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Norm Sanders
03-04-2007, 12:58 AM
PRODUCTION CANCELLED / WITHDRAWN FROM SPYFEST (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=919330&postcount=344)


A story of lovers reunited.
One person's act will forever set the course for the rest of their lives.

http://www.eefilm.com/berlin/images/berlinposter.jpg

CAST

KATHERINE - Rebecca L. Dunn (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=19547)
ROBERT - Brian Ibsen (http://www.brianibsen.com)
EDWIN - Norm Sanders (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=3632)
GERMAN SENIOR OFFICER - TBD
GERMAN SOLDIER #1 - TBD
GERMAN SOLDIER #2 - TBD
WAITER/WAITRESS - TBD
CABARET PATRON - TBD
OLDER KATHERINE - TBD
OLDER ROBERT - TBD



EXTRAS

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CREW

Norm Sanders (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=3632) ........ Writer / Editor / Producer / Director
Rebecca L. Dunn (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=19547) .... Writer / Co-Producer
Ryan Walters (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=5020) ......... Director of Photography (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/www.235studios.com)
TBD ...................... 1st Assistant Director
Herman Witkam (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=12897) ..... Composer (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2079846/)
Steve Armenakis (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=13838) .... VFX Artist
Jeremy Tuttle (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=19541) ......... Graphic Design Artist
Steve Waters .......... Key Gaffer (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0914179/)
Tung Bui (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=19572) ................ Gaffer
James Eubank (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=23492) ........ Set Designer / Art Director (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1838078/)
Tim Oakley ............ Prop Master (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2219722/)
Walker Williamson .. Grip
Patrick LaValley (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=2116)....... 1st Assistant Camera (http://www.patricklavalley.com)
Jerry Turner (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=4092) ........... 2nd Assistant Camera
Shawn Nelson (http://www.patricklavalley.com) ......... Sound Mixer (http://www.nelsonentertainment.com)
Ken Kupelian (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=23477) .......... Boom Operator
Rose Barclay (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1271217/) .......... Hair & FX Artist (specializing in period hair & FX!)
Stephanie Johnson .. MUA (specializing in vintage glamour!) (http://www.sugarpussbeauty.com/)
Amy Asivido ............ Lyrics/Song Writer
Krysta Kelley .......... Catering & Craft Services (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2046734/)

Norm Sanders
03-04-2007, 12:58 AM
Music!

CLICK HERE (http://www.eefilm.com/berlin/music/berlin_instruments.mp3) to listen to the instrumental version of BERLIN, composed & performed by Herman Witkam. Lyrics will be to be performed & recorded this coming week by the phenomenally multi-talented Rebecca L. Dunn!

CLICK HERE (http://www.eefilm.com/berlin/music/vocals/berlin_v3.mp3) to listen to the completed song, which includes Rebecca's incredible vocal performance, with final mix by Herman Witkam!



Desktop Wallpaper Downloads!

http://www.eefilm.com/berlin/images/berlinwallpaperthumb.jpg

FULL SCREEN
1280x1024 (http://www.eefilm.com/berlin/images/berlinwallpaper1280x1024.jpg)
1024x768 (http://www.eefilm.com/berlin/images/berlinwallpaper1024x768.jpg)
800x600 (http://www.eefilm.com/berlin/images/berlinwallpaper800x600.jpg)

WIDE SCREEN
1440x900 (http://www.eefilm.com/berlin/images/berlinwallpaper1440x900.jpg)



Location Photos
.....All original/refurbished 1910 decore
..........Exterior (http://www.eefilm.com/berlin/locations/3.bmp) (will need a VFX artist to replace the street with cobblestone during a tracking/moving crane shot)
..........Wide shot - Interior (http://www.eefilm.com/berlin/locations/5.bmp)
..........CU of stained glass ceilings (http://www.eefilm.com/berlin/locations/1.bmp)
..........CU of chandelier (http://www.eefilm.com/berlin/locations/4.bmp)

.....Wide open park, rolling hills & trees
..........Coming soon ...
..........Coming soon ...
..........Coming soon ...

Norm Sanders
03-04-2007, 12:59 AM
Future spot for Q&A ... though I didn't utilize this section like I planned to in "Where Silence Falls", hopefully I'll do it right this time. :)

Dahopafilms
03-04-2007, 01:02 AM
Nice title!

I trust you have a big budget. The dollar is down in relation to the Euro ...

Michael_Petro
03-04-2007, 01:57 AM
Alright your last one was real good.... I am ready Berlin :beer:

Edgen
03-04-2007, 03:15 AM
Looking forward to watching Norm! Great to see you are in on this fest and for the luv of gawd... no silly accents!!! PLEASE!

I dig the title and by the looks of the images, it could be pushing the moral limits.

/j

preston
03-04-2007, 08:20 AM
good luck, Norm - I'm looking forward to Berlin.

I dig the title and by the looks of the images, it could be pushing the moral limits. what images? did you post some and already take them down? that's not nice.
:huh:

Jazz Dog
03-04-2007, 12:15 PM
Looking forward to what you come up with this time....You guys set the bar for the rest of us.

Ted Arabian
03-04-2007, 02:47 PM
Hey Norm and Rebecca!!! Good luck on Berlin! (great title!!!)

I am sure that you both will be serving up a nice treat for us all!

-Ted

Brandon Rice
03-04-2007, 03:24 PM
Berlin is a GREAT title, and I love the banner! I can't wait to see this one!

Geoff_R
03-04-2007, 03:53 PM
Best of luck, Norm & Rebecca! I like the title and banner graphic, it sounds and looks very promising.

Norm Sanders
03-04-2007, 03:59 PM
DRAT! Rebecca missed posting on the first page ... I was puprosely holding out replying, as I wanted her to get on there. Serves her right for having a life outside of DVXuser, lol! :)

Thanks Geoff, Brian, Michael, Justin, preston, Jazz Dog, Ted, and Brandon for the props ... I can confidently say that we're pulling out all the stops for this one, learning everything we did from WHERE SILENCE FALLS, and applying it to this & then some. I am EXTREMELY excited for this one, and we'll have our hands full (or at least I will ... still trying to weigh out how much Rebecca can take on, with everything else on her plate as well) ... a lot of my issue will be my traveling schedule, and working this around it.

Oh, and glad everyone has liked the name, but I've got to give props to Jeremy Tuttle ... he is THE MAN when it comes to graphic design work! The final banner will likely change, as this was a preliminary he did, before we decided on our final story, so the final banner/graphics will relfect what our script is about.

Aaron Marshall
03-04-2007, 05:16 PM
Oh neat, this'll be a period piece huh? I look forward to seeing this film. Berlin is a cool place. Its atmosphere is very thick.

Norm Sanders
03-04-2007, 05:22 PM
Sweet, what told you it was a period piece? Wasn't sure how many would get it.

Brandon Rice
03-04-2007, 05:29 PM
The swastikas maybe?

Aaron Marshall
03-04-2007, 05:31 PM
swastika flags and Berlin

I just figured 1920-1945.

Brandon Rice
03-04-2007, 05:34 PM
Yeah, same here actually.

Norm Sanders
03-04-2007, 05:45 PM
1939, to be precise. :thumbsup: Exactly why I wanted the swastikas. Hoping the period, and the vibe that both it & locale (Berlin) will bring, will help to separate it from the mainstream.

Norm Sanders
03-04-2007, 06:15 PM
In hopes of not showing this stuff TOO soon, I've updated the second post already with a few BTS/Location photos, on the scouting trip Rebecca & I took a couple weeks ago. Location secured.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=881879&postcount=2

Dahopafilms
03-04-2007, 06:33 PM
In hopes of not showing this stuff TOO soon, I've updated the second post already with a few BTS/Location photos, on the scouting trip Rebecca & I took a couple weeks ago. Location secured.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=881879&postcount=2

So - wait.

The name of the cafe is very authentic - I checked out "Huber" - as in "Huber's Cafe" - and it's southern German in origin and means - no kidding - "man who owns a hube". Well done on that count.

But it now appears you're not actually going to Berlin to film this? That's not particularly authentic, is it?:Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

Norm Sanders
03-04-2007, 06:36 PM
Wow, THAT'S luck of the draw, believe me! Though it does sound German, now that you mention it, Rebecca happened to know the owners, and approached them after mentioning the possibility of the location & how we could work the it into the story ... or in this case, the story around IT to some degree.

I know, I'm a loser for now ponying up the dough to fly cast & crew to Germany to film, when I can have a location that looks just as good here. Such a cheapskate ....

Charli
03-04-2007, 07:09 PM
You stole my actress :cry:

Norm Sanders
03-04-2007, 07:10 PM
:huh: How did I steal her, lol?

Dahopafilms
03-04-2007, 08:03 PM
By the way, Norm, I'm stopping reading your thread for this Fest after it reaches ten pages.

There was this really obscene thread in the last Fest that hit about 85 pages and, well ... you know.:shocked:

Wild Imagination Films
03-04-2007, 10:25 PM
Are you going to shoot it in black and white? Noir style? With double breasted suits and soft focused actresses? If you are, GO FOR IT!!! I would love to see someone do something in this vein. We have an episode of The Jade Egg set in Nazi Germany which will be done in a Noir style but in color.

Norm Sanders
03-04-2007, 10:37 PM
Ten pages? Brian, yours will EASILY hit at LEAST 11, so why the grief?! :grin: And 85 pages had nothing on THREAD THE NEEDLES runaway train, lol.

William (Bill?), I know I won't have it shot B&W, but it could be an interesting look via post. More than likely, it'll have a slightly more cross-processed/desaturated look, but definately more noir ... not harshly so, however for some story reasons I can't go into.

Jack Daniel Stanley
03-04-2007, 11:03 PM
Berlin is a GREAT title ...
Right, and post will be easy, because you will already know what Magic Bullet filter to use :cheesy:

Wild Imagination Films
03-04-2007, 11:21 PM
Now I'm interested. 40's Germany was a facinating place and time. It's sad how one man's insanity destroyed the country.

DarkMatter
03-04-2007, 11:27 PM
I'm always interested in period pieces, What a dark time in history. All the best.

Elton
03-05-2007, 12:13 AM
Good luck on the entry, Norm!

Berlin, eh? Cool title. *cursed with 'riding on the Metroooo' stuck in my head.*

Ted Arabian
03-05-2007, 06:52 AM
Nice location shots, Norm/Rebecca... especailly the interior shot. I can't wait to see how you use that ceiling!!!

Ki-Ki
03-05-2007, 07:48 AM
Nice location shots, Norm/Rebecca... especailly the interior shot. I can't wait to see how you use that ceiling!!!

Hey, are you entering this fest?

RebeccaD
03-05-2007, 09:18 AM
Hello all! Sorry I was unable to post earlier! We are so excited about this film! I love that time period so much as well. Thank you all for your support of our latest venture.

Norm Sanders
03-05-2007, 10:07 AM
Rebecca, glad to see you could join the party, lol! Hope you had a great weekend, as well as a great trip with the family to Mexico! :thumbsup:

Jack, there will be NO Magic Bullet filters ... well, not if I'm in a time crunch at least. I don't have the right video card for it, so the render is like 10x longer than normal. That said, I do like sometimes adding one of their filters at a lower opacity, just for a bit of edge, but not full on Magic Bullet.

William (WIF), totally true about how sad it was that one man could destroy the country like that, though we won't be focusing on that in our story.

Movie Stunts/Elton, thanks! We thought it would be a provocative time period & style as well. Extremely excited to do this, especially with all the players we're looking to bring into it.

Thanks, Ted, yeah that ceiling is incredible. It's one of the features that Rebecca had told me about before we even went to look at it, so we'll have to find some way to make it into the film. Maybe we'll have paratroopers storm the place & come crashing through it on ropes? :grin:

Norm Sanders
03-05-2007, 01:33 PM
:2vrolijk_08: This guy's incredibly gifted. Updated first page/post with his poster concept, knocking it out of the park on the first try. If there are any further adjustments to it, they'll be little, if any. Thanks, Jeremy! :thumbsup:

jeremytuttle
03-05-2007, 05:17 PM
Aaaahhh shucks Norm, thanks.:beer:

Norm Sanders
03-06-2007, 08:56 AM
First draft's been completed & to Rebecca for review/collaboration.

Shooting dates are set for the weekends of April 21st & 28th.

Ki-Ki
03-06-2007, 09:02 AM
Really looking forward to this, any film you two seems to touch turns to magic and im sure this one will be no different. Even from what I seen so far. Good luck.

Robert Sanders
03-06-2007, 11:24 AM
Hey Norm. From one Sanders to another, I'm looking forward to seeing your SpyFest entry. I love the title and banner treatment. Great work.

Norm Sanders
03-06-2007, 03:07 PM
Thanks, Ki-Ki. Though we don't have a long track record yet, we do work well with each other & see big things for this one.

Robert, I just checked out your site. WOW! You've got some SOLID work on there. LOVED Scene 10. All of your work has such a large cinematic value to it. Wouldn't mind at all working with you some day. :thumbsup:

BTW, incredible opening animated company logo. Classy.

RebeccaD
03-06-2007, 09:19 PM
Really looking forward to this, any film you two seems to touch turns to magic and im sure this one will be no different. Even from what I seen so far. Good luck.

Thank you! We are really hoping this one turns out the way we are planning. It should be a fun undertaking.

Mark Harris
03-06-2007, 09:21 PM
Will this be a period piece, perchance?

Tom Marshall
03-06-2007, 09:45 PM
You guys should use "Take My Breath Away" as the theme song. Get it? Berlin? Get it? :undecided

Mark Harris
03-06-2007, 09:53 PM
tommy, stick to the actin' Writing comedy material ain't your bag, son!

Tom Marshall
03-06-2007, 10:03 PM
hahaha! Thanks Mark... :beer:

Norm Sanders
03-06-2007, 10:20 PM
Will this be a period piece, perchance?

Hi-ya, Mark .... yep, 1939. :)

Geoff_R
03-06-2007, 11:59 PM
I give you props for doing a period piece Norm. I really hope to do some in the future and I've got a few stories that can't be done without it, but for now...I still can't shake my producer hat...period piece to me equals more money....then the little guy inside my head yells at me to just change the script to better suit current times :)

So I'm liking this new project of yours much more now since you're going this route. For me, period pieces immediately contain a heightened suspension of disbelief. I'm excited to see how this project enfolds.

Norm Sanders
03-07-2007, 07:53 AM
Thanks, Geoff, we aim to please with this one.

I would typically be with you on the money concerns ... I mean, that's Hollywood's response everytime when they reject a period script. Too much money, too little return.

Thankfully, the location is already practically dressed/set. Then there is a HUGE group of re-enactment folks out here with their own wardrobe, etc., so I think folks may be blown away for how little we can make this ... it'll be more a matter of convincing everyone to donate their time (the talent is my concern, the crew is already onboard), vs. having to pay them all ... because with the amount of players & extras we want, it'd add up FAST otherwise.

Robert Sanders
03-07-2007, 03:25 PM
Wow. Right on. I'm really looking forward to this one. Sounds amazing.

RebeccaD
03-07-2007, 03:30 PM
Yeah, thanks Geoff. I think this will be a very interesting undertaking and I hope we do a good job of reflecting the period.

cinealma
03-07-2007, 03:44 PM
Thanks, Geoff, we aim to please with this one.

I would typically be with you on the money concerns ... I mean, that's Hollywood's response everytime when they reject a period script. Too much money, too little return.

The world that a film exists in is all in the frame, baby! Scorsese eluded to this fact in his commentary on the Raging Bull disc. One example is the actors walking down the street in what's supposed to be 1950's New York. Instead of an establishing shot, he came in with a dolly that moved with the actors. All he needed was few old cars and wardrobe combined with the old stoops in the background. Perfect!

Anything not in the frame of the shot, simply doesn't exist.

Norm Sanders
03-08-2007, 11:51 AM
Wow. Right on. I'm really looking forward to this one. Sounds amazing.

Thanks, Robert. I was just talking to Rebecca at the gym today, and stated that I felt you were the one to watch out for in this fest. Your work on your site just has such massive cinematic value, especially 'Scene 10'. That said, it makes me want to pull out all the stops on this production that much more, lol, so thanks for the extra motivation! :beer:



Anything not in the frame of the shot, simply doesn't exist.

True that! It's a great way to be able to change the world just in that frame alone, and not have to spend big bucks. Even just the clothing, and having the person pick up a ringing phone from circa 1950, will make you feel that you're truly in that era. Thankfully, we just happen to have a location that we don't have to dress much (if at all), and is consistant all throughout ... so we'll be able to really 'explore' the space & get some great establishing wide shots with it as well. :)

Edgen
03-08-2007, 12:09 PM
Hi-ya, Mark .... yep, 1939. :)

It takes place 1939? WOW! Norm, you've definitely got some pressure on ya now. :) I'll be interested to see how you go about finding the wardrobe, and props for such a film so I bet the BTS will be very informative to everyone here.

rock on!
/j

Robert Sanders
03-08-2007, 12:10 PM
Thanks, Robert. I was just talking to Rebecca at the gym today, and stated that I felt you were the one to watch out for in this fest. Your work on your site just has such massive cinematic value, especially 'Scene 10'. That said, it makes me want to pull out all the stops on this production that much more, lol, so thanks for the extra motivation! :beer:

Don't worry about me. Honestly. I had the benefit of a real budget when shooting the "Shadow Point" and "Twenty-Third Letter" pitch-reels. For the SpyFest piece I won't have access to the Steadicam or the JimmyJib or the 1-ton grip truck. So it's really going to rest on ingenuity, shooting from the hip (literally) and ... the actors, who've really got to shine on this piece.

Mark Harris
03-08-2007, 12:16 PM
Well, we managed to make KATRINA seem period without even trying. It wasn't even our intent. So now that I am working on the feature, I am considering setting it in the 50s. I agree you can do it with some pretty simple and specific choices. Look forward to it.

Norm Sanders
03-08-2007, 01:09 PM
Wowza, you didn't even TRY to get a period look for KATRINA? That's amazing, since it certainly had a 50's vibe, though it did also feel in the present to a degree, which is now understandable why.

Whew, thanks for the explaination, Robert! :) I feel so much better that we'll destroy you in this festival now. KIDDING!! :grin: Actually, doesn't matter how much money you have thrown at something, if you don't have a sense of how to compose the shots, pacing, editing, pulling the talent from the actors, etc., it'll still stink. You're still one to reckon with in this fest, money behind you on the project or not.

Yeah, Justin, I was talking to Rebecca about that too this morning, that we'll have a lot of pressure on us for this short. :shocked: So it just makes us want to strive to deliver it that much more.

Mark Harris
03-08-2007, 01:19 PM
Well, we had a certain design in mind, but it came out looking much more period than we intended. But with a little more push I think we can easily really make it look like the 50's.

RebeccaD
03-08-2007, 02:20 PM
I'm ready to go shopping! I love that era!

Dahopafilms
03-08-2007, 02:28 PM
... Even just the clothing, and having the person pick up a ringing phone from circa 1950, will make you feel that you're truly in that era ...
Hey Norm. I have lots of ties from that era. You could borrow any that I'm not wearing to work that day ...

RebeccaD
03-08-2007, 02:30 PM
My dad also has an extensive tie collection. LOL.

Norm Sanders
03-08-2007, 04:52 PM
I'm ready to go shopping! I love that era!

Rebecca's getting all fired up more about the clothes than the actual film, lol. Such a girl. :)

Me? I just want to have someone get shot, or see something explode ... or see someone simply get shot, then explode.

RebeccaD
03-08-2007, 04:57 PM
Rebecca's getting all fired up more about the clothes than the actual film, lol. Such a girl. :)

Me? I just want to have someone get shot, or see something explode ... or see someone simply get shot, then explode.

Spoken like a true testosterone male, lol.

Larry Rutledge
03-08-2007, 05:29 PM
Oh Oh...what if someone gets shot, the bullet explodes upon entry, then the "innocent" bystanders get "shot" by the exploding shrapnel :thumbsup: And then a car blows up, or something cool like that!! :grin:

RebeccaD
03-08-2007, 05:36 PM
Boys, boys, boys and their toys. I guess we have our sappy "chick flicks" too, right? Lol.

Norm Sanders
03-08-2007, 06:51 PM
Oh Oh...what if someone gets shot, the bullet explodes upon entry, then the "innocent" bystanders get "shot" by the exploding shrapnel :thumbsup:

Um, no, they would be hit by pieces of the person that exploded. :) It makes for more drama, as they wipe their friend off their face, like big thick beads of sticky sweat on a hot summer day ... all in silky smooth slo-motion, of course, for that extra dramatic effect. :grin:

Larry, LOVE the new avatar, BTW. Cool beans.

Yes, girls do have their sappy 'chick flicks'. Thankfully my wife & I have a great balance. I'll typically see her chick flicks with her (and admittadly love some of them - THE NOTEBOOK comes to mind, as well as comedies like JUST FRIENDS, etc.), and she'll see action flicks with me. In fact, most nights if we're going to pull out a movie, SHE is the one pulling out an action flick. God bless her.

Speaking of action, me & a few buddies are going to hit a happy hour, and then we're off to see the midnight screening of '300'. Should be fun!

-zach-
03-08-2007, 09:33 PM
Just re-read this one. I realized... I have no chance :)


Speaking of action, me & a few buddies are going to hit a happy hour, and then we're off to see the midnight screening of '300'. Should be fun!

That should be awesome!

I'll be seeing it tomorrow, earliest time possible.

Kevin Lee
03-08-2007, 10:09 PM
Me? I just want to have someone get shot, or see something explode ... or see someone simply get shot, then explode

Dude, now your talkin! Looking forward to a vision of envision.

Tom Marshall
03-08-2007, 10:46 PM
Rebecca's getting all fired up more about the clothes than the actual film, lol. Such a girl. :)

Me? I just want to have someone get shot, or see something explode ... or see someone simply get shot, then explode.

So I take it this will be very Michael Bay-ish... :grin:

Kholi
03-09-2007, 12:04 AM
You guys need a copywriter. That one-line is screaming "help me".

Norm Sanders
03-09-2007, 01:58 PM
-zach-: What are you talking about? Of course you've got a chance! I'm looking forward to seeing yours, seriously.

Kdawg: Lol, I wish I was serious. This is a love story/drama, so the shrapnel & flying body parts might get in the way, since we're limited to six minutes or less. :)

Tommy: Hey buddy! Hmmm, I'm looking forward to getting in some powerful moving shots (ala Bay), but other than perhaps PEARL HARBOR, I don't think this will compare to any of his others. Maybe TRANSFORMERS, lol?

Tom Marshall
03-09-2007, 02:12 PM
I'm sure you'll be able to pull it off, Norm. I'm actually anticipating watching what the story will be. Your main poster has the swastika in the background. Anything related to that? A lot of opportunity for a very rich story there. :beer:

Norm Sanders
03-09-2007, 09:42 PM
Well, the swastika is to help establish the approximate time period, rather than plastering 1939, or similar year across the poster. I don't want to give too much away, other than it's a love story, a conflict of interest (so-to-speak), and .... well ... I'll leave it at that for now. :)

Rebecca & I went through the script today, and polished & added a few players to it. We feel real positive about this script, and thankfully so far those who've read it have responded well also.

Tom Marshall
03-09-2007, 09:57 PM
Man, you need to move to LA so I can play a role in your productions... :)

Kyle Stebbins
03-10-2007, 12:16 PM
Looking great, Norm. Rebecca totally rocks for leaping from project to project with you. -- That poster is wicked cool and totally beautiful. If you can get Jeremy to make a 1440x900 wallpaper of it I will throw it on my background IMMEDIATELY.

Rock on, guys! Go team!

Norm Sanders
03-10-2007, 02:33 PM
Tommy, LA's too expensive ... I'd never be able to make the films for as little as I can make them here! You move up here. There, it's settled. :grin:

Thanks Kyle! While I know that's a compliment to Rebecca, is it a stab at me that she's able to put up with me, and what a trooper she is for still sticking with it?! LOL!

Great idea on the background. Ahem, Jeremy ... care to have folks have your name & work on the desktops? :) :huh: Odd wallpaper size request, but I'm guessing you're on wide screen. If yours is like mine was, there should be a pixel aspect ratio shift you can set it to, so that square objects still hold their shape, yet fill the screen.

I think the most popular sizes are still 800x600, 1024x768, and 1280x1024?

Tom Marshall
03-10-2007, 02:37 PM
That would actually be a nice change of pace, but I think I need to be here... :beer:

And 1440 x 900 is what size my screen is. Nice wide laptop screen. :thumbsup:

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-10-2007, 02:39 PM
Hey Norm, I'm in for audio for the nights of April 21 and April 28, which I guess is the early mornings of the 22nd and 29th.

Ted Arabian
03-10-2007, 02:40 PM
Norm and Rebecca, I just love what you guys are doing here and I am so excited to see your film. I wish that I had thought of a film in this time period! Should be great!

-Ted

Norm Sanders
03-10-2007, 04:29 PM
Shawn, GREAT to hear!! :thumbsup: I had included you as the Sound Mixer in hopes/anticipation, but it's a sigh of relief to know you'll be able to do it for sure. Yep, they're not going to be fun shoots, with regards to the hours. We can only have the location from 2am to 2pm, so they'll likely feel longer than normal!

Thanks, Ted. I'm KIND of hoping that since we've already snatched up that period, other folks will want to stay away from it so they don't look like they're copying, or specifically inspired by us, lol. :grin: That said, I'd certainly welcome more than one period piece out of 40, 60, or 80+ films.

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-10-2007, 04:41 PM
Good times. Is Steve Waters not coming back for this one? Also I know a lot of actors and may be able to make some good recommendations, can you provide some breakdown of the uncast roles?

Norm Sanders
03-10-2007, 04:45 PM
What would make you think Steve's not onboard? I've got him listed on the front page of this thread as 'Key/Lead Gaffer', with Tung Bui onboard as Gaffer. I think they'll be a good team together, and seemed to work well together the one time they were on the same set, which was our first shooting night of SPARROW, about a year ago.

I'll PM you the script now, planning on trying to get it out to everyone by tonight, hopefully. Look forward to your thoughts on it!

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-10-2007, 04:57 PM
Oops, I missed that. I like working with Steve and I have wanted to work with Tung. So are you starring in this one too or just directing?

Norm Sanders
03-10-2007, 05:32 PM
The jury is still out to lunch on that one, though I'm leaning towards acting in it with Rebecca as well ... however, when you see the script, you'll see that her character is clearly the star/lead, more so than any other characters.

The decision I'm deliberating on is that shorts are the only thing I will allow myself to have such an active role in, both behind AND infront of the camera. I won't even consider it for a feature, at least not anytime soon. Since there aren't a lot of acting opportunities that I'm aware of in the area (because I'm not that well connected with other actual filmmakers in the Portland area), these are also my chances to improve another craft I enjoy improving on.

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-10-2007, 05:39 PM
You are good at both, but you'd be so much better doing one or the other. After reading the script, that male role is going to be difficult, and regardless of who plays it, that actor will need a director helping them.

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-10-2007, 05:40 PM
But hey, if you think you can act those scenes without a director then go for it and we'll all judge how you did :-)

Norm Sanders
03-10-2007, 05:51 PM
You're right. I think the film will do fine without a director. We all just work so well together, anyway. :) Seriously, I agree with you on ANYTHING being better when you can give it 100%, but I'd LIKE to believe I'm up to the challenge of still doing well at both if I put my mind to it, and saving the '100% focus on directing only' for the feature, where I'll especially need it even that much more.

All that said, there are 1 or 2 guys I'm looking at considering for that lead role, outside of myself.

Tom Marshall
03-10-2007, 06:52 PM
All that said, there are 1 or 2 guys I'm looking at considering for that lead role, outside of myself.
Norm, I'm really sorry, but it's too far away. I know you have your mind set on me being one of the 2, but I just can't.... hope you understand... :cheesy:

Norm Sanders
03-10-2007, 06:59 PM
Norm, I'm really sorry, but it's too far away. I know you have your mind set on me being one of the 2, but I just can't.... hope you understand... :cheesy: :furious3:

Back to the drawing board ...


Updated the front page with Tim Oakley as Prop Master (previously worked with him on SPARROW, and a good friend of James Eubank - Set Designer/Art Director). Welcome aboard, Tim!

Tom Marshall
03-10-2007, 07:02 PM
How's your working relationship with your DP? If you're both on the same page by going through a lot of preproduction (or not), then I'm sure you could play the role without having to worry about framing / lighting / etc.

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-10-2007, 07:23 PM
Updated the front page with Tim Oakley as Prop Master (previously worked with him on SPARROW, and a good friend of James Eubank - Set Designer/Art Director). Welcome aboard, Tim!

Oh cool! James was telling me all about Tim at the wrap party, that will be cool to work with him.

Ted Arabian
03-11-2007, 07:34 AM
Thanks, Ted. I'm KIND of hoping that since we've already snatched up that period, other folks will want to stay away from it so they don't look like they're copying, or specifically inspired by us, lol. :grin: That said, I'd certainly welcome more than one period piece out of 40, 60, or 80+ films.
Exactly!

I look forward to taking on a period piece one day. I do them in theatre all of the time but with film... wow, I wouldn't be able to get away with the things that I get away with when the audience is 20-30 feet away!

Norm Sanders
03-11-2007, 12:47 PM
Tommy, its a good relationship. I've always got to have a DP I can simply trust, because even if I'm only behind the camera, I have a VERY difficult time paying attention to the picture if I'm also trying to pay attention to the talent's performance. For me, it's one or the other, which is the reason I can't direct & operate camera at the same time.

Shawn, Tim IS a really cool guy. You'll like him.

D and G, we hope to not disappoint with this one, realizing we're taking on a big endeavor & that the bar is already set high from the last fest as well as the new players that are entering this one ... should be a great fest with regards to the quality of films! Great idea on the wedding car service as well ... something to investigate.

Ted, you're absolutely right. On the other hand, you have to dress an entire stage, while with film you can simply dress for what's in frame & shoot/cheat some creative angles to still get what you want. Thankfully, our entire set will be dressed, so we'll be able to explore the space on this one.

Dahopafilms
03-11-2007, 01:14 PM
Just so I can post before this thread hits the ten page maximum, I heard a rumour that "Berlin" was going to be a clever, better-than-the-original remake of Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS.


http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/6493/1173640304.jpg

Any truth to that rumour, Norm?

James Mel
03-11-2007, 01:38 PM
SnaP@

Norm Sanders
03-11-2007, 01:47 PM
LOL, I can't comment on that one Brian ... I'll let Rebecca handle the response. :)

James, no way! 300 was GREAT! Very cool to hear Tim was involved with that ... how come he doesn't get involved with more of the credit acknowledgements for films he's been involved with?

jeremytuttle
03-11-2007, 02:43 PM
That poster is wicked cool and totally beautiful. If you can get Jeremy to make a 1440x900 wallpaper of it I will throw it on my background IMMEDIATELY.

Rock on, guys! Go team!

Thanks Kyle. I'll see if I can throw some wall papers together... even for you fancy pants widescreen folk.
:D

Ki-Ki
03-11-2007, 03:13 PM
I havnt seen Kyle hovering around these forums in ages.

- Loudly -

He's alive then?

James Mel
03-11-2007, 05:10 PM
James, no way! 300 was GREAT! Very cool to hear Tim was involved with that ... how come he doesn't get involved with more of the credit acknowledgements for films he's been involved with?

I think on budget films a lot of stuff gets sub-contracted out. In the case of Tim, Lucasfilm gave him designs and a million dollars for R & D and never told him what the project was for. That was almost two years ago. He only recently found out it was for 300. As a graphic designer, he also does a lot of title design for films that he doesn't get credit for. As for why he doesn't pursue credit acknowledgements, you'll have to ask him. Would you want to be associated with Howard the Duck?

Tom Marshall
03-11-2007, 05:51 PM
I think on budget films a lot of stuff gets sub-contracted out. In the case of Tim, Lucasfilm gave him designs and a million dollars for R & D and never told him what the project was for. That was almost two years ago. He only recently found out it was for 300. As a graphic designer, he also does a lot of title design for films that he doesn't get credit for. As for why he doesn't pursue credit acknowledgements, you'll have to ask him. Would you want to be associated with Howard the Duck?
Oh yeah, everything gets sub-contracted out. Think about it - you go to the best people that are in the industry without having to hire them and get a great result. I know a few graphic designers that do one sheets and larger prints for studios. And speaking of budgets, I've heard that 250k is about what a studio will pay for a poster design and then they could even scrap it. I don't think a million is really that much to spend on R&D for weapons, but what do I know? :)

RebeccaD
03-11-2007, 09:05 PM
Just so I can post before this thread hits the ten page maximum, I heard a rumour that "Berlin" was going to be a clever, better-than-the-original remake of Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS.


http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/6493/1173640304.jpg

Any truth to that rumour, Norm?

Oh yeah, baby....it's going to be hot! :evil: Lol.

Norm Sanders
03-11-2007, 09:14 PM
... and she handled it so much more elegantly than I could have ever dreamed. :grin:

RebeccaD
03-11-2007, 09:15 PM
I do what I can.... Seriously though, thanks so much everyone for the encouragement and ideas for this film. We are excited for it all to come together and appreciate any feedback, questions, etc.

Tom Marshall
03-12-2007, 12:08 AM
Oh yeah, baby....it's going to be hot! :evil: Lol.

So is this going to be another lingerie role for you, Rebecca? I'll definitely make sure to watch this one... :evil: (your husband doesn't read these posts, does he?)

Norm Sanders
03-12-2007, 11:37 AM
Ahem, they were boyshorts, not lingerie, lol. The only way I could talk Rebecca into that outfit for R.E.M., was because I reminded her of the fact that 'most' bathing suits (well, most bikinis anyway) reveal more than that would/did.

And yep, Tommy, he does read these posts ... and he has a TON of air miles racked up too, so travel is not a problem for him. Tread carefully, lol. :grin:

UPDATE: Rebecca & I have just earned our first beating with regards to script writing. We both think so much alike, and were both so close to the characters we were writing, that we just learned we were seeing things differently than the audience might, based on feedback we've rec'd from several different readers.

Today's deliberation is going to be deciding on what we do differently to the characters with regards to final outcome ... hopefully it'll be as powerful as what we originally intended, but it'll at least be a more satisfying ending apparently.

It turns out people don't think having the lead characters choke to death on mustard gas is as romantic as we thought it was! :cheesy:

Robert Sanders
03-12-2007, 12:36 PM
It turns out people don't think having the lead characters choke to death on mustard gas is as romantic as we thought it was! :cheesy:

Dude. I just spit up my coffee that line was so hilarious!

Tom Marshall
03-12-2007, 12:46 PM
Ahem, they were boyshorts, not lingerie, lol. The only way I could talk Rebecca into that outfit for R.E.M., was because I reminded her of the fact that 'most' bathing suits (well, most bikinis anyway) reveal more than that would/did.
I can see you talking her into wearing that as her wardrobe. :grin:


And yep, Tommy, he does read these posts ... and he has a TON of air miles racked up too, so travel is not a problem for him. Tread carefully, lol. :grin:

Yeah, I figured he probably does... lol


UPDATE: Rebecca & I have just earned our first beating with regards to script writing. We both think so much alike, and were both so close to the characters we were writing, that we just learned we were seeing things differently than the audience might, based on feedback we've rec'd from several different readers.

Today's deliberation is going to be deciding on what we do differently to the characters with regards to final outcome ... hopefully it'll be as powerful as what we originally intended, but it'll at least be a more satisfying ending apparently.

It turns out people don't think having the lead characters choke to death on mustard gas is as romantic as we thought it was! :cheesy:
hahaha!! Now that would get my vote for best plot twist. :thumbsup:

RebeccaD
03-12-2007, 02:50 PM
I can see you talking her into wearing that as her wardrobe. :grin:


Norm was quite the salesman, believe me. Lol. He was right though that most bikinis are much less material, so I was practically wearing a mu-mu, right? :engel017:

Ted Arabian
03-12-2007, 02:56 PM
Dude. I just spit up my coffee that line was so hilarious!
I concur! Hysterical!!! I'm still chuckling!


Norm was quite the salesman, believe me. Lol. He was right though that most bikinis are much less material, so I was practically wearing a mu-mu, right? :engel017:
umm, no comment......

Charli
03-12-2007, 05:09 PM
Norm, speaking from a girl's point of view, would you by chance, be taking off your shirt again... ha ha, bet you never thought you'd hear that in this male driven site, huh? Rebecca, you kick butt girl.

Tom Marshall
03-12-2007, 05:28 PM
Norm was quite the salesman, believe me. Lol. He was right though that most bikinis are much less material, so I was practically wearing a mu-mu, right? :engel017:
Trust me, that was no mu-mu... :)

So, Norm, how's the casting process coming along?

Jack Daniel Stanley
03-12-2007, 05:32 PM
Norm, speaking from a girl's point of view, would you by chance, be taking off your shirt again... ha ha, bet you never thought you'd hear that in this male driven site, huh? Rebecca, you kick butt girl. Yeah he's a bastard for pulling off a ribbed sweater so well at his and my age. I'll say it again. Bastard! :angry: :)

Ki-Ki
03-12-2007, 05:41 PM
- Scuttled into the corner slightly with his popcorn, at the sound of the swearing man. A sight he's never seen before.....continued munching. -

O_O

He changed his display picture... =/

Norm Sanders
03-12-2007, 07:18 PM
Tommy, Rebecca will look great in this, believe me, but nope ... no boyshorts, lingerie, etc. :) Also, the casting process looks like it's just expanded or shifted slightly. Rebecca & I just discussed the script further today for the changes I'll make tonight ... I believe we're in the right direction with it now for a more 'satisfying ending'.

Robert/Ted, glad you guys found the mustard gas line so humerous! :grin:

Charli, thanks for the inquiry, lol. The short answer is no.

Jack, ANYONE can wear a ribbed sweater ... they come in all kinds of sizes (S, M, L, etc.). Mine was actually a XXXL just so that it didn't squeeze me like a tube of toothpaste & reveal all the rolls. :)

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-12-2007, 07:51 PM
Hey Norm, glad to hear you're not going to give us an ending that'll drive everyone to dark corners to drain full bottles of whiskey. :-)

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-12-2007, 07:52 PM
Shawn, remember I was telling you Tim made all those prop swords for Lucas Films? I talked to him yesterday. The name of the movie is 300.

No way! That's awesome. I saw 300 twice already and am planning my third trip. What did he make for the movie?

Norm Sanders
03-12-2007, 11:43 PM
Um, Shawn, I think James stated he made the prop swords, lol. :) I really enjoyed the film too, and wouldn't mind seeing it again with another group of guys. I actually think my wife would like it too, surprisingly.

Gosh, you must have thought the current ending was REALLY sad, lol. Well, as much as I was hoping to get to it tonight, I can't. I'm having software issues on my laptop, and my PC is busy rendering out a massive client project right now, so it'll have to wait until tomorrow. Regardless, I'll look forward to getting the revised draft to you to check out. :beer:

Ted Arabian
03-13-2007, 12:02 AM
OMG, Norm... don't even start with the computer issues again. I can't take it!

Glad to hear 300 is a good flick. I just watched the History Channel special on that conflict.... wow. Amazing. I am looking forward to the feature!

Norm Sanders
03-13-2007, 12:08 AM
It's a pretty mild issue, actually, and just gives me an excuse to take it easier tonight. Not a bad thing at all. I'd love to watch that History Channel special on it the 300 conflict. It just dawned on me the other day about one of the stories of Gideon, who was one of the Judges for the Hebrews in the Old Testament. He also went to battle with only 300 men, I believe ... but he won his battles, lol. Also a pretty interesting story.

Just updated the front page with revised poster by the amazingly talented Jeremy Tuttle. He also put together a wallpaper, which can be seen & downloaded on the second post of the 1st page.

You rock, Jeremy!

Ted Arabian
03-13-2007, 12:14 AM
Poster looks GREAT Norm/Jeremy. I love that actor TBD. I see him everywhere!!! :)

Yes, that History Channel presentation was pretty dang good. I'll see if I can track down the next viewing and let you know about it.

-Ted

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-13-2007, 12:19 AM
Um, Shawn, I think James stated he made the prop swords, lol. :) I really enjoyed the film too, and wouldn't mind seeing it again with another group of guys. I actually think my wife would like it too, surprisingly.


Norm...Norm...I know he said he made swords, but there are a hell of a lot of swords in that movie (Spartan swords, Immortal Ninja swords, Persian grunt swords, Persian fancy swords, etc.).

Chantelle saw it with me on my second viewing and really enjoyed it and said she wouldn't mind a second screening.

James Mel
03-13-2007, 12:28 AM
No way! That's awesome. I saw 300 twice already and am planning my third trip. What did he make for the movie?

Tim specifically mentioned bows and arrows the other day. And last year when he told me about the project he talked about spears and swords. He thought it was for some Egyptian thing at the time.

Jack Daniel Stanley
03-13-2007, 12:44 AM
Jack, ANYONE can wear a ribbed sweater ... they come in all kinds of sizes (S, M, L, etc.). Mine was actually a XXXL just so that it didn't squeeze me like a tube of toothpaste & reveal all the rolls. :)
haha, yes. And ANYONE can wear a speedo as well. But most of us really shouldn't.

Until they come out with a ribbed sweater that blouses around the mid section or I drop 40lbs, you will not see me in one.

RebeccaD
03-13-2007, 09:28 AM
Speedos? Ewww.....lol.

Yes. I believe we have found a better and more satisfying ending with the story. Same basic premise, but a few changes to satisfy our viewing audience.:)

Ted Arabian
03-13-2007, 09:42 AM
What's wrong with Speedos??? (besides the fact that I can no longer wear them anymore! Man, I have got to get down to my "fighting weight!!!")

RebeccaD
03-13-2007, 01:15 PM
Let's just say, there's not a lot left to the imagination, and sometimes that can be a good thing. :thumbsup:

Ted Arabian
03-13-2007, 01:25 PM
Okay, I am blushing my butt off! Back on topic.... Baaack on topic!

So, how's that new ending coming along??? :)

RebeccaD
03-13-2007, 02:42 PM
Its coming along really well! We had a good pow-wow yesterday and feel like the new ending is going to resonate well with the viewer. Thanks so much for the encouragement.

Norm Sanders
03-13-2007, 02:47 PM
I'll get it done sometime today/tonight, do or die. I'll have to figure out a fix, or stop the renders on my main PC for a while for me to tackle it ... just have this client project I'm trying to kick out the door tonight, and I keep getting last minute changes (even as of a couple hours ago), which means more render time, blah, blah, blah.

Rebecca's going to contact the owner(s) of our main location (perhaps today, if there's time? :) ) to give them the exact shooting dates. I've also been getting a LOT of interest from folks wanting to be involved with this production, so fielding those Q's, as well as trying to see who's the best fit where, etc. Though there will be some pretty consistant time/energy spent over the next several weeks (not a lot, just consistant), I imagine it'll get REAL interesting about two weeks before as the caliber of this production begins to come to a head & we near actual production.

EDIT:

Its coming along really well! We had a good pow-wow yesterday and feel like the new ending is going to resonate well with the viewer. Thanks so much for the encouragement.

LOL, gosh I'm slow! By about 5 minutes it looks like. :shocked: Thanks for also being more succinct than I was in response, Rebecca ... I'm such an airbag, lol.

Norm Sanders
03-13-2007, 03:13 PM
Kyle, you've got your 1440x900 widescreen wallpaper request, thanks to Jeremy Tuttle! Hope you like it! :)

For anyone who doesn't have widescreen monitors, there's also now the standard three sizes available, all on the first page, second post: Here's a link for convenience ... http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=881879&postcount=2


Enjoy, and THANKS Jeremy for your great work!

Tom Marshall
03-13-2007, 03:51 PM
This thread is officially rated...

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/17011/1173822870.gif

Ki-Ki
03-13-2007, 04:12 PM
- Walks out with Popcorn, his head lowered in shame. -

Norm Sanders
03-13-2007, 04:37 PM
WHAT?! How'd we get that rating?? The speedo stuff is totally cleaned up now, and I never even participated, lol.

Well, on a SLIGHTLY different note, and because you, Tommy, were asking about wardrobe attire, etc. ... I thought I'd provide you with a desktop wallpaper I created for R.E.M. I've also updated the R.E.M. thread with the following:

http://www.eefilm.com/rem/graphics/rem-desktop-thumb.jpg (http://www.eefilm.com/rem/graphics/rem-desktop.jpg)

Again, swimsuit tops reveal as much if not more (many of them anyway) than what Rebecca wore in R.E.M., so it's a tasteful wallpaper that simply refelcts the film. :)

Herman Witkam
03-13-2007, 04:47 PM
Poster looking great, Jeremy!

Dahopafilms
03-13-2007, 05:02 PM
Why is it that after reading these posts I'm getting this awful feeling that I've over-inflated the tires in my car?

Yes. I stole this line from Letterman - but it fits so perfectly.

Tom Marshall
03-13-2007, 05:51 PM
Spot on, Norm. Spot on... :beer:

True, bikini tops do reveal more, but I still won't attempt to use that for my work wallpaper... :D

Norm Sanders
03-13-2007, 05:58 PM
Why is it that after reading these posts I'm getting this awful feeling that I've over-inflated the tires in my car?

Yes. I stole this line from Letterman - but it fits so perfectly.

Must be a Canadian/East Coast thing? Why don't I get this? If you're talking about over inflating your own film/thread, that's absolute nonsense! Your thread has a very distinctive ... er, how should I say this ... vibe! :) At least 99% or more of the DVXuser population (since 99% are guys) will be guaranteed to want to watch your film, Brian. :thumbsup: Oh, and I noticed you posted AFTER page 10! Caught'cha! LOL.


C'mon, Tommy, you can always find another job. :grin:

Ted Arabian
03-13-2007, 06:00 PM
I am SOOOOOOOOO sorry about participating in that Speedo conversation. I can assure you that you will not get an R-rating by anything else that I will put in this thread!

(that is as long as "F*ck! F*ck, f*ck, f*ck!" doesn't offend the review board! :) )

Tom Marshall
03-13-2007, 06:07 PM
C'mon, Tommy, you can always find another job.
Oh, I intend to verrrrry soon! :)


(that is as long as "F*ck! F*ck, f*ck, f*ck!" doesn't offend the review board! )
This thread is now rated:
http://www.greendalecinema.com/images/rating_nc17.gif

Brandon Rice
03-13-2007, 07:56 PM
Wow, you all are nuts... do I sense another runaway thread like the one infamous one in dramafest?

Dahopafilms
03-13-2007, 08:28 PM
Must be a Canadian/East Coast thing? Why don't I get this? If you're talking about over inflating your own film/thread, that's absolute nonsense! Your thread has a very distinctive ... er, how should I say this ... vibe! :) At least 99% or more of the DVXuser population (since 99% are guys) will be guaranteed to want to watch your film, Brian. :thumbsup: Oh, and I noticed you posted AFTER page 10! Caught'cha! LOL. ...
*sigh*

Just six more days. Six more days ... (until my self-imposed moratorium is over, Norm:lipsrseal)

*sigh*

(psssst. Hey. Norm. OK. So look at Rebecca's fantastic poster. Now read my post. Look at Rebecca's poster. Read my post - repeat until you get it)

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-13-2007, 08:51 PM
Hey Norm, I want to read the new script. Also I'm curious if you have decided to star or cast. Is Reid in this one?

Norm Sanders
03-13-2007, 10:24 PM
Brandon: Nope, not a chance.

Brian: Okay, I get it ... and no comment.

Shawn: I'll be working on the changes tonight. You're the first person (outside of Rebecca and I) to have read the script, and still only 1 of 2 other people on the crew who've seen it at all. So hold your horses! :)

Still out to lunch on the starring thing, though I think I know where you stand on that one with regards to what I should do, lol. I would love for Reid to be in this one. My concern is where. Though I've not contacted anyone in the reinactment community that you've spoken of, I do know that any we can get onboard will likely have their own gear/uniforms, saving us a ton of money. Anyone NOT in that community, we'll likely have to provide the costume/uniforms, which increases cost. That said, with the revised script there could be some other opportunities for him as well.

K, back to finishing up this project that I HAVE to get off my plate (and collect final payment on), and then to the script later tonight.

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-13-2007, 10:37 PM
Norm, I don't care if you star in it if you want. If you are Orson Welles and I misread you, then blow us all away :-)

Norm Sanders
03-13-2007, 10:55 PM
Can you get any more sublte with the sarcasm?

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-13-2007, 11:00 PM
Lol, it's not me Norm, it's the whiskey talking!

EDIT: I just had a big nice breakthrough in my own script writing this evening and felt like some good natured ribbing, all in good fun, I think you're a good actor. Sheesh, I'm courting you to star in one of my Red productions :-)

Dahopafilms
03-13-2007, 11:44 PM
Hey Shawn - when you cast Norm in your production, could you please promise not to have a scene where he takes off his shirt?

Please?

For the audience, at least?

(the next thing we know, he'll be running for Governor of the State of California)

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-13-2007, 11:48 PM
Hmm...good point, but he was already asking me to let him wear a speedo, I believe he mentioned buying "the cutest leopard print you've ever seen". I'll have to mention the fans are petioning him not to.

RebeccaD
03-14-2007, 08:43 AM
LOL! Okay, that's funny. Leopard print....okay.

I totally got the inflated tires thing, Brian! Cute. Lol

Norm Sanders
03-14-2007, 03:47 PM
So, moving on .... :)

Last night was a bust for me in getting to the script, as I had hoped. That said, I DID finish the client project & looks like I have final approval, so today IS script day.

You have my word on it. :beer:

Ted Arabian
03-14-2007, 03:58 PM
Hey Norm, congrats on the client project and good luck with the script. Nice to see someone on this thread trying to stay focused! :grin:

Larry Rutledge
03-14-2007, 04:07 PM
...so today IS script day. ... You have my word on it. :beer:

If you want to stay the "Script Wrangler" you better not let us down http://www.comicguide.net/images/smilies/hamster.gif

Norm Sanders
03-14-2007, 04:09 PM
Working on it now ... while I'm on a conference call & working on expense reports, lol. Besides, 'Script Wrangler' is more about being able to obtain good scripts, not necessarily writing them myself. I've never really considered myself a writer, per se, but have lately been getting pushed more & more into that role. :)

Ted, glad you noticed I'm trying to keep this at least mildly on focus. I don't want this to become an alternate cafe, and possibly lose respect along the way for what we're going to be doing.

Larry Rutledge
03-14-2007, 04:14 PM
Yea, I know what "script wrangler" is really for...but it was an easy way to hassle ya, since I haven't had a chance to for a while http://www.starworld-toys.com/peter/lol.gif

Brandon Rice
03-14-2007, 04:21 PM
Ted, glad you noticed I'm trying to keep this at least mildly on focus. I don't want this to become an alternate cafe, and possibly lose respect along the way for what we're going to be doing.

heehee... sounds oddly familiar... :Drogar-Happy(DBG):

Norm Sanders
03-14-2007, 04:22 PM
Oh, yes, and Brandon/Ted, or anyone else reading that ... it's not a stab at anything in the past. I'm wanting to learn from it is all, lol, and make sure the conversations at least come back to the film/project within a few posts, if at all possible.

Ha! Love the smiley, Larry. Read back a few pages ... you think I've not gotten hassled enough?! Kidding, it's all good.

Ted Arabian
03-14-2007, 04:25 PM
I just love Larry's smileys! They're the best.

And yes.... there was that obnoxious thread last fest! Thank goodness those guys aren't back! :)

RebeccaD
03-14-2007, 10:07 PM
Lol! Ted! Nice. Larry, I want some smileys like that, no fair. :cry:

Norm, way to stay on task, bud! Glad we hit the beats for the ending, etc. today. Forward me the latest copy when you can!

Norm Sanders
03-14-2007, 10:19 PM
Had to take a break to watch THE LAST STARFIGHTER with the kids. Been quite a while since I'd seen that ... boy the VFX in it sucked something aweful, lol!

Back on task & will have it to you tonight, Rebecca, though you'll likely be in bed long before I will. 'Night!

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-15-2007, 12:47 AM
I'm looking forward to reading the new script Norm. Rebecca, is there a dance floor in front of the stage where your band will be playing? The swing dancers in town know a very old sensual form of slow dancing called the Blues that would look cool if it had the right sound.

Norm Sanders
03-15-2007, 12:54 AM
There's no official dance spot in Huber's, though we'll make room for it in the set.

Just finished the script (about 5 minutes ago) with a COMPLETELY different ending, slightly massaged opening, and a new scene near the end as well. Hoping it works as well or better than before (as far as emotional punch). Though I still believe in the other ending a lot, people just weren't seeing it as Rebecca and I did, and instead found it depressing ... which is not what we intended, nor want the audience to feel.

I'll look forward to your thoughts on it, Shawn. I'm printing it for my wife to read tonight, and will have it to Rebecca to review when she has time tomorrow. After that, I'll share it with you & hopefully the rest of the cast/crew as well.

RebeccaD
03-15-2007, 11:43 AM
Norm, I just finished the script. I have a break before my next session so I'll call to chat with you about it. I think it looks really good! Great work! Go team! :thumbsup:

Norm Sanders
03-15-2007, 01:28 PM
Good chat, Rebecca, thanks as always for your time & input! Some good tweaks.

Shawn, just PM'd you the link to the script. Look forward to your thoughts (privately, of course, lol).

jeremytuttle
03-15-2007, 02:44 PM
Though I still believe in the other ending a lot, people just weren't seeing it as Rebecca and I did, and instead found it depressing ... which is not what we intended, nor want the audience to feel.


I have a feeling I would have liked that version better:cheesy: (come on, would have the English Patient been as good of a movie if the patient got up, dusted off his wounds, jumped on a horse and rode off in to the sunset with his girl by his side... or if that guy in Titanic lived to hang out with Rose... I think not:Drogar-Evil(DBG): )

Any way, I'm sure what ever you came up with will be great.

Herman Witkam
03-15-2007, 03:03 PM
Good chat, Rebecca, thanks as always for your time & input! Some good tweaks.

Shawn, just PM'd you the link to the script. Look forward to your thoughts (privately, of course, lol).

Norm,

Feel free to send me the latest version of the script as well, for inspiration. :)

RebeccaD
03-15-2007, 03:09 PM
Herman, I would love to hear your thoughts! Thanks all for the feedback!

Norm, good pow-wow today. Thanks for all the effort!

Norm Sanders
03-15-2007, 05:11 PM
Herman, I've PM'd you a link to the most recent (third) draft of the script. Look forward to your thoughts. :)

Jeremy, you bring up an excellent point. Same point my primary writer, Jeff Hawley, has brought up as well with other fine movies as examples. This is something that Rebecca and I actually spoke in depth about before making the changes. While we saw the ending as very noble, and the ultimate in sacrificial love (therefore, we saw it as very romantic), the overwhelming result we rec'd from readers was nearly a polar opposite to how we felt.

Then when we discussed it further, we both realized we really only enjoy watching films multiple times if they have a ending we feel good about, or something that makes us feel good about ourselves. My wife and I, for example, have a fair some of movies in our library that have depressing endings (Titanic, The Green Mile, etc.) yet never end up watching them more than the initial time simply because we know it'll leave us kind of depressed/heavy at the end, and that's not what we're in the mood for (never are). So we turn back to movies that make us feel good, laugh, love, etc.

Ultimately, we want BERLIN to be something that people will enjoy watching more than once, because of the ending, similar to how we felt about THE ARTIST in the DramaFest.

Truly, it's a tough call, and hopefully one we're making the right decision on...

RebeccaD
03-15-2007, 06:38 PM
Whew! This has been an interesting journey thus far on the script. I love the various beats, characters that have been added and I hope the new ending will really resonate with people. We'll see.....

I met with the owner of Huber's today to give him the dates for shooting. He is very excited to have his place in our film. Great guy.

Charli
03-15-2007, 07:13 PM
Alternate ending? I bet Rebecca was suppose to die in that first ending, die as she had just whacked off the bad guy/girl, die having served her country, die die die. Well, am I close?

RebeccaD
03-15-2007, 07:17 PM
LOL! Dang! You guessed it!:furious3:

Norm Sanders
03-15-2007, 07:37 PM
C'mon, Charli, don't you keep up?! :) We gave out the ending clear back on page 11, post #105.


.... Today's deliberation is going to be deciding on what we do differently to the characters with regards to final outcome ... hopefully it'll be as powerful as what we originally intended, but it'll at least be a more satisfying ending apparently.

It turns out people don't think having the lead characters choke to death on mustard gas is as romantic as we thought it was! :cheesy:

Dahopafilms
03-15-2007, 11:05 PM
... While we saw the ending as very noble, and the ultimate in sacrificial love (therefore, we saw it as very romantic), the overwhelming result we rec'd from readers was nearly a polar opposite to how we felt.

Then when we discussed it further, we both realized we really only enjoy watching films multiple times if they have a ending we feel good about, or something that makes us feel good about ourselves. My wife and I, for example, have a fair some of movies in our library that have depressing endings (Titanic, The Green Mile, etc.) yet never end up watching them ...
Lost in Translation - fantastic ending.

Lost in Space - horrible ending.

Maybe something in between?

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-16-2007, 01:59 AM
There are reasons deep in the human psyche for why stories are enjoyable or not, and they are fairly universal. Aristotle tought on many of the core elements of what propels satisfaction in story in his book Poetics.

Herman Witkam
03-16-2007, 04:22 AM
Lost in Space - horrible ending.

It's not just the ending that sucked about Lost in Space. :D

Typical type of let's-use-robots-and-spaceships-and-the-film-will-be-great kind of flick.

Dahopafilms
03-16-2007, 11:55 AM
... I met with the owner of Huber's today to give him the dates for shooting. He is very excited to have his place in our film. Great guy.
Rebecca (and yes, you too, Norm)

I was just thinking about that fantastic interior location you have and also your comment about the owner's enthusiasm. As that truly is a unique location that must have some history to it, have you perhaps considered (will you be) getting some BTS material with the owner and giving us some background on the location itself?

I, for one, would find that very interesting.

Norm Sanders
03-16-2007, 01:13 PM
Brian, I think that's an excellent idea, and I'm cofident the owner would be MORE than happy to oblige with an interview talking about the history, how he came about owning it, etc.

On another note, the ongoing saga of the script continues. I'm happy to write towards the majority, however we have such a fraction/split on the story, it's driving me nuts, both sides having good arguments for their cases. At this point, Rebecca and I will be discusing today a possible combination of Drafts 2 & 3, with yet a different ending. That, or the thing for us now is to get the two scripts out to as many different folks (friends, family, etc.) as we can to see which script version they prefer most ... then produce that piece.

Tom Marshall
03-16-2007, 02:34 PM
Norm... I think you should push towards the "surprise the audience" direction. After all, it was Eddie Van Halen who brilliantly uttered the phrase, "f**k the critics." :beer:

Larry Rutledge
03-16-2007, 04:53 PM
I say, go with the ending where the protagonist hacks his cell phone to connect to the Hubble Telescope, sending the commands to re-orient the lens so it reflects light from the sun down to a specific location on earth, where his arch-nemesis is having coffee at an outdoor cafe, frying him like a bug under a magnifying glass.

That one was so intense and just felt so "real"...I say choose th... Oh shoot, this was supposed to be in a PM, huh? :embarasse NOBODY READ THIS POST, IT'S PRIVATE!!

Charli
03-16-2007, 05:26 PM
Norm - actually, I've been moving stuff to new apartment, I barely have time to read everything on our thread. It truly was just a wild guess. Die, Becca, die! I vote that she dies and kills everyone along with her, bawhawahahaha.

Tom Marshall
03-16-2007, 07:08 PM
I say, go with the ending where the protagonist hacks his cell phone to connect to the Hubble Telescope, sending the commands to re-orient the lens so it reflects light from the sun down to a specific location on earth, where his arch-nemesis is having coffee at an outdoor cafe, frying him like a bug under a magnifying glass.

That one was so intense and just felt so "real"...I say choose th... Oh shoot, this was supposed to be in a PM, huh? :embarasse NOBODY READ THIS POST, IT'S PRIVATE!!

Hey Larry, how'd you get ahold of my script??!?! Did you hack my PC? That's the only way you could have *possibly* come up with that cell phone idea... by stealing it from me... :violent5:

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-16-2007, 10:21 PM
As long as Norm keeps the German exotic dancers in vintage lingerie, I'll be a happy crew member... :-)

RebeccaD
03-17-2007, 02:03 PM
As long as Norm keeps the German exotic dancers in vintage lingerie, I'll be a happy crew member... :-)

Shhh! We don't want other film crews getting jealous.

Manuu
03-18-2007, 04:14 AM
I'm definitely excited about the film.

German vintage lingerie? You want me to ask my grand-ma if she want's to give you some of hers?

Norm Sanders
03-18-2007, 04:21 PM
I've had the script read by some people who's opinions I would respect, with litterally the same results ... split right down the middle, which really kind of surprised me. I was hoping for a majority vote, which just didn't happen. The best advice I rec'd from someone was for Rebecca and I to make a film that we were most happy with, disregarding what others thought.

While I always want to be making a film that the masses will love (while still being true to my own vision), in this case especially I'll have to agree ... and I think Rebecca will also.

We'll be getting together tomorrow to sift through notes & feedback, but ultimately we'll be combining pieces that we like from both drafts and settling on a story/script that personally moves us the most.

A SINCERE thank you to everyone who's been following this so far, is in support of the project, and who has offered input/suggestions so far. :love4:

RebeccaD
03-18-2007, 10:59 PM
Looking forward to tomorrow to narrow down changes, etc! Thanks all, so much for feedback!

Norm Sanders
03-19-2007, 06:06 PM
Had our pow-wow, which my lovely wife (Shahna) was able to sit in on as well. Long story short, while this script has began to feel like an albatross hanging around my neck, we're taking some solid advice to just make the story that we want to make, and not care what others have to say in advance (to a degree, anyway).

That said, it was interesting how we started out with this, because both Rebecca and I were both so inspired by THE ARTIST in the DramaFest that we too wanted to create a love story with a warm & fuzzy ending. However, as we've become so incredibly torn with two different endings for this 'love story', we've re-evaluated what we really want to do & accomplish with this.

As such, we're taking this in a totally different direction .. a VERY dark, dark direction ... :evil:

Charli
03-19-2007, 06:09 PM
dark direction... die, Rebecca, die...

Dahopafilms
03-19-2007, 06:23 PM
... we're taking some solid advice to just make the story that we want to make, and not care what others have to say in advance (to a degree, anyway).

...

As such, we're taking this in a totally different direction .. a VERY dark, dark direction ... :evil:
Norm! You FOOL!

Never, ever trust yourself or your instincts. Always accept everything that strangers suggest and keep changing your story to make sure you are complying with the views of others.

In that way, even if you do manage to get your project off the ground and actually make something, it'll probably be a big blob of poo and there'll thus be a greater chance for the rest of us to place a little better this time out.

Trust me on this. Thanks.

(and - oh yeah - the moratorium has now expired. Weenie)

Norm Sanders
03-19-2007, 06:28 PM
(and - oh yeah - the moratorium has now expired. Weenie)

Tee-hee. You make me giggle like a school girl. :violent5:

Neil Rowe
03-19-2007, 09:02 PM
Norm! You FOOL!

Never, ever trust yourself or your instincts. Always accept everything that strangers suggest and keep changing your story to make sure you are complying with the views of others.

hehe. :) but honestly one has to be careful not to swing too much in the other direction as well. at least personally I would have a hard time finding the point of making a film which only me myself and i think is worth watching. I actually think that being too set in ones ways is the very downfall of most independent filmmakers. we can very easily tend to get so wrapped up in our own visions that we loose sight of reality until after were faced with the tangled web of "..im not really sure where i was going with this.." we are left with when the film is complete and has recieved numerous accolades from ..well if were lucky ..our mothers or cat. personally i can say that one of the most valuable lessons ive learned ..and am still learning throughout my feable days of filmmaking, is that while the voices of others are certainly not right All the time, they do happen to be right ALOT of the time (espescially if in unison). ..not to say you should let them stumble you on this one Norm. if you've crunched the numbers and they add up, then I say stick to your wits. if we never dared to run against the grain, man wouldnt be flying and the world wold still be flat.. ect. ect. Im just saying that the step of rewinding and reviewing before pusing the button is an important one. .. cause if were right.. we blow the doors off the film. but being wrong means it blows up in our faces. .which is bad for our faces. so just making a point that it never hurts to take a deep breath and re-evaluate the situation. which i would conclude youve done a pretty good job of here from the sound of it. :)

RebeccaD
03-19-2007, 10:01 PM
Believe me, Neil we have thoroughly evaluated where we are going with this film. I realize that it is difficult to please everyone, but I feel that we have a really solid story that I hope will appeal.

Charli, why do you want me to die so badly? Lol.

Norm Sanders
03-19-2007, 11:20 PM
I think we've got a good balance here. Honestly, I know Rebecca and I think a lot a like, and most everyone seemed really pleased with what we did for WHERE SILENCE FALLS ... which we didn't take suggestions on in advance, etc.

Perhaps our problem with this one was we let folks' opinions rattle our cage enough to where we doubted ourselves, when in reality if we had just moved forward with the 2nd draft, I believe we still would have had a film we would have been immensly proud of, and would have performed well to boot.

That said, when we really boiled it down today, for some reason we decided to take this in a completely new & different direction ... In the long run, it comes down to we believe this will leave a much longer lasting impression on the viewer when they're done.

:2vrolijk_08: :eek: Mustard gas for all! :eek: :2vrolijk_08:

RebeccaD
03-20-2007, 10:55 AM
Norm, shhh! We don't want anyone copying our mustard gas disaster scene! Dang!

Matt Sconce
03-20-2007, 11:40 AM
Norm, shhh! We don't want anyone copying our mustard gas disaster scene! Dang!

Too late...Sleeper will now have a "completely original" mustard gas disaster scene....completely not stolen from Berlin........:engel017: jk

Norm Sanders
03-20-2007, 11:49 AM
Yes, but ours will involve drinking a liquid form concentrate through vintage Mickey Mouse curvey straws. No one will EVER think of that .... doh!! :Drogar-Thinking(DBG



Updated the first page/post with revised logline. Also updated all the cast/crew with links to their DVXuser profiles and/or IMDB credit(s).

RebeccaD
03-20-2007, 12:07 PM
Ah, man, now we can't be all original and everything.... Norm, you are in trouble. :violent5:

Neil Rowe
03-20-2007, 03:23 PM
... so i suppose my "ketchup gas" scene is out the window too then?

Charli
03-20-2007, 06:08 PM
Oh, that's easy, Rebecca, you're not in MY short. bawhwahahwhaha

Ted Arabian
03-20-2007, 07:02 PM
huh? A new location??? Your not going to use that glass ceiling??? I'm disappointed but trust in you guys!

Really excited about your film and lookng forward to what this dyno-team beings next!!!

-Ted

Norm Sanders
03-20-2007, 07:08 PM
Lol. New direction, not new location. :) We still have 100+ Stormtroopers that will come smashing through that beautiful stained glass ceiling ... AFTER we dispense with the mustard gas finale.

Ted Arabian
03-20-2007, 07:12 PM
Whew! I don't know WHY my eyes read that as "location!" Glad to hear that the ceiling is still toast! :)

RebeccaD
03-20-2007, 09:14 PM
Ted, lol! I know you have been a big fan of that locale. It is gorgeous and we hope to use it to the best possible potential.

RebeccaD
03-22-2007, 04:13 PM
I have written some notes for Norm to do the changes we discussed, so we should have the final draft completed in the next day or so. I'm glad we nailed something down we can really feel good about.

Charli
03-22-2007, 04:15 PM
Rebecca - spill the beans, what are the changes? heh

RebeccaD
03-22-2007, 04:56 PM
You know, the mustard gas scene where I die!!! LOL!

Larry Rutledge
03-22-2007, 05:08 PM
Wait, what happened to using a cell phone to hack into the hubble telescoe in order to re-direct it's mirror so it would reflect the sun's rays down and fry "Evil Guy #1" like a bug under a magnifying glass?!?!?

HA HA HA :grin:

Seriously, I'm really looking forward to seeing what you guys finally decided on. I know it's hard when you get too much feedback and a lot of it seems to be conflicting. Ultimately, it is your story, and you have to tell it the way your heart tells you too.

If you are passionate about telling your story, that will come through and people will find it enjoyable...even if it wasn't the ending they voted for ;)

Norm Sanders
03-22-2007, 05:09 PM
You know, the mustard gas scene where I die!!! LOL!

We've already started rehearsing the scene where Rebecca needs to have blood spew out her nose (from the convulsing of her internally bleeding lungs, of course). We're working our way up, starting with milk, then Cool-Aid, then onto the more thicker consistancy stuff like chocolate syrup.

Taking one for the team. She's quite the trooper. :)

By the time we're done with her, we should be able to get her a spot on Leno or Letterman (we'll even settle for Conan), doing the whole noodle trick through each nostril!


I know it's hard when you get too much feedback and a lot of it seems to be conflicting. Ultimately, it is your story, and you have to tell it the way your heart tells you too.

If you are passionate about telling your story, that will come through and people will find it enjoyable...even if it wasn't the ending they voted for ;)

You're right in that we should tell the story our hearts tell us to, Larry. And what I've learned recently is that Rebecca must have a very, VERY dark heart to think up the sick stuff she wants to introduce now. The mental images she's introduced my mind to with her warped story telling ideas ... *shudders* Praying we can keep it to the R rating maximum.

Herman Witkam
03-22-2007, 06:08 PM
You know, the mustard gas scene where I die!!! LOL!

oh, right - working on the funeral march for that one now :D

jeremytuttle
03-22-2007, 06:32 PM
oh, right - working on the funeral march for that one now :D

This movie is getting better every minute.:Drogar-Evil(DBG):

RebeccaD
03-22-2007, 07:14 PM
oh, right - working on the funeral march for that one now :D

Yeah, thanks, Herman. That is a really pivotal scene.

Norm, stop giving away our freakin story! :( Also, to anyone interested, Norm is the dark and twisted one. I have had to really reel him in on this one. The places he wanted to go....nightmares, I tell you.

Norm Sanders
03-22-2007, 08:04 PM
Also, to anyone interested, Norm is the dark and twisted one. I have had to really reel him in on this one. The places he wanted to go....nightmares, I tell you.

Bah!! Pure as the driven snow I tell ya'. :engel017:

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-22-2007, 08:05 PM
If I'm going to stay up all night for two nights for this short, this script had better be worth filming! :-)

RebeccaD
03-22-2007, 08:09 PM
Bah!! Pure as the driven snow I tell ya'. :engel017:

Don't you be stealing my halo, now! I've earned that!

Norm Sanders
03-22-2007, 09:59 PM
Okay, so this happened once before, and John Hudson was very forthcoming in saying OOPS! in that he had accidentally rated our thread a star rating of 1, as he was just experimenting & couldn't reverse it (totally no hard feelings John, and thanks for being the man that you are to step up like you did!).

Like then, I'm kindly asking now for the person who rated us a "1" to simply be mature enough & step forward to state why. Perhaps it was another accident. Otherwise, it's someone who thinks this thread is "terrible", yet is too immature, or too scared to reveal themselves, to state what has gone wrong to make this thread the lowest rating in their eyes that it could be. :huh:

Honestly, bring on the criticism. We're open to it. And if someone truly think's it's the most terrible/lowest rating that's allowed then that's fine ... I'd just love to know what you're thinking in specific. Maybe we can all learn from your questions or statements about it.

Otherwise, I think the thread opens up decently with a great looking poster by Jeremy, some fun wallpapers (also by Jeremy), and some BTS shots of our primary location. A lot of discussions have happened about the story & direction we'll be taking this, and then some off topic stuff that tends to get reeled back fairly quickly. We will continue to update the thread with progress that we hope will not only be insightful, but also inspiring to the other filmmakers on here.

So come on, '1-Star-Rater' ... Don't give in to the temptation of hiding behind that internet curtain! Be proud, and sing it loud!! :)

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-22-2007, 10:23 PM
You're funny Norm, you swing from not caring what people think "write a story that makes us happy" to suddenly really caring who rated you a 1 :-)

Norm Sanders
03-22-2007, 10:31 PM
Ah, you've got me wrong. I think Rebecca and I cared too much about what people thought, and then got totally torn when we had such a perfect split down the center of two different camps wanting to totally different endings ... so to compromise, yet still deliver something we think people will really like, we changed gears totally for the ending.

And I personally don't care if folks rate the thread a 1-5 rating, but it stands out pretty obvious when you've only got a few, that someone specifically did a hit-n-run with a 1 rating. At that point, then I'd like he or she to simply state what they think is so horrible about the thread.

Kind of like back in the day when DVXuser allowed guests to post ... you could have people absolutely trash a thread under complete cover (no username, etc. as they weren't signed in)... thankfully they got rid of that pretty quickly. If someone has something to say, or feels strongly about something, they shouldn't hide. Just IMO.

Brandon Rice
03-22-2007, 11:15 PM
Hey Norm, I tried to do my part and rated the thread a 5. I always enjoy your threads and find them very informative! :thumbsup:

cinealma
03-22-2007, 11:48 PM
Norm:

I wanted to come clean and say, hey, I rated your thread zero stars. I understand what you are trying to do, but I just don't get why you're going to waste your time shooting a music video for some old 80's band. I have to admit, Terri Nunn was smokin' hot once. But what the heck do they have to do with spying and stuff?

Ted Arabian
03-23-2007, 05:38 AM
I don't understand why these threads are even rated. To me, the content speaks for itself.

BUT! I will say that I do understand your concern, Norm. Obviously if someone took the time to rate your thread a "1 star" then they must have a reason... and I think that I would want to know as well. Your thread is certainly one of the most informational threads going right now and I feel that the content is worth reading. (Except for that comment about blodd spewing from Rebecca's nose... I could have lived without that! :) )

I hope that whoever took the time to rate your thread as a meager attempt DOES step forward and explain. It is the only right thing to do. Because if you feel strongly enough to rate it, you should feel strong enough to stand by it.

Jack Daniel Stanley
03-23-2007, 07:52 AM
Or someone is just a jealous dork and acts like a child and rates a thread a 1 or 0 because they are frustrated that their film or thread isn't getting much attention.

I think people might think such-and-such thread is just a big chat and has no hard information, and down rate the thread, but I don't think there are people out there weighing the pros and cons of a thread and then feeling strongly about something and down rating it.

I also think most people, myself included, don't have much of a specific or weighed opinion when they 5 star a thread. It's usually more like "so-and-so is a cool guy and I want to support them" vs. "let's see, there's lots of good hard information here about filmmaking, or inspiring personal stories about filmmaking, etc."

Mark Harris
03-23-2007, 08:05 AM
Norm, you seriously have too much time on your hands if you even care. Besides, how do you know someone rated it one star? Is there some thing in there that tells you?

Jack Daniel Stanley
03-23-2007, 08:15 AM
because there are so few votes
I just knocked the overall rating back up to 5 stars with a single vote

Charli
03-23-2007, 08:42 AM
Let Rebecca live! Let Rebecca live! I'm starting a new campaign.

Norm Sanders
03-23-2007, 09:32 AM
Lol, thanks guys (especially those who cared so much to try & help us get back up to a '5' ... sniff *wipes eyes*). :)

I hear you, Mark ... I probably DO have too much time ... shoot, just look at how many posts I have & you could figure that one out. I'd probably wager to say that most of us actually don't have too much time, but somehow find a way to squeeze DVXuser into it anyway ... call it the addiction.

As for the star thing, it was just quick math. We had 3 votes at 5 stars. Suddenly 4 votes at 4 stars. You take the 15 points, hypothetically add 1 more, and you get 16 .. divided by the 4 votes to average 4.0 ... proves someone voted a 1. I plan on doing up a show for Sesame Street using this very example, with a mean (or jealous) little puppet (not sure which one yet, but I'm leaning towards Bert) coming in and rating the Cookie Monster's thread just one cookie ... :grin:

Anywayyyyyyyyy, moving on ....

I finally had a chance to review Rebecca's notes/tweaks yesterday. I discovered that aside from being a naturally talented actress (and working hard on the producing side with me), she's actually got a pretty good knack for writing. I was really impressed with much of what she had changed/tweaked.

I found quite the gem with her! :thumbsup:

I'm home watching two sick boys today, so I'll have plenty of time to finish up the script changes & get it out to Rebecca for review, and then off to a few other folks as well.

Jack Daniel Stanley
03-23-2007, 09:35 AM
Let Rebecca live! Let Rebecca live! I'm starting a new campaign.
:laugh: I can see the T-Shirts now:
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/7195/1174664016.jpg

Norm Sanders
03-23-2007, 09:38 AM
HA! Cool, Jack, she'll love that. :grin: Just in time too, as we're about to change her avatar to something from WSF.

cinealma
03-23-2007, 10:23 AM
Or someone is just a jealous dork and acts like a child and rates a thread a 1 or 0 because they are frustrated that their film or thread isn't getting much attention.


You can't really rate a thread "zero" stars.

And I guess nobody got my 80's band joke. :huh:

I agree with some that the thread rating thing is kind of dumb. I know that it's the board software and not DVXUser. I personally don't pay attention to thread "ratings" in deciding which threads to read or not. I usually look at either the title of the thread or the name of the person who started it.

Jack Daniel Stanley
03-23-2007, 10:29 AM
I got your joke and i wasn't directing my comment at you.

Norm Sanders
03-23-2007, 10:48 AM
John, I knew you were joking ... I just didn't have anything witty & clever to say back first thing in the morning, lol. :beer: Yeah, I'd prefer there not be ratings either (in most cases), as the really important threads usually stay near the top, become stickies, or are pretty easy to find with a quick topical/word search. But since they are there & available, it was more of a principle thing to ask/call the person out to simply explain why they felt the way they did.

Ideally, when the films are available for viewing & judging, people are just as open in the threads then as well ... which this last few fests most have been really great at expressing their thoughts/feelings, both good and bad. It's been helpful & eye opening to know what works, what doesn't, etc. The main reason for these fests; growth as a filmmaker & inspiration to get out there & make things happen.

cinealma
03-23-2007, 11:09 AM
I got your joke and i wasn't directing my comment at you.

No, no, I knew you weren't. I was just correcting your statement. I mean, what do you want from me, I'm a business analyst by day. :grin:


The main reason for these fests; growth as a filmmaker & inspiration to get out there & make things happen.

You said it, brother!

Ted Arabian
03-23-2007, 03:13 PM
John, I got your joke. Didn't you see my rating of it???

Ooops! EDIT.... I forgot to post it! Here you go...

John's Joke : ***** ( "*" = a star!)

PS - I loved Berlin back in the 80's!

Norm Sanders
03-23-2007, 03:19 PM
:embarasse Oh geez, I TOTALL did not get his joke. How lame is that? I knew he was joking, just didn't get the Berlin/80's band tie-in.

Thanks, Ted, for spoon feeding that one to me, lol. :thumbsup:

Ted Arabian
03-23-2007, 03:34 PM
huh? I was talking about Berlin.... in the 80's.... when they had that giant wall. Pretty cool.

No, no.... I'm kidding. I was never a fan of the wall. (please don't get started!)

I am totally talking about the band that Norm is too young to remember! :)

bosindy
03-24-2007, 09:34 AM
Hey Norm,

just spent a little time reading this thread, you gotta earn it to post on this one. How is production going?

I am really looking forward to your film, first Berlin is one of my favorite cities. I spent a crazy week there a couple of years ago. But beyond that, and correct me if I'm wrong, this is a period piece. A lot at stake back then (really the entire 20th century when you think about it) and a great baseline for Drama. good luck with it.

Norm Sanders
03-24-2007, 11:35 AM
Ted, I am NOT that young, lol. I think it was in Jr. High (okay, maybe 6th grade? Can't recall), that they were famous for "99 Red Balloons". In fact, weren't they pretty much a 1-hit-wonder? That's the only song I can remember by them. Around the time of TOP GUN as well ... in fact, maybe why they became famous ... they had a song in there? Okay, fine! I am young, lol.

Bosindy, thanks! I've been to Germany, but not in over 16 years (before the curtain came down), and never made it to Berlin. Was with my HS symphonic band ... we were invited to the World Music Festival in Vienna Austria ... landed in Frankfurt, hit a few other towns on the way to Vienna. Some cool memories as we were over their traveling & performing for 2 weeks ... and the high schoolers were going nuts because you could drink beer there at just age 14!! :grin:

Finished the rewrite of BERLIN last night (about 2am this morning). I'm going to review it one more time for further tweaks (couple of lines/moments I'm not thrilled about yet), and then will get a copy to Rebecca today to review. Looking forward to tonight as she, myself and our spouses hit a killer steak house for dinner in Portland. Going to have fun!

Ted Arabian
03-24-2007, 03:09 PM
oh dear.... you are young!!! :)

NENA did 99 Red Balloons.

Berlin's most popular song (for me) is Metro.

Norm Sanders
03-24-2007, 04:00 PM
Hmph. But "99 Red Balloons" was still performed by a German band, right? That at least makes me close, lol. Kinda?

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-24-2007, 04:17 PM
hey Norm, have you lined up all the extras you want? the shoot is in a month!

Norm Sanders
03-24-2007, 04:34 PM
Sent you a PM regarding that a day or two ago ... did you get it?

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-24-2007, 04:57 PM
Uh, yeah, and I re-forwarded you the contact info for the WW2 reenactor within an hour of your PM

Norm Sanders
03-24-2007, 05:04 PM
Never got it. Resend?

RebeccaD
03-24-2007, 06:51 PM
:laugh: I can see the T-Shirts now:
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/7195/1174664016.jpg

LOL, Jack. That's great. Thanks!

RebeccaD
03-24-2007, 06:52 PM
oh dear.... you are young!!! :)

NENA did 99 Red Balloons.

Berlin's most popular song (for me) is Metro.

OMG! Think, "Take My Breath Away" from the Top Gun soundtrack, silly Norm!!

Shawn Philip Nelson
03-24-2007, 10:05 PM
okay, i confess, I also really liked the Jessica Simpson remake of the song.

Ted Arabian
03-24-2007, 10:53 PM
hee hee... yeah, NENA was a German band.

Didn't mean to call you on that...

:)

-Ted

Ted Arabian
03-24-2007, 11:05 PM
Poor Norm.... took a beating on John's joke.

SOOOO!!!!

How is the script coming along? I would love to see your latest revision. I loved the 2 that I read!

Sure wish that I was nearby... I'd love to assist you guys. What a great film you have in the works.

-Ted

Norm Sanders
03-25-2007, 11:45 AM
Draft is complete. Rebecca didn't get a chance to view it yesterday (but, boy, we sure all had a blast last night!), and will hopefully have a chance to get to it today.

The bigger challenge is going to be getting a solid 6 minute cut out of it, but I've already got ideas of the essential parts that should still all flow together.

Dahopafilms
03-25-2007, 11:47 PM
... but I've already got ideas of the essential parts that should still all flow together.
I object to this cheap and blatant attempt to increase the postings in this thread by overtly introducing the "flow" reference.

Norm Sanders
03-26-2007, 12:25 AM
Lol. I'm not sure if you're referencing how Hudson mentions if a thread has 'flow', or if you're referring to that one where you guys grilled poor Brandon about 'flow'. Not sure I want to know either, lol.

So far, I've rec'd four responses back on this third draft with the new ending, and all four have loved this over the other drafts. Feels good to get off that 50/50 split we had before & have everyone loving the changes we've done on it.

Sent it out to all the crew today, and have a hopeful talent looking at the script now for the male lead role. Assuming they're on board, and the read goes well in a couple of weeks, we'll have our lead. In the meantime, I'll do dead reads (giving zero emotion on my end) with Rebecca so she can get used to not having much to work with. Not that I think who ever we put in the role will be a difficult to work/read off of, but this way she won't be really used to responding to a certain delivery with particular emotions, as well as the fact that any emotion/drama this talent brings to the male role will only improve the mutual performance.

At least it sounds like it'll work in my head ... :) ... this talent most likely won't be around for rehearsals due to their geographic location (will have to fly up here for production). If they don't work out for whatever reason (will know in two+ weeks), and/or I don't find someone else I'm absolutely confident in, then I'll likely play the role. Otherwise, I'm looking for a much smaller part in the script.

Casting players & extras begins this week. Will record the lyrics to the song Herman has already composed/recorded for us in the next week or so as well.

Location scout with Camera/Lighting/Art Department to be held end of this week or first of following week at our main location; Huber's.

tung n' groove photo
03-26-2007, 12:56 PM
Norm,
have you considered looking for vehicles for the external Huber shots?
Some german military and civilian cars in the front would look very cool!


Spending spring break on a scanning electron microscope looking
at teeth at 4000-30000X for research,
tung

Norm Sanders
03-26-2007, 01:17 PM
Norm,
have you considered looking for vehicles for the external Huber shots?
Some german military and civilian cars in the front would look very cool!

Spending spring break on a scanning electron microscope looking
at teeth at 4000-30000X for research,
tung

Now THAT'S what I've always fantasized about doing on MY spring breaks. Lucky! :cheesy:

We have considered it, and it's something that James Eubank has been looking into, but is coming up slim on so far. Last he spoke to me about was perhaps trying to find an old motorcycle with side car. Even that would be GREAT, because we could have a couple of drunk soldiers pull up on it, which would still really help to sell the period/mood.

Last resort will be to see if Steve Armenakis can get his hands n a 3D model of a car & perhaps do most/all of that shot in post, mixed with real exterior of the building. Thankfully we still have four weeks before shooting, but this all has to be figured out & lined up within the next two weeks at the latest ... at least for my comfort level & sanity. :)