24p or 60 preset on the camera

[tolakvoa]

What would happened if I switch to 24p from 60 using the same tape. Here is my situation. I video tape the wedding. I like to use 24p during the vows and use 60 for the rest. Is this possible?

Thanks

[Evro]

Nothing!! But then it depends on what you mean by "what would happened".

We switch between 25p & 50i on the same tape all the time for different parts of weddings. As long as your NLE can handle P & I footage on the same timeline I don't see why there should be a problem.

[tolakvoa]

Hello beziermask,
Thanks for the reply. I use Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0 . Of course it will recognize 24p of the camera. So, what do you do when you capture the tape do you treat it as 60 or 24p, if you treat it as 60 does P Pro recognize my 24p or if I capture it as 24p would my 60 will changed. I know I should try this myself but I want to ask the forum first.
Thanks

[Evro]

We use Vegas 7 to capture footage and rather than capture a whole tape we allow Vegas to save each shot as a separate clip in it's native format. So in the end we have a whole bunch of files that represent the format they were shot in (either 50i or 25P).

I don't know if Premiere automatically captures footage off a tape in each shot's native format, you might want to post that question up in the Adobe Premiere forum. Sadly the XL2 forum on DVXUser is pretty dead (DV-info is much more active.)

Ofcourse you need to keep in mind that your completed project can only be rendered in either Progressive or Interlaced. The only way I've been able to get around that is to render each format separately and author the clips onto the DVD, however, I've found some DVD players take longer pauses between clips or even skip the first 10 or so frames which may look like a quality problem to the your client.

[tolakvoa]

Sorry Mate being late to reply this.
In Premiere Pro it has preset project whether 24p or 30 you need to set this before you start the project I know in vegas you can do the same thing. Also,in PPro it has scene detect. It will chops each scene. Like you described in Vegas.
So my confusion is this. If the whole tape about the same wedding and the tape contain 24p and 60 mixed when you combine them what format the would be
I can understand if they are different event than I can seperate them. My intentional is to shoot 60 fps the whole wedding but 24p during the vows.

Thanks

[William_Robinette]

Shoot, 24p (not pA) and edit on a 60i timeline.

But I think aesthetically this would be really jarring to your audience.

[tolakvoa]

I just want the vows looks "movie look like". Isn't 24p supposedly look better than 60fps? This is a question? Since the vows probably no much movement that's why I set to 24p on the switch but If do this on the reception or dancing the object move faster. I hope I am wrong on this because I have shoot 24p the entire wedding and I can see my DVD look jerky unless If I did something wrong here.

Thanks

[William_Robinette]

You need to learn how to move a camera recording at 24p. It is not something you can just pick up and do. I shoot everything in 24p. It really is a look you just need to get used to. Maybe try 30p for your situation? It will look better then 60i but be more fluid (and therefore more forgiving) then 24p.

I wouldn't mix frame rates in the same piece though.

If you do shoot in 60i, you will gain a stop of light, making a clearer picture during low light receptions and such.

[Ming]

Better is a relative term. 24p can look better, but done wrong can look worse. Definitely shoot some test footage in 24p if you aren't used to it. 24p is more filmic, whereas 60i has more of a newsfootage look. Both can be edited on the same timeline.

[Evro]

We used to shoot all our weddings in 25P only to curse ourselves later in the editing room because some camera movement was too fast. Now we mix 25p & 50i on the timeline and are more sensitive to camera movement.

In terms of shooting weddings, I have to say it so much easier to film everything in Interlaced - especially if you are slowing down footage to match music. Interlaced is so much more forgiving to bad camerawork.

At the end of the day even if you render the final project as Progressive, it still has a bit of a video look to it and certainly does not compare to rendered footage that was shot in 25p.

As far as becoming better at h-held camera work for shooting in progressive goes I've found Tai-Chi to be very beneficial.

[tolakvoa]

So if you use 25p and 501 on the same timeline what preset do you use in PPro or in Vegas? Can you tell if the 50i look better than 25p on the DVD?
I know I can try this my self but I would like to know your experience.
Thanks

[eofeapr]

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