NEW VIDEO!!! Bus Video 1080p clip online REDCODE

[Jarred Land]

Here you guys go.. finally a 1080p clip from the exterior bus sequence is up, and Redcode to boot. This is part of the sequence shown at the LA screening.

Http://www.dvxuser4.com/red/milkgirls1080.zip

And through torrent on the Red site:
http://red.com/gallery-video.htm

mikko mirror : http://red.mikkowilson.com (http://red.mikkowilson.com/)


This was 4.9k redcode, scaled to 2k, then 1080p quicktime.

As usual, you guys with mirrors are much appreciated.

[Emanuel]

What a gorgeous christmas eve gift! :dankk2: to both!

[boothba]

Now we're talkin...
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Just finished downloading. Very nice. So strange not seeing film-weave in the BG. Kudos all.

[jrv3034]

Holy crap! That looks unbelievable!

[Anders Holck]

Very nice. Stunningly clean.
And very nice rescale and compression, especially compared to the old clips.

For downloaders note that the Photo Jpeg Codec of the quicktime is 4:2:2, so the aliasing in the stronger colors are caused by this.

[Jarred Land]

yeah thanks for pointing that out Anders.. specially if you dont view it in its 1:1 scale.

[Poi Boy]

Yup.. my camera definately goes to 11.
Aloha
-A

[Brook Willard]

[freaks the hell out]

What's there to say? It's gorgeous. Great job with squishing it to 8-bit... very nicely done.

It's like having the screening right here on my desktop.

To expand upon what Anders said, any visible compression is due to the JPEG compression. If you want to see what I'm talking about, double the resolution and check out the artifacting around the left girl's head. That is obviously not a result of REDCODE.

This is great - I've been waiting for a 1080p video to play with for ages. Thanks guys.

[Justin_Kirch]

DLing now.........MUAHAHAH!!!

[Rocketeer]

Just viewed it on the G5, HP2335 LCD native res, what the hell was that?!
Pushes play (again)

Note to self: Do not misplace Titanium R's.

[imgentertainment@mac]

i don't really know what to say.. All I can say is that in a compressed format and at 1080P.. The Motion is smooth and there is no artifacting. WOW. That is some of the best compressed footage I think I have ever seen. Good Work guys good work.

[Jarred Land]

thanks man :) took me awhile but it turned out pretty good.

[filmmaker1977]

now maybe you can disclose who did provide the catering?.. you don't need to answer.. even you jim.. but next shooting day with such gals, i want to be there..

and please don't ask me what i'll be doing there.. i'll never confess.. :) :)

[pretopost]

Dloading NOW!!! Thank YOU!

[sean90291]

I downloaded the file to my PC laptop, but couldn't get it to play back without a serious stutter. I'm assuming that's my playback issue of such a large file and not the footage itself?

[Brook Willard]

I expect that your computer isn't fast enough to play the file.

[pretopost]

WHY DO I NOT HAVE A RESERVATION!?!?!?!?!

Jim congrats...STUNNING!

[insanityfw]

WHY DO I NOT HAVE A RESERVATION!?!?!?!?!

Jim congrats...STUNNING!
Daniel. Stay in touch. I'm working like a madman to get my pennies saved up in time. Should be good to go by the time my number comes up...and I could use a good HVX rental rate in the meantime. :)

That footage is exactly what I needed to see. Still need to see more test of the dynamic range, but this clip alone has me optimistic that the sensor will be able to do great things.

Did anybody notice the single strands of hair completely separated from the background?

J.

PS-I'm East of Phoenix.

[imgentertainment@mac]

Well the question now is how viable an option will REDCODE be as a deliverable codec format. I don't think, I have seen a codec that holds up this good. of corse thats just the imprecision for now. So why not use the codec for more then just footage captured on the RED ONE... I could see using it for archive, delivery and post work flow for all production footage. Now I know that this is probably what it is designed for all along. But now with seeing footage using it. It is becoming more and more of the reality.

[Holosynthetic]

besides the sun, were there any other sources of light cast on the girls?

[Jannard]

besides the sun, were there any other sources of light cast on the girls?

yes...

Jim

[insanityfw]

yes...

Jim

You're such a tease......Hey, wait a second, aren't you supposed to be locked in the basement doing mad-scientist things and putting Frankie together?
Less typing. More bleeding-edge work. :)

[firewallet]

Although I have not seen the footage yet... I would gather the usual cast of characters for outdoor shoots---Mombo combos, butterflys, silks (rags),hmis,hard reflectors, butterfly with white(black side down) banded camlok, etc .....-- the usual 3-ton grip/electric....

How is Spike coming along Jim?

[Jannard]

hehe... I guess you are right. Back to the grindstone.

Jim

[Jannard]

I think it was a 2k and a reflector...

Spike is close. We are dialated and fully effaced...

Jim

[firewallet]

I think it was a 2k and a reflector...

Jim

I love it. Seriously, my back thanks you. I hate banded...

Spike is close. We are dialated and fully effaced...

Brilliant. I cannot wait. Jim you have no idea what this camera means to me and the projects that are already forming because of it.

[Jarred Land]

We had a joker providing some sidelight and 2 large 4x4 foil reflectors in the background for some rimlight.

[Jason Ramsey]

Hey Jarred,
I'll host this as well if you want. But my upload speed is just as sloowwwww as it gets. And I'm gonna be in dial-up land for the next couple of days. I've got ftp access to the subdomain I am hosting the other red files. If you want someone to share the load, and you don't mind ftp'in it onto my site, I'll be glad to. Just let me know.

Jason

[insanityfw]

I think it was a 2k and a reflector...

Spike is close. We are dialated and fully effaced...

Jim

Having a five-month pregnant wife around, this statement should not be technical to me, but all I can think of is the camera. :) I hope the camera and baby come out just fine. Both are due at the same time of the year. :)

I have been worrying about what to get my wife as a baby-gift....and now I've got it all figured out. I can etch my baby-girls name and birthdate on the bottom of the camera. What an heirloom.

[Jannard]

We'll laser engrave it for you...

Jim

[insanityfw]

We'll laser engrave it for you...

Jim


I can't wait. :)

[firewallet]

Thanks Jarred for the bts shot. Right now I only have access to dial up and I have not seen the footage yet. It is very encouraging that you guys achieved these results(from photo) without the 3 ton g/e. Great stuff...

Jim the laser etching for insanityfw is a very cool gesture.

[tonacidigital]

I threw the footage in final cut just now..and exported an h264 compressed down to 720p..it STILL looked incredible..and the total file size is under 9 megs.

[Bro Anansi]

Jim, you are a visionary and a revolutionary. My hat is off to you and the RED team.

Somebody nominate this man for an Academy Award now! Sooner or later there's going to be an Oscar sitting on his mantle place for the creation of this soon to be Redvolutionary film making tool; so they might as well put his name in now.
It's inevitable.

Go ahead call me a homer, but you can book it.

Ian Sun
Anansi Moving Images
RED One 1073
RED One 1080p+++

[macgregor]

Somebody was smoking there, uhmmm.
What quality of photo JPEG was this? 75%? 90%?

[tlorenzo]

Seeing that made me fall off my chair. Amazing!

[earthling]

The images look great, but how about a liittle constructive criticism, or rather just a question. Isn't there some motion artifacting (maybe not the right term) near the end of the shot on the girl on the right ? The motion looks strange to me, kind of jerky when she moves fast. Why is that ?

Cheers,
Damien

[mikkowilson]

Downloading now, mirror up soon as normal.

- Mikko

[Darkline]

Seeing stills is one thing, but when you see moving footage like this..... stunning.

My Dual Core cannot even play this back smoothly and it's only half size...... wow.

Also this was shot with Frankie and in the other thread they are saying they have 11 stops of lattitude out of the sensor now (maybe 8.5 for this shot). It's hard to beleive this could look any better, but I guess it can. What will it take to play back 4K smoothly I wonder?

I'm very, very impressed.

[mikkowilson]

"milkgirls1080.mov" added to my Mirror: http://red.mikkowilson.com (http://red.mikkowilson.com)


- Mikko

[Anders Holck]

Somebody was smoking there, uhmmm.
What quality of photo JPEG was this? 75%? 90%?

Around 90% according to the datarate

[kyrre]

Amazing! Simply amazing!

[onetrackmind]

earthling-bring it into ae or a similar program, and do a ram preview..smooth playback

[saru]

My desktop picture has been the milkgirls quite a while and when I first played this 1080p footage I thought I was kind of hallucinated - those two girls had been standstill and suddenly came to life ! It's something I'd never seen before for sure.
Hats off to Jim and his team !!

[Digigenic]

Impressive.

[boothba]

... most impressive...

[Erik Olson]

Thanks for getting this up online. Do we need to be on bittorrent to help mirror it or merely host it with a link?

e

[agwah]

http://cougar.eb.com/soundc11/h/hoorah01.wav

[Jarred Land]

Around 90% according to the datarate

I actually set it at 75%.. not to save disk space, but to make the bitrate low enough for it to run on peoples systems.

As good as this footage looks.. its nowhere near as good as it looks in its full 4k originaly state.. Again, its still odd for me to hafta down rez things TWICE to get to 1080p :)

[jrv3034]

... most impressive...
Obi Wan has taught them well...

Yeah, seriously Jarred. Shrinking down the image twice just to get it down to the size Star Wars III was captured in. Mind-blowing.

[lpcvideo1]

Shrinking down the image twice just to get it down to the size Star Wars III was captured in. Mind-blowing.

WOW. All this talk about 4k for so long, actually playing this downsized twice on my monitor makes me realize how much I am taking all this for granted. This is . . . *we're running out of adjectives to use, here*--uhm . . . Chocolatey!

[Jarred Land]

Thanks for getting this up online. Do we need to be on bittorrent to help mirror it or merely host it with a link?

e

host it with a link.. just the movie file, the torrent is all messed up.

thanks man!

[Emanuel]

Jim you have no idea what this camera means to me and the projects that are already forming because of it.Exactly... And the partnerships that are already forming 'cause of it (RED & dvxuser.com), right Andrew? ;-) :happy:

[firewallet]

Exactly... And the partnerships that are already forming 'cause of it (RED & dvxuser.com), right Andrew? ;-) :happy:

That's right Emanuel! The facts of content production flexibilty are not lost on me. Before RED, I was looking at three seperate camera systems to produce the various things I wanted too for broadcast (as I have in the past--but complete ownership for me was key-- and those were big numbers). But to have a system that allows me to move seamlessly (and control internal costs without sacrificing quality) from indie film, broadcast tv, commercial/promo, corporate, community service promo depending how the camera is set up, need for crew and storytelling is incredibly powerful. The relationships with like minded, talented content producers (filmmakers) will prove to be even more powerful, organic -- and profitable in many respects.

Cheers-- Andrew

Ps- E, I may something we can work out together... but I have an edit to get back to...

[earthling]

earthling-bring it into ae or a similar program, and do a ram preview..smooth playback

I'm not having any playback problems. The footage is beautiful, plays back fine on my dual G5 2GHz with a Dell 24", i'm just talking about near the end of the shot, the girl on the right moves quickly back and forth. Particularly while she's moving forward, her movements appear somewhat stuttery (is that a word?). Is no one else seeing this ?

Don't get me wrong. I'm rooting for this cam, I've got a reservation in, but I must say all these ooohs and aaahs are kind of tiring, and not constructive. I'm not saying theses images don't look great, but let's try and analyse them, what are we seeing here ? Apart from beautiful girls, awesome shallow DOF, wonderful color rendition, nice latitude (although you can't judge the range from this kind of shot), I'm seeing some... well, some odd motion rendering. This could be due to the resizing, hi shutter speed, something else?

Anyhow, how are the test cams coming along? I'm looking forward to seeing footage from one of those, hopefully some 4k footage.

Cheers,
Damien

[Rocketeer]

I'm not having any playback problems. The footage is beautiful, plays back fine on my dual G5 2GHz with a Dell 24", i'm just talking about near the end of the shot, the girl on the right moves quickly back and forth. Particularly while she's moving forward, her movements appear somewhat stuttery (is that a word?). Is no one else seeing this ?


Yes we see the same effect. G5 2.7GHz with a HP 23" 2335 LCD.
A stutter or jitter effect in her movement near the end of the clip.
Is it Quicktime, compression, Redcode, the camera, the shutter speed?

I'm not overly concerned. I see this clip as a sample of the potential of the camera and I'm more than happy with the potential being shown.

[Brook Willard]

The motion rendering is a result of the compression. A motion blur will lose a lot of its "natural look" when compressed from 4:4:4 to 4:2:2, particularly with vibrant colors like her bandana. Pause the movie on a frame with lots of motion and blow the movie up to 200% to see what I'm talking about.

[freezer]

For all PC users having trouble to smoothly playback this quicktime file:
I had the same stuttering on my Core2Duo with the quicktime player.
But you can try to use the http://www.free-codecs.com/download/QuickTime_Alternative.htm
It can be installed parallel to an existing quicktime without troubles - just choose to install it anyway without installing quicktime first.

Then start the player and go to -> view -> options -> playback -> output and set Quicktime Video to "DirectX 7" or if that doesn't work to "DirectX 9". Tick the checkbox for "Lock back-buffer..."

That should do the trick and you get a smooth playback because now the overlay mode of your graphic card is used.

If you are watching it on a TFT like I do, remember that you are watching a 24fps movie on a screen with 60 Hz which won't lead to a smooth playback anyway. On a CRT you could switch to 72 Hz which should give you a perfect playback.

[insanityfw]

Usually I have my share of tech issue with my computers, but this clip plays very smooth on both my new macbook pro (not duo core) and my old dual 2.0 powermac. Smooth like butta.

Hey for once I'm not the one with issues. Yippie.

[Kholi]

L O L. Downrezzing TWICE to get to 1080p. Not a single touch of noise. Motion is fine playing back on my Monitor AND my HDTV in 1080i and 720p. LOOK AT THE COLOR RED IN THAT BANDANA! L O O O L OL OL I'm hysterical with laughter.

And then, the announcement of the mini-Raid in the other thread.

Wow. The Red Team is destroying every cam manufacturer.

Thanks for sharing.

[dpdave73]

The footage looks phenomenal!!! I've played it both on my G5 with 23" Cinema Display and my 15" G4 PowerBook and it looks great on both. Of course I can't see the entire image on my PowerBook, it's too big. (I wont mention my opinion of PCs.)

I've also posted the footage (and other clips and stills) on my web site for the viewing. http://cinemagraphica.com/Red/

Red, it'll change the way we do what we love.

[Nick_Shaw]

On the subject of the 'stutter' people have previously referred to, I am currently in my edit suite looking at the footage variously on a Panasonic 17" CRT HD-SDI broadcast monitor, a 23" Apple Cinema Display, and a 37" consumer LCD HDTV, and I have to say it looks great on all of them. The only stutter I can see is exactly what I'd expect from a trully film-like progressive image.

This 'imperfection' of film is what we all spend huge amounts of time and effort trying to emulate with video originated footage. Now it's there for real people are complaining!

I've cut the footage up against some Super 16 and Super 35 originated shots I have in my system, and the stutter on all three is very comparable.

If anybody else is seeing something different to what I'm seeing, please point it out to me.

Nick

[AuditoryVisuals]

I think the stutter that I'm seeing is because of my 64MB graphics card or 512MBs of RAM...

[RndmAxess]

Yeah but how is the audio? **Just joking***!!!

Holy smokes! all kidding aside, when do the next pre-order reservations become available?

[Rocketeer]

On the subject of the 'stutter' people have previously referred to, I am currently in my edit suite looking at the footage variously on a Panasonic 17" CRT HD-SDI broadcast monitor, a 23" Apple Cinema Display, and a 37" consumer LCD HDTV, and I have to say it looks great on all of them. The only stutter I can see is exactly what I'd expect from a trully film-like progressive image.

This 'imperfection' of film is what we all spend huge amounts of time and effort trying to emulate with video originated footage. Now it's there for real people are complaining!

I've cut the footage up against some Super 16 and Super 35 originated shots I have in my system, and the stutter on all three is very comparable.

If anybody else is seeing something different to what I'm seeing, please point it out to me.

Nick


Nick, you are in the enviable position of having access to film originated shots to compare to. I'm not complaining, I'm just looking for an explanation. It could be as simple as not being in tune with the progressive stutter and being to close to the screen, or something going on with the compression of the clip. I'm open to all opinions.

[Kaz]

I took the .mov and re-encoded to a high bitrate HD mpeg in Vegas, put it on an ultra III compact flash card to play from my PS3 then projected it in 1080p to a 110" screen.

WOW.

It's weird though, blown up it looks like a green screen shot...

[acehole111]

Tis the holiday season and How the $#$@! did I miss this??

Wawaweewaa. Im in love.

[_MR_]

It's weird though, blown up it looks like a green screen shot...

With the Motion JPEG compression detecting that the background isn't moving (much) it's compressed it to be a relatively non-moving object, or more like a still picture, which makes the foreground action appear detatched or alien to the location behind.

[MikeCurtis]

Jarred - I have this dim ghostly memory of PhotoJPEG codec - 75% is the threshold at which is does or is about to go to 4:4:4 from 4:2:2 or something like that - it is a threshold setting if I recall correctly. Anybody confirm or can test? What is you kick it out at 76%?

[villeluna]

not till Photojpeg go to 100% it convert to 4:4:4

[Nick_Shaw]

With the Motion JPEG compression detecting that the background isn't moving (much) it's compressed it to be a relatively non-moving object, or more like a still picture, which makes the foreground action appear detatched or alien to the location behind.

Motion JPEG is an intra-frame compression format (effectively pretty similar to I-frame only MPEG-2) and as such should not be affected by whether part of the picture is moving or not.

Kaz, the MPEG that you made of course is inter-frame compressed, and therefore this could be causing the 'chromakey look' which you are describing.

As I understand it (and anybody please jump in if I am wrong here) Motion JPEG is a variant of JPEG intended for dealing with interlaced footage. I'm therefore a bit confused as to why the footage has been compressed with this rather than ordinary JPEG. I would also prefer to have JPEG for selfish reasons in that it would play back without the need for conversion in FCP via my Decklink HD Pro card.

Nick

[Nick_Shaw]

Jarred - I have this dim ghostly memory of PhotoJPEG codec - 75% is the threshold at which is does or is about to go to 4:4:4 from 4:2:2 or something like that

I had the same memory, and I thought I read it in some Decklink documentation. A bit of searching, and I found this:

http://www.decklink.com/support/detail.asp?techID=29

That certainly implies that 76% would do it!

Jarred, are you in a position to post a new version?

Nick

[theworks]

May GOD be with everybody with a reservation... I hope everything works out when your # is called.... BUT IF NOT... LET ME KNOW $$$$!!! I'm sure if it came to tat for a reservation holder it won't be nice, but one can take comfort in the fact that i'm not just jump"n on the waggon, I just didn't have the info before the time expired.... OR, RED GUYS, OPEN THE RESERVATIONS BACK UP FOR A FEW MORE!!!!!!

[Pro Gressive]

How is everyone going playing this file back smoothly? There has been talk about chip speeds but what i have found is its just as important as having alot of ram! If you have a conroe it will play fine as long as you have 2gb of ram....

[Pro Gressive]

PS: Footage is AMAZING, more! more! more! "Arrrrrrooooooooooooooo" :)

[jrv3034]

How is everyone going playing this file back smoothly? There has been talk about chip speeds but what i have found is its just as important as having alot of ram! If you have a conroe it will play fine as long as you have 2gb of ram....
Well, it's playing back perfectly on my 3 year old Dual 2GHz G5 (Rev. A) Power Mac with only 1GB of RAM. Smooth as butter on Quicktime Pro.

[Emanuel]

RED GUYS, OPEN THE RESERVATIONS BACK UP FOR A FEW MORE!!!!!!They will, they will. Wait for the next February/March...maximum April: Jim's own words.

(...) I'd wait until we start taking orders again in Feb or March. (...) there is no crime in waiting.

Jimhttp://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=745977&postcount=3


All details will unfold the next few months... no new orders will be taken until next year (maybe March or April).

Jimhttp://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=752831&postcount=2

[PaPa]

i... dont know what to say

that was compressed, 1080, not even 2 k, not even 4 k
but holly FUCKING HELL does thatl ook AMAZING!!!!!!!!!

makes my dvx look shameful...

[sponester]

Just wanted to post some color correction that i did with the footage.
I'm confused to why they would post a flat non saturated image of from the camera.
just my opinion.

Here you go.

http://www.f19productions.com/movies/milkgirlsCC.tiff

Sponester

[Clint Johnson]

Just wanted to post some color correction that i did with the footage.
I'm confused to why they would post a flat non saturated image of from the camera.
just my opinion.

Sponester

That is clean footage with a relatively wide dynamic range... so it can be pushed and pulled in any direction in post. The correcting you did pushed it way to far into the red for my tastes and I would have sharpened it more... and with that footage we both can take it where we want. If the look hasn't been finalized before principal photography starts then what we see here is pretty much what I'll be setting the camera to capture.

[sponester]

Clint,
I agree the reds are a little much, just wanted to see what it could handle.

what type of sharpening filters do you use and what software do you do it with.

sponester

[Zig_Zigman]

Finally. A portable digital cam that's good enough for the big screen.

Now Graeme, how much computing horsepower do I need?

[Brook Willard]

Now Graeme, how much computing horsepower do I need?
It's been discussed. A top of the line Mac Pro or a comparable PeeCee with plenty of RAM and tons of storage should do the trick... at least that's what it seems like at this point. We'll know for sure in due time.

[Rob Lohman]

As indicated before the system requirements and performance measurements will be made available when we have them. Until all the measurement is done we just don't know yet.

[ProLost]

Hello all,

I took a stab at grading the footage using Colorista (http://prolost.blogspot.com/2006/12/why-colorista.html), using only presets.

rebelsguide.com/dl/colorista_milkgirls.mp4 (http://rebelsguide.com/dl/colorista_milkgirls.mp4)

Even compressed, the footage hold up under color corrections quite well!

-Stu

[rgdfilms]

What the hell am I watching?!?! This is amazing..

[rgdfilms]

http://richard-darge.com/milkred.mov

[Emanuel]

Very nice indeed. Even submitted to high(er) compression.

[PaPa]

god damn, i need me a RED camera...
but jeez, by the time i can afford it, it will mean a whole new editing system that can support 4K... jeez, what to do.....

[Drew Ott]

That video is sick. There is literally nothing I can see wrong with it.

[Rob Lohman]

god damn, i need me a RED camera...
but jeez, by the time i can afford it, it will mean a whole new editing system that can support 4K... jeez, what to do.....

Why? You do not have to record 4K. That is an *option*. With S16 lenses you can also record 2K RAW or in all cases go down to 1080 / 720 RGB.

Or if you must have a 4K digital negative then load the footage up into REDCINE and spit out a lower resolution version to work on.

Then if you ever need to go out to film or a 4K digital projector you can grab the original negative. Obviously any color processing & effects and so on need to be re-applied at that point in time.

[Aculag]

How much work is it to downconvert from 4K to something "reasonable", like 1080?

[Rob Lohman]

If you mean "work" as in "work you have to do" then little if you use REDCINE. If you mean "how long it'll take to convert" you'll have to wait for those numbers. We are still optimizing and running tests ourselves.

[Aculag]

Okay. Yeah, I guess it's still a bit early to be asking questions like that. Heh.