View Full Version : Cine D vs Cine V no plain ol Cine Gamma now what to do?
JZalutsky
01-31-2007, 07:27 PM
So I have been shooting on HVXs a bit and I also have owned a dvx for a couple years now...im really used to having plain cine gama which does not raise contrast or try to pull up the blacks with gain so what do you shoot wiht now. is HD norm ok?....I shot a short in Cine D cause I didnt know any better it was all interior low key lighting and there fore the backrounds are a few stops under exposed and they are super noisy because of cine d trying to bring them up. Anyways what do people normally shoot I think Cine V looks to contrasty, and I want to push the latitude of the camera and hopefully not get a ton of noise. Thanks!
-Jake
i shoot cinelike. no dynamic extension, or video contrast, just plain cinelike.
TimurCivan
01-31-2007, 09:14 PM
i like BPRESS on the HVX. ( wink wink, try it... Wink Wink....)
Kholi
01-31-2007, 09:35 PM
^ B.press kicks ass.
ulisses
02-01-2007, 04:29 AM
why the HVX doesn't have a plain cinelike setting like the DVX ? I heard it should be the cinelike D ???
Ulisses
JZalutsky
02-01-2007, 11:43 AM
i shoot cinelike. no dynamic extension, or video contrast, just plain cinelike.
do you read? haha im sorry but this is the whole point of my post...you completly missed it...this is the HVX forum not the DVX. Its in the title for god sakes
why the HVX doesn't have a plain cinelike setting like the DVX ? I heard it should be the cinelike D ???
Ulisses
cine d uses gain to pull up the shadows and add more latitude, I did also state that in my inital post.
Barry?
booth
02-01-2007, 11:55 AM
cine-d uses gain??? Is this a fact? :undecided:shocked:
Barry_Green
02-01-2007, 12:01 PM
Cine-D gets noisier, but no it doesn't appear to use gain. Cine-D is darker than all other gamma curves.
do you read? haha im sorry but this is the whole point of my post...you completly missed it...this is the HVX forum not the DVX. Its in the title for god sakes
cine d uses gain to pull up the shadows and add more latitude, I did also state that in my inital post.
Barry?
do i read? Yes i do, what i would suggest is to make a more coherent post as to state that it does not contain cine like, which you did not make clear. From th eway you wrote it, it sounded like yo uare used to using Cine like and are now choosing something different, not because it lacks it.
"So I have been shooting on HVXs a bit and I also have owned a dvx for a couple years now...im really used to having plain cine gama which does not raise contrast or try to pull up the blacks with gain so what do you shoot wiht now. is HD norm ok?....I shot a short in Cine D cause I didnt know any better it was all interior low key lighting and there fore the backrounds are a few stops under exposed and they are super noisy because of cine d trying to bring them up. Anyways what do people normally shoot I think Cine V looks to contrasty, and I want to push the latitude of the camera and hopefully not get a ton of noise. Thanks!"
TedRR
02-01-2007, 03:21 PM
Personally, I like the Cine V look.
Cine D is too flat for my liking.
It's all about personal preference I guess.
Green Hornet
02-01-2007, 04:47 PM
I like Cine V with a slight increase in shutter timing around 222
DavidBeier
02-01-2007, 05:03 PM
Apparently no one will ever know why plain old Cinelike wasn't included with the HVX200 (untill the HVX200A is released with it an we all scowl).
Anyway, I disgree that Cinelike V is too contrasty. It can look quite amazing and I believe it only costs you about 1/3 stops of lattitude. Personally, I only use Cine-D when I'm shooting in harsh sunlight or some other situation where I absolutly need all the latitude I can get. Most other situations I go with Cine-V.
TimurCivan
02-01-2007, 05:52 PM
Bpress.
I stick by it.
JZalutsky
02-01-2007, 06:35 PM
Cine-D gets noisier, but no it doesn't appear to use gain. Cine-D is darker than all other gamma curves.
I guess its diffrent on the HVX then cause on the DVX it would pump the exposure signifcantly....but noise is noise....whether its from gain or not.
I guess I will try out cine v a bit more.
Lenilenapi
02-02-2007, 12:20 AM
HD Norm is a good standard reliable setting.
Cine V is very contrasty as is Black press.
Cine D is closest to plain old Cinelook in the DVX but it requires that you increase sat and lower black a bit to get it right, It does require a biut more light.
Christopher Barry
02-02-2007, 01:37 AM
I recently shot my first few HVX tests, using Cine-D because of the Dynamic range, then cringed looking at it in post - Noise. Subsequently, did some further tests with a better monitor on set, B-Press seemed to have the least noise, imo. :D
booth
02-02-2007, 05:18 PM
On a shoot at the moment and tried to eliminate the noise by using Cine-V and found it to be very contrasty and to be honest you could get the same effect by shooting in Cine-D and crushing the blacks in post. Still thought the image was noisy.
Then took some words of advice from this thread and shot Cine-D with B.Press. It was the best result we'd managed so far. If anyone knows how to limit the noise even more do tell ;)
Gotta say under the same lighting conditions we also had a Sony V1... No noise at all on standard settings, but jaggies!
TimurCivan
02-02-2007, 05:20 PM
Bpress!!!!!
The gang has arrived.
Kholi
02-02-2007, 05:24 PM
B.press Crew For Life!
TimurCivan
02-02-2007, 05:58 PM
Dont make me Core your Detials!!!!!!
booth
02-03-2007, 09:49 AM
Any other refinements to make the grain disappear?
Barry_Green
02-03-2007, 11:52 AM
Detail down, coring up, chroma level down, b. press or cine-V, and get a wide range of exposure. Look at a waveform -- if all your video is bunched down under 30 ire, it's going to look noisy and nasty. Have a full spread of dynamic range in each shot, get some highlights in there and it'll clean up nicely.
filmtovideo
02-04-2007, 09:06 AM
On a shoot at the moment and tried to eliminate the noise by using Cine-V and found it to be very contrasty and to be honest you could get the same effect by shooting in Cine-D and crushing the blacks in post. Still thought the image was noisy.
Then took some words of advice from this thread and shot Cine-D with B.Press. It was the best result we'd managed so far. If anyone knows how to limit the noise even more do tell ;)
Gotta say under the same lighting conditions we also had a Sony V1... No noise at all on standard settings, but jaggies!
" shot Cine-D with B.Press." I'm confused. I thought that Cine-D
and B.Press are two separate settings on the dial wheel on the back of
the
camera and thus an either/or situation? How can you shoot with both?
Thanks.
Also, I can see Cine-D or Flo. for example but what kind of a name is
B-Press?
booth
02-07-2007, 07:58 AM
Sorry, was thinking out loud there! Cine-D is default scene file 6 on the HVX, we changed it to B.Press but we always used to refer to scene file 6 as Cine-D... So what I meant was we had it on scene file 6 with black press (doh!). We switched to B.Press in the menus.