids from shooting, but will post them tomorrow cause today is my 3 year anniversary with my gf and she'll be home in approx. 1 hour.

Ben Sliker
04-24-2007, 12:10 PM
Implying that I'm capable of shooting bad footage? You're treading on dangerous ground, sir...

THATS ABOUT ENOUGH OUTTA YOU!!!

lol, i'm totally pumped about working with this guy. :thumbsup:

kurtmo
04-25-2007, 06:10 AM
Out of curiosity, how did you do the blood spurts. Some compressed air trick?

Ben Sliker
04-25-2007, 08:23 AM
it's a very simple process involving only 4 parts.

1. A pesticide sprayer (9.99 at home depot)
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1177511906.jpg
2. Some 1/2" clear plastic tubing, water hose also works
3. Some Blood (the test blood we used was from Walmart) I can post a good blood recipe if you want as well.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1177511927.jpg
4. Some Tape (preferable not duct, that will rip off your skin)

Step 1: Remove long sprayer attachment from pesticide sprayer.

Step 2: Cap other end of tubing, but put a 1/2" hole on one of the sides. (this is so it's doesn't spray straight out of the end, and make sure it's kind of a crappy hole, that will help it spray all over the place)
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1177511890.jpg

Step 3: Pump up sprayer like 100-150 times, if your arm hurts from pumping, you are almost there.

Step 4: fill opposite end of tube with blood ... how much is up to you, the biggest ones we did in that vid are about 1/4 full tube.

Step 5: While still holding other end of tube up, attach that opposite end to the sprayer.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1177511862.jpg

Step 6: Tape it to something and Hit the sprayer release ... SPLATOW, blood all over the place, make sure it's some where you don't mind getting messy, we've recorded distances of 30+ feet with our spray.


We've done this with an air compressor before too, but those are a little more expensive to buy. For our zombie flick we had a compressor running at 110 psi and it covered pretty much every square foot of the basement we were working in with blood. The smaller insecticide sprayers only can get up to 35-45 psi. Note that because you are working with a 10 dollar sprayer and pumping it way beyond it's max, there's potential for disaster, we've had a seal break on one ending up with blood all over white curtains ... eek!

Hope that explains it.

kurtmo
04-25-2007, 10:30 AM
Sweet! I gotta build me one of those!!! Thanks for the photos, too. i guess one could use capped large volume pvc pipe and a bike thred/bike pump. I've seen that used for the old spud gun thing!

Ben Sliker
04-25-2007, 09:36 PM
New Video In The Video Updates Section. (2nd post).

Edgen
04-25-2007, 10:30 PM
wew hew!

*goes off to steal your blood splattering secrets*

/j

Ben Sliker
04-26-2007, 05:42 PM
lol edgen, they are actually not my secrets, so i felt i had to share with everyone, but if I see a blood splatter like mine in cristo, i want a "Ben Sliker Rocks" credit at the end.

Ben Sliker
04-29-2007, 07:01 AM
about to start our 3rd and last day of filming. 47 shots down, 8 to go. it's looking awesome so far.

Justin Kuhn
04-29-2007, 07:38 PM
So...we're done. Since this is SpyFest and all, our material and its sensitive nature is designated CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET, but I will tell you all that as the agent operating our visual recording device, I have declared this mission accomplished.

Ben Sliker
04-29-2007, 08:14 PM
lol, justin.

We are wrapped. Spent a large amount of time tonight backing up our footage on to DVDs so in the tragic event anything happens, not all will be lost. Looks like about 45Gbs of 720p24 footage.

Screens/Storyboard comparisons to come soon.

xpac84
04-30-2007, 11:44 AM
Yay on the wrap. Sorry i missed those last two shots. You'll be happy to know your key grip made it back alive to Wisconsin w/o any trouble (e.g. "sheered starters").

Michael_Petro
04-30-2007, 01:15 PM
congrats on the wrap... love you sense of humour. I will be checking out your flick...

Michael_Petro
04-30-2007, 01:21 PM
I have now stolen your plans for the sprayer thers no STOPPING me NOW! bwahahahahaha..

Ben Sliker
04-30-2007, 02:11 PM
Yay on the wrap. Sorry i missed those last two shots. You'll be happy to know your key grip made it back alive to Wisconsin w/o any trouble (e.g. "sheered starters").

that's great bradley, i knew that biplane was clutch.

and here's the webpage i originally found the blood spray manuever. It's a crazy old school website, but has some useful info.

http://www.exposure.co.uk/eejit/blood/index.html

Ben Sliker
05-02-2007, 02:24 PM
put up some grabs in the 4th post.

Matt Harris
05-02-2007, 03:22 PM
Thanks for the tutorial, im gonna have to roll up my sleeves and give it a try.

Ben Sliker
05-03-2007, 03:28 PM
new BTS grabs on the 4th post.

as for production ... im wishing i had 7 min instead of 6.

Justin Kuhn
05-03-2007, 06:34 PM
Nice presentation. I look like such a doof.

Ben Sliker
05-03-2007, 08:39 PM
I look like such a doof.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! lol, jk.

It's been pretty laborious trying to get this down to time. Our script was barely over 5 pages and I could edit this thing out to 9 minutes easy.

My cutting schedule:
6:00PM - 6:53:13
7:45PM - 6:47:22
9:00PM - 6:27:01
9:30PM - 6:22:10
10:10PM - 6:15:10
10:34PM - 6:08:19

I'm soooo close, but it's going to be a rough 8 seconds to cut, plus another 10 for the timelapse transitions that i have planned.

Justin Kuhn
05-03-2007, 09:14 PM
I know the feeling, like cutting off your own fingers.

kurtmo
05-04-2007, 06:14 AM
Arghhhh! I'm at 9 minutes on my rough cut. I gotta feeling I'll be in the same boat as you once I feel like there's nothing else left to trim!

Ben Sliker
05-04-2007, 07:48 AM
In 6 min, most of the time you have to sit down in the editing room and ask yourself "what is this shot doing to progress the story?" Alot of easy cut decisions can be made like that.

I also will be utilizing a 2-3 frame credit sequence at the end; that saves on some space. But alas, i'm still about 10 seconds from where i need to be, but on the good side, cutting down like this has afforded me the opportunity to utlize a couple more cool transitions I hadn't thought of before.

Brandon Rice
05-04-2007, 05:05 PM
Thanks for the grabs dude... lookin' good!

Ben Sliker
05-05-2007, 07:07 PM
Thanks B-man.

I'VE DONE IT!

As now we're sitting at 5:59:21, which leaves us a whopping two frames for a credit sequence and a one frame buffer for the 6 min limit. WHEW.

Now I'm working on my musical styles and temp tracks to give the talented Mr. Witkam some food for thought in his work.

BACK TO THE TIMELINE!

Ben Sliker
05-06-2007, 10:26 PM
alright, showed my first cut under six minutes to Brad and Justin and they gave me some solid feedback, we're getting pretty close to picture lock! It's always good to have more than one pair of eyes on your edit.

Had to shorten our cool ass intro credit sequence but it really freed up time to let some of my other edits breathe a little.

Ted Arabian
05-07-2007, 06:14 AM
Very cool Blood "explosion!" And thanks for the tips on how to do it! That look pretty dang good!

Congrats on the wrap and "screenings." Looking forward to your film.

-Ted

Ben Sliker
05-07-2007, 10:11 AM
YES! Ted posted in our thread, now i really feel included.

Matt Sconce
05-07-2007, 10:19 AM
alright, showed my first cut under six minutes to Brad and Justin and they gave me some solid feedback, we're getting pretty close to picture lock! It's always good to have more than one pair of eyes on your edit.

Had to shorten our cool ass intro credit sequence but it really freed up time to let some of my other edits breathe a little.
Congrats on getting the cut down! We are in that process as well. Lookin good guys!:beer:

Ben Sliker
05-07-2007, 10:27 PM
i was bored while exporting/uploading small and big versions of our PICTURE LOCK!

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178598192.jpg

Ben Sliker
05-09-2007, 09:08 AM
wow, let me say that Mr. Herman Witkam works lightning fast.

along with working out all the kinks with Herman, I'm designing the final poster, refining sound effects, cleaning up dialogue recorded in noisy restaurant, compositing a few effects shots, compositing out some crew cameos, and editing this out to it's full length. I'm starting to think that shooting is the easy part now...

Ben Sliker
05-09-2007, 05:27 PM
here are some storyboard comparisons.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178751437.jpg

Ben Sliker
05-09-2007, 05:28 PM
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178751480.jpg

Ben Sliker
05-09-2007, 05:29 PM
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178751503.jpg

There are also links to these on the first page.

xpac84
05-09-2007, 09:13 PM
You and your mad drawring skills. Let's just go to animated features so i dont have to carry so many heavy things!

Ben Sliker
05-09-2007, 09:18 PM
You and your mad drawring skills.

My name is Simon ... and I like to do DRAW-RINGS!

I just get lucky every once and a while and my scribbles turn out to look like the footage.

Herman Witkam
05-10-2007, 10:41 AM
wow, let me say that Mr. Herman Witkam works lightning fast.

:beer:


along with working out all the kinks with Herman, I'm designing the final poster, refining sound effects, cleaning up dialogue recorded in noisy restaurant, compositing a few effects shots, compositing out some crew cameos, and editing this out to it's full length. I'm starting to think that shooting is the easy part now...

Let me know if you need any help in the sound department.

Ben Sliker
05-10-2007, 07:48 PM
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178848070.jpg

new cast photo collage... yay!

Michael_Petro
05-10-2007, 08:07 PM
man you characters have last names... never thought of that :) better get started on the rewrite............:)

Ben Sliker
05-10-2007, 08:15 PM
i tell ya, names get me all the time.

The first names were easy, but i guess im just detail orientated. A lot of it comes from the environment around me, for instance, Matheson and Minton both come from street names around my townhome.

It was rough, I had to give up on Marie's character, nothing went well after Waitress.

xpac84
05-10-2007, 08:17 PM
How bout Waitress Mcservingstuff. yeah thats a winner. lets reshoot and get this right!

Michael_Petro
05-10-2007, 08:24 PM
How bout Waitress Mcservingstuff. yeah thats a winner. lets reshoot and get this right!

How bout Waitress Getmemydamncoffeeanddontspitinitthistime. That might be a tad long...

Ben Sliker
05-10-2007, 08:26 PM
How bout Waitress Getmemydamncoffeeanddontspitinitthistime. That might be a tad long...

that would never fit on a name tag ...

Michael_Petro
05-10-2007, 08:27 PM
that would never fit on a name tag ...

I was thinking that too...

xpac84
05-10-2007, 08:43 PM
And why would the waitress's name be "get me my coffee". shes the one getting the coffee. Yeah thats right, i did spend all this time analyzing that name. Thats how seriously we take our character names here at Clean Slate Production...

Ben Sliker
05-10-2007, 08:49 PM
And why would the waitress's name be "get me my coffee". shes the one getting the coffee. Yeah thats right, i did spend all this time analyzing that name. Thats how seriously we take our character names here at Clean Slate Production...

I suspect the good Mr. Petro had prior incident involving hazelnut and saliva. :)

Michael_Petro
05-10-2007, 08:58 PM
OK lets say you walk into your nearby breakfast nook and Betty your waitress gets your order of one cup of coffee. For some reason she does not like you.. so you dont get your coffee. then you say hey Betty would you please bring me my coffee. She appears offended and hocks some lung butter into your cup. then pours your coffee of course you see this and promptly tell here to get you a new cup.. she again does not bring it. So here comes the name change.. also you are rather unhappy at this time hence the grammatical mis-speak.. so her new name is Getmemydamncoffeeanddontspitinitthistime. Although explaining this backstory might be a little much for a 6 min film... And thats how serious i am about naming at Phoenixbutterflyflims :beer:

xpac84
05-10-2007, 09:00 PM
Touche good sir...that will all be in the longer cut. We'll give you a credit.

Michael_Petro
05-10-2007, 09:00 PM
I suspect the good Mr. Petro had prior incident involving hazelnut and saliva. :)

actually french vanilla and lung butter :) while it sounds good on the surface it can be a horrifyingly lethal combo.

Ben Sliker
05-11-2007, 06:55 PM
Your Order's up Mr. Petro -

One Loogie free screen grab of coffee...

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178931614.jpg

Ben Sliker
05-13-2007, 08:27 PM
Has been a quiet Mother's Day weekend for "refill".

Will hopefully have to corrected grabs section here soon, you guys can help me pick which ones look best.

Ben Sliker
05-14-2007, 05:50 PM
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1179186257.jpg

ALRIGHT, AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION TIME!

I've been messing around with a lot of looks, so who know if I'll even use one of these, but let me know which one you like best.

Pick:

Original - LEAVE IT ALONE!
OPTION 1 - Warm colors filter with a bit of white diffusion.
OPTION 2 - Tweaked Bleach Bypass with slight Sepia.
OPTION 3 - Green and Yellow filters with slight black diffusion.
OPTION 4 - Blue and Black Filters mixed 50% with original with bleach and diffusion.

Matt Sconce
05-14-2007, 05:51 PM
I like Original but brightened a bit. If not original...Option 2 is my choice for that gritty feel.

Brandon Rice
05-14-2007, 05:52 PM
Option 2 or 4... leaning more toward 4... I like it.

Hope you got that SR DVD Ben.

Ben Sliker
05-14-2007, 06:01 PM
Hope you got that SR DVD Ben.

Just so happen to have got it in the mail today. thanks buddy!

Matt Harris
05-14-2007, 06:09 PM
the original looks like a digital still from an hvx. option #2 looks like its from a real professional movie. thats my 2 cents.

Ben Sliker
05-14-2007, 09:05 PM
i agree, the bleach bypass does give it that lock stock or snatch look, i still have to decide whether or not it fits the piece as a whole.

Then again, I could go for a "grainy" type film look, but i've done a few compression tests ... and most if not all of that grain goes away

Matt Harris
05-14-2007, 09:17 PM
im begging you. lock stock is a dope english gangster film that borders on spyness and oozes with coolness. dont overthink the mood of REFILL, just make it look grainy contrasty & cool! you'll have my vote.

Ted Arabian
05-15-2007, 07:03 AM
I like Option #2 but it takes out the definition of the guys shirt. If you can find a way to bring back a bit of detail, I'd go with that.

Ben Sliker
05-15-2007, 08:50 AM
im begging you. lock stock is a dope english gangster film that borders on spyness and oozes with coolness. dont overthink the mood of REFILL, just make it look grainy contrasty & cool! you'll have my vote.

shoot, i don't think we'll have time to ADR all those cool british accents in! lol. Thanks for the input defcon, I totally feel what you are saying.


I like Option #2 but it takes out the definition of the guys shirt. If you can find a way to bring back a bit of detail, I'd go with that.

Yeah that sucks, what's the use of carefully placing some backlighting if you are just going to blow it out with a filter in post. Thanks Ted!

Michael_Petro
05-15-2007, 09:23 AM
man i missed this... bet its cold now... got a fresh one?


Your Order's up Mr. Petro -

One Loogie free screen grab of coffee...

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1178931614.jpg

Michael_Petro
05-15-2007, 09:28 AM
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1179186257.jpg

ALRIGHT, AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION TIME!

I've been messing around with a lot of looks, so who know if I'll even use one of these, but let me know which one you like best.

Pick:

Original - LEAVE IT ALONE!
OPTION 1 - Warm colors filter with a bit of white diffusion.
OPTION 2 - Tweaked Bleach Bypass with slight Sepia.
OPTION 3 - Green and Yellow filters with slight black diffusion.
OPTION 4 - Blue and Black Filters mixed 50% with original with bleach and diffusion.


number 2 but it depends on the feel of the movie...

Matt Harris
05-15-2007, 09:30 AM
just go with your gut. its true that if you punch up the contrast you may be losing detail like ted suggested. However im always a big proponent of the overall "look" and "vibe" of your movie, im sure whatever you do will be cool.

actually as i re-look at your options, #3 is really cool too, and it maintains the detail in the shirt. ah decisions decisions!

Ben Sliker
05-15-2007, 11:22 AM
man i missed this... bet its cold now... got a fresh one?

it's not cold ... but it looks a little different.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1179249751.jpg

Mark T. Aro
05-15-2007, 11:38 AM
ALRIGHT, AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION TIME!

I've been messing around with a lot of looks, so who know if I'll even use one of these, but let me know which one you like best.

Pick:

Original - LEAVE IT ALONE!
OPTION 1 - Warm colors filter with a bit of white diffusion.
OPTION 2 - Tweaked Bleach Bypass with slight Sepia.
OPTION 3 - Green and Yellow filters with slight black diffusion.
OPTION 4 - Blue and Black Filters mixed 50% with original with bleach and diffusion.
I like the direction of the face and BG on 4 and the shirt on 1. You might want to do the CC in seperate passes.

Michael_Petro
05-15-2007, 12:58 PM
Now that is a TASTY looking cup of joe..


it's not cold ... but it looks a little different.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1179249751.jpg

Matt Harris
05-15-2007, 01:03 PM
Yum, looks like Soylent Green Tea.

Matt Harris
05-15-2007, 01:05 PM
Mark how exactly do you cc on different passes? I mean i do that also,
for instance i'll do some cc in FCP and then some more cc in MOTION.
Is that what you meant? Or do you have a "method" you can share?

Michael_Petro
05-15-2007, 01:24 PM
Yum, looks like Soylent Green Tea.


hahahahaha..

Ben Sliker
05-15-2007, 01:31 PM
I think he means trying to do all the color correcting and filters in one pass can get messy, so if you separate them, you get a cleaner image.

Matt Harris
05-15-2007, 01:36 PM
OK i gotcha.

Mark T. Aro
05-15-2007, 02:23 PM
Mark how exactly do you cc on different passes? I mean i do that also,
for instance i'll do some cc in FCP and then some more cc in MOTION.
Is that what you meant? Or do you have a "method" you can share?


SURE... I can share a few tips! It is sometimes referred to as secondary color correction. That is where if I want to change someones eye color or shirt or anything really, I would create an animated selection, usually with a soft-edge or feather and I would just do color corrections or tweak in that area. It is really quite amazing how nice you can get something to look by using this method. Another thing that you can do is do your color correction and let's say you like the shirt in the original footage best, but everything else looks good with this new color correction pass, well then you select the area that you don't wan't to change and then invert your selection so it changes everything but the shirt.

you can do it on one level or you can do many layers deep, but what I typically do is an overall first pass and then I get that to a place that I like and then I go in and mess with the things that either didn't work in this pass or that need more of something... more saturation, less saturation, etc.... and WHOALA! Secondary color correction.

A lot of it depends on the software that you use. Combustion and AE (I think) have the built in ability to do this really effectively, I believe that the Magic Bullet software has something that does a real good job, then there are plug-ins for various editing systems and whatnot, that can do it too. however, if you are using Premiere Pro2 and FCP and you can't get anything else, well you can do it in there as well, but it may require you to create masks and duplicate layers. This is more time consuming, but the end result is quite impressive. If you want a doorway to be really darkened, but the rest of the shot to not be, then it is just a matter of selecting or masking that area and messing with LEVELS, BRIGHTNESS AND CONTRAST or any number of features built into most programs.

PremierePro 2 and FCP both have really nice three-way color correctors. you can do a lot with them. Granted if you are only using these packages then you are doing it manually, but if you are only talking a short, then it is much more feasible. however, you don't want to go this way if you are doing a feature, the are tools with sophisticated tracking and masking that will make your life much more tolerable on a large scale.

Mark T. Aro
05-15-2007, 02:28 PM
Check out:

http://www.synthetic-ap.com/

for Color finnesse 2... it is a really nice color corrector that is a stand-alone package as well as a plug-in for AE, Preimiere and FCP...

I have heard good things about it.

M

Matt Harris
05-15-2007, 02:39 PM
Oh i get it, it sounds like masking stuff in photoshop only youre doing it with video.
I gotta learn that, that sounds far more precise than what i was thinking.

Mark T. Aro
05-15-2007, 03:41 PM
Oh i get it, it sounds like masking stuff in photoshop only youre doing it with video.
I gotta learn that, that sounds far more precise than what i was thinking.

Yes it is just like PS...

It is not as precise as it sound..... you use shapes that are close and then feather the edges... that way you don't have to be dead on accurate... just close. When the images are in motion it really doesn't have to be exact. however, if you have a decent tracker and a way to KEY/SELECT a color, well... this will make it loads easier. I often use my keyer (diamond Keyer in Combustion) as a selection tool. There are many ways to do it and it is sooooo worth any effort that you may put into it.

Matt Harris
05-15-2007, 04:17 PM
That makes total sense. i cant wait to see your final product. great now i gotta go learn something else. just when i thought i was catching up.

Mark T. Aro
05-15-2007, 05:08 PM
That makes total sense. i cant wait to see your final product. great now i gotta go learn something else. just when i thought i was catching up.

Nah... it is not that big of a deal. There are a lot of really nice VFX that anyone can do. The best way to do it is in small doses adding something new each time. Most of it is pretty straight forward, the key is just breaking it into bitesize chunks. Around here we always say... "How do you eat an elephant... One bite at a time!" I know it is a bit cheesy, but it works quite well. Let me know if you go this direction and need some guidance somewhere along the line (if you get stuck of course).

M

Charli
05-15-2007, 05:11 PM
Actually, that look like tea with a scoop of fiber, or a scoop of algae. Okay, it was gross.

Ben Sliker
05-15-2007, 07:59 PM
thanks for all the input people!

Mark, i know exactly what you mean, I'm working on a couple of layered effects for REFILL, the nice thing is you can change any of the layers without having to start all over again!

Keystoned
05-16-2007, 01:09 AM
Lovin' the storyboard comparissons and BTS!

:beer:

Ben Sliker
05-16-2007, 09:33 AM
alright! someone liked the storyboard comps! I was wondering if anyone was going to say anything.

Thanks Keystoned!

Ben Sliker
05-17-2007, 12:01 AM
alright, took some time and edited out a long version tonight, coming in at a hefty 7:55 without credits.

alright ... a script barely over 5 pages equals roughly 8 and 1/2 minutes ... i'll keep that in mind for next time.

Ben Sliker
05-17-2007, 05:10 PM
NEW VIDEO UPDATE!

Well ... not really new, this is all the crazy and nonsensical footage we shot in preparation to shoot "Refill". Right-Click on the turtle and save to see some of the madness.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1179442898.jpg (http://www.benjaminsliker.com/SPYFEST/demofootage.mov)
(QT h.264, 480x270, 16.2mb)



AND IF YOU DIDN'T SEE THE OTHER VIDEO UPDATES.

CLICK THE PIC TO SEE BEN EXPLODE .... MANY TIMES. (and by that i mean, right click and save, i do have a tb of transfer each month ... but who knows...)
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1176779220.jpg (http://www.benjaminsliker.com/SPYFEST/Slo-Mo%20Finished%20Seq.mov)
(QT h.264, 640x360, 14.2mb)

CLICK ON MY POP'S HEAD TO SEE US SHOOTING OUR PROPS. (or right-click and save) We will be using an unloaded AR-15 as a prop gun, nothing says realism like the real thing.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1177558304.jpg (http://www.benjaminsliker.com/SPYFEST/SHOOTINGFUN.mov)
(QT h.264, 640x360, 8.7mb)

Justin Kuhn
05-19-2007, 03:20 PM
NEW VIDEO UPDATE!
Right-Click on the turtle and save to see some of the madness.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1179442898.jpg (http://www.benjaminsliker.com/SPYFEST/demofootage.mov)
(QT h.264, 480x270, 16.2mb)



Splinter taught them to be ninja teens...

Ben Sliker
05-22-2007, 08:04 PM
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1179885231.jpg
1. SETTING UP THE SHOT: NOTE "SHOVEL DOLLY HANDLE"
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1179885284.jpg
2. Ben: "I HOPE THIS ENDS UP LOOKING HOW IT DID IN MY HEAD"
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1179885249.jpg
3. DAN "I THINK I JUST GOT SHOT" BLACK
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1179885268.jpg
4. Either it's really bright out or someone blew some serious ass by Ben and Brad.

CAPTION CHALLENGE: THE PERSON WHO COMES UP WITH THE BEST/FUNNIEST CAPTION FOR ANY OF THESE 4 BTS PICTURES WILL GET A DVD OF THE LONG CUT OF "REFILL" OR SPYFEST DVD (if it happens). (must be minimum 10 total entries from seperate users for prize to be awarded, captions will be judged by the creators of REFILL.)

Keystoned
05-22-2007, 08:53 PM
hey this is looking pretty fun :beer:

Ben Sliker
05-22-2007, 09:51 PM
it was a friggin' blast, i was exhausted after the 3 days, but I really think we came out with some quality stuff.

xpac84
05-23-2007, 04:02 PM
caption #2: now where did i leave my actors...?

Ben Sliker
05-23-2007, 04:07 PM
lol, brad, im not giving you the prize ...

Matt Sconce
05-23-2007, 04:58 PM
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1179885268.jpg
"Got Fart?"

Ben Sliker
05-23-2007, 06:34 PM
predictable, yet clever msconce, you hold the prestige of being in first place of one entry.
:beer:

xpac84
05-23-2007, 08:57 PM
lol, brad, im not giving you the prize ...

thats bs. i want to win!

Ben Sliker
05-24-2007, 05:09 PM
thats bs. i want to win!

No, I'm BS, and I say you can't win .... BURN.

but seriously ... no other takers? Man ... can't even give stuff away on this thread...

xpac84
05-24-2007, 08:30 PM
*taps mic* this thing on? Tough crowd...

Matt Harris
05-24-2007, 08:37 PM
I'm stumped. I think msconce summed it up because all the frames look like someone is smelling the worst fart ever.

Michael_Petro
05-24-2007, 08:54 PM
Seriously, she just didn't throw that tampon at me.. thats Freakin gross!
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1179885249.jpg


//I am sooo sorry

Ben Sliker
05-25-2007, 10:55 AM
And Petro comes off the top ropes with the grossest comment of the thread. congrats my friend.

Matt Harris
05-25-2007, 11:02 AM
Thats a good one! bloody disgusting though. Pun intended.

Michael_Petro
05-25-2007, 11:13 AM
so do i win :)

Ben Sliker
05-25-2007, 06:03 PM
that's a strong maybe ...

Michael_Petro
05-25-2007, 11:32 PM
sweet a strong maybe.. reminds me of a girl I dated once:beer:

JOE BLO
05-26-2007, 11:29 AM
Nice BTS. I'm jealous of the car mount.

Ben Sliker
05-26-2007, 12:52 PM
Nice BTS. I'm jealous of the car mount.

yes, that thing was awesome, it's rated for like 200 mph, we were pretty nervous about anything over 50.

Matt Harris
05-26-2007, 09:17 PM
i missed the info on what car mount you guys used, im really looking for something like that, can you tell me again?

Justin Kuhn
05-26-2007, 09:25 PM
It was a Sticky Pod Director package. It's short by two knuckles, last time I checked; to achieve certain positions you need a knuckle on each end of all three "legs." It only ships with four.

spidey
05-27-2007, 06:46 AM
what goes it kuhn.

Ben Sliker
05-27-2007, 02:21 PM
Got the final score back from Herman yesterday, and it's awesome, i really think he's truly capable of reproducing any musical style.

Tightening up the sound and visual effects and then we're done!

Justin Kuhn
05-27-2007, 07:16 PM
Yo hyler thanks for checking in

spidey
05-27-2007, 08:01 PM
well i might as well support someone. :_D whens this viewing sh!t start.

Justin Kuhn
05-27-2007, 11:16 PM
Word. Wednesday I guess? And what's up with your sig, are you animating it yourself or do you have an animator hidden up one of your voluminous sleeves?

Herman Witkam
05-28-2007, 05:54 AM
Got the final score back from Herman yesterday, and it's awesome, i really think he's truly capable of reproducing any musical style.

Thanks Ben. I never tried composing any breakbeat-orientated triphop-speed-metal with violins though :beer:

Michael_Petro
05-28-2007, 06:23 AM
Thanks Ben. I never tried composing any breakbeat-orientated triphop-speed-metal with violins though :beer:

my head just exploded

Justin Kuhn
05-28-2007, 08:34 PM
breakbeat-orientated triphop-speed-metal with violins

I'd like to hear some of that.

Ben Sliker
05-28-2007, 08:38 PM
it's money, that's for sure.

Ben Sliker
05-29-2007, 06:37 AM
So i'm out in the middle of downtown charlotte getting the last timelapse transition shot that I needed this morning ...

the best part about shooting timelapse from a parking lot is the looks you get from people... like you camped out all night just to snag a picture of them pulling up in their toyota camry. I had one lady stare at me for like 5 min sipping at her starbucks like i was a caged animal.

"Yeah sure lady ... i've only been here for an hour and a half and taken 959 pictures, i was waiting for you to show up ... NOW GET OUT OF MY F-ING SHOT."

lol, it was fun. :) (except for the getting up at 5:20 AM part ... that was not fun.)

Ben Sliker
05-30-2007, 04:28 PM
exporting ... yahoo!

Matt Sconce
05-30-2007, 04:30 PM
Congrats!

Ben Sliker
05-30-2007, 05:18 PM
thanks matt, hope you guys make it in time!

Matt Sconce
05-30-2007, 05:26 PM
thanks matt, hope you guys make it in time!

Thanks! Me Too!:huh:

Ben Sliker
05-30-2007, 06:49 PM
hmmm ... now to choose a screen grab that "best identifies" our entire film ...

Ben Sliker
05-30-2007, 11:53 PM
excellent, we are uploaded, hope everyone enjoys it!

Herman Witkam
05-31-2007, 08:34 AM
nice :beer:

Ben Sliker
05-31-2007, 09:13 AM
Herman, I think it'll be a weird experience for you watching the final cut versus the one you been watching over and over again to score off of.

It's nice not to have to freak out about stuff last minute, but now i've jinxed myself and Larry_R will send my film back to me with a "fix it bitch" post-it attached to it.

Larry Rutledge
05-31-2007, 12:33 PM
Better yet, I won't send it back and I'll ban you instead!http://freeweb.supereva.com/esorciccio2002/smilies/ban.gif







:evil: HA HA ok....I won't ban you (but I can't guarantee I won't send the film back, haven't reviewed it yet)

Ben Sliker
05-31-2007, 01:04 PM
ooooo ... Larry ... that was harsh.

I upload early and write a tutorial for compression and this is the thanks i get ... things sure have changed around here at dvxuser.:zombie_smiley:

lol, jk Larry, we all appreciate the amount of work you guys put in to make these fests possible.:dankk2:

Ben Sliker
05-31-2007, 09:58 PM
anyone uploading with 1 min to go?

EDIT: well ... on the east coast ...

Matt Harris
05-31-2007, 10:00 PM
dont freak me out! i still have til midnight cali time!

Ben Sliker
06-01-2007, 08:30 AM
excellent, uploaded, AND ACCEPTED!

Norm Sanders
06-03-2007, 06:31 PM
Congrats, Ben, looking forward to watching your film sometime tomorrow. I know what you mean about the frame grab ... I didn't see that rule until the very last minute, which was about the same time I saw that we had to have a poster as well! Augh!

Ben Sliker
06-03-2007, 07:36 PM
Hey, thanks alot Norm, I'm interested to see how your filtering works out. It's a bold move.

As for Refill, I'm digging into a longer cut right now, Mr. Witkam agreed to help us out on the score side, got a couple June 15th festival dates. eek!

Keystoned
06-03-2007, 11:08 PM
I have my coffee cup ready :cheesy:
Looking forward to to it. Hooked by the idea of how coffee, spies or spying, and guns go together in your story.

Justin Kuhn
06-04-2007, 12:17 AM
It's based on how I once had to kill a man who brought me a horrible cup of coffee. True story!

Michael Anthony Horrigan
06-04-2007, 08:07 AM
It's based on how I once had to kill a man who brought me a horrible cup of coffee. True story!

I'm doing the same movie next, but it's a chocolate shake with bits of Strawberry shake at the bottom, courtesy of McDonald's.

;)

Ben Sliker
06-04-2007, 08:36 AM
oh justin, you're so dramatic. He was actually at the Starbucks and had to ask for a second squirt of whipped cream on his Grande Decaf Mocha Chocalate Part-Skim Latte. When they said no, Justin paid to get one. True story!

And after only a month a half someone gives a 5-star thread rating. YES!!!

Michael_Petro
06-04-2007, 01:23 PM
liked this one real good... the actors really pulled it off for me..... also its good to know that i'm not the only one to get crap on my lense:)

Ben Sliker
06-04-2007, 01:53 PM
thanks mike, after about 15 takes of the same shot, sometimes you miss wiping off the lens.

Michael_Petro
06-04-2007, 01:54 PM
thanks mike, after about 15 takes of the same shot, sometimes you miss wiping off the lens.

your all cool kick ass... 22 monitor NOOOOOOOO

Ben Sliker
06-04-2007, 03:22 PM
i have no idea what you just said mike.

-zach-
06-04-2007, 03:26 PM
here's my opinion-

There's a great car shot in the beginning. I really liked the dialogue, pretty witty and engaging. The cinematography in this one is very smart and professional. I'm also very jealous of your sniper rifle. Execution, Acting, Effects, anything that starts with a vowel you pretty much nailed as well.

So there's my 5 sentence review, I hope you took away alot from it, and know that I plan to steal your squib setup in the near future. Thanks!

Michael Anthony Horrigan
06-04-2007, 03:49 PM
Nice work! Interesting characters...

Nice effect work as well.
Loved the ending!

Mike

Justin Kuhn
06-04-2007, 04:03 PM
oh justin, you're so dramatic. He was actually at the Starbucks and had to ask for a second squirt of whipped cream on his Grande Decaf Mocha Chocalate Part-Skim Latte. When they said no, Justin paid to get one. True story!

And after only a month a half someone gives a 5-star thread rating. YES!!!

You make fun, but I have a terrible secret. It was I who rated the thread! BWAHAHAHA!

Ben Sliker
06-04-2007, 04:08 PM
You make fun, but I have a terrible secret. It was I who rated the thread! BWAHAHAHA!

Well, if you can't feel good about yourself, who can you feel good about?

Ben Sliker
06-04-2007, 04:11 PM
zach and kyser,

Really appreciate the kind words, lots of blood, sweat, and ... (ok, you got me, i cried) went into the making of this. And nothing says felony like bringing a real sniper rifle into a hotel room. he he he. :)

Michael_Petro
06-04-2007, 05:01 PM
i have no idea what you just said mike.

I was drunk sorry....

You make this kick ass shot.. then you watch it on your 22 inch monitor and your like OO crap A spot........

I'll try to type better next time.... :beer:

Ben Sliker
06-04-2007, 05:10 PM
rofl, thanks mike!

Mike@AF
06-05-2007, 03:47 AM
I thought the dialogue was pretty witty and the acting was decent. The scopes for the guns looked fantastic. And the car shot really makes me want to get a car rig. Some good effects thrown in there as well. Only problem was that I didn't understand why he blew up the assassin and then why he was killed. Maybe I just missed it?

Ben Sliker
06-05-2007, 06:38 AM
I tried not to get into too much back story and confuse things, but here's the short of it.

Tyler is the crazy guy with the hawaiian shirts, he hires hitmen.

Rob thinks he being hired to kill the guy who Tyler wants dead.

In reality, Jon and Tyler set up Rob up because he's actually the target. Yes, it's a big elaborate plan and they could have just shot him, but then the story wouldn't be half as fun. In a nutshell, Jon fakes his own death and then blows up the hotel Rob is in, I mean, what else are assassins supposed to do for fun?

Michael_Petro
06-05-2007, 09:33 AM
OMG they say my movies confusing... :beer: /jk


I tried not to get into too much back story and confuse things, but here's the short of it.

Tyler is the crazy guy with the hawaiian shirts, he hires hitmen.

Rob thinks he being hired to kill the guy who Tyler wants dead.

In reality, Jon and Tyler set up Rob up because he's actually the target. Yes, it's a big elaborate plan and they could have just shot him, but then the story wouldn't be half as fun. In a nutshell, Jon fakes his own death and then blows up the hotel Rob is in, I mean, what else are assassins supposed to do for fun?

Ben Sliker
06-05-2007, 10:16 AM
you best be kidding petro, you could be next. lol.

The main thing that I wanted to put across with this one, is that the details don't really matter, this is Jon and Tyler's oppourtunity to f*ck with a noob assassin who thinks he knows what he's doing.

Hootzie
06-05-2007, 10:25 AM
I found this movie very entertaining. I loved the concept of the film and the look of the whole thing. I especially enjoyed the sniper rifle, the scope shots and the reaction shot of Jon being shot....great work there.

A couple of things I felt detracted from the overall impact of the film.
The dialogue was a little wonky....Tyler doesn't really sell the fact that he would say some of the things he says....some of the cussing came across a little forced.
Okay...I don't even believe I noticed this and it bothered me, but I did.....Rob's ties. Striped tie in the beginning and then he wears the olive green tie for the rest of the flick.....felt a little weird to me. I know he must have more than one tie, but it felt like he just went right into the job from the coffee shop. Also, when he is on the roof with the camera, his tie is all whomperjawed and then when he stands up and walks away it's ok.
Lastly.....is he drinking scotch before he shoots the guy? I didn't get it. LOVED the shot through the glass with scotch in it, but didn't seem to fit the idea.

Ben Sliker
06-05-2007, 11:53 AM
Hootzie, appreciate all your feedback, I'm really glad you found it entertaining.

Here's some more explanation to perhaps tie up some loose ends for you.

The ties ... along with the timelapses sort of symbolize a passing of time. So it's not like they meet for breakfast, he gets killed at lunch and then tyler meets john in the afternoon. Three ties ... three different days. get it? And if you want to further dive into the character with me, it's "his thing", he's black pants, white shirt all the time, the only thing that changes is his tie, black and blue for the metting, green for investigation, and of course, red for killing days.

It sucks that you thought the dialogue was wonky, I know a lot of people liked it, it's hard to immediately establish character, so when I watch these, I give the filmmaker the benefit of the doubt that that character is who he is, and don't have to have too much explanation about where they came from or who they are. Did you believe it was poor casting? What kind of person would swear about coffee and speak in metaphors?

And he is drinking something before he shoots Jon, What it is? Who cares. What he is drinking isnt important, but that he's being methodical and taking his time setting up for the shot. I could have purposely placed a recognizable liquid there to say a lot of things - water - he's all business, hard liquor - he's a drunk or he's calming some nerves - wine - he's a classy assassin, who knows. I chose to make it an ambiguous liquid cause it doesn't play a part in grand scheme of things.

Thanks again for watching!

chris f
06-05-2007, 01:04 PM
Standard Disclaimer: I've yet to see a bad film so far in this fest. Congratulations to every film maker, everyone did a great job. All my comments and criticisms are meant to be constructive and helpful and in no way am I trying to take anything away from what you accomplished.

Good: Good story, another plot twist I didn't see coming. That sniper rifle looked super real. Really liked the gun shot. Liked how the guy could never get a refill.

Not as Good: Some of the shots didn't seem that necessary (timelapses, etc.). Didn't really buy that the guy would shoot someone in the restaurant and just walk off without anyone noticing.

Ben Sliker
06-05-2007, 04:03 PM
thanks chris f,

i think this will be like the 7th time I said it now that it was a real gun. We are just crazy and brought it to the 19th floor of a hotel. he he he.

Again, I feel the timelapses, not only looked cool, but showed that this didn't happen all in one day.

I'm glad our story was engaging for you, we're constantly trying to work towards an apex of good technical filmmaking and storytelling.

:dankk2: for watching and commenting

AmyO
06-05-2007, 05:14 PM
Fun flick, guys. Tyler was awesome. I just sat there looking at him and couldn't help but come up with a backstory for him: He's an ex-Microsoft techie who retired a multi-billionaire and now hires hitmen to take out those who annoy him. He just seemed so dorky and socially awkward, yet had an air of entitlement and was quite comfortable in his Hawaiian shirts - err, skin. Top notch camera work and great locations just added to an original story. Nice job.

Matt Harris
06-05-2007, 05:21 PM
very fun. i was actually bummed when the main guy died because he was pretty cool. explosion vfx were a tad weak but im noone to speak because i cant do better. sniper rifle was awesome. i liked how the annoying guy got shot at the end, under the table like han solo did greedo in the cantina. cool!

Ben Sliker
06-05-2007, 06:11 PM
AmyO, I'm glad our character inspired you, you pretty much nailed the character with your backstory, lol.

Defcon, thanks for the critique on the vfx, that shot went through a lot of different looks before i settled with that, it's going to take a lot of meticulous work to make it better, work that would have taken up time to polish off the rest of the film, and made my eyes bulge out of my head. And our scene was a little Han-esque ... hmm ... shows we all have a little star wars in us.

Thanks a bunch for watching and commenting.

Hootzie
06-05-2007, 06:20 PM
Hootzie, appreciate all your feedback, I'm really glad you found it entertaining.

Here's some more explanation to perhaps tie up some loose ends for you.

The ties ... along with the timelapses sort of symbolize a passing of time. So it's not like they meet for breakfast, he gets killed at lunch and then tyler meets john in the afternoon. Three ties ... three different days. get it? And if you want to further dive into the character with me, it's "his thing", he's black pants, white shirt all the time, the only thing that changes is his tie, black and blue for the metting, green for investigation, and of course, red for killing days.

It sucks that you thought the dialogue was wonky, I know a lot of people liked it, it's hard to immediately establish character, so when I watch these, I give the filmmaker the benefit of the doubt that that character is who he is, and don't have to have too much explanation about where they came from or who they are. Did you believe it was poor casting? What kind of person would swear about coffee and speak in metaphors?

And he is drinking something before he shoots Jon, What it is? Who cares. What he is drinking isnt important, but that he's being methodical and taking his time setting up for the shot. I could have purposely placed a recognizable liquid there to say a lot of things - water - he's all business, hard liquor - he's a drunk or he's calming some nerves - wine - he's a classy assassin, who knows. I chose to make it an ambiguous liquid cause it doesn't play a part in grand scheme of things.

Thanks again for watching!

I suppose it was a casting issue, though I loved his performance. I don't think the dialogue was very refined perhaps.
The ties thing bugged me but I suppose I see your point.
It does matter what he was drinking because it tells us a lot about the character and I didn't know why he would be drinking hard liquor before a sniper shot.

Ben Sliker
06-05-2007, 06:24 PM
Cool hootzie, I see where you are going with the drink thing, but I'm saying it's an unindentifiable drink because it means nothing, it, in fact, marks the passage of time by being less and less full instead of saying something about the character.

Thanks for thinking in-depth about this stuff. Appreciate the view and comments!

aFox
06-06-2007, 01:17 AM
Although some people are killed, this one really feels like a "feel good" movie. Great cast, great filming. I totally enjoyed how the guys is killed in the end and the killer then asks for a refill for him, hehe :)

Ben Sliker
06-06-2007, 04:53 AM
I appreciate it aFox, i really think the mood that you are talking about is set up by the one Mr. Herman Witkam, he did a great job in creating a whole new vibe with his music. I think this could have been a completely different movie had it been scored differently.

-zach-
06-06-2007, 09:44 AM
I've watched this several times, and every time, I crack up at the Helen Keller line. I even got my brother to watch this, which is a big thing. I agree with aFox, it's a fun experience. I wish it was a little longer, or some sort of bigger movie, so you could flesh out some of the characters more.

My one criticism is that Tyler's dialogue was almost Tarantino-wannabe. I love the dialogue in this one, it's one of the reasons why it was in my top two. But "And spoil my metaphor?" was really the only thing that took me out of the movie. It seemed like a presentation of "Look at all the funny euphemisms I know!"

But, I could be entirely wrong, just telling you all this from a completely imho view.

Ben Sliker
06-06-2007, 11:50 AM
zach, i actually really appreciate the in-depth feedback, it helps me out a lot more than "i liked the story and characters and dialogue, oh my". I'll dive a little more into my thought process and maybe it'll help out yours!

At times, my dialogue isn't as focused as it should be, so i can see how it may come across as a Tarantino rip-off, but Tyler was my pet this time around, I really tried to develop an interesting and complex character in only 6 min, and I think he came across well.

The line "And spoil my metaphor?" was a difficult one because unless you are paying close attention, the line is difficult to process. I wanted Tyler to dominate this conversation, so Rob challenges him and Tyler gets upset because he threatens to overtake the convo. Tyler's verbage and metaphor use are very important to him, that's why he defends them.

Again, I really appreciate the in-depth analysis, even if it was for one line, it gives me a forum to explain what I was thinkinh when writing. And thanks for putting us in your top two!

Ben

-zach-
06-06-2007, 02:55 PM
The line "And spoil my metaphor?" was a difficult one because unless you are paying close attention, the line is difficult to process. I wanted Tyler to dominate this conversation, so Rob challenges him and Tyler gets upset because he threatens to overtake the convo. Tyler's verbage and metaphor use are very important to him, that's why he defends them.
This explanation actually clears it up for me. I was also talking about how you have the pope line, then you have beating off in public... etc, each time he said something shocking, it hit less harder each time. Like, you grab me with the pope line. And then, it gradually gets less and less engaging, almost like you know what's coming next. Now, I've watched it a couple of times, so I DO know what's coming next, but I specifically remember that feeling when watching it the first time.


...so Rob challenges him and Tyler gets upset because he threatens to overtake the convo.
This part of your response was what really cleared it up. I don't know if you've seen Pirates 3 or not, but I'm assuming you have, it's like in the beginning when Gibbs is talking about the "green flash". Right when Gibbs gets to the juicy part, Pintel interrupts and spoils it. Then Gibbs shoots him a look like, "You ruined my exposition...RRRR," because Gibbs is the king of exposition in those movies.

One of the reasons Refill is in my favorites is because of the dialogue. I like the ping pong back and forth, and there's been some DramaFest about people's reviews lately, so thank you for not taking my criticism as a diss. Remember I'm just a person on the internet.

Ben Sliker
06-06-2007, 03:01 PM
it was definitely constructive criticism!

We kind of set out to have a little bit of everything in this one. Strong convo between characters, little bit of action, character arcs and 3 complete acts. It's hard to do it in 6 min, that's for sure.

-zach-
06-06-2007, 03:07 PM
it was definitely constructive criticism!

We kind of set out to have a little bit of everything in this one. Strong convo between characters, little bit of action, character arcs and 3 complete acts. It's hard to do it in 6 min, that's for sure.

I can definitely see it as a feature. That's what it felt like to me. Atleast a near feature short. I don't know if you'd want to invest that much time in it, but it felt longer, like I'd love to go into what happened before Rob got to the diner, what happened after Tyler was killed, more about the whole job in general. This isn't to say it was lacking substance - rather I'm invested in the characters after I watch the movie.

Ben Sliker
06-06-2007, 05:57 PM
Yeah, I had NEVER really thought about extended it past its current length, but I can definitely see it being longer, perhaps one of those ones i can write and then shelf for a while until im ready for that big of a project!

spidey
06-06-2007, 07:36 PM
the only thing that made me mad was that silencers rarely give of flash other than im congrating khunny.

bosindy
06-06-2007, 08:15 PM
I liked this film a lot, you put the HVX through its paces. The shot composition was really nice, when the camera swings to the Westin, that was slamn. I also liked how you used the glass in the Hotel room. I also loved the shot of the man getting shot on the street.

The lead was really good in a campy comedic way. I like how you used the coffee as a minor motivation for the role. well done.

Ben Sliker
06-06-2007, 08:27 PM
the only thing that made me mad was that silencers rarely give of flash other than im congrating khunny.

I hear ya spidey, it was an agnozing thought process for me, but in the end, it had to be in there as we couldn't sell the shot in another fashion with what footage we shot.

Glad to have your support, and Justin definitely came with some fresh new ideas to the table that worked out well.

Ben Sliker
06-06-2007, 08:31 PM
I liked this film a lot, you put the HVX through its paces. The shot composition was really nice, when the camera swings to the Westin, that was slamn. I also liked how you used the glass in the Hotel room. I also loved the shot of the man getting shot on the street.

Its nice to be complimented on shots that took a lot of time to put together.:thumbup:


The lead was really good in a campy comedic way. I like how you used the coffee as a minor motivation for the role. well done.

It's also nice when someone uses the same words like "campy" to describe your film when that's the exact direction that you gave the actor. Thanks!:beer:

MsManhattan
06-07-2007, 01:57 AM
I liked the look of this film a lot, enjoyed the performances and admired the editing. Loved the time-lapse shots. The lead guy was simultaneously endearing and annoying in his goofiness -- the actor played it well. I got a little confused by the plot, but I think that was partly because I was so enjoying the way the film looked I may not have been paying as much attention to the story. I look forward to more of your work!

spidey
06-07-2007, 08:19 AM
how many lights did you use justin, looks like some spots lit then others not. I understand lack of resources just wondering. if you had a package.

Ben Sliker
06-07-2007, 08:33 AM
spidey, the restaurant scenes were lit and we had some bounce boards going with the outside stuff, the hotel was tricky, I'd say 2-3 shots weren't lit like we wanted to, but we had a hard time concealing lights for the shots that we had. Nice hotel room but very tiny.

As for equipment, we lugged around a 1500w, 3 light kit plus various other lights and a few dinosaur lights that justin had (one that smelt like burning ... eww), plus a couple worklights and reflectors and all that other small stuff. the cool piece of equipment i just got was my boom arm lightstand which was responsible for a lot of the backlighting in the film.

I let justin know you've been asking him questions. lol.

cinealma
06-07-2007, 11:41 AM
I didn't read through all the reviews, so pardon if I repeat something.

I really like this film. I mean, it was really entertaining and fun to watch. Loved the music in the background, really gave it that light and airy feel (even though there was some serious shit going down).

This was a very well directed film in my opinion. I love the low angle pan when the guy approaches the office building. And the use of time lapse was perfect. A lot of people could have done this to help with the 6-minute thing, but I think that you pretty much nailed it along with the subtle dissolves.

Great script. "Does the Pope shit in a funny hat?" Classic! I'm going to use that one in meetings at work, if you don't mind.

Definitely one of my favorites.

Thanks for screening.

Ben Sliker
06-07-2007, 12:54 PM
Cinealma,

the only rule is that you have to use it appropriately 3 times before you can claim it as yours. That line was actually a new hybrid from "Does a bear sh*t in the woods" and "Does the Pope wear a funny hat?" I think "Does the pope sh*t in the woods?" was in the Big Lebowski as well.


:beer:

cinealma
06-07-2007, 01:00 PM
Cinealma,

the only rule is that you have to use it appropriately 3 times before you can claim it as yours.

HA! :thumbsup:

Justin Kuhn
06-07-2007, 08:15 PM
how many lights did you use justin, looks like some spots lit then others not. I understand lack of resources just wondering. if you had a package.


Hey spidey, sorry I didn't get to answer the question myself--got a new job recently ande I've been busy as hell. Looking back at it I definitely have stuff I wish I'd done differently or had the time to put more effort into...like in the hotel. The dolly behind Rob as he heads towards the door specifically, I wish I'd put some more light on him because it seems like we had a couple places to hide lights...Ben, do you remember the lighting for that shot? That sounds bad coming from the DP. I hope I put something in the bathroom, that was the easiest place to both hide and motivate a light. I think I did. But there's a possiblity that I was just so burnt out at that point that I decided to roll with available lighting. A mistake. And thanks for the congrats by the way, you know I think that means a lot coming from you man.

Justin Kuhn
06-07-2007, 08:25 PM
how many lights did you use justin, looks like some spots lit then others not. I understand lack of resources just wondering. if you had a package.


Hey spidey, sorry I didn't get to answer the question myself--got a new job recently ande I've been busy as hell. Looking back at it I definitely have stuff I wish I'd done differently or had the time to put more effort into...like in the hotel. The dolly behind Rob as he heads towards the door specifically, I wish I'd put some more light on him because it seems like we had a couple places to hide lights...Ben, do you remember the lighting for that shot? That sounds bad coming from the DP. I hope I put something in the bathroom, that was the easiest place to both hide and motivate a light. I think I did. But there's a possiblity that I was just so burnt out at that point that I decided to roll with available lighting. A mistake. It sucks that I wasn't able to to use the Century fixture in the hotel, because that's the only light we had that was focusable. But the mofo was so hot it would burn dust, and we didn't want to set off the sprinkler system. And thanks for the congrats by the way, you know I think that means a lot coming from you man.

Ted Arabian
06-08-2007, 12:07 PM
Great job on this film! I really enjoyed watching it. I thought that the camera work was pretty darn good. Especially the "photography shots" and "scope shot." Very nice time lapse as well!

I enjoyed the light humor in this story. I thought that you put together a fun film to watch with some really great shots.

Great work!

-Ted

Ben Sliker
06-08-2007, 01:59 PM
Thanks alot Ted, I just hope Nikon doesn't sue me for emulating their focusing crosshairs, anyone with one on their digital SLRs knows what i mean.

Keystoned
06-08-2007, 07:32 PM
I can't get this to play after the 2:50 mark ... it hangs ... downloaded twice ... no luck :shocked:

Shawn Philip Nelson
06-08-2007, 10:48 PM
The plot didn't make a ton of sense, but it was good. I absolutely loved the assasination scene!

Ben Sliker
06-09-2007, 07:47 AM
keystoned, that totally sucks, please complain to the administrators, i hope this isnt happening to others trying to dl our movie

Ben Sliker
06-09-2007, 07:52 AM
RIGHT-CLICK HERE TO DL REFILL IF YOU CAN'T GET IT FROM DVXUSER. (http://www.benjaminsliker.com/DVXUSER/REFILLDVXCUT.mov)

Link should be live around 10:15 am eastern time.

anybody else having trouble with dvxuser in general? it's been completely FUBAR for me this morning. posting, editing posts, etc.

Ben Sliker
06-09-2007, 10:09 AM
The plot didn't make a ton of sense, but it was good. I absolutely loved the assasination scene!

Shawneous, I glad that scene came across well, I think our film would not stood up as well if that scene had turned out campy or fake-ish.

You become a victim of your own edit because you write and shoot something and it makes a lot of sense to you, but some of the incricate details can get lost in translation. We REALLY tried to develop characters and keep a simple plot this time, but our 5 page script is nearly 9 minutes on the timeline. The way I feel about our DVX cut is that it's the meat of the story, but doesn't necessarily include the dressings.

Thanks for the view and comments!:beer:

Dahopafilms
06-09-2007, 11:11 AM
This was really interesting. Nice job.

The stuff I liked:
The overall look. Crisp. Clean. Nice job.
The music was perfect for the feel you were trying to project. Nice job.
Your actors. All were great. Especially your creepy male lead in the coffee shop. A kinda Gary Busey feel. Wearing Hawaiian shirts. Funny.
Loved the match cut from the coffee cup to the SUV's wheel. Nice.
Also liked the use of time lapse. Wary of "gimmicks", but they seemed to serve the story here. Maybe a little too long a cut for my taste, but that's just me.

The stuff I wasn't so sure of:
The slow mo bullet hit on the guy in the street. I think something was missing there for me but I'm not sure what it was. Maybe the facial expression (I didn't buy that this is the expression of a guy whose chest has just been exploded). Or the velocity of the blood from the exit wound. And now I feel like I'm quibbling, so sorry.
I wonder whether the edit might have been tightened up a little?
The assassin packing up after the hit. He seemed to me to be moving too slow. To my pea brain, after a hit like that in a public place he would have been ready to move out much faster.
Help me out. What was the tie in of the title to anything other than the guy in the coffee shop couldn't get a refill? I am sure I'm missing something here but I just can't get it. (I should go back in the thread for an explanation perhaps)

Anyway, a very nice job. Cool.

Ben Sliker
06-09-2007, 01:25 PM
Dahopa,

Thanks for the critique. We're really proud of all the stuff you pointed out in the "like" section of your review.

You probably felt the edit could have been a little tighter because I have some shots that I needed to have the beginning and end for (for either a MOA or continuity) but they dragged a bit getting to it, especially when some of the other cuts are quicker.

Good point about the assassin. He's probably too cocky for his own good.

Titles, Character Names and the like are the hardest things for me to come up with. Sometimes, I'll write an entire script without names and them ponder for hours how to fill them. Same thing goes for Titles. Yes, it's kinda gimmicky, but the tie-in is to the coffee. It's something that doesn't mean much, but might make you smirk when you think about it.

Again, thanks for the review! :beer:

Norm Sanders
06-09-2007, 05:46 PM
Ben, nice transitions using the music. Very well shot & lit, great sound design, good acting, etc. A very VERY solid entry! The main guy at the table was REALLY annoying, but I'm sure he was meant to play it that way, in which case everyone was pretty outstanding in their performances. Great squib/VFX work too. Didn't quite get the whole 'explode on impact' and connection to the bomb under the bed. Was curious as to obvious use of trademarked names, specifically Coca-Cola and Ford. Nice post work throughout, as well as editing (not just nice, but GREAT work).

Again, serious contender, IMO.

Ben Sliker
06-09-2007, 06:20 PM
Wow, thanks Norm. I was wondering if you were going to pop in here (i saw that you were posting reviews like mad!)

C'mon didn't you know that we we're sponsored by Coke and Ford? Just like American Idol! No, but seriously, if they come after me, I'll gladly pay them all the money that I've made of this film (which currently is like a negative 1000 bucks.) Lol, i guess the brand recognition wasn't as obvious to us when shooting. It went more like this:

Ben: We need water cups.
Brad: Hey, There's some over there.
Ben: Do it.

On a serious note, It's a lot of fun to see the leaps and bounds we've made as filmmakers. I haven't been an every fester like you and JDS, but close (had a zombiefest movie, but never uploaded it, had scripts/pre-pro for drama and hero, actually made it into sci, horror, and now spyfest.)

Makes me feel good about the prospects for future projects. Refill not only was a technical/storywriting improvement for us, but we made a lot of connections as well down here in Charlotte.

I look forward to doing battle in the future Norm! :beer:

gabrielflorit
06-09-2007, 06:22 PM
This one had a great story, except ... I didn't understand why the creepy guy set the sniper up. What was the motivation for it?

Solid acting, and some veeeery cool camera moves here. Probably the slickest moves of any entry I've seen so far.

Ben Sliker
06-09-2007, 06:35 PM
lol, were we that far down on the list that everyone is just getting to us in the past 24 hours? :)

gabriel, there's one line as they fade into the restaurant that explains the motivation. It cuts in mid-conversation "Apparently, he got away with more than 5 million before they knew it was him". he being Rob and they being the people Tyler and Jon work for. And since Tyler and Jon don't think much of Rob, they decide to f*ck with him.

I probably should have added the tagline:

"this is what assassins do for fun"

Sweet ... we have slick moves. Normally how my thought process works is I come up with 2-3 real bad ass camera moves/editing conventions that I want to try out and then try to work them into the film, some make it, some don't. We have 2 50 ft long dolly tracking shots that didn't even make the cut!

thanks for the view!

Justin Kuhn
06-09-2007, 08:22 PM
Was curious as to obvious use of trademarked names, specifically Coca-Cola and Ford.

I contest this merely to argue semantics. The Coca-Cola logo was transluscent, and not lit or displayed to the logo's recognizable advantage (like say Blade Runner or any Michael Bay film). Except maybe when Rob says "That's insulting," and takes a drink, 'cause being insulted makes you thirsty. At what point is the Ford logo actually used? The picture car was a Ford, but the logo was never actually displayed.

Uniroyal, Nikon, and Panasonic on the other hand, should have provided us all with company brochures abosolutely free of charge. Coke could have contributed some flat Diet Coke to our craft services. If there's anything more disgusting than Diet Coke it's flat Diet Coke.

Ben Sliker
06-09-2007, 11:06 PM
Justin,

What I imagine Norm was referring to was whether or not the fact that we were aware that we were displaying such logos prominently, hence "obvious". The fact is that the brand names are there, true, but i also think it doesn't matter, or matters just as little as the heinz 57 ketchup bottle in the background. Brands are all over and can slip in wherever, just like in our film.

So I think to settle Norm's curiosity, anything that has a brand name in the film was there because it slipped in under the radar, probably when we we're worrying about lighting, direction, camera moves, and the other 100 things on a shoot.

No need to argue semantics buddy. lol. :beer:

bosindy
06-10-2007, 12:03 AM
Trademarks are fine as long as you are using the product for it's intended purpose. Prominence is not the issue really.

You can't hold the product up to ridicule etc. (trade libel) but you can have a Heinz bottle on the table of a diner.

This area of law contrast sharply with copyright and is often confused with it.

Keystoned
06-10-2007, 12:35 AM
Got a good clean naturally lit lookin image goin

haha some nice dialogue in the cafe here
"does the pope shi* in a funny hat" heheh

Like your actors, but your sound setup/recording was unkind to the dark-haired guy

I like the still camera o' vision - nice spy feel that.

Dig the time-lapse stuff.

Shot through the highball glass with the liquid at different levels ... steeling it ... fair warning, you will see it in my work one day :)

Nice squib ... post blood effect? Squib? A combo maybe? Looked great.

not sure I got the shot of the guy with the DVX or HVX

not sure I got the ending but I definitely enjoyed the ride

Looking back, I think the opening scene is maybe too long. Maybe there is vital information there that I am missing that makes it all make a little more since but if not it seems it is just to establish that the red haired guy is kind of a twit and that he his hiring the dark-haired guy go kill someone, who is supposedly very perverted. That could all be established much quicker and then we could get on to the meet of the short. If it was a feature the first act would run long, the basic turning point or dramatic question is “go kill this guy” “will he be able to kill this guy and report back” that’s the basic function of that first scene I think. It is true that in comedy you don’t always have to move the plot forward but I think here it could be tighter and get to the second act – going out and killing the guy – a bit sooner.

Thanks for making me laugh with this entertaining short. It was a good bedtime snack. :beer:

Goodnight:-KnockedOut(D

deedive
06-10-2007, 08:46 AM
Cool story, good lighting. Love the time-lapse shots. In all this film touched me in an inappropriate place.

Ben Sliker
06-10-2007, 09:01 AM
Trademarks are fine as long as you are using the product for it's intended purpose. Prominence is not the issue really.

You can't hold the product up to ridicule etc. (trade libel) but you can have a Heinz bottle on the table of a diner.

This area of law contrast sharply with copyright and is often confused with it.

Thanks for clearing it up bosindy, that makes so much more sense in my brain now.

Ben Sliker
06-10-2007, 09:19 AM
Looking back, I think the opening scene is maybe too long. Maybe there is vital information there that I am missing that makes it all make a little more since but if not it seems it is just to establish that the red haired guy is kind of a twit and that he his hiring the dark-haired guy go kill someone, who is supposedly very perverted. That could all be established much quicker and then we could get on to the meet of the short. If it was a feature the first act would run long, the basic turning point or dramatic question is “go kill this guy” “will he be able to kill this guy and report back” that’s the basic function of that first scene I think. It is true that in comedy you don’t always have to move the plot forward but I think here it could be tighter and get to the second act – going out and killing the guy – a bit sooner.

Thanks for making me laugh with this entertaining short. It was a good bedtime snack. :beer:

Goodnight:-KnockedOut(D

Keystoned, thanks for the quality bit of criticism, I went ahead and I timed it out. It ends up being about 2:30 for the 1st act, around 2:00 for the second, and 1:30 for the third. I think for the sake of everyone's closure, I should have extended the conversation at the end and really hit people over the head with "this is what just happened" instead of just hinting at it.

Thanks for taking the time to redownload, and we're gald you liked it!

Ben Sliker
06-10-2007, 09:20 AM
In all this film touched me in an inappropriate place.

ROFL, deedive, you get the prize for best comment of the thread. touche, sir, touche.

Edgen
06-10-2007, 12:03 PM
My Thoughts:

I couldn't stop looking at the lead's (blue shirt) teeth.

I dug the music. that loooww low pitch sound at 3:50 made me smile. The sniper scene was really nice. I think the editing could have been tightend up quite a bit. For instance: 5:23.. the suited guy says, 'wait.. what?" and it was if you were just wanting to see that small smirk on his face before cutting back to blondie's remark. I also kept waiting for him to bust out solo's line, "I bet you have...."

I think it was shot really well and I loved the look of the film.

/j

Ben Sliker
06-10-2007, 03:29 PM
Thanks Edgen,

Herman and I definitely hammered out a lot of details, but my first directions for the sniper sequence were "intense and building, but if it was made by NIN". I think he nailed it.

I'm glad you liked it buddy, you better believe your name is on a list of people I need to work with again.

Herman Witkam
06-10-2007, 04:17 PM
I dug the music. that loooww low pitch sound at 3:50 made me smile.

Thanks J-man! btw - The low pitched sound is one of those monophonic synths that come with Cubase :D

Norm Sanders
06-10-2007, 04:33 PM
I contest this merely to argue semantics. The Coca-Cola logo was transluscent, and not lit or displayed to the logo's recognizable advantage (like say Blade Runner or any Michael Bay film). Except maybe when Rob says "That's insulting," and takes a drink, 'cause being insulted makes you thirsty. At what point is the Ford logo actually used? The picture car was a Ford, but the logo was never actually displayed.

Uniroyal, Nikon, and Panasonic on the other hand, should have provided us all with company brochures abosolutely free of charge. Coke could have contributed some flat Diet Coke to our craft services. If there's anything more disgusting than Diet Coke it's flat Diet Coke.


Ben nailed it when he said I wasn't trying to come down on you guys, so much as "how could you have missed that?!" with regards to during production trying to turn labels, etc. It's obvious that care was taken with all of the condiments in the BG, as no labels/logos were visible.

Though the logo IS visible on the Coke glass when taken a drink out of, I found them most visible at 2:19, when backlit by the sunlight coming through the window.

The Ford logo was squarly prominent at 2:34, when showing a CU of the wheel.

I personally don't care if there are logos or not, nor do I think the companies care, nor do I think the Mods care in this case, because it's obvious you guys weren't trying to infringe on anything.

My point, again, as Ben explained, was that with all the care & GREAT production value you guys put into this, I was surprised you missed those things, which jumped out. No harm!

Norm Sanders
06-10-2007, 04:34 PM
Herman, your new avatar is really, REALLY creepy,lol!

Herman Witkam
06-10-2007, 04:43 PM
Herman, your new avatar is really, REALLY creepy,lol!

hehe - I know. I hope it doesn't freak anyone out :)
It's from a somewhat surreal 60's Japanese drama/sci-fi film.

Ben Sliker
06-10-2007, 07:27 PM
seriously, herman ... nightmares bro, nightmares.