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Keystoned
03-27-2007, 01:35 AM
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CLICK THE POSTER TO GO TO THE VEIWING PAGE FOR THIS SHORT!
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1180760530.jpg (http://www.dvxfest.com/spyfest/loader.php?id=20480)

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1180760937.jpg



Starring ...http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/clear.gif
Dane Rhodes & Michael Sullivan of French Quarter Features' "ODD Squad" (2nd place SciFest)
watch "ODD Squad" (http://frenchquarterfeatures.com/)
original "ODD Squad" Thread (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=46631&highlight=Squad)
Dane on IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1694797/)

Blake Balu of Reyo San Picture's "We are Not Alone" (4th place SciFest) and "The Dinner Guest"
watch "We Are Not Alone" or "The Dinner Guest" (http://www.reyo-sanpictures.com/welcome.htm)
original "We Are Not Alone" thread (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=46475)
original "The Dinner Guest" thread (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=60691&highlight=Dinner+Guest)

and introducing (to DVXuser) Antony Sandoval
Antony on IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0762092/)


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Keystoned
03-27-2007, 01:35 AM
BTS SHOTS
PHOTO CREDIT: Korey von Holt
Here's some quick set picks, may not stay up in this post, but here for now:

___ Poor Blake Balu didn't have a ride the first day
___ so he had to come to set before dawn with me. _______ Rigging the dolly to stay put on the steep incline
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1175408470.jpg http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1175408431.jpg

___ Blake wouldn't take direction until I did this to him. _______ Antony Sandoval runs his lines at dawn.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1175408317.jpg http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1175408392.jpg

_______Dane Rhodes prepares in different way.______________________Wiring Dane for sound.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1175408371.jpg http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1175408451.jpg

____________________________________________Direct ing the Schmactors. That's Michael Sullivan (the Red
____________________________________________Mutant in ODD Squad (http://frenchquarterfeatures.com/)) in the foreground. Not revealing his
______________Antony Sandoval__________________face is an unintentional marketing ploy at this point, lol.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1175408332.jpg http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1175408304.jpg

__Blake and Antony mark some light fight choreography.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1175411751.jpg

Keystoned
03-27-2007, 01:36 AM
GEAR ...
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1175502423.jpg http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1175502215.jpg

Keystoned
03-27-2007, 01:36 AM
... these have just had basic color correction, may be very close to this by the upload date, may be very different ... lots of factors to consider ...

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/7195/1178588464.jpg


EDIT 6/04/07:
I think that exact frame is cut from the final. I spent 2 DAYS editing and re-editing the 30 seconds associated with this and had 5 versions I think. But anyway here's the newest grab from the completed contest version with a mix of practical and post blood and final grading.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1180939543.jpg



Older grabs, CC has changed for contest cut.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1179287077.jpg
What's worse than two against one?

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1179287099.jpg
Three against one.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1179287143.jpg
I rack ... therefore I am.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1179287197.jpg
Since when do rivers make waves?

Brandon Rice
03-27-2007, 11:35 AM
VERY excited to see this one! :thumbsup:

bosindy
03-27-2007, 03:05 PM
Looks like you guys have a lot of experience, looking forward to the film. What is the origin of the name? Is it German?

Keystoned
03-27-2007, 03:38 PM
The actors have been seen on the board here a lot. I have been lurking for a while, and ever only made a few films though.

Yeah, Schittekatter is German. (I think) SHI TE-uh-kotter. (I think) :)

Can't say too much more about the name though:shocked:

Norm Sanders
03-27-2007, 03:52 PM
Funny, I'm SO stinkin' uncultured ... looked/sounded Japanese the way I was saying it in my head, lol.

Looking forward to seeing this thread update some more with BTS, etc. So, Keystoned, you're Taylor, I take it? Welcome aboard!

Keystoned
03-27-2007, 03:58 PM
I get it, like shi tzu, lol.

Thanks for the welcome Norm.

Norm Sanders
03-27-2007, 04:22 PM
Kind of, yeah.... but I was probably leaning more towards those mushrooms (shitake?). Eitherway, I giggle like an immature little school boy at the first part of the name. Yep, I'm easily ammused. Just give me a ball of yarn & watch me go ... :cheesy:

EDIT: Just realized your banner is spelled differently than the thread heading ... was the 'C' that's in the heading put in because of the automatic filter that even sensored my mushroom name above or does the banner have a typo?

Keystoned
03-27-2007, 05:01 PM
Kind of, yeah.... but I was probably leaning more towards those mushrooms (shi*ake?). Eitherway, I giggle like an immature little school boy at the first part of the name. Yep, I'm easily ammused. Just give me a ball of yarn & watch me go ... :cheesy:

EDIT: Just realized your banner is spelled differently than the thread heading ... was the 'C' that's in the heading put in because of the automatic filter that even sensored my mushroom name above or does the banner have a typo?

D'oh, you are right. Corrected in banner now. Correct spelling is Schittekatter.
(that's what I get for doing a quick and simple banner)

RebeccaD
03-27-2007, 06:52 PM
Looking forward to this one! Welcome aboard.

Mark Harris
03-27-2007, 09:43 PM
I'm a big fan of those actors. And that font looks really familiar...could swear I've seen it somewhere before. Can you tell what it is, or did you make it?

When I first saw it, I thought it said: "Shit-kicker..." :)

Keystoned
03-27-2007, 09:50 PM
Yeah they are great actors and great to work with. Michael Sullivan is the red mutant in ODD Squad. Hopefully it will be fun for people to see him in something looking like himself instead of under a pound of prosthetic makeup. Especially since while we were shooting, he told me that during SciFest someone called him a lady. I think they said something like "I liked the red lady mutant" or something, lol.

Don't know about the font and seeing it before, but I got off dafont.com, which I found via a link I got of the French Quarter Features website.

Norm Sanders
03-27-2007, 10:09 PM
Oh man, I'm sorry ... I'll bet you anything that if you dig through Jack's ODD SQUAD thread, you'ld see that was me that thought he was a lady, lol. Sooo sorry, Michael!!

Keystoned
03-27-2007, 10:12 PM
No he loved it. He said it was his favorite comment. I think 1, because it was funny and 2, he said that Jack had him loop the dialogue and improv the lines and that the take he used was the "say it like an 11 year old school girl" take or something like that, lol.

Jack Daniel Stanley
03-27-2007, 10:16 PM
haha, that's pretty accurate actually.

Hey Taylor, glad to see you have stopped lurking and are finally entering a short! :laugh:

If I was still in NOLA I would be working with those guys all the time :beer:

NOLA IN THE HIZZOUSE!

Blake Balu
03-27-2007, 11:57 PM
NOLA - Good Peeps. Good Times. Good Stories.

TimurCivan
03-29-2007, 03:29 PM
I liked the acting in ODD Squad. I hope yous guys are having fun.

Keystoned
03-30-2007, 11:23 PM
haha, we did have a lot of fun
we are wrapped already.

I am waiting for the on set photog to upload some photos for me and I'll post those.

Also gonna put some of my journal up, but here's one highlight from the shoot:
We were shut down on the
last day of shooting by HOMELAND SECURITY
with 1 page to film and 2 hours of daylight left,
1 of the actors going out of town for MONTHS the next day,
and being BANNED from ever returning to the location

And yet we found a way to finish with a better ending.
...more on that when I get aroun to the journal pages.

Gord.T
03-31-2007, 12:41 AM
Is it my imagination or were/are you not linked up with Jack?
French Quarter Films/ Features ??? I know I've seen these names around jacks threads/links. Excuse me for not being proficient in the details. And yes it's Friday night. Is Jack pulling a sneaky one here :) ? (Reminds me to catch up on Jacks stuff. That's what weekends are for, no?)

I guess the question is what part if any is Jack playing in this. Fair enough?

/By the way. Can't go wrong with a name like Taylor. ahem. ahem.

// mmm, offly quiet around here.

Keystoned
03-31-2007, 10:12 AM
Hahaha Jack said someone might think that. I think you therefore are proficient in details as there is some connection I suppose.
I am using two of Jack's actors from French Quarter Features' (his company) ODD Squad (his film) which won 2nd in SciFest
I took sound design at Tulane in NOLA from Jack when he taught there.
I assisted him on some sound gigs, and P.A.ed sporadically on Shed and ODD Squad (I was in school so I helped where I could)
Jack has helped put me in touch with actors, shown me web resources for fonts and sound and stuff, and help me make my decision about getting my HVX
I am a fan of Jack's work.So I can see where you are coming from. I thought J. Dan (what we call Jack here) was being paranoid or just having a big head, lol, when he said somebody would suggest what you are hinting at. :grin:

But also ... I'm also using the fantabulous Blake Balu from Reyo San Picture's (Kaz's company) We are Not Alone (Kaz's film) which won 2nd place in Sci Fest (NOLA in the House).

All of these actors are in New Orleans and the film was shot in New Orleans and Jack is in Brooklyn, I believe.

My on set photog (Korey) is busy with school right now but SOON there will be picks of me on set - tall, skinny, ponytail, 25 year old hippy - not Jack, lol.

Haha, so those are the connections, but now I will have to listen to an "I told you so" from Jack, heheh.

I was just trying to name the actors' and and the fact that they were in Jack and Kaz's films like they do on the back of a DVD box
"David Carradine (Kill Bill)"
to get a little bit of warranted (because those actor are really great) attention.
Since I am a newb and what not.:beer:

Norm Sanders
03-31-2007, 04:53 PM
Is it my imagination or were/are you not linked up with Jack?
French Quarter Films/ Features ??? I know I've seen these names around jacks threads/links. Excuse me for not being proficient in the details. And yes it's Friday night. Is Jack pulling a sneaky one here :) ? (Reminds me to catch up on Jacks stuff. That's what weekends are for, no?)

I guess the question is what part if any is Jack playing in this. Fair enough?

/By the way. Can't go wrong with a name like Taylor. ahem. ahem.

// mmm, offly quiet around here.


Nah ... no offense, Keystone, but I know Jack wouldn't have put up a banner with the wrong spelling (S H I T T A etc. vs. S C H I T T A etc.). :grin: So, never crossed my mind. 'Sides, think he's busy with a feature in association with Barry Green, if I'm not mistaken.

Keystoned
03-31-2007, 08:44 PM
Nah ... no offense, Keystone, but I know Jack wouldn't have put up a banner with the wrong spelling ...

Are you kidding, Jack taught two of my classes. He is a scatterbrain, that's exactly the kind of thing he would do, lol. :beer:

Gord.T
03-31-2007, 09:14 PM
Yeah, the little I know of Jack is he's very creative and therefore inherently unpredictable (opinion only). While he has not pulled anything yet, I always get the feeling he's capable of doing something out of the norm (in a creative way). If you understand what I mean.
At any rate you could not have picked a better teacher. Lucky you.
Looking forward to the flick. I'm already sure it's going to rock. :)

Norm Sanders
03-31-2007, 09:58 PM
he's capable of doing something out of the Norm

Are you insinuating that this whole time I'VE been Jack as well? Lol. :grin:

Gord.T
03-31-2007, 10:11 PM
Hey Norm. Absolutly not. I'm a BIG fan of your stuff (me and my brother Arielman) and actually saw the joke in the type after I wrote it. I didn't mean that as a joke, it just came out that way. Sure enough it backfired.
This is getting out of hand. Must be a cross-border dielect thing.
I would never insult you guys. And if I did I'd say I was joking :)

Jack Daniel Stanley
03-31-2007, 10:19 PM
... (Reminds me to catch up on Jacks stuff. That's what weekends are for, no?) ...
Dood? You're not caught up? Quit slacking and go to my website immediately :)

Norm Sanders
03-31-2007, 10:21 PM
Lol, I was totally kidding.

But, look ... Jack comes in here to advertise HIS site in someone else's thread? Ugh, those New Yorkers and their lack of class. :cheesy: Kidding!

Gord.T
03-31-2007, 10:27 PM
Hey, I know you were light, just wanted to clear that up for the record.

I was also worried I insulted Jack with the 'unpredicatable' comment. I made that based on human behavour predictability, not Jacks behavour.
That is not a bad thing. In fact it's what makes....babble, babble, babble...

Gord.T
03-31-2007, 10:33 PM
Dood? You're not caught up? Quit slacking and go to my website immediately :)

On it right now. Thanks.

Jack Daniel Stanley
03-31-2007, 11:06 PM
... also worried I insulted Jack with the 'unpredicatable' comment. I made that based on human behavour predictability, not Jacks behavour.
That is not a bad thing. In fact it's what makes....babble, babble, babble...
lol, no worries :beer:

Keystoned
03-31-2007, 11:07 PM
I just saw that my on set photog uploaded some photos ... will sort through them and post some ...

Keystoned
04-01-2007, 01:19 AM
BTS shots posted on page one!

Sid Barnhoorn
04-01-2007, 02:52 AM
Lookin' good! :-) Good luck with your entry!

Manuu
04-01-2007, 03:06 AM
Hey man,

I'm definitely looking forward to your entry. Especially I'm excited about how the title of the film is related to the story ;o) Is it possible that SCHITTEKATTER is a "slang-word"? I really just can guess what it means.... Though I'm from Germany, haha! Well, we have so many different accents here that people from Northern Germany don't understand people from the South...

Good luck and have a lot of fun

Cheers, Manuel

Keystoned
04-02-2007, 02:30 AM
Thanks Manuu and Sid :beer:

UPDATE: a couple more BTS featuring my camera / monitor / lav setup posted on page 1



... Also, I got asked about getting shut down by homeland security in another thread, here's the answer ....


-----
You can now see in the photos on page one where we were shooting. But it was basically under the Crescent City connection (a giant suspension bridge in New Orleans) right near the levee.

Basically after a day and a half of shooting there the Coast Guard finally noticed us and came out on their little boat with their giant mounted Gatlin gun and stared at us through binoculars.

20 minutes later 5 police cars pulled up on the levee and told us to pack all our gear up. They took pictures of us all and our names which are now registered with homeland security. They took pictures of all the gear and they looked at our footage and read our script - which is about corrupt New Orleans cops :) Once it was abundandtly clear we were making a small amateur film they were versy nice and joked around with us, but still shut us down.
-----


We still had a page left to film and only 2 hours of daylight. We had to improvise and come up with a new ending which is better I think, but I am really concerned about coverage and how polished some of the work is that I've seen by other entering filmmakers. Hopefully we will be OK, I've kind of been putting off editing that section so far :eek:

I'm on the fence about saying too much about how we finished because it might make the fudgery we had to resort to to finish more apparent, whereas we may easily get away with it if I don't point it out before hand. :huh:

Ralph Oshiro
04-02-2007, 02:37 AM
20 minutes later 5 police cars pulled up on the levee and told us to pack all our gear up. They took pictures of us all and our names which are now registered with homeland security. They took pictures of all the gear and they looked at our footage and read our script - which is about corrupt New Orleans cops :) Once it was abundandtly clear we were making a small amateur film they were very nice and joked around with us, but still shut us down.
Wow! How weird was that? Are you guys in some permanent DHS database now? What do they put in the comments field? "Non-terrorist filmmakers without a permit?" Pretty weird! I hope L.A. isn't as security conscious as N.O. (I don't think so). Anywho, LOVE the production stills! Looks like you guys have some SERIOUS sand baggage! Seriously, cool shots--looking forward to seeing your film!

Kaz
04-02-2007, 05:50 PM
Lookin' great, fellas! Hope you treated my boy Blake nice.

Keystoned
04-03-2007, 04:55 PM
Hey Kaz! Thanks for loaning Blake to me. As I mentioned earlier in he thread, I only had to hit him with the butt of a gun once and then he was great to work with.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1175408317.jpg

Haha, just kidding of course. Blake was AMAZING to work with. In he original ending he was supposed to get thrown into the Mississippi. I asked him saying "I expect you to say no to this. You should say no to this. But as a filmmaker I have to ask, can we dump you in the Mississippi? Do not worry we can cut around it." He said "let me think about it" and then called later to say that it would be such a cool shot that he felt he had to do it. And it would have been a cool shot if we had not got shut down. Again we had to write a new ending and shoot it elsewhere. So no river dumping. The ending is cool but does not feature that shot now. For those that don't know, the Mississippi is not somewhere you would want to fall into, especially in New Orleans proper. It is dirty and it moves fast and there is no real bank. So you could get swept out and under quickly. We were going to tie a rope to his leg and composite the rope out later. Who is crazier me or Blake? Don't know. But suffice it to say I am eager to work with him again.


Wow! How weird was that? Are you guys in some permanent DHS database now? What do they put in the comments field? "Non-terrorist filmmakers without a permit?" Haha, yeah. I think it is not such a big deal, but a friend helping that day is sure he will have al sorts of trouble flying now. I think they have bigger fish to fry.
Pretty weird! I hope L.A. isn't as security conscious as N.O. (I don't think so). Well we were filming under the Crescent City Connection on a levee. Two major terrorist targets and we were there for two days. If you did that in any city you would probably get shut down. But in NOLA it takes them two days to notice you, lol.
Anywho, LOVE the production stills! Looks like you guys have some SERIOUS sand baggage! Seriously, cool shots--looking forward to seeing your film! Yeah we had to have those because of the incline to keep things in place. We had to park a half mile away. 35lb sand bags are not fun to carry that far. One day I will have P.A.'s I hope, heh heh.

RebeccaD
04-03-2007, 06:07 PM
Looking great! I love the BTS shots as well. Nice work!

AmyO
04-03-2007, 08:53 PM
Great BTS shots. I'm sorry you couldn't get your dramatic river shot, but I'm sure your new ending will work just as well. Pressure and limitations often end up giving birth to great creative ideas. Looking forward to it. :)

Ralph Oshiro
04-07-2007, 06:14 AM
Yeah we had to have those because of the incline to keep things in place. We had to park a half mile away. 35lb sand bags are not fun to carry that far. One day I will have P.A.'s I hope, heh heh.
Holy friggin' CRAP! You ARE committed!

Barry_Green
04-07-2007, 09:13 AM
When you cross 40, you'll never carry a sandbag again. Get a wheeled convertible cart, they're like $40 or so at the home improvement stores. Roll those things... :thumbsup:

Ted Arabian
04-07-2007, 09:24 AM
GEAR ...
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1175502423.jpg http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1175502215.jpg


Wow! What a rig! That looks like a lot of gear on that tripod head!

And what a story with HOMELAND SECURITY! Yikes!!!

Great looking BTS here. Makes me so anxious to get out there and start shooting!

I wish that the snow would melt around here. I am NOT going to shoot in the snow! Not in the Spring!

Good luck here. Looking great.

-Ted

Ralph Oshiro
04-07-2007, 02:09 PM
Is it just me, or am I the only one that keeps misreading the title as, "S H I T K I C K E R?"

TimurCivan
04-07-2007, 02:34 PM
Looks like an anti aircraft weapon to me..... Arrest him!

Keystoned
04-07-2007, 03:49 PM
:) Haha, Ok, I have some catching up to do. ...

Sorry I have not been around, but editing this has been challenging and something to obsessive over. My whole short takes place in real time. A single scene. I wanted to do that because I wanted to challenge myself with 4 or 5 minutes of blocking, creating new axis lines and screen pictures with each unit or beat change, etc. There are many more choices cut to cut and many things to "fix in post"


Looking great! I love the BTS shots as well. Nice work!

Great BTS shots. I'm sorry you couldn't get your dramatic river shot, but I'm sure your new ending will work just as well. Pressure and limitations often end up giving birth to great creative ideas. Looking forward to it. :)

Thanks gals, and yeah I agree on the pressure and limitations. We may still have to re-shoot part of the new ending though for technical reasons. Which will be hard to coordinate since one of the ensemble members is out of town now - the whole reason we scrambled to get an ending after we were kicked off our location with less than two hours of sunlight left and no way to finish the story line we had at the time.

I am still working with it, massaging this shot, we will see...


Holy friggin' CRAP! You ARE committed!
I should be committed.


When you cross 40, you'll never carry a sandbag again. Get a wheeled convertible cart, they're like $40 or so at the home improvement stores. Roll those things... :thumbsup:
Are they big wheels? Because we had to go over grass and over , well the levees themselves, which are just a high hill with a jogging path on top.

But yeah I need some kind of cart, though most of my gear is in backpacks now
http://www.cinebags.com/CB-20BackPack.jpg
http://www.cinebags.com/backpack.html

and

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/5/8/6/375586.jpg
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/MAudio-Portable-Studio-Pack-Carryall-Backpack?sku=548505&src=3SOSWXXA


Wow! What a rig! That looks like a lot of gear on that tripod head!
...
-Ted

Yeah my tripod and head is kind of light weight, But I have never needed better and I am a guerilla filmmaker and like to set up and move quickly. Notice the long sliding plate though - balance is key. This shoot is the only time I've come close to wishing I had a heavy duty tripod and head because it was so windy, sometimes the wind shook the camera in an otherwise smooth shot.


Is it just me, or am I the only one that keeps misreading the title as, "S H I T K I C K E R?"No you are not alone :Drogar-Mark-07(DBG)great minds think alike I guess, heheh :cheesy:

I
... When I first saw it, I thought it said: "shi*-kicker..." :)


Looks like an anti aircraft weapon to me..... Arrest him! Yeah I thought that myself about the aircraft gun thing. The camera was actually struck and resting in its case when the coast guard came out and stared at us with their machine gun. But I was thinking if they saw that there might have really been freaked as opposed to just seeing the tripod and three of us standing around on break.

Blake's wound gets much worse in the course of the short and he was already in that makeup. Fortunately he had gone off location during the break so we were able to call him and tell him not to come bag so he could avoid being bagged and tagged. But I am glad they were not seeing this guy walking around covered in blood.


thanks folks,

... ok back to editing, a poster and what not coming soon :beer:

Ted Arabian
04-08-2007, 07:51 AM
Is it just me, or am I the only one that keeps misreading the title as, "S H I T K I C K E R?"
Oh! Thanks for pointing that out to me.... "Schittekatter!" Of course!!! :)

Good luck editing!

Alex Jeffery
04-08-2007, 10:14 AM
This looks awesome, can't wait to see it!

I'm in the same "one-scene-situation" bind. Good luck!

Keystoned
04-10-2007, 12:41 PM
This looks awesome, can't wait to see it!

I'm in the same "one-scene-situation" bind. Good luck!

Thanks Alex, I've had to getting creative with the editing and take my time. :beer:

But GRRRR, I may have to fly the team member that's out of town back to NOLA to reshoot on goldurn shot! !
@^%$@#^%#:badputer:

It is the ending, final shot. It's executed well but since we had o scramble after homeland security shut us down we lost the light and it looks horrible. Maybe it can be fixed in post. I have a friend that can help me fix it I think. We'll see...

Kyle Stebbins
04-13-2007, 06:03 PM
Your banner caught my eye. Beautiful job.

Can't wait!

Keystoned
04-17-2007, 10:36 PM
Hey thanks Kyle.

I have been so busy I have not been able to update the thread much. So I really appreciate the shout out and the bump :beer:

I think I wil be able to save my last shot, BTW, (fingers crossed) :thumbsup:

Norm Sanders
04-18-2007, 11:00 PM
Hey Taylor, just catching up on your thread ... hurry up with the poseter already! :grin:

Read a page or so back that your entire short takes place in real time, with one scene ... looking forward to it! :thumbsup:

Keystoned
05-02-2007, 10:50 PM
Man I have got to get some time to pimp - busy bee.

But thankfully I have great news to announce to get my thread back in the mix here.

Could not be more pleased to announce that BOTH ...
Herman Witkam
"Rekindled"
"Bloody Mary"
"Bone Hand" (and countless others - just to name some DVXuser credits)
AND
Siddhartha Barnhoorn
"Buffalo Samson"
"Black Angel"
"Thou Shalt Not" (and countless others - just to name some DVXuser credits)

will be scoring S C H I T T E K A T T E R together!

Wow huh?

I guess you could say they are "going Dutch" ... heh heh .... hello? is this thing on (tapping microphone) ... come on folks they are both from the Netherlands? Going Dutch .... get it ? (mic feeds back) ... (sigh) :grin:

Norm Sanders
05-02-2007, 11:05 PM
Very cool, Taylor! That'll be interesting to see how they share the workload of scoring the film together.

I miss Herman from not being able to follow through with BERLIN at this time. Notice I said at this time ... we'll get 'er done eventually.

K, back to you .... oh, and I love the tapping microphone bit ... funny stuff! :grin:

Herman Witkam
05-04-2007, 01:51 PM
Happy to be on board :beer:

Ted Arabian
05-07-2007, 06:37 AM
I guess you could say they are "going Dutch" ... heh heh .... hello? is this thing on (tapping microphone) ... come on folks they are both from the Netherlands? Going Dutch .... get it ? (mic feeds back) ... (sigh) :grin:
Bwaaahahahaaahaahaaahahaahaaaa :grin:

Congrats on the Dueling Dutchman! Very intriguing.

Best of luck!

-Ted

kurtmo
05-07-2007, 11:11 AM
I guess you could say they are "going Dutch" ... heh heh .... hello? is this thing on (tapping microphone) ... come on folks they are both from the Netherlands? Going Dutch .... get it ? (mic feeds back) ... (sigh) :grin:

I like it. Bet I'll dig the score, too!

Keystoned
05-07-2007, 07:47 PM
They have worked together before. And I like both of them. So I decided to have my cake and eat it too.

:beer:

Gord.T
05-07-2007, 08:25 PM
Hey Keystone. Second time caller. Dude, looks like your serious about this stuff . Just sayin...a cool kid with his shit together makin films. Livin the dream. Whats not to like?

/Okay but it beats "looking forward to it."
//Gimme a couple beers and I'm TROUBLE MAN, I'm TROUBLE. I mean it. Tell em Mike. Mike?

Keystoned
05-07-2007, 08:49 PM
heheh, thanks :beer: for "calling in" again. Trying my best with my little film here; still nervous about matching some of this footage ...

if I have to reshoot a couple of shots it will involve flying one of our people back to New Orleans :zombie_smiley: which involves $ which I don't have :crybaby: :laugh:

(moved the random grab from previous post, since the page flipped) :)

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/7195/1178588464.jpg

Gord.T
05-07-2007, 09:33 PM
Well seriously dude I wish you the best of luck. Like I said from the get go, I know this is going to rock. It's obvious your serious about it and have talent and determination just by the way you conduct yourself. (That looks so ??? in print. I hate print. Hate it I say. Hate it. Mike get over here...mike... mike..get...Carliii?)

//Oh, I gotta quite drinking and hangin around this place. Its all fun and games till someone pokes an eye out.

AmyO
05-07-2007, 09:57 PM
//Oh, I gotta quite drinking and hangin around this place. Its all fun and games till someone pokes an eye out.
From the looks of the screen grab above ya, I think maybe someone did get their eye poked out. Ewww!

But, great shot. From a technical standpoint, the "eww" is a good thing, no? Sorry about the possible reshoots. I've got to do a few, but luckilly my actors all live in the same house.

Keystoned
05-07-2007, 10:22 PM
Haha - I'll never tell.

I will quote the New Orleans P.D. when we had to show them our footage after Homeland Security shut us down.


___In a New Orleans Accent.

________________________OFFFICER
_______________Sure hope that's a dummy.


________________________TAYLOR
_______________No sir. Just an actor.

Wait that came out wrong. :laugh:

bosindy
05-07-2007, 10:42 PM
awesome grab. I am looking forward to this one! What are you using for the blood?

Dahopafilms
05-08-2007, 08:18 AM
... I will quote the New Orleans P.D. when we had to show them our footage after Homeland Security shut us down.


___In a New Orleans Accent.

________________________OFFFICER
_______________Sure hope that's a dummy.


________________________TAYLOR
_______________No sir. Just an actor.

Wait that came out wrong. :laugh:
Hey Keystoned,

Did you get any footage of the Homeland Security/NOPD guys descending on you? You really can't buy that kind of footage. Well, I guess you can, but it's expensive.

But good of them to shut you down and save the Western World. Thanks heavens they are focusing their resources where they are put to best use.

And that headshot with the blood looks great. Flowing blood is always a very nice effect.

Cheers.

Norm Sanders
05-08-2007, 02:00 PM
Nice grab, Taylor ... can only imagine what caused that kind of damage to his head (ice pick shoved through from the other side, perhaps maybe a sharp #2 pencill pushed into that ear, then swirled around like a blender, etc.)!

Ted Arabian
05-09-2007, 06:21 AM
Wow! That is an awesome grab!!! Yikes! Very pro look.

Texture
05-11-2007, 02:29 PM
Mr Bryson,

A belated welcome to DVXuser.

Here's wishing you success with SCHITTEKATTER.

Hope its sequel worthy, I'd love to see a "Welcome Back Katter."

Cheers,

Erik Paulsen

TimurCivan
05-11-2007, 04:58 PM
I heard somewhere that Strawberry syrup makes the best fake blood.... That looks better than strawberry styup..... It It ben Nye?

Keystoned
05-12-2007, 01:37 PM
Nice grab, Taylor ... can only imagine what caused that kind of damage to his head (ice pick shoved through from the other side, perhaps maybe a sharp #2 pencill pushed into that ear, then swirled around like a blender, etc.)!

Well ... telling would be a spoiler. But you are only seeing the back of his head, there could be all sorts of damage on the other side ... could be ... could be ... :)


Wow! That is an awesome grab!!! Yikes! Very pro look.
Thanks, that's some basic CC, mostly just bringing the black back since I shot flat. Trying not to get too caught up in CC until my cut is locked or I will spend forever tweaking the CC.



Mr Bryson,

A belated welcome to DVXuser.

Here's wishing you success with SCHITTEKATTER.

Hope its sequel worthy, I'd love to see a "Welcome Back Katter."

Cheers,

Erik Paulsen

And I thought my "going Dutch" joke was bad !
Thanks for the welcome :beer:


I heard somewhere that Strawberry syrup makes the best fake blood.... That looks better than strawberry styup..... It It ben Nye?

Haha yeah I read that here too - mixed with some chocolate syrup actually.
But I think that is when you need a lot of it.

We needed a medium amount, plus we wanted coagulated and fresh varieties. But short answer: yep that's Ben Nye.

Thanks for the interest all. Just finished my rough cut so hopefully I will have some more grabs and such up soon.

:beer:

Ted Arabian
05-15-2007, 06:58 AM
My fake blood recipe...

Chocolate syrup
Corn Syrup
Red Food dye

Works great and it's delicious! (but I never tried Strawberry syrup... that's sounds even better "tasting!")

Looking forward to more grabs!

Congrats on completing the rough cut.

-Ted

Keystoned
05-15-2007, 11:41 PM
these have just had basic color correction BTW, but that's about it ...
may change by upload date ... lots of factors to consider between now and then ...

These NEW GRABSposted here and on page 1 :

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1179287077.jpg
What's worse than two against one?

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1179287099.jpg
Three against one.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1179287143.jpg
I rack ... therefore I am.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1179287197.jpg
Since when do rivers make waves?

...

... and this old previously posted chestnut felt left out so he appears with the new set here.
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/7195/1178588464.jpg

:beer:

TimurCivan
05-16-2007, 12:07 AM
Looks great man.

Michael_Petro
05-16-2007, 12:29 AM
Hey i think that guys head is stuck to the ground... man i want some pancakes...

Matty_g
05-16-2007, 12:56 AM
Yeah those are some great looking stills.
I'm excited about this one.

Ben Sliker
05-16-2007, 09:31 AM
looks like some solid work with that adapter, great job.

AmyO
05-16-2007, 10:06 AM
Great stills. Nice CC work, too. The colors are very intense without being oversaturated. And I can't wait to see what leads up to that last still. Again, I say, "Ewwww"

Ted Arabian
05-16-2007, 06:11 PM
Taylor, these grabs look incredible!!! Wow!

I can't believe that you had to work against that white wall in the sun with an actor in a white shirt! I can't do that!!!

And I love the shots with the guy in front of the water.

Great work. I can't wait to see the flick!!!

-Ted

RebeccaD
05-16-2007, 06:47 PM
This looks very intriguing. I am anxious for the scene with the gross eye.....I agree with Amy...ewwww.

cinealma
05-16-2007, 07:26 PM
This is looking great, guys! I like the fact you are releasing widescreen. Really works out well when you've got more than a couple of actors interacting with each other. Looking forward to it.

Keystoned
05-18-2007, 06:20 PM
Looks great man.
Haha thanks man. I really owe my friend who let me barrow his 35mm adaptor while mine was being fixed.


Hey I think that guys head is stuck to the ground... man I want some pancakes...
Haha strawberry and chocolate syrup ... and now pancake syrup :laugh:


Yeah those are some great looking stills.
I'm excited about this one.
Thanks. I just have to get 4 or so trouble shots to match those guys. It will be a shame to have to do something stylized to the posted shots that work pretty much in camera to get them to match the few bad seeds because I like the unforced look of these.


looks like some solid work with that adapter, great job.
Thanks. I tried to use it to help tell the story as much as possible. When we got kicked off the pier by homeland security and had to finish on the concrete foundation of a house somewhere else, the adaptor helped us hide the fact that we switched locations.


Great stills. Nice CC work, too. The colors are very intense without being oversaturated. And I can't wait to see what leads up to that last still. Again, I say, "Ewwww"
Thanks again. Most of that is in camera. Just some matching and added contrast in post. I have a friend that shoots with everything flat including the master ped at 0 (blech) I won't do that again. So right out of the camera that is the principle difference in what is shown here - low contrast raw.


Taylor, these grabs look incredible!!! Wow!

I can't believe that you had to work against that white wall in the sun with an actor in a white shirt! I can't do that!!!

And I love the shots with the guy in front of the water.

Great work. I can't wait to see the flick!!!

-Ted
Thanks that means a lot coming from you ... what is the problem with the sun and wall and white shirt?

I think you mean you would worry about them blowing out?

There is a lot of light bouncing around where we shot. I just tried to expose for the actors face with a tiny bit of zebra in the sky or water or wall.


This looks very intriguing. I am anxious for the scene with the gross eye.....I agree with Amy...ewwww.
Haha there is no gross eye. Sorry :)


This is looking great, guys! I like the fact you are releasing widescreen. Really works out well when you've got more than a couple of actors interacting with each other. Looking forward to it.
Thanks, that means a lot coming from you. (I know I just said that) I hope it is half as effective as your Horrorfest entry.

Thanks for the interest everyone :beer:

Keystoned
05-21-2007, 01:27 AM
Woo Hoo!

FCP 6.0 (STUDIO 2) arrives a my door sometime today. Can't wait to try COLOR!

Timing couldn't be better.

Sorry I don't have more grabs / BTS to post, but I am excited about my new tool / toy!

slinks
05-21-2007, 06:11 AM
wow we got some dvxuser fest vets up in this project, I can't wait to see this one :).


new FCP eh? tell us how ya like it!

*sigh* I need a mac now...

Texture
05-21-2007, 10:35 AM
New software Mr. B?

I'm sure you've already checked the boards for opinions regarding stabilty.

If not, I'm not sure I would play with a major update so close to the contest deadlne...

Seems to be playing with fire in MHO.

Keystoned
05-21-2007, 12:02 PM
Hey ERIK/TEXTURE!

Erik is cleaning up some of our location sound. He is my hero. :beer:

I am brave. On the one hand Apple is notorious for buggy first releases. On the other hand they seemed to have done a lot of research on the updates. Also FCP is no that different in 6 I don't think. We will see. :eek:

And desperate to make some shots match which I'll have to push pretty far. So I need the new Color app.

Worst case scenario I will just reinstall FCP5 if I have to.

:beer:

(drum roll / cue the reality show intensity music as I install new NLE mid project, a week before deadline ... will the project survive? ... stay tuned) :)

Texture
05-21-2007, 12:46 PM
Bonne chance mon ami de la New Orleans ! Yes, I AM cleaning up the audio for Taylor.

Too many curse words! I'm deleting them ALL!!! :D

TimurCivan
05-21-2007, 12:50 PM
Haha thanks man. I really owe my friend who let me barrow his 35mm adaptor while mine was being fixed.



Wow youre lucky, i never lend mine out to anyone.....

Keystoned
05-21-2007, 01:46 PM
Haha thanks man. I really owe my friend who let me barrow his 35mm adaptor while mine was being fixed.

Wow youre lucky, i never lend mine out to anyone.....
Yeah my friend is cool. His stuff is like, on TV and stuff.

You New Yorkers sound stingy :)

But what do I know. Apparently I cannot spell "borrow" :laugh:

Mark Harris
05-21-2007, 02:13 PM
Yeah my friend is cool. His stuff is like, on TV and stuff.

Ah that's cool, what TV show does your friend do?

Keystoned
05-21-2007, 02:25 PM
I don't know if he has ever done any series. The stuff I know that he's done are movies that show on TV, like on cable networks and stuff like Lifetime or Sci Fi.

TimurCivan
05-21-2007, 03:07 PM
Ahh.... understood.

Beat Takeshi
05-21-2007, 03:14 PM
Those screen grabs look good. Good Luck!

RebeccaD
05-22-2007, 02:15 PM
Everything I've seen looks really top notch! I am excited to see the finished product.

Keystoned
05-24-2007, 07:34 PM
Locked my cut today. Or so I thought :) Showed it to a friend. Now I gotta few tweaks to do before the composers go to work tomorrow.


Hey thanks Aram and Rebecca for the kudos.

Rebecca too bad about Berlin for now. I wish you guys could still enter something.

Aram, looking forward to your multiple entries :beer:

RebeccaD
05-24-2007, 09:08 PM
Hey thanks Aram and Rebecca for the kudos.

Rebecca too bad about Berlin for now. I wish you guys could still enter something.


Yeah, that was a sad day when it was cancelled, but I hope to see it get made in the future.

Zenon
05-26-2007, 06:03 PM
Just checked out the grabs. Really nice, man! :) very crisp and proffesional looking. Reminds me of C.S.I.

Great stuff!

*WHIP!!* "back to work zenon!"

JOE BLO
05-27-2007, 12:32 PM
The grabs look great. Can't wait for this one. Glad you're happy with yor cut.

Keystoned
05-28-2007, 09:39 PM
Just checked out the grabs. Really nice, man! :) very crisp and proffesional looking. Reminds me of C.S.I.

Great stuff!

*WHIP!!* "back to work zenon!"

Haha thanks.

I definately had some TV cop show influences for this. Not CSI though. Never got into that one. The Sheild and NYPD Blue though. Love me some Sipowicz.

http://a.abc.com/primetime/nypdblue/images/gallery/2002/nypd_franz_V.jpg



The grabs look great. Can't wait for this one. Glad you're happy with yor cut.
As happy as possible :)

I think I have everything I need from other folks.

- Cleaned up location Audio and Matched ADR from Erik (Texture)
- Score from Herman Witkam and Sid Barnhoorn.

Man those three worked their butts off.

I feel bad for Herman and Sid because they did wall to wall scoring (as per my request). The music was great, but since it is such an actor driven "less is more" kind of piece we wound up simplifying and cutting back a great deal.

They were really patient and supportive of me feeling my way through this post process. Real pro's those guys.

Erik has really had his work cut out for him sweetening all the audio too. And yet he still went the extra mile and even tried some "experiments" so I would have choices.

Wow.

Thanks guys

:beer:

Texture
05-31-2007, 01:22 PM
Hey T,

An honor to be on the Schittekatter Krewe.

I recall you mentioning you were getting deep into color correction. Can't wait to see the final print...

E.

Herman Witkam
05-31-2007, 02:09 PM
I feel bad for Herman and Sid because they did wall to wall scoring (as per my request). The music was great, but since it is such an actor driven "less is more" kind of piece we wound up simplifying and cutting back a great deal.

Most of the 'elements' of the score we composed are actually still in there, so I'm ending up being happy with it, and I agree on the 'less is more' philosophy - As a cinema fan I applaud that :beer:

Keystoned
06-01-2007, 11:17 PM
Ok finally coming back to the land of the living after a rough night getting this thing locked and loaded.

Here's the quicky poster I did last night while the movie was rendering for the web (also on first post of thread now).
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1180760530.jpg



_

cinealma
06-02-2007, 01:10 AM
Great work, guys! Looking forward to it, or as my six-year old who likes to look over my shoulder when I'm on the computer, "that shi*ty Cat" movie. At least that's the way he pronounces it. He likes big words. :)

I just read the post about the homeland security. Jeez, I've seen a lot of stories like this during this round of films. Maybe it's just the genre? Well, people running all over the place with guns and blood and stuff, I guess there's a risk there. :huh:

leechoid
06-03-2007, 10:03 AM
Yeah man, that's looking awesome. You got some serious gear there, too!

After seeing that picture of that ONE guy, I think I'd take direction all the time, ha ha!

Can't wait to see it!!

Norm Sanders
06-03-2007, 04:51 PM
Hey Taylor, glad to see you made it in, and nice simple poster as well, yet with a gritty feel to it. Also like the double meaning of the tagline, since we visibly see a wire/microphone. Cool stuff. :thumbsup:

Keystoned
06-04-2007, 01:29 AM
Yeah man, that's looking awesome. You got some serious gear there, too!

After seeing that picture of that ONE guy, I think I'd take direction all the time, ha ha!

Can't wait to see it!!
Thanks dude. Haha, looking forward to checking out your perfomance. Here is the evolution of one of the bloody grabs.

Posted a while back:
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/7195/1178588464.jpg

I think that exact frame is cut from the final. I spent 2 DAYS editing and re-editing the 30 seconds associated with this and had 5 versions I think. But anyway here is a new grab from the completed contest version with a mix of practical and post blood and final grading.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/24956/1180939543.jpg



Hey T,

An honor to be on the Schittekatter Krewe.

I recall you mentioning you were getting deep into color correction. Can't wait to see the final print...

E.
Well I got rushed near the end. Too many new systems to put online, software, monitors etc. :zombie_smiley: Plus lots of work that needed to be done on the sound as you are well aware. We got it there though. Thanks for your help man.
Most of the 'elements' of the score we composed are actually still in there, so I'm ending up being happy with it, and I agree on the 'less is more' philosophy - As a cinema fan I applaud that :beer: Glad you are happy. It is the same as you last heard except for the small cue that precedes the first time someone says SCHITTEKATTER. Wound up cutting that. I think I mentioned to you that I would probably go back and forth on that one until the last minute. I just listened to it on different speakers than I mixed it on and the music seemed to quiet. I am hoping it is just because these crappy other speakers have no bass response. Sorry if it is too quiet, it is a tough balance with the kind of subtilty we were going for. Seemed perfect on my headphones, so like I say I hope the only reason it seems to quiet now is the cheesy computer speakers i was listening on. In either case we can work on it after the fest until we are both happy. Thanks again to you and Sid for your work :beer:


Great work, guys! Looking forward to it, or as my six-year old who likes to look over my shoulder when I'm on the computer, "that shi*ty Cat" movie. At least that's the way he pronounces it. He likes big words. :) Haha DON'T let him watch it unless you are the most liberal of parents. There is a poo poo load of poo pooing cuss words in this film. Like maybe almost every line, lol. I am looking at Norm's banner and wishing I had put a rating on my poster like that, and maybe a warning in my synopsis. Oh well.


I just read the post about the homeland security. Jeez, I've seen a lot of stories like this during this round of films. Maybe it's just the genre? Well, people running all over the place with guns and blood and stuff, I guess there's a risk there. :huh:

We barely had the gun out. It was just that we had a giant camera set up near the levees and the Crescent City Connection (big suspension bridge).


Hey Taylor, glad to see you made it in, and nice simple poster as well, yet with a gritty feel to it. Also like the double meaning of the tagline, since we visibly see a wire/microphone. Cool stuff. :thumbsup:
heheh, thanks. The poster was done while Compressor was rendering my 1st and 2nd attempts of the web version of the movie, during the 11th hour right before I uploaded.


Thanks for the interest and support. Hope you guys enjoy it. :beer:

Norm Sanders
06-04-2007, 02:28 AM
Wow, NICE compositing of post work into that ... very impressive! Looking foward to watching this ... should only be a matter of hours now. If I'm not mistaken, you've tweaked your banner further as well. Dig the new look!

Keystoned
06-04-2007, 12:16 PM
Thanks.

Yeah I tweaked the banner a bit to match the final CC a bit more. Not exactly like the final CC but at least closer to the pallet.

Ted Arabian
06-04-2007, 01:11 PM
OMG! WOW! What a great looking and edited film! Love it! I have more to write but I have to go re-download your film... :crybaby: IT STOPPED AT 4:45!!!

I'M ANXIOUS to see how this ends!!!!

Great, GREAT film so far!

-Ted

bosindy
06-04-2007, 01:16 PM
This is a really good film. I really like it.

I thought the cinematography was fantastic for the one location. The angles were interesting and the shallow DOF was very filmic. Also the increased aspect ratio looked amazing.

The guy playing Robby can really act! The pacing of the dialogue was superb. The bookie was well cast.

I thought the story was simple but effective. It doesn't try to do too much and it effectively builds suspense. SPOILER I thought the ....got off a little to easy.

Congrats, this one will be up there for me. Great Job!

Edgen
06-04-2007, 01:23 PM
Wew hew! Congrats.. One of the better looking/story films I've seen so far. I really dug the shots as it set the mood of the film. LOVE shots where half the screen is filled with nothingness.

Music.. Herman and Sid... Damn fellas. Wonderful collaboration. Now to pick it apart to see who scored what :) The end cue was killer!

cheers Taylor!
/j

Ted Arabian
06-04-2007, 01:31 PM
Wow! Taylor.... well done! Shcit.... I'd work on a film with you anyday! That was great!

Nice, nice editing. Nice staging of the actors and action. Lovely camera work and cinematography.

Good for you! Can't wait to re-watch this!

-Ted

Michael Anthony Horrigan
06-04-2007, 01:37 PM
This download keeps crapping out on me! I'll try again soon.
I'm looking forward to this one...

Mike

Dustin R. Rogan
06-04-2007, 02:03 PM
I liked the look and feel of the flick, though to be honest i saw it coming with the ending the first part, not the final part (sorta) *if you seen it you know what I mean* i think i just confused everyone including myself...anyways, good film, and I now know what a Schittekatter is thanks lol

Gary French
06-04-2007, 02:09 PM
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wesley
06-04-2007, 02:27 PM
great music by sid and herman :D

cinematography was great, looked really good for just one location. I kinda missed the spyfest feeling though.

story was predictable but it it still kicked ass, it''s probably end up in my top 3 cause i already watched quite a few.

cinealma
06-04-2007, 02:35 PM
Ok. So this is one fine looking film, I gotta say. Kind of felt like I was watching a crime-drama on tv. Photography was absolutely beautiful and brilliant. Acting was top notch and what made it really cool was the casting of the characters. Each guy had their own distinct look and language/dialect/accent, and that really helps to sell the story.

As far as "seeing the ending coming", you know, as "obvious" as it may have been, I really wasn't 100% sure that the bookie was the rat. I feel that your film kept up the suspense enough to say to myself, "Yeah, it's probably the bookie, but I'm not sure."

Ok. So, now I don't like how it ends. I felt the bullet through the head/explosion thing was little over-the-top for the piece. I would have liked something less definitive, so that the story could go on long after the curtain, if you know what I mean. Maybe the young partner could then prove himself by being tasked with eliminating the bookie and that's how it ends. I don't know.

Oh, yeah, and I REALLY wanted to see one of those pool tables!

Good job! Enjoyed it! An excellent film!

Thanks for screening.

-zach-
06-04-2007, 02:58 PM
The first thing I noticed when I saw this was WOW- listen to that sound! (WHAT MIC DID YOU USE?!) The second thing was- WOW, visuals. Just, aesthetically, a great film here. Some have had good sound but lacking in visuals, some have had mediocre sound but great visuals, but this was great in both departments. It was very dialogue heavy but that's the nature of it, but that's not to say the story wasn't extremely interesting. It took something trivial (the pool table) and made it an important matter of the film. And the ending was really great, I don't want to give it away for those who haven't seen it.

Michael Anthony Horrigan
06-04-2007, 03:05 PM
Visually, it was very nice. Great DOF!
Loved the fact that you shot this in one location. Great story and even better acting! Really, great acting!

The only thing I found a tad fake was the beating that the guy received. Other than that this movie was excellent!

Top notch!

Mike

Hootzie
06-04-2007, 04:47 PM
Awesome film. Great crime drama short. Only thing left to do with this one is get nitpicky.
The head beating wasn't as effective as I wanted it to be. I think it would have been great to just do it with sound and show the results. And the final blowing of the brains out was too much. The gunshot in a black screen would have been much more effective I think from a story telling point of view.

Weston
06-04-2007, 05:55 PM
I thought it was great. One of the best in the fest.

The dialog was realistic....the shots, sound, and acting were really good.

The only thing i thought was a bit off was that Robbie didnt look banged up enough to "not make it".

Keystoned
06-04-2007, 06:08 PM
Thanks for the feedback everyone!

I agree with pretty much all of the crits, and am relieved to hear the kudos when given.


This is a really good film. I really like it.

I thought the cinematography was fantastic for the one location. The angles were interesting and the shallow DOF was very filmic. Also the increased aspect ratio looked amazing.

The guy playing Robby can really act! The pacing of the dialogue was superb. The bookie was well cast.

I thought the story was simple but effective. It doesn't try to do too much and it effectively builds suspense. SPOILER I thought ... got off a little to easy.

Congrats, this one will be up there for me. Great Job! Glad you liked it man. Regarding the spoiler, while it would be well within their code of "honor" to whack the individual you are referring to, the shrewd move would be to have him go on doing what he has been doing and for them just not to do anything that would incriminate themselves. But I get where you are coming from. It is a pretty violent world I have established and maybe they should have at least smacked him some, or given him some sort of formal punishment. They could have done that and still have him go on wearing the wire I imagine. Definitely a good note. I guess mostly I did not want to spend time on that after the reveal and wanted to move on to dealing with the more major characters.

Thanks for the honest feed back!


Wew hew! Congrats.. One of the better looking/story films I've seen so far. I really dug the shots as it set the mood of the film. LOVE shots where half the screen is filled with nothingness.

Music.. Herman and Sid... Damn fellas. Wonderful collaboration. Now to pick it apart to see who scored what :) The end cue was killer!

cheers Taylor!
/j
Thanks, I am glad you like the music. It was a challenging process to find the right balance of how much to score and how much to leave a lone. Herman and Sid were very easy to work with and gave me a lot of leeway to do what I needed with the time crunch to make it work.

I added the motif of a distant train as a type of sound design underscore element and tried to blend that with the ambient music they created.


Wow! Taylor.... well done! Shcit.... I'd work on a film with you anyday! That was great!

Nice, nice editing. Nice staging of the actors and action. Lovely camera work and cinematography.

Good for you! Can't wait to re-watch this!

-Ted
Thanks Ted. Glad you liked the staging and camera work. One thing I tried to do was establish a new AXIS line every time the scene took a major turn.


I liked the look and feel of the flick, though to be honest i saw it coming with the ending the first part, not the final part (sorta) *if you seen it you know what I mean* i think i just confused everyone including myself...anyways, good film, and I now know what a Schittekatter is thanks lol

Haha. I think I follow you. Thanks for the honest feedback Dustin!


Very well done; the acting really knocked my socks off! You did a damn good job keeping the emotion and suspense up. The only downside is that the ending seemed kind of obvious to me, although that’s a slight downside considering the suspense was in full gear all the way till the credits rolled. This is so far in my top 3! Damn good job.


Thanks Gary. I appreciate the feedback.

great music by sid and herman :D

cinematography was great, looked really good for just one location. I kinda missed the spyfest feeling though.

story was predictable but it it still kicked ass, it''s probably end up in my top 3 cause i already watched quite a few.

Thanks Wesley. Sorry it didn't feel spy-ish enough to you. :( Though, hopefully you can take it for what it is. There was a lot of talk about what SpyFest meant and that came down to having surveillance or covert information gathering being a central part of the story, not tuxedo's and martinis, so that's what I was going with. The latter seemed to production intensive for me. I haven't watched the other films yet (about to) but hopefully there are lots of spy-ish type things for you to enjoy.

Thanks for your feedback, and glad you liked it even though it was not what you were hoping for :beer:


Ok. So this is one fine looking film, I gotta say. Kind of felt like I was watching a crime-drama on tv. Yeah I can see that. NYPD Blue is a huge influence for me. 2nd after that would be the Sheild. Movies are usually about something bigger and the bad guy is usually much more developed. I feel like this is approriae scale for a short, but because it is just these guys dealing with an internal issue, and it does not have a larger thematic argument, I can definately see where you could get a TV crime drama hit off of it.


Photography was absolutely beautiful and brilliant. Acting was top notch and what made it really cool was the casting of the characters. Each guy had their own distinct look and language/dialect/accent, and that really helps to sell the story.
Thanks. Especially in a short film, that visual short hand really helps I think. I really enjoyed working with those actors. The Bookie character was a late edition. That actor and the actor that played the older tougher cop (Dane) are good friends. The actor that plays the bookie was there when Dane and I were going over early versions of story ideas. I had seen the bookie actor in ODD Squad and I kept thinking - man I gotta use this guy somehow, he is such a good character type.


As far as "seeing the ending coming", you know, as "obvious" as it may have been, I really wasn't 100% sure that the ... was the rat. I feel that your film kept up the suspense enough to say to myself, "Yeah, it's probably ..., but I'm not sure."
I appreciate that that element of the story worked for you. Who the rat is drives the story but it is more about how Robbie's character, as the cahrasmatic leader, handles the situatio, IMHO. And really it could easily have been at least one of the other character, the one that doth protest too much for example. I think the sustained suspense people are talking about comes less from "who's the rat" and more from "what will these guys do once the rat is discovered" or if person A or B turns out to be the rat. Anyway, glad you bought into the world and the characters enough to stay with it and keep guessing.


Ok. So, now I don't like how it ends. I felt the bullet through the head/explosion thing was little over-the-top for the piece. I would have liked something less definitive, so that the story could go on long after the curtain, if you know what I mean. Maybe the young partner could then prove himself by being tasked with eliminating the bookie and that's how it ends. I don't know.
Hey I like that ending :beer: I'm pretty happy with the ending we have, but not as happy as I would have been with the original ending that got robbed from us by homeland security. I don't want to make too many excuses for the movie because we all faced the challenges of the no-budget stolen shoot, but we were kicked off our location with two hours of sunlight remaining on the day we absolutely had to wrap shooting. After the cops went through all our stuff we had about 90 minutes to find a new location, cheat it for the pier, and come up with an entirely different narrative ending. The orginal ending could not be done without wide shots. Rene's line "Holy shi* Robby. They said it was ... ... ..." and the guys walking towards the kid at the ending are shot on a vacant lot nowhere near the water. You can't tell for Rene's line because it is a downward angle to a cement ground and you can't tell for the final shot because the DOF is so shallow. But we could not do much more than that. No closeups for dialogue etc. So it changed the hole narrative of the short. We came up with an ending together. Later we re-wrote even that ending, since their were no faces on camera, by making the dialogue different in the ADR.

Maybe I will post the original ending / script. Although the ending of the original script is almost as finite as the current ending.


Oh, yeah, and I REALLY wanted to see one of those pool tables!

Good job! Enjoyed it! An excellent film!

Thanks for screening.
haha yeah they must be something for that much money.

thanks for the VERY Detailed feedback!


The first thing I noticed when I saw this was WOW- listen to that sound! (WHAT MIC DID YOU USE?!) The second thing was- WOW, visuals. Just, aesthetically, a great film here. Some have had good sound but lacking in visuals, some have had mediocre sound but great visuals, but this was great in both departments. It was very dialogue heavy but that's the nature of it, but that's not to say the story wasn't extremely interesting. It took something trivial (the pool table) and made it an important matter of the film. And the ending was really great, I don't want to give it away for those who haven't seen it.
Cool so we have one all in favor of the ending. Really appreciating all the diverse and honest feedback guys.:)

The mics we used were the Sennheiser G1 series lavs. I am glad you liked the sound, especially the quality of the location sound. We worked very hard on it. Erik, Texture, did a great job of rolling off a lot of the low rumble of nearby traffic, then I spent about 50 hours after that EQuing it line by line trying to further minimize the noise and make sure it was clear with everything else going on. It was REALLY REALLY hard to get it to sound like it does and I still worry about how it would sound on a system with lots of low end.

I really like these lavs, but also the location sound works to the degree that it does do to lots of love in post. The basics of what we did can be found on this great link resource for EQuing :
Magic Frequencies (http://www.digitalprosound.com/2002/03_mar/tutorials/mixing_excerpt1.htm)


Visually, it was very nice. Great DOF!
Loved the fact that you shot this in one location. Great story and even better acting! Really, great acting!

The only thing I found a tad fake was the beating that the guy received. Other than that this movie was excellent!

Top notch!

Mike
Glad you liked the story. In terms of the single location, we wanted to keep this short manageable. We wanted to do something good and given the time and resources we had, that meant less is more. Also I wanted to explore a longer scene with actors playing objectives and through-lines from beginning to end.

As for the head beating ... :( I know. I edited 5 versions of it and spent two days on it. Unfortunately a reshoot was not in the cards for us. Just not possible.

Glad you really liked it otherwise.


Awesome film. Great crime drama short. Only thing left to do with this one is get nitpicky. heheh.

The head beating wasn't as effective as I wanted it to be. I think it would have been great to just do it with sound and show the results. And the final blowing of the brains out was too much. The gunshot in a black screen would have been much more effective I think from a story telling point of view.
Yeah, I won't I'll not use another sad face emoticon on the head beating but I hear you and think you are probably right. I am too close to it because I worked it to death in post. I did try a version where we did not show the head hitting the ground at all. But we felt it was better with one or two quick cuts of the head. I will keep working that section, not sure what to do. Another problem is we don't really have coverage of the guy doing the beating due to having to move locations with very little sunlight left and having to write a whole new ending. Again we had to wrap that day because a member of our team was flying out of state indefinitely after the shoot and for related reasons a re-shoot was out of the question. The footage IS mostly of the guy doing the beating. But that is from one short take where he is doing something else actually and it is blown up and resized and moved around and zoomed in and out of to make it look like different footage. Maybe I need to cut all but one head hit, really amp up the sound with a good head crack maybe, and loop the footage of the guy doing the beating another two seconds if possible to make it seem like it goes on longer. could try a version with no head hitting the ground at all as well. What do you think.

As for the end blowing the brains out ... I will re-examine that. I had thought that what I did was so fast, and stylized enough that it was more of a bookend than a literal blowing out of the brains. But every time I choose subtlety on this piece, I find that less is more, so you maybe on to something here. In fact you are probably right. I will try just a flash dissolver with no blood - this is how the movie starts as well.

OK marking you guys down to send copies of my NEXT short to BEFORE the next contest so I can get all this great feedback before hand :laugh: :beer: Loving the feedback though. VERY helpful.

ripupthehwy
06-04-2007, 08:20 PM
Oh YEAH THIS ONE ROCKS!!!

ABSOLUTELY THE BEST ACTING IN THE ENTIRE FEST!

I also liked the shots and your creativity with the "half-face" shots when they were talking about the pool table he bought for him. NICE.


rich nation

-zach-
06-04-2007, 08:36 PM
As for the end blowing the brains out ... I will re-examine that. I had thought that what I did was so fast, and stylized enough that it was more of a bookend than a literal blowing out of the brains. But every time I choose subtlety on this piece, I find that less is more, so you maybe on to something here. In fact you are probably right. I will try just a flash dissolver with no blood - this is how the movie starts as well.

I don't think you went wrong here - the shot, it's 4 frames. It depends on the viewer's perspective of it. Alot of the effect is what we fill in after the fact. I may be wrong, but I'd leave it.

Michael_Petro
06-04-2007, 10:03 PM
dude you did more with one location than i did with my 87 :) great acting great camera work for that one location... just nice, kept me interested the whole way through.... gonna watch this thing again and glean a few things from your dialogue shots...

Blake Balu
06-04-2007, 10:11 PM
Definitely glad to be aboard this ship. Taylor Rocks. Had a great time working with him and such a great cast. .. Even if he dragged me under the bridge at 4 in the morning and threatened to dump me in the river... The COLD COLD river ... and beat me till I took his direction properly....you grow to appreciate it though...as an actor.......he really takes you there.
This really was a BLAST!

chris f
06-04-2007, 10:19 PM
Standard Disclaimer: I've yet to see a bad film so far in this fest. Congratulations to every film maker, everyone did a great job. All my comments and criticisms are meant to be constructive and helpful and in no way am I trying to take anything away from what you accomplished.

Good: Good story, good characters, good acting, good cinematography, good location. The blood looked very cool.

Not as Good: Another film that seems to be a little heavy on dialogue and light on action. Would love to see some flashbacks of what they were talking about (or something else to break up the single location).

mjjason
06-04-2007, 10:39 PM
I put this film in my top 3. Very good acting and style. The story was somewhat here and there with the reveal and all but I really enjoyed it.

JOE BLO
06-04-2007, 10:49 PM
Excellent Job. I thought the Acting was superior. The cinematography was great. Congrats.

Keystoned
06-04-2007, 11:32 PM
Thanks for the feedback everyone! Really appreciated all comments here, both kudos and dings. The first helps me have the confidence to make the next one, the latter helps me make a better next one. So again. Thanks :beer:

Just catching up to a few of these before beddy by time....


I thought it was great. One of the best in the fest.

The dialog was realistic....the shots, sound, and acting were really good.

The only thing i thought was a bit off was that Robbie didnt look banged up enough to "not make it".

Thanks Weston I appreciate the feedback :beer:


Oh YEAH THIS ONE ROCKS!!!

ABSOLUTELY THE BEST ACTING IN THE ENTIRE FEST!

I also liked the shots and your creativity with the "half-face" shots when they were talking about the pool table he bought for him. NICE.


rich nation

Thanks Rich, the actors will appreciate that.

I will post some grabs tomorrow that show how I added eye light for those half closeups in post :)


I don't think you went wrong here - the shot, it's 4 frames. It depends on the viewer's perspective of it. Alot of the effect is what we fill in after the fact. I may be wrong, but I'd leave it.

More to consider. I'm finding on this short is about small little choices. Will have to mull it over. Thanks for coming back to share your thoughts on the matter :beer:


dude you did more with one location than i did with my 87 :) great acting great camera work for that one location... just nice, kept me interested the whole way through.... gonna watch this thing again and glean a few things from your dialogue shots...

haha, thanks, man. I tend to not have enough establishing or wide shots though. When the Book Shows up I should have cut to a long reverse there so you could see the three guys from a far from the other side. But no coverage. Since the actors did not really have time to learn the scene and I did not have time to story board or block, we had to do that on the fly. So we were getting close-ups and mediums first. I thought by the end of getting through shooting the whole scene we would all know it well enough to shoot some long shots all the way through -- but if you've been following along at home, we got kicked off our location before we could do that.

Not that I really know what I am doing, but if you are serious about taking a look at the dialogue coverage and closeups, take a look at how the shots move closer to the eyeline as they get closer.

Thanks for the feedback man. Maybe on my next short I will pull out all the stops and have hot chicks in planes and stuff like you did :thumbsup: still love that purple mural shot.

.....

Looking forward to responding to the rest miñana. Good night all, and thanks again :beer:

abalex
06-05-2007, 12:25 AM
Great short my friend! great acting, very believable, one of my top 3!

G.

Matt Harris
06-05-2007, 12:51 AM
i love this film. flawless. start to finish. Congrats.
-Matt

Danielleus
06-05-2007, 01:20 AM
Hey just saw the piece. Liked the dialogue. The acting was really, well, ditto on what the others said. They nailed it. Really great there. Camerawork, great (would've liked a little more face on the XCU, but personal taste, eh). This one felt cinematic to me. Kept me in. Felt complete in itself but also like a larger tale that should be turned in to for later stuff.
Didn't buy the guy with the accent. His acting was good but his accent was not doing it for me. If that was his real accent, I'm sorry. Where is he from?
The violence was hit and miss for me. The gun to the head near the end was great. The Gunshot to the head was great for me. The actually beating of the guy, maybe not so much. And ditto on what the guy said about not making it. Maybe have him shot a couple times. Also, I thought the movie would have helped if we didn't ever know what the Mcguffin was. Just let them talk about it, around it, have them understand each other. Explaining it was a little weak. Loved the rationale for why he was doing it, etc. Still, it's a pool table.
Loved it. Love to see more. Good work and good luck.

Norm Sanders
06-05-2007, 01:31 AM
Don't change a thing. Not a frame. More to come later ...

Herman Witkam
06-05-2007, 01:32 AM
Music.. Herman and Sid... Damn fellas. Wonderful collaboration. Now to pick it apart to see who scored what :) The end cue was killer!

Thanks Justin! Sid initially came up with more of the ambient stuff, and I tried more percussive stuff, but we both mangled each others' work as well :)


great music by sid and herman :D


Thanks Wesley! Looking forward to possibly working on your next film :beer:

Mike@AF
06-05-2007, 03:59 AM
Probably a repeat of what's already been said. Great cinematrography and the acting was excellent. However... I thought the story was predictable as soon as the bookie showed up. I though the beating was unrealistic... I would have shot the smashing his head into the ground undercranked so it played faster. It just looked fake. I thought the gunshot at the end was over the top... especially for the amount of realism in the rest of the film. Aside from that I thought it was excellent!

Noel Evans
06-05-2007, 04:45 AM
Im going to try and be very picky here, as everyone already knows this is a great short. Really well executed. The type of short that really gets me excited to do more and more narrative.

One location? The script was very well written and coupled with the dynamic pacing and composition thats something I never even thought about while watching.

Audio was probably the best Ive heard yet.

Very well acted. Now this is where it gets serious - you cant have good acting without solid dialogue and direction - congratulations on getting it right.

Now to the picky part and this first one is very picky. Your light changed direction in some shots. I assume due to the sequence they were actually shot.

Second at 3.20 you start a small sequence of CU OTS shots, I thought the angle wasnt quite right. As in there was too much face cut off.

And lastly; someone already mentioned. Robbie didnt look quite bashed enough to be done for at the end.

The picky ones are just IMO so you can take it or leave it. For such a great short I wanted to try to be as constructive as possible.

Ralph Oshiro
06-05-2007, 05:04 AM
EXTREMELY COMPETENT FILMMAKING—WELL DONE!

I felt like I was watching a "movie." Best actors and performances I've seen yet. Great dialogue writing. Although I wish there was more action, and more than one location, it's still the most "movie-ish" of the bunch! This may be the only entry I've seen so far where I thought for a moment that your actors were not actors, but real people, spurting spontaneous, unscripted conversation. Also, well-shot, and some interesting over-the-shoulder compositions. Loved the shallow depth-of-focus as well. Mission accompished!

dvpixl
06-05-2007, 07:53 AM
I was impressed with the blocking and the cinematography going hand in hand. It was well thought out. Superb dialogue. Also, it's great when you can watch something and you look for emotions in the character and forget everything else.

Alex Jeffery
06-05-2007, 08:46 AM
High stakes, really nice. Great performances from everyone. I like how we were thrown right into the middle of the story here. There were a lot of creative shots, and so many shots in general that it never seemed to drag. I thought you created sympathy for Rob in a very natural way that didn't seem forced which was great!

SPOILERS AHEAD:

My only beef was that I saw the wire twist coming as soon as the other character was introduced.

But great film! Very professional. I hope I can make stuff like this one day.

Blake Balu
06-05-2007, 09:18 AM
Hey Everyone, thanks for all the feedback. Good fun. I just wanted to clear something up since there seems to be a little character confusion. Dane Rhodes played the older cop whose name is Robby and I (Blake Balu) played Ted the younger guy with the blood issue. It's kinda hard to catch my name, but Robby says it when he says "We're not bad cops Ted". It kinda slips by, I even had to watch it a couple of times to see where it was said. Thanks alot everyone, again.

Keystoned
06-05-2007, 01:11 PM
THANKS FOR THE COMMENTS ALL!!!

It's my pleasure to catch up with a few now :)


Definitely glad to be aboard this ship. Taylor Rocks. Had a great time working with him and such a great cast. .. Even if he dragged me under the bridge at 4 in the morning and threatened to dump me in the river... The COLD COLD river ... and beat me till I took his direction properly....you grow to appreciate it though...as an actor.......he really takes you there.
This really was a BLAST!
haha, thanks Blake you were awesome to work with!


Standard Disclaimer: I've yet to see a bad film so far in this fest. Congratulations to every film maker, everyone did a great job. All my comments and criticisms are meant to be constructive and helpful and in no way am I trying to take anything away from what you accomplished.

Good: Good story, good characters, good acting, good cinematography, good location. The blood looked very cool.

Not as Good: Another film that seems to be a little heavy on dialogue and light on action. Would love to see some flashbacks of what they were talking about (or something else to break up the single location).

Interesting on the flashback idea. I think they can sometimes, though not always, be a cheap trick. Something I recommend everyone do is follow along with silence of the lambs with the script. It's a great lesson in structure, as you get to about pg 30, you get to about minute 30 and act one ends, etc. You also see that whole scenes were cut to have things line up that way (you have to not count the cut pages). But also you see when they chose to use the SCRIPTED flashback scenes of Clarice's youth and when they opted to stay on the actors. Basically, they used every flashback described, dad picking daughter up, Clarice at his funeral, until the end when she's describing the screaming of the lambs and Hannibal tells her what it means sort of. Here they stay in tight closeup at this pivotal moment, and ignore the scripted flashback. Now while I am very happy with my actors in every regard, I will not be so bold as to hold them up to Jody Foster and Anthony Hopkins, but the rationale in that moment was that nothing could be as interesting or was more important than these two characters dealing with this information. I am not saying you are right or wrong at all - don't get me wrong. What I wanted to work on with this piece however, was telling a story with just the actors. I can see, particularly at the beginning some B&W grainy flashbacks working etc. But I wanted to experiment with the most basic tools here. I feel I still attempted to tell the story visually by choice of angle and composition, but again I wanted to intentionally limit myself to just the actors and their interaction for this go around.

Thanks for the feedback and going into detail on even something small. I really appreciate it. :beer:


I put this film in my top 3. Very good acting and style. The story was somewhat here and there with the reveal and all but I really enjoyed it.


Excellent Job. I thought the Acting was superior. The cinematography was great. Congrats.


Great short my friend! great acting, very believable, one of my top 3!

G.

i love this film. flawless. start to finish. Congrats.
-Matt
Thanks guys. I appreciate your comments!


Hey just saw the piece. Liked the dialogue. The acting was really, well, ditto on what the others said. They nailed it. Really great there. Camerawork, great (would've liked a little more face on the XCU, but personal taste, eh). This one felt cinematic to me. Kept me in. Felt complete in itself but also like a larger tale that should be turned in to for later stuff. Didn't buy the guy with the accent. His acting was good but his accent was not doing it for me. If that was his real accent, I'm sorry. Where is he from?
Heehee, yeah that is his real accent. He is from France.


The violence was hit and miss for me. The gun to the head near the end was great. The Gunshot to the head was great for me. The actually beating of the guy, maybe not so much. And ditto on what the guy said about not making it. Maybe have him shot a couple times. Also, I thought the movie would have helped if we didn't ever know what the Mcguffin was. Just let them talk about it, around it, have them understand each other. Explaining it was a little weak. Loved the rationale for why he was doing it, etc. Still, it's a pool table.
Well darn. I was going for irony with the pool table. The point is that it is something so simple and stupid, and things get so out of hand because of it. This is maybe the only thing I kind of disagree with in your comments. But if it didn't work for you, it didn't work for you. Sorry about that, especially since you seemed to have mostly dug it.


Loved it. Love to see more. Good work and good luck.

Thanks very much for your comments and taking the time to go into detail :beer:


Don't change a thing. Not a frame. More to come later ...
haha, well there are LOTS of frames and shots I would like to change.

Thanks Justin! Sid initially came up with more of the ambient stuff, and I tried more percussive stuff, but we both mangled each others' work as well :) ...

And then I really mangled it. Testament to these to that they are still talking to me ... I think ... :huh:


Probably a repeat of what's already been said. Great cinematrography and the acting was excellent. However... I thought the story was predictable as soon as the bookie showed up. I though the beating was unrealistic... I would have shot the smashing his head into the ground undercranked so it played faster. It just looked fake. I thought the gunshot at the end was over the top... especially for the amount of realism in the rest of the film. Aside from that I thought it was excellent!

Thanks flmmker. I either agree with all of your points or definitly see them as very viable alternatives. Thanks for giving me things to thing about as I lock the cut after contest.


Im going to try and be very picky here, as everyone already knows this is a great short. Really well executed. The type of short that really gets me excited to do more and more narrative.

One location? The script was very well written and coupled with the dynamic pacing and composition thats something I never even thought about while watching.

Audio was probably the best Ive heard yet. That is soooooo good to hear. The post on the audio nearly killed us. It was ridiculous how hard it was. So thank you thank you thank you on behalf of me and Erik (texture) who did the initial sweetening pass and my co-producer / AD Marcus who recorded some last minute ADR for me.




Very well acted. Now this is where it gets serious - you cant have good acting without solid dialogue and direction - congratulations on getting it right.

Now to the picky part and this first one is very picky. Your light changed direction in some shots. I assume due to the sequence they were actually shot.

Second at 3.20 you start a small sequence of CU OTS shots, I thought the angle wasnt quite right. As in there was too much face cut off.
Thanks. Hopefully this reads as a very intentional choice than a mistake. It was the former. Could easily have framed more face in of course. Sorry if the framing pushed you out of the story here. It's different but I do like these shots a lot and we were pretty excited about them on set. I guess when you go extreme like this you do run the risk of alienating some people. So your comments are a good lesson for me to hear, and put in my bag of things to consider for the next one.


And lastly; someone already mentioned. Robbie didnt look quite bashed enough to be done for at the end.

The picky ones are just IMO so you can take it or leave it. For such a great short I wanted to try to be as constructive as possible.

And I really appreciate it. Having a blast here mostly because people like you are going into such detail to help me make this film or the next one better. Thanks :beer:


EXTREMELY COMPETENT FILMMAKING—WELL DONE!

I felt like I was watching a "movie." Best actors and performances I've seen yet. Great dialogue writing. Although I wish there was more action, and more than one location, it's still the most "movie-ish" of the bunch! This may be the only entry I've seen so far where I thought for a moment that your actors were not actors, but real people, spurting spontaneous, unscripted conversation. Also, well-shot, and some interesting over-the-shoulder compositions. Loved the shallow depth-of-focus as well. Mission accompished!

Thanks very much for sharing your detailed review Ralph :thumbsup:


I was impressed with the blocking and the cinematography going hand in hand. It was well thought out. Superb dialogue. Also, it's great when you can watch something and you look for emotions in the character and forget everything else.
Thanks dvpixl. My goal, though it is difficult to achieve is to have it be authentic enough, even if it is a movie about a troupe of dancing werewolves, that you forget you are watching a movie. Tough to do and I forget to check things against that measure sometimes - the head beating for example, but it is nice to know that you feel I achieved it on some level at least.


High stakes, really nice. Great performances from everyone. I like how we were thrown right into the middle of the story here. There were a lot of creative shots, and so many shots in general that it never seemed to drag. I thought you created sympathy for Rob in a very natural way that didn't seem forced which was great!

SPOILERS AHEAD:

My only beef was that I saw the wire twist coming as soon as the other character was introduced.

But great film! Very professional. I hope I can make stuff like this one day.

Thanks very much Alex. I appreciate people's comments on the twist. My focus was more on how the character would deal with the situation. In fact if you know the wrong guy is getting the crap beat out of him maybe that could add to it. But maybe I should have introduced in some explicit fashion the idea that it would be very unlikely SPOILER ALERT ... to be the Bookie, since Internal Affairs would not be likely to use a criminal in as a worm in an internal investigation. I guess I was working on the assumption that that would be a shared idea - Boy was I wrong, lol.

Glad you enjoyed it in spite of that, and I really appreciate you sharing the good and the bad with me. :thumbup:

Hey Everyone, thanks for all the feedback. Good fun. I just wanted to clear something up since there seems to be a little character confusion. Dane Rhodes played the older cop whose name is Robby and I (Blake Balu) played Ted the younger guy with the blood issue. It's kinda hard to catch my name, but Robby says it when he says "We're not bad cops Ted". It kinda slips by, I even had to watch it a couple of times to see where it was said. Thanks alot everyone, again.

Haha, also Robbie says "Hey Book, Teddy been meetin' with you without us there?"

It is funny because you as Teddy and Antony's character Rene, call Dane "Robbie" at least 10 times. I think maybe people are transferring the name to you because they know it is to be the name of a main character, and people probably sympathize most with your character. Also as a contest rule, Robbie is easy to remember.

But no biggie, I am glad that people are commenting, I just find the transference of the name interesting.

...

AGAIN, thanks so much for the feedback everyone.

Having a great time in SpyFest here. Keep 'em comin' of you got 'em :beer:

Mark Harris
06-05-2007, 01:28 PM
the one thing that took me out of the story is when that Mexican guy says: "Radio TOWERS!!!" I mean, who talks like that? otherwise, it was all right. I told Jack he would love to see Dane in this, so hopefully he'll stop by soon.

Jack Daniel Stanley
06-05-2007, 03:59 PM
haha "mexican guy" ... I think Mark is just busting your chops Taylor.

Full review later, still trying to watch all of these, but nice work man :thumbup:

Damn I miss New Orleans!

Kholi
06-05-2007, 04:46 PM
Had some good looking shots, on the other hand it was long-winded.

Six minutes was too much time for this.

But again, great looking shots. The actor that discovered the real rat was a great asset to your production. Had a really great voice.

jamesh
06-05-2007, 04:59 PM
I watched it with 3 other people and we were all speechless.

So professional, very well directed. The actors were all brilliant and totally believeable. The diaglogue was punchy and everything made sense. The story held me to the end. My favourite movie so far.

loved-it!

deedive
06-05-2007, 07:22 PM
Great short one of the best. Great audio, I am taking lessons from u:). Great exposure. Great acting except for the French guy. Sorry. Think he was a little weak. I love the bookies voice. One thing that I think, (could be bad or good) but it felt like a really good scene from a good movie.

RebeccaD
06-05-2007, 08:04 PM
Wow, Taylor. Excellent job on this film. I felt like I was watching a short of the Sopranos. It was well acted and wonderfully shot. I loved the pool table idea. It was ironic and believable. I also think that someone could be bashed against the sidewalk that many times and not make it, so again, well done. I agree with Norm, don't change a single frame, man!! Keep it comin! I can't wait to see what you do next.

Justin Kuhn
06-05-2007, 09:54 PM
Kept me engaged the whole way through. My Quicktime messed up though, becasue right at the end it just went to black, there was a line of dialogue and then the shot. Then I fixed the problem and realized I kind of liked it the other way. Awesome movie in any case.

Christopher Barry
06-06-2007, 12:27 AM
Cinematography was excellent for a one location short, and nicely balanced footage, considering water elements and bright surrounding concrete surfaces. Cast performance and dialog was tight, really tight. Only criticism, I think Blake would have made it, and like HappyGobo said, if I interpret correctly, I would cut to black just as Blake raises his head, we then hear the gun shot, so we may then ponder if Blake or Antony got taken out. I know, everyone thinks they know how to do something better/different... Great energy in this one. Sound and music is awesome. Congrats Taylor and crew :beer:

Mark Harris
06-06-2007, 12:34 AM
haha "mexican guy" ... I think Mark is just busting your chops Taylor.

Full review later, still trying to watch all of these, but nice work man :thumbup:

Damn I miss New Orleans!

It's true. I had PMed with Taylor some after his thread went up, so he knows i was messing with him. I've told him what I liked about it what I thought didn't quite work.

That line is actually one of my favorites. I thought the acting in this was quite good. For many films in this and in fests past, the acting seemed to be an afterthought. Taylor seems to have a really good eye for casting both the right actors and actors who can...act. And I don't know too much about his background, but I would think he's had some training himself, to get these kinds of performances under such conditions (fast shoot, homeland security, etc.)

The only thing I told Taylor I really had a problem with was the ending didn't completely make sense. I thought it was unlikely that Dane's character would not go STOP the French dude from beating the kid to a pulp. And that could have given an opportunity for an even bigger slice of drama in the end, say for example, with the French dude and Dane facing off over the kid. But this ending seemed a little too much like something the writer wanted to make happen, instead of what the characters would have naturally played out. Like Taylor was looking for a button for effect, rather than seeing it through and finding the real drama.

But it's superb work, and clearly some of the best in the fest. And Taylor clearly is a capable director, so I feel compelled not to let him off lightly.

Chris Messineo
06-06-2007, 06:19 AM
I thought this film was excellent. One of my favorites. Wonderful performances, great pacing. It felt like a scene out of a real Hollywood movie. Very well done.

tmnt
06-06-2007, 07:21 AM
Wow, everything was great about this. Directing was excellent and so were the actors.

What 35mm adaptor are you using? There was some bad grain on those static shots (I have a brevis with cinefuse 3 and it shows some grain too).

spidey
06-06-2007, 07:35 AM
Looked good and acting was good. story wasnt there enough , but worked since it felt like a segment of a film. big effect scene needed lots of work. it wasn't shot well and it threw me off from the rest of the film. everything else it was like watching a movie from and larger film. good job.

work on action or curbing people... even if it happend off camera it could have been more effective or getting a dummy head with a wig to imulate hair would do the job with blood tubes....

other than that your dialouge is there just work on putting all of it more cohesive.

good job.

TimurCivan
06-06-2007, 09:41 AM
haha "mexican guy" ... I think Mark is just busting your chops Taylor.

Full review later, still trying to watch all of these, but nice work man :thumbup:

Damn I miss New Orleans!

Yea jack im curious to know what you think of bryson's work.

Kyle Stebbins
06-06-2007, 09:43 AM
what beautiful colors! sweet sweet sweet.
i agree with what's being said here about it feeling like it was taken from a larger movie. (namely... deja vu? funny because your lead was in it...). also reminded me of Man On Fire.

the ONLY qualm I have is the wire on 'the book' -- I think that it shouldnt have been taped so obviously to his shirt. that made me laugh out loud and that is NOT how you want your audience to react. Perhaps if the wire was underneath his shirt and was lifted when it was discovered?

either way. great job! one of better looking films of the bunch!
-kyle

Mike Insane
06-06-2007, 12:34 PM
fantastic film... i can't say anything other than what has already been said. You have raised the bar.

Beat Takeshi
06-06-2007, 12:43 PM
Well done short. The acting was on point, the camera was on point except for the static grain or dust on the lens. The outside colors were nicely controlled. I hated the guys voice who got shot, felt like he was a muppet and it took me out of the intense mood you set up with the other actors. The pacing and editing was great except for the part where he smashes the head I think. Something sped up for a sec but I'm guessing thats to hide the effects. Audio was on point also. Great job.

Blake Balu
06-06-2007, 05:32 PM
Hehe, well just call me Kermitt

Beat Takeshi
06-06-2007, 05:37 PM
Not you, the other guy with the wire. :)

Blake Balu
06-06-2007, 05:42 PM
oh aight. But I can do muppet voices though :Drogar-Dum(DBG):

aravance
06-06-2007, 06:03 PM
I really enjoyed this film. I'm a huge fan of Infernal Affairs and the Departed, and this movie seemed to fit right into that cop/gangster mole mold.

Great location. Thought the acting was good although my least favorite was the guy who gets his head bashed in. I agree with a lot of other viewers, it did feel like it was a scene out of a larger movie. I would love to see that larger movie though!
You captured the genre very poignantly.

Only thing that stuck out to me was when he gets his head bashed in. Some of the editing and just the way his face was being repeatedly smashed into the pavement just didn't seem real enough for me. I find it's much more effective to leave it off screen and leaving it to the viewer's imagination.

Kudos on the film!

Hope to see more of your work.

Texture
06-06-2007, 07:16 PM
Well, having done the audio sweeting on this baby and having listened to the dialogue of this film for what seems to have been at least a thousand times, I have to say that I'm amazed at how fresh and exciting it remains, now that I've seen the final cut.

Great work Taylor, so happy to have been introduced to you and your project.

Good luck!

Erik Paulsen

jojopop
06-07-2007, 12:04 AM
Loved it. This one's definitely in my favorites list. Cinematography was excellent -- everything looked great. The editing worked really well -- wasn't a fan of the way the beat down was cut, but overall yeah - fantastic. Really liked the way the last shot came together as well...

Intense, professional, cohesive, plus lots of what others have said...

Excellent work!

MsManhattan
06-07-2007, 02:40 AM
This has a really well crafted script -- there's lots of necessary exposition but it never feels like you're being bombarded with exposition. It was organic. It also has a good look, although I found the look of the OTS shots a little distracting -- the black silhouettes. But I think I am in the minority on that. I also enjoyed the rat -- he always gives an interesting performance (wasn't he the cuckoo dude in Odd Squad?).

Darkline
06-07-2007, 05:43 AM
A good well rounded short film here.

Very well shot and edited. Blocking was excellent and I felt you directed this with some fluidity. In fact out of all the multi-character scenes I have seen in this fest I think I liked the way you handled this the most. Thats both the shot selection and the way you played with your actors.

The only shot that stood out was the bashing head on the floor - it didnt convince me. But I have to say that was the only shot that bothered me.

The script was also prety natural, not relying on heavy lines of expositional dialogue to propel it forward. Everything worked.

The only thing that didn't get this top3 for me was the premise. The idea didn't have me on the egde of my seat or leave me with any emotional impact. But i understand this is just a personal liking. Unfortunately when you have 5 or 6 films that are very well made, you have to go with your gut and choose the ones you felt struck you more. It is certainly one of few shorts that did everything right. You know how to make a movie and I would look forward to seeing more of your work.

Dahopafilms
06-07-2007, 09:44 AM
Very, very cool.

I'm sorry not to have read all the posts here or seen this earlier. But here's my input:
The sound. Excellent. Great audio all 'round. As close to perfect as you can get, in my view.
The cast. Really, really good.
How it was shot and framed. I liked the whole thing. Very pro.
The story. Of course, I wanted to understand the title. And it was really interesting to me.

Here's the stuff I wasn't so convinced of:
There's a really long take of the Boss with his back to the camera before he turns. It took so long for him to turn that it was a little distracting to me.
I didn't buy the head bang into the concrete. Sorry. But I appreciate that's a hard effect to pull off.
Wouldn't the snitch have had the wire under his t-shirt? And aren't I REALLY nitpicking now?
I remember the problems you had with the location. I wonder if they were truly worth it in relation to the benefits you gained from the look. Sure it looked good, but couldn't all that have taken place in an alley, too? Just wondering.
This was terrific. Thanks so much for making it.

Matt Sconce
06-07-2007, 10:20 AM
I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here. I thought the hardened cop's acting was excellent and a highlight of the movie. I believe I saw him in Odd Squad. He was very engaging. The images captured were so brilliantly crisp and vibrant. I loved the location and thought it looked amazing.

The thing that made it hard for me was that I didn't believe two things. I dd not think the man was suficiently beaten to be a lost cause, and I didn't believe the hardened cop would shoot him. I got the sense that he cared about him more than the other cop. I can't put my finger on why, but that is what I got out of it.

This was a great story, and I did not see the twist coming. I totally thought the man who was killed was wearing a wire somewhere, until the reveal.

What a great short.

Keystoned
06-07-2007, 11:50 AM
Catching up with a few ....

Thanks for all the feedback people.


I watched it with 3 other people and we were all speechless.

So professional, very well directed. The actors were all brilliant and totally believeable. The diaglogue was punchy and everything made sense. The story held me to the end. My favourite movie so far.

loved-it!


Great short one of the best. Great audio, I am taking lessons from u:). Great exposure. Great acting except for the French guy. Sorry. Think he was a little weak. I love the bookies voice. One thing that I think, (could be bad or good) but it felt like a really good scene from a good movie.


Wow, Taylor. Excellent job on this film. I felt like I was watching a short of the Sopranos. It was well acted and wonderfully shot. I loved the pool table idea. It was ironic and believable. I also think that someone could be bashed against the sidewalk that many times and not make it, so again, well done. I agree with Norm, don't change a single frame, man!! Keep it comin! I can't wait to see what you do next.

Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment :beer:


Kept me engaged the whole way through. My Quicktime messed up though, becasue right at the end it just went to black, there was a line of dialogue and then the shot. Then I fixed the problem and realized I kind of liked it the other way. Awesome movie in any case.


Cinematography was excellent for a one location short, and nicely balanced footage, considering water elements and bright surrounding concrete surfaces. Cast performance and dialog was tight, really tight. Only criticism, I think Blake would have made it, and like HappyGobo said, if I interpret correctly, I would cut to black just as Blake raises his head, we then hear the gun shot, so we may then ponder if Blake or Antony got taken out. I know, everyone thinks they know how to do something better/different... Great energy in this one. Sound and music is awesome. Congrats Taylor and crew!

Hey cool. I will definitly look at his black out idea. Especially since it's not the original ending anyway.


... I thought the acting in this was quite good. For many films in this and in fests past, the acting seemed to be an afterthought. Taylor seems to have a really good eye for casting both the right actors and actors who can...act. And I don't know too much about his background, but I would think he's had some training himself, to get these kinds of performances under such conditions (fast shoot, homeland security, etc.)

Thanks. It was a challenge. Mostly because we had just written the script and were making it up as we went along though.


The only thing I told Taylor I really had a problem with was the ending didn't completely make sense. I thought it was unlikely that Dane's character would not go STOP the French dude from beating the kid to a pulp. And that could have given an opportunity for an even bigger slice of drama in the end, say for example, with the French dude and Dane facing off over the kid. But this ending seemed a little too much like something the writer wanted to make happen, instead of what the characters would have naturally played out. Like Taylor was looking for a button for effect, rather than seeing it through and finding the real drama.

But it's superb work, and clearly some of the best in the fest. And Taylor clearly is a capable director, so I feel compelled not to let him off lightly.

Yeah I hear that on the ending. I like that the older cop goes to reveal the real wire when the chaos starts, but I think that it is not executed well. As many have commented I didn't sell he beating. I just had like zero coverage of this area unfortunately. Maybe it would never work like I wanted to shoot it, but I have never been able to cut what I have to my own satisfaction around this area.

Thanks :beer:


I thought this film was excellent. One of my favorites. Wonderful performances, great pacing. It felt like a scene out of a real Hollywood movie. Very well done.


Wow, everything was great about this. Directing was excellent and so were the actors.

What 35mm adaptor are you using? There was some bad grain on those static shots (I have a brevis with cinefuse 3 and it shows some grain too).

Thanks for the kudos guys :thumbup:

TMNT, I used a go35 which friend let me borrow while my Letus35a was sick. I found that the grain was only a problem with light back ground when I stopped the nikon or canon lens down, which when shooting against blown out water or sky, I of course had to do. I added a 1 pixel blur to these shots and that helped a lot. Also the H264 compression helps a lot.


Looked good and acting was good. story wasnt there enough , but worked since it felt like a segment of a film. big effect scene needed lots of work. it wasn't shot well and it threw me off from the rest of the film. everything else it was like watching a movie from and larger film. good job.

work on action or curbing people... even if it happend off camera it could have been more effective or getting a dummy head with a wig to imulate hair would do the job with blood tubes....

other than that your dialouge is there just work on putting all of it more cohesive.

good job.

Thanks spidey. We through this together so quickly and I think I underestimated how hard it would be to get the beating on the ground effect. Even though we had less than a day of pre-production, we probably could have still found some way to do what you are suggesting. Like I say I think I underestimated the challenge. But a producer friend of mine liked it enough that we may go back and reshoot the beating AND the original ending when all of our team is back in New Orleans.


what beautiful colors! sweet sweet sweet.
i agree with what's being said here about it feeling like it was taken from a larger movie. (namely... deja vu? funny because your lead was in it...). also reminded me of Man On Fire.
Funny. I used Man on Fire for the temptrack :)


the ONLY qualm I have is the wire on 'the book' -- I think that it shouldnt have been taped so obviously to his shirt. that made me laugh out loud and that is NOT how you want your audience to react. Perhaps if the wire was underneath his shirt and was lifted when it was discovered?

Well this is a bit of a pickle. I think it might have been more distracting to have that actor shirtless, especially as long as I wanted to hold there. But still we can't have people reacting as you did. So as I said - a pickle.


either way. great job! one of better looking films of the bunch!
-kyle

THanks for the feedback sir.


fantastic film... i can't say anything other than what has already been said. You have raised the bar.

Heheh thanks mike. But I won't let your words go to my head, because you are clearly insane :)


Well done short. The acting was on point, the camera was on point except for the static grain or dust on the lens. The outside colors were nicely controlled. I hated the guys voice who [was the bookie], felt like he was a muppet and it took me out of the intense mood you set up with the other actors. The pacing and editing was great except for the part where he smashes the head I think. Something sped up for a sec but I'm guessing thats to hide the effects. Audio was on point also. Great job.

Thanks Aram. Man I wish that head beating was better. 2 days editing those 20 seconds into 5 versions and this is what I got :cry: :laugh:

As for the bookie and the Tension ... I hear you. We went back and forth on this. I was afraid it was too far. I had straighter takes of him. Then I had takes where I just let him improv on the line. I used the funnier takes because out of the dozen or so people I showed it to and specifically asked "is he too much" everyone kind of liked him. Then a friend that had had the rough cut online for two weeks before upload day gives me notes the day before upload and said basically the same thing you did! D'oh! but it was a day before upload.

I think the way to go with a situation like this where most people think something is OK but you are getting say 20% notes that other people don't like it ... is to try the alternate if you have it (and like I said I do have straighter takes) and ask if it looses anything. In other words, I am gonna put in the straighter takes of him and see if I feel like I loose anything. If the answer is "no" then of course I will go with the straighter takes. I mean why push out the 20% or so that don't dig it if the change doesn't take something away.

So I will definitely look at those alternate takes at somepoint.

I may keep it the same for a while until we get all of our team back and reshoot the headbanging and the original ending as it's scripted, and then open up the project again. That might be like a year or so though.

But thanks for taking a good look at it and for getting into details.

....

Ok will get to some more of these later today.
:beer:

Geoff_R
06-07-2007, 07:42 PM
Just wanted to say that I enjoyed your film. Very well shot and directed. All of your actors were great except for that guy wearing the wire, he just seemed a little too 'off' compared to the rest of the characters...

Also, I'm not into dialogue, I usually find myself getting bored with too much dialogue but you managed to hold my attention due to high-tension, good delivery and cinematic value.

Keystoned
06-07-2007, 08:33 PM
time to play ketchup ...


I really enjoyed this film. I'm a huge fan of Infernal Affairs and the Departed, and this movie seemed to fit right into that cop/gangster mole mold.

Great location. Thought the acting was good although my least favorite was the guy who gets his head bashed in. I agree with a lot of other viewers, it did feel like it was a scene out of a larger movie. I would love to see that larger movie though!
You captured the genre very poignantly.

Only thing that stuck out to me was when he gets his head bashed in. Some of the editing and just the way his face was being repeatedly smashed into the pavement just didn't seem real enough for me. I find it's much more effective to leave it off screen and leaving it to the viewer's imagination.

Kudos on the film!

Hope to see more of your work.

thanks, for the feedback -- yeah it's looking more and more like off screen may be the only way to go for the beating

thanks again :beer:


Loved it. This one's definitely in my favorites list. Cinematography was excellent -- everything looked great. The editing worked really well -- wasn't a fan of the way the beat down was cut, but overall yeah - fantastic. Really liked the way the last shot came together as well...

Intense, professional, cohesive, plus lots of what others have said...

Excellent work!

Thanks for taking time to view and comment!


This has a really well crafted script -- there's lots of necessary exposition but it never feels like you're being bombarded with exposition. It was organic. It also has a good look, although I found the look of the OTS shots a little distracting -- the black silhouettes. But I think I am in the minority on that. I also enjoyed the rat -- he always gives an interesting performance (wasn't he the cuckoo dude in Odd Squad?).

Thanks for the review and notes on the script.

Yeah Michael was in ODD Squad, he played the red mutant with an anvil for a hand. It was pointed out to me after filming that if I was really clever I would have made his first line in SCHITTEKATTER the same as his first line in Odd Squad. "Doesn't anybody shake hands anymore?" So it would have been:

RENE
Hey you hold it right there, you!
BOOK
Doesn't anybody shake hands anymore? I wuddin goin' nowhere detectives.

vs.

RENE
Hey you hold it right there, you!
BOOK
Who me? I wuddin goin' nowhere detectives.

Oh well. Hindsight.
Thanks for the detailed comments!


A good well rounded short film here.

Very well shot and edited. Blocking was excellent and I felt you directed this with some fluidity. In fact out of all the multi-character scenes I have seen in this fest I think I liked the way you handled this the most. Thats both the shot selection and the way you played with your actors.

The only shot that stood out was the bashing head on the floor - it didnt convince me. But I have to say that was the only shot that bothered me.

The script was also prety natural, not relying on heavy lines of expositional dialogue to propel it forward. Everything worked.

The only thing that didn't get this top3 for me was the premise. The idea didn't have me on the egde of my seat or leave me with any emotional impact. But i understand this is just a personal liking. Unfortunately when you have 5 or 6 films that are very well made, you have to go with your gut and choose the ones you felt struck you more. It is certainly one of few shorts that did everything right. You know how to make a movie and I would look forward to seeing more of your work.

Glad you liked the blocking and work with the actors. I wanted to force myself to use one location with a 5 page scene just to practice that very thing.

Thanks for the thoughtful comments. Maybe next time I can hook you with the premise as well :thumbsup:

...

thanks again all, more ketchup later
:beer:

Justin Kuhn
06-07-2007, 08:37 PM
Cinematography was excellent for a one location short, and nicely balanced footage, considering water elements and bright surrounding concrete surfaces. Cast performance and dialog was tight, really tight. Only criticism, I think Blake would have made it, and like HappyGobo said, if I interpret correctly, I would cut to black just as Blake raises his head, we then hear the gun shot, so we may then ponder if Blake or Antony got taken out. I know, everyone thinks they know how to do something better/different... Great energy in this one. Sound and music is awesome. Congrats Taylor and crew :beer:



Hey cool. I will definitly look at his black out idea. Especially since it's not the original ending anyway.

Personally I'd cut to black before he raises his head, that might help settle the issue of whether he's going to make it or not. When Blake is just lying there twitching, I thought he was done for, but then when he raises his head, that makes me think oh, he might make it after all...but no we're going to kill him on a snap descision, that's messed up. By cutting to black before that it leaves you with the question pointed out by Mr. Barry, and makes Rob, everybody's favorite character, more sympathetic either way you think about it. If he shot Blake, then it's definitely a mercy killing; Anthony, and justice is done. Just my longer-winded pair of pennies.

AmyO
06-07-2007, 10:12 PM
Taylor, great film. I loaded it onto my Mac Mini and watched it on my TV for a second screening. I was too busy watching your great photography to think that the Book might be the mole. I was just too caught up in the filmmaking. This was one of my top favorites. The only weak point, and others have said this, is the head bashing scene. It was too slow and hesitant (I'm sure because one actor didn't want to hurt the other.) But the blood effect was awesomely gory.

Nice work.

MalcolmOng
06-08-2007, 12:38 AM
Very very very great film. Its my favourite for this contest, and like a previous comment said, it looked like it came straight out of a larger movie, and i really felt you pulled it off amazingly well.

aFox
06-08-2007, 01:02 AM
Very good movie, very well acted, directed. Its just a dialog scene absically, but it felt very tense, because it was so well done. Only thing that i didn't really like was the way the head bashing on the ground was done. Also i didn't really buy the ending, although i liked the mood. Still i enjouyed it very much.

Hermn8r
06-08-2007, 01:18 AM
Very nicely done. I thought everything looked great, and actually had no problem with the head smashing part. The only thing that threw me a little was it seemed more like a scene to me, and less like a short film. While I would love to see the larger movie that this was a part of, I wasn't sure that the whole thing worked as it's own free-standing film with a definitive beginning, middle and end.

That aside, however, it's important to note that I was certainly drawn into the action immediately, and my attention was kept throughout. The cinematography was really strong, the editing was good, and I think the acting was good. Even the guy wearing the wire totally worked for me.

Nice job!

Christopher Barry
06-08-2007, 01:18 AM
Yes Mr. Gobo, what I meant, yet not expressed correctly. Hold on Rob until just before he raises his head, cut to black. Taylor, your film man, not really for me to say, just a very general comment, nothing more. For me, this entry has punchy and dynamic performances, script and edit. There is something about it that makes it stand apart from the rest. :beer:


Personally I'd cut to black before he raises his head, that might help settle the issue of whether he's going to make it or not. When Blake is just lying there twitching, I thought he was done for, but then when he raises his head, that makes me think oh, he might make it after all...but no we're going to kill him on a snap descision, that's messed up. By cutting to black before that it leaves you with the question pointed out by Mr. Barry, and makes Rob, everybody's favorite character, more sympathetic either way you think about it. If he shot Blake, then it's definitely a mercy killing; Anthony, and justice is done. Just my longer-winded pair of pennies.

Blaine
06-08-2007, 01:23 AM
Dane Rhodes is an excellent actor. Unfortunately, I felt that he overshadowed the others in this piece. You did a good job though and made an interesting movie. You made the most of minimal locations. It looks like there is still a vibrant filmmaking community in NOLA.

Aaron Marshall
06-08-2007, 01:33 AM
Incredible film guys. I'm a big fan of Blake Balu from " The Dinner Guest" by Brian Kaz. If you haven't watched it; you should. It's one of my favorite short films.

I thought almost every aspect of this film was aces. One part was distracting and came off slightly amateurish. That was the head pounding. When you have something like that you must show it from initiation to completion or it's not believable. The jump cuts of Antony starting the pounding were too clever. A scene like that could really use a locked down camera position much like the one where Blake is struggling in the end. The two scenes should be siblings, one the journey, and the other the destination.

The acting, the blocking, the blah blah blah I don't think you need me to tell you it was top notch. You know you're good, or at least I hope you do. I noticed a very strong Jack Daniel Stanley style feeling to the film. You guys must be two peas in an iPod from the same Nawlins school, or pool of experience.

The music was great Herman and Sid. You guys are always nailing these works down. Top notch work, but again no surprise.

Great job overall. I an magnetically driven to vote this film first place, but I'm struggling with other films. oooh decisions decisions

Blake Balu
06-08-2007, 09:39 AM
Thanks Aaron. Huge coming from you. Dorian of the Dinner Guest was of my top 3 favorite roles I've done. The other 2 being theatre roles: Arnold Epstein in Neil Simon's Biloxi Blues and Jay in Robert Patrick's The Haunted Host. Fun Stuff. I'm a fan of your music BTW.

kurtmo
06-08-2007, 09:48 AM
I thought this piece was pulled off really nicely. Loved the cinematic feel of the whole thing. Acting was super. Sound was excellent.

Keystoned
06-08-2007, 04:00 PM
more ketchup :)

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Very very very great film. Its my favourite for this contest, and like a previous comment said, it looked like it came straight out of a larger movie, and i really felt you pulled it off amazingly well.

Thanks for watching and commenting. I very much appreciate it :beer:



Very, very cool.

I'm sorry not to have read all the posts here or seen this earlier. But here's my input:
The sound. Excellent. Great audio all 'round. As close to perfect as you can get, in my view.
The cast. Really, really good.
How it was shot and framed. I liked the whole thing. Very pro.
The story. Of course, I wanted to understand the title. And it was really interesting to me. Here's the stuff I wasn't so convinced of:
There's a really long take of the Boss with his back to the camera before he turns. It took so long for him to turn that it was a little distracting to me.
I didn't buy the head bang into the concrete. Sorry. But I appreciate that's a hard effect to pull off.
Wouldn't the snitch have had the wire under his t-shirt? And aren't I REALLY nitpicking now?
I remember the problems you had with the location. I wonder if they were truly worth it in relation to the benefits you gained from the look. Sure it looked good, but couldn't all that have taken place in an alley, too? Just wondering. This was terrific. Thanks so much for making it.
Thanks for the comments. As for the headaches of the location ... it's always a balance in guerilla filmmaking as to the benefit gained from a stolen shot vs. the likelihood that it could shut down your whole production or not. A plate shot of the white house, stolen in two seconds from a parked car that you are going to put in the background of a Ninja vs. the Secret Service battle in post? Maybe. Actually shooting the Ninja vs. Secret service battle in front of the white house? No way.

So basically well we did not foresee getting shut down, or at least we did not see it as likely. It's not like there were signs that said "top secret government location" and we shot for an entire day and 2/3rds there before they even noticed us. Also it is a spot where people come fish and sit and relax and Dane walks his dog there nightly.


I actually said to my AD / co producer Marcus as we pulled away from the location for the first time after Dane showed it to us ... ""so these are the levees ... couldn't we get in trouble for being here?" Dane basically assured us that this would be the perfect spot where no one would bother us had nowhere else to shoot . We trusted him as the most local local. It just needed to seem deserted and I wanted it to be by the water. In the end we got shut down not necessarily for being there, but for having a camera, which appeared to be telephoto with the 35 mm adapter, seemingly pointed at the underside of a large suspension bridge. If we had not been on break and stared blankly back at the coast guard when they came by and stared at us from some distance away on their boat, and had been punching each other and pointing the camera at the actors instead of having it lazily point on a slightly upward angle while we all stood around, then they may have guessed what we were actually doing and not cared. But they just saw a giant lens point up towards a prime terrorist target and a bunch of guys standing around. It also took then 2 full days to even notice we were there or care enough to come looking.

If I had had any clue that would happen we would have shot somewhere else of course. If I had had a crystal ball and knew exactly when and how it would happen, we would have shot there and just try to get it all in before they showed up.

But yeah it sucked to get kicked off your only location with 90 minutes of sunlight and have to find a new location to cheat for the current location and improvise an entirely new ending.

thanks again for taking the time to view, ponder, and comment



I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here. I thought the hardened cop's acting was excellent and a highlight of the movie. I believe I saw him in Odd Squad. He was very engaging. The images captured were so brilliantly crisp and vibrant. I loved the location and thought it looked amazing.

The thing that made it hard for me was that I didn't believe two things. I dd not think the man was suficiently beaten to be a lost cause, and I didn't believe the hardened cop would shoot him. I got the sense that he cared about him more than the other cop. I can't put my finger on why, but that is what I got out of it.
You are not crazy. It is because the original ending, the one we felt we couldn't shoot after we got shut down, was very VERY different.

This was a great story, and I did not see the twist coming. I totally thought the man who was killed was wearing a wire somewhere, until the reveal.

What a great short.
Thanks so much, glad you liked it!



Just wanted to say that I enjoyed your film. Very well shot and directed. All of your actors were great except for that guy wearing the wire, he just seemed a little too 'off' compared to the rest of the characters...

Also, I'm not into dialogue, I usually find myself getting bored with too much dialogue but yo.u managed to hold my attention due to high-tension, good delivery and cinematic value.
Thanks for viewing and commenting. Glad we could hold you even though you are not a fan of dialogue intense stuff.


Personally I'd cut to black before he raises his head, that might help settle the issue of whether he's going to make it or not. When Blake is just lying there twitching, I thought he was done for, but then when he raises his head, that makes me think oh, he might make it after all...but no we're going to kill him on a snap descision, that's messed up. By cutting to black before that it leaves you with the question pointed out by Mr. Barry, and makes Rob, everybody's favorite character, more sympathetic either way you think about it. If he shot Blake, then it's definitely a mercy killing; Anthony, and justice is done. Just my longer-winded pair of pennies.
Thanks for coming back to continue the discussion. I think you have made a very astute observation and while it involves Blake I take 110% responsibility as the objective eye behind the camera.

When he is coughing and twitching, yeah the idea is fairly well sold that he will not make it, but when he raises up, it is too easy, the obstacle is no longer there. But at this point we only had 20 minutes of sunlight left, had just thrown this new ending at Blake within the last ten minutes and everyone was running around and going crazy because it was getting dark and we could not re shoot after today. So it is not Blake's fault, it is mine. He did exactly as directed and then I should have given the follow-up note to make it 100X's harder to get up, if he even could. Not sure if I even noticed the incongruity until I was home reviewing the footage. But anyway good point and good eye. Just falling down can kill you if you hit your head on the ground. Just the gun hit to the head could kill you. So while I buy the comments that the head beating doesn't look real, I don’t so much by the comments that it "would not be enough to kill someone" I think it is more that it doesn't look convincing and then we blow the suspension of disbelief here a bit because he is too strong when he raises up.

Thanks for the insightful comments :beer:



Taylor, great film. I loaded it onto my Mac Mini and watched it on my TV for a second screening. I was too busy watching your great photography to think that the Book might be the mole. I was just too caught up in the filmmaking. This was one of my top favorites. The only weak point, and others have said this, is the head bashing scene. It was too slow and hesitant (I'm sure because one actor didn't want to hurt the other.) But the blood effect was awesomely gory.

Nice work.

Thanks for taking the time to view and comment especially about the gun to the head hit. Proud of that little bit of compositing for the blood. Thanks again!


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Thanks everyone. Really helpful comments! I really appreciate all of them :beer:

Keystoned
06-08-2007, 10:52 PM
ketchup ...


Very very very great film. Its my favourite for this contest, and like a previous comment said, it looked like it came straight out of a larger movie, and i really felt you pulled it off amazingly well.


Very good movie, very well acted, directed. Its just a dialog scene absically, but it felt very tense, because it was so well done. Only thing that i didn't really like was the way the head bashing on the ground was done. Also i didn't really buy the ending, although i liked the mood. Still i enjouyed it very much.

thanks very much for watching and commenting, glad it worked for you :thumbsup:


Very nicely done. I thought everything looked great, and actually had no problem with the head smashing part. The only thing that threw me a little was it seemed more like a scene to me, and less like a short film. While I would love to see the larger movie that this was a part of, I wasn't sure that the whole thing worked as it's own free-standing film with a definitive beginning, middle and end.

That aside, however, it's important to note that I was certainly drawn into the action immediately, and my attention was kept throughout. The cinematography was really strong, the editing was good, and I think the acting was good. Even the guy wearing the wire totally worked for me.

Nice job!
Thanks man. I wanted to challenge myself with a longer single location scene. Glad it pulled you in and worked for you on that level.

Yes Mr. Gobo, what I meant, yet not expressed correctly. Hold on Rob until just before he raises his head, cut to black. Taylor, your film man, not really for me to say, just a very general comment, nothing more. For me, this entry has punchy and dynamic performances, script and edit. There is something about it that makes it stand apart from the rest. :beer:
thanks for coming back and discussing the ending further. I will definitely look at these ending ideas.

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thanks again all. more ketchup miñana :)

Keystoned
06-09-2007, 03:02 PM
Dane Rhodes is an excellent actor. Unfortunately, I felt that he overshadowed the others in this piece. You did a good job though and made an interesting movie. You made the most of minimal locations. It looks like there is still a vibrant filmmaking community in NOLA.

Thanks for the feedback Blaine. Yeah there's still some stuff goin' on in the big easy :beer:


Incredible film guys. I'm a big fan of Blake Balu from " The Dinner Guest" by Brian Kaz. If you haven't watched it; you should. It's one of my favorite short films.

I thought almost every aspect of this film was aces. One part was distracting and came off slightly amateurish. That was the head pounding. When you have something like that you must show it from initiation to completion or it's not believable. The jump cuts of Antony starting the pounding were too clever. A scene like that could really use a locked down camera position much like the one where Blake is struggling in the end. The two scenes should be siblings, one the journey, and the other the destination.

Hey interesting point on the two things sections being related, or that they should be related in the way they are shown. You may be on to something there.


The acting, the blocking, the blah blah blah I don't think you need me to tell you it was top notch. You know you're good, or at least I hope you do. I noticed a very strong Jack Daniel Stanley style feeling to the film. You guys must be two peas in an iPod from the same Nawlins school, or pool of experience.

heheh, peas in an iPod.


The music was great Herman and Sid. You guys are always nailing these works down. Top notch work, but again no surprise.

Great job overall. I an magnetically driven to vote this film first place, but I'm struggling with other films. oooh decisions decisions

Well it's important to trust your gut :)


I thought this piece was pulled off really nicely. Loved the cinematic feel of the whole thing. Acting was super. Sound was excellent.

Thanks. Always good to hear it worked but especially good to hear about the sound cuz the post about killed us - maybe the only un-fun part of the whole thing was the grueling audio post :crybaby: :)

Herman Witkam
06-09-2007, 04:54 PM
The music was great Herman and Sid. You guys are always nailing these works down. Top notch work, but again no surprise.

Thanks man :beer:

Norm Sanders
06-09-2007, 06:22 PM
I wish I had more to write, but it's so much easier to sum up what you loved about something, and usually even easier still to nit-pick the things you didn't think worked ... since so much DID work for me, I don't have too much to say other than the following:

INCREDIBLY well written & powerfully shot. Least convincing scene for me was the head bash into the concrete ... also think he still might have been able to live, so shooting seemed a TAD dramatic, but who knows. LOVED the humor that was delivered by the bookie "Oh, I've heard those are quite nice", etc. (again, excellent writing). VERY well acted by all!! Great job, a favorite of mine in the fest!

arielman
06-09-2007, 06:28 PM
Great job guys !!
I enjoyed this short
Great acting !
Now I to decide who will get my # 1 vote .

Congrats and good luck.
Ian

Keystoned
06-10-2007, 05:14 AM
Thanks for watching and commenting Norm and Ian!
Glad you liked it. :thumbsup:

And thanks again everyone.
It's been a blast and your comments have been very insightful and helpful.
Even with more negative criticisms everyone was super cool and diplomatic.
Couldn't ask for a better, more positive festival experience.
:beer:

Edgen
06-10-2007, 12:24 PM
My Thoughts:

1st. AWFUL name. :) I've been wanting to say that since day one. I keep thinking Shit and I'll continue to think "Shit". HOWEVER. THe movie was definitely not Shit. It was probably one of my favs of the fest and I really enjoyed just about every aspect of the film.
I enjoyed all the characters performances and even the bozo clown guy.

Music and score.. great to see the colab again and looking forward to your next film.

Cheers!
/j

Keystoned
06-10-2007, 02:46 PM
My Thoughts:

1st. AWFUL name. :) I've been wanting to say that since day one. I keep thinking shi* and I'll continue to think "shi*".
Well you kept thinking about it at least didn't you :evil:
To quote a prominent political leader of our day: Mission Accomplished :)

HOWEVER. THe movie was definitely not shi*. It was probably one of my favs of the fest and I really enjoyed just about every aspect of the film.
I enjoyed all the characters performances and even the bozo clown guy.

Music and score.. great to see the colab again and looking forward to your next film.

Cheers!
/j


Thanks for watching and commenting Justin. Catching up on my last few as well here in the 11th hour. Glad you liked the short if not the title :) :beer:

RebeccaD
06-10-2007, 02:56 PM
Title was definitely of interest. I confess, I nicknamed it *&%tty kitty. :laugh:

Of course, as I've previously stated, that in no way is my opinion on your film, Taylor.

Norm Sanders
06-10-2007, 03:00 PM
You got that nickname from me, lady. Give credit where credit is due, c'mon!

gabrielflorit
06-10-2007, 04:11 PM
Wow, this one was amazing. Not one wasted frame here. The tension holds all the way to the end, which is very hard to do. I'll blame that on your excellent script. All these actors look very solid.

Can't find anything wrong with this entry. Looks Hollywood-quality all the way. My only criticism is that it's so good, so film-like, that it begs comparison with regular TV shows/Hollywood movies, and there it ends up being just one more framed-cop scene. But I only say that because the production was so slick. I guess this is the entry that most excels above the rest for me. It's like in a league of its own.

Keystoned
06-10-2007, 11:14 PM
Heheh, thanks Gabriel, glad you liked it :thumbsup:

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Thanks everyone for you comments and feedback it was a wonderful experience :beer:

gabrielflorit
06-10-2007, 11:21 PM
Hey congratulations! I'm really glad you got the award. This one would have been my 1st vote - if I could have voted.... stupid 100 posts rule....

deedive
06-10-2007, 11:41 PM
congrates, it was one of my favorites, glad it was alot of other peoples too:)

Mike@AF
06-11-2007, 01:36 PM
Glad you got some recognition. This was among the best. Great work!

Keystoned
06-11-2007, 01:55 PM
Thanks again Gabriel, heheh.

Thanks Mike glad you got recognized as well - great setup and payoff in your flick.

Thanks Dale - that award was perfect for you movie. Such a strong convincing vision there.

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At this point thanks for my cast and crew is over due:

I'd like to first acknowledge Kory Von Holt who was our set photographer and did special effects makeup for the short but was inadvertently left off the credits for the contest cut. (Sorry Korey) His picks gave us something to start the thread with and the makeup looked great.

My Co-Producer Marcus who deserves half the filmmaking credit, as there would be no film without this dude.

Herman and Sid are not only geniuses but easy to work with. As I stumbled through post figuring out the role of music for this piece they were very patient.

Erik gave me a great head start on cleaning up the audio.

I could not have asked for a better cast. Blake, Dane, Antony, and Michael really brought it home on screen and despite the fact that some of them have major motion picture credits, they totally got the indie thing and were totally on board even hauling gear over the levee from where we were parked several miles away and rolling with being shut down and searched by the authorities. Throughout it all, their attitude was "what can I do next to help finish the film or make it better."

It was an honor guys. Thanks so much for working with me.

There will be a re-shoot of the original ending FYI, with permission to shoot under the bridge this time. So hang on to the clothes you wore. :thumbsup:

Neil Rowe
06-11-2007, 08:35 PM
great job on this one. i thought it all came together very very well. the acting deserves mention that its really first rate. and the writing was very solid and believable. a very very good peice all in all. definitely on my list of stand outs from the fest. my only reservation mirrors gabrielflorit's .. in that being well done and of a typical crime drama genre, it felt like i had seen it before, or somehow knew what to expect as if it were another piece of an episode of CSI or something similar but better written. anyway it was great.

Keystoned
06-15-2007, 12:09 AM
heheh thanks Neil

I will definitely take like CSI but better written. Hopefully one day we will get to shoot the original scripted ending which is 180º different and maybe then it will feel more of a self standing idea.

Never got into CSI but NYPD Blue is one of my favorite shows ever. Also like The Shield and the Closer, all three of which are better written than CSI as they are more character driven I think.


Thanks for checking it out.

:beer:

Neil Rowe
06-15-2007, 04:05 PM
yeah, id say this one felt like something from "the shield". the lead had that sort of gritty character that made me sort of feel like i was all "inner city" from the first time he opened his mouth. again, very good peice. I like to study the really good films in these fests by wathing them a few times and figuring out what makes them tick. this one is just plain old good writing and character direction coupled with good cinematography and sound. the actors were aptly cast and dressed and good at acting. nothing fancy to dress it up. just a really good job of doing the things that actually matter. and it turned out really well. thanks for sharing it and im sure ill see more of your work to come. :)