from AVID back to P2, possible?

[c3kings]

Dear All,
I am using Avid Xpro HD for editing, and I am wondering if it is possible to "export" back the final MXF file back to P2 card for viewing.
Thank in advance.
King

[eLeventy]

Yep, 2 possibilities:

-'Print-to-Tape' over firewire, using digital cut.

-TransferToP2: A tool that lets you export an Avid sequence directly to a P2 card. It's a bit tricky to install, but once it's up and running, it's quit easy.
http://ingex.sourceforge.net/TransferToP2.html

[Arson]

Raylight has an mxf/p2 builder so you can take edited footage and put it on a p2 card to play back from the camera.
www.dvfilm.com (http://www.dvfilm.com)

[c3kings]

Yep, 2 possibilities:

-'Print-to-Tape' over firewire, using digital cut.

-TransferToP2: A tool that lets you export an Avid sequence directly to a P2 card. It's a bit tricky to install, but once it's up and running, it's quit easy.
http://ingex.sourceforge.net/TransferToP2.html

eLevnety, I tried to use Digital Cut in Avid, but it didn't work. How should I set my HVX in order to make Digital Cut work?

Also, the format is another problem, which you helped me out in another forum.

I shot at 1080/25p, but chose 1080/50i in Avid for editing. Yes, it doesn't show any wanring message. However, when I tried to do the Digital Cut, Avid asked me to transcode, but at the end the transcode was successful anyway, so I just couldn't do any Digital Cut.

Then I opened another project and chose 1080/25p as the format. When I chose Digtal Cut, it doesn't ask me to transcode. Yet, I cannot dub it back to the P2 card. Can I really just use Digital Cut to transfer back the file to P2 card from Avid?

Thanks.

King

[c3kings]

Yep, 2 possibilities:

-'Print-to-Tape' over firewire, using digital cut.

-TransferToP2: A tool that lets you export an Avid sequence directly to a P2 card. It's a bit tricky to install, but once it's up and running, it's quit easy.
http://ingex.sourceforge.net/TransferToP2.html

I found an article from Avid:
http://www.avid.com/resources/whitepapers/Q2_06_hdcameras.pdf?dm=forums
On page 5, it says, "'Writeback' to P2 card is planned to futrue release." It seems to me that digital cut back to P2 card is actually not yet possible, or it has been released, but I just don't update my version yet, which is 5.2.4.

Any Avid Xpress Pro HD expert can comment on it, please?

[cre8tive]

It is indeed planned for future Avid products. Should be a great feature when we get it.

Regards,

Cre8tive

[c3kings]

eLeventy,

Now that I have read a lot of information from Avid, I tend to believe that Digital Cut to P2 card from Avid Xpress Pro HD is not possible. The only thing that is possible by using Digital Cut for DVCPRO HD format is to tape, that is, a DVCPRO HD deck is required.

Even for Sony HDV format, in other words, going to a DV tape, it cannot just use Digital Cut directly as the way we always use in DV fomat; it involve some kind of "tricks."

I am still not 100% sure if my understanding is right yet. If I am wrong, pleaes correct me.

Actually, the main reason for me to have footage putting back to P2 card for viewing is because I am not sure what format I should choose in Avid Xpress Pro.

I shot 1080/25p, but in Avid, there is only either 1080p/25 or 1080/50i for me to choose.

I read the Avid manual, and it says that 1080p/25 is something for film originated material. In fact, when I choose it, it has a warning message all the time.

When I choose 1080/50i, there is no warning message any more. However, why it becomes interlace project now? Will I lose that progressive "film look" at the end?

Yes, I know HVX is actually something "25p over 1080i," but what does it mean? Am I really shooting progressive then?

That's why I want to try both Avid formats, namely, 1080p/25 and 1080/50i, and export something back to the P2 card for viewing and comparing. However, it seems quite difficult.

Any suggestions and inputs.

Thanks.

King

PS. Yes, eLeventy, let me try your another option by using TransferToP2.

[eLeventy]

-First of all, to put your mind at rest: if you shot in 1080/p25, no matter what you do, you will NEVER loose that progressive film look: interlace artifacts ( jagged horizontal edges) are a result of timing differences at CCD recording level. No matter what you do afterwards, you won't get jagged edges, no matter how hard you try. Not that you would want to anyway.

-Getting stuff back to P2 cards. I personally have never tried going back to a card over firewire, because we don't have the need to do it. What we have done succesfully, and use quit often, is using the TransferToP2 method. But, then aqain, we only use it for SD Pal. We never tried DVCproHD. It is stated to work for DV50, but we've used is succesfully for DV25, although there is a bug: PAL DV 420 material is flagged as DVCpro25 411 material. So, there is a good chance it will work for DVCproHD.

[Barry_Green]

Yes you're really shooting progressive.

And you can "print to video" back to the card. Not the most elegant solution, but it works, especially for 1080 footage. Becomes a little more problematical in 720 because you can't transfer 720pN over firewire. But it works. Print to the firewire, put the camera in the appropriate recording mode to capture that firewire stream, put it in MCR mode and turn off the thumbnails. Then press the gray & red RECORD buttons above the menu navigation buttons, and it'll capture the incoming stream and record it on your cards.

[c3kings]

Yes you're really shooting progressive.

And you can "print to video" back to the card. Not the most elegant solution, but it works, especially for 1080 footage. Becomes a little more problematical in 720 because you can't transfer 720pN over firewire. But it works. Print to the firewire, put the camera in the appropriate recording mode to capture that firewire stream, put it in MCR mode and turn off the thumbnails. Then press the gray & red RECORD buttons above the menu navigation buttons, and it'll capture the incoming stream and record it on your cards.

Ah, I see. That's great!
So, the stream means the playback from Avid. Am I correct?
Thanks.
King

[c3kings]

Yes you're really shooting progressive.

And you can "print to video" back to the card. Not the most elegant solution, but it works, especially for 1080 footage. Becomes a little more problematical in 720 because you can't transfer 720pN over firewire. But it works. Print to the firewire, put the camera in the appropriate recording mode to capture that firewire stream, put it in MCR mode and turn off the thumbnails. Then press the gray & red RECORD buttons above the menu navigation buttons, and it'll capture the incoming stream and record it on your cards.

Barry, somehow, it doesn't work with me. I set the camera to MCR mode and truned off the thumbnail. Then I played the timeline. However, I couldn't see anything on the camera LCD monitor. If I pressed down the gray and red buttons, it just had no response.
I have a feeling that I may be missing what you said about putting the camera in the "appropriate recording mode."
By the way, yes, I did checked with Avid and HVX both setting to 1080.
Please help.
Thanks.
King

[Barry_Green]

I've done it, so I know it works, but I haven't used Avid in a long time, so I'll defer to DC or Brandon Rice or MichaelP to elucidate the exact steps.

[spidey]

Yes you're really shooting progressive.

And you can "print to video" back to the card. Not the most elegant solution, but it works, especially for 1080 footage. Becomes a little more problematical in 720 because you can't transfer 720pN over firewire. But it works. Print to the firewire, put the camera in the appropriate recording mode to capture that firewire stream, put it in MCR mode and turn off the thumbnails. Then press the gray & red RECORD buttons above the menu navigation buttons, and it'll capture the incoming stream and record it on your cards.


all i do is transfer through fire wire with 720 pn.