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Car3o

12-01-2006, 12:14 PM

Hello all. Since no one took up my offer to buy a light shaping diffuser from Edmund I ventured out and thought I would see how I could obtain one without paying any money. So thanks man. But in all, that was a great thing. I spent a lot of time asking for samples and never was I able to get a hold of one because they still charged money. Bastards. That's okay to. I then googled up Holographic Diffusers. And that changed it all. There was an article about a company who makes these and just so happens they went into great detail just exactly what Holographic Diffusers are for. Just so happens they are in every lcd screen there is. Nice. 40% of the market used for Holographic Diffusers are in cell phones. I have like 30 cell phones that break every other month and thought what the eff. I took one apart and low and behold there it was $150.00 Holographic Diffuser. Now I have no idea what angle this is, but I did some bokeh tests and they turned out great. The light loss is incredible. I will have screen caps of this later with more available shots. Yes the grain is awful, and only to be used for a vibrating-spinning adapter. I've gone one here, just waiting for the motors. Here is what I had to do with my phone and then the diffuser. This picture if from the front lcd. I had the bigger one in my adapter already. Hope you guys enjoy. If you have any questions, I'm sure I can help.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Phone.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Diffuser.jpg

Daniel Schaumberger

12-01-2006, 12:26 PM

Hi Rich,

I had the same idea some time ago but the lightloss was too big. I had a broken 19" TFT monitor and took the plastics & foils out but was disapointed by the big lightloss.

Maybe the cellular foils are the way to go.

Daniel

ovjamaica

12-01-2006, 02:01 PM

Fascinating. I have a 7" portable DVD player with a cracked screen. I never got around to throwing it away, and now I'm glad I kept it around. :D I just broke it open and pulled out two (2) sheets of these diffusers! Incredible. :D Both are the size of the LCD screen, so about 3" by 7". Just holding a 35mm lens up to them yields good results, though with noticeable grain. I'll try one of these in a vibrating setup and see how that works. The most promising thing about these would be the elimination of the hotspot. Guess we'll see how it goes.

Inexistence

12-01-2006, 02:44 PM

ooo great find Car3o!

Car3o

12-01-2006, 04:27 PM

Here are some grabs from the screen. The light loss isn't what I thought it would be. There's definitely light loss. But on the good side, the bokeh is quite impressive. You can see for yourself.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/NoAdapter.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Adapter2.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Bokeh3.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Bokeh2.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Bokeh.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Bokeh4-1.jpg
Can't wait until it's vibrating.
-Rh

ovjamaica

12-01-2006, 08:12 PM

Yeah, the bokeh is as good as it gets. As others have said before, it's a hard balance between minimal light loss and good bokeh. It's usually you get one good and the other is crappy. But the bokeh on these are as film like as any I've ever seen, at least from my own tests.

Car3o

12-01-2006, 09:10 PM

i'd really like to know what g35's light loss was.

wjm

12-01-2006, 09:26 PM

I have a broken 2nd generation ipod. Screen is fairly large, but greyscale if I recall. Will this likely have one of these screens, or color LCDs only?

Also, I have an iBook that is fairly DOA - will this work well, or too dark?

Cool info - I'd be interested to see how this progresses.

Car3o

12-01-2006, 09:38 PM

I didn't try the non color lcd's. But give it a shot. The ibook will definitely work. But one guy said his 19 inch lost too much light. Not sure how much. Post it up and we can compare larger screens to smaller ones.

rawfa

12-01-2006, 11:19 PM

i'd really like to know what g35's light loss was.

They had 2 versions. One had about half of a stop of light loss and the other one had aroun 1 to 1 and half stop.

leteeci

12-02-2006, 02:56 AM

Yes the grain is awful, and only to be used for a vibrating-spinning adapter. I've gone one here, just waiting for the motors. Here is what I had to do with my phone and then the diffuser.

Hi!

I did some "static " tests some months ago,with foil from Nokia phone, and

had some "hotspot" and noticable grain..

Later I bought Canon's EE-A which have less grain/hotspot and less light loss

and I think that is more convenient solution for vibrating design..

I also bought Canon's EE-S... but it's waiting unwrapped for housing/spinning

design..

This "LCD" material is too tin in my opinion, and I wouldn't bother with it for

vibrating design..

but who knows; maybe I am wrong..

cheers :beer:
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Car3o

12-02-2006, 07:00 AM

I didn't have a hotspot nor did I have vignetting. The canon screens have some of the most awful bokeh ever and you have to have a good size tube to fit their screen in for a vibrating set up unless you grind it down. Probably not a good size, but I'm using a thorlabs and it's really convenient. I'm in it mainly for the bokeh. The light loss wasn't phenomenal, because most adapters out there lose a fair bit of light.

Car3o

12-02-2006, 08:35 AM

New Grabs today. Outside was overcast. The setting in the camera made it really dark. So blacks are too black and whites are too white. The grabs still look pretty good.

Canon 50mm 1.8
Z75 MF 15
NO CC

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Car.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Car8.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Car7.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Car6.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Car5.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Car4A.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Car4.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Car3A.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Car3.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Car2A.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Car2.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Koty-1.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/AirCon.jpg

Inexistence

12-02-2006, 04:15 PM

I'm really diggin' the quality of the shots Car3o. Despite the light loss the images
really have a nice filmlike quality.

Car3o

12-03-2006, 12:51 AM

Edit: I added the less compressed of the 2nd video. It's 40something mb's. It's the 3rd link.

Here is video 1 of 2. The other is uploading now. The first one is around 22mb's and the second one around 31. I'll be honest, so no one is fooled. I'll have to re-up the second clip because the compression, even though it's full, took out most of the grain. You can still see it, but it's not like it should be. I'll re-up but it'll be more around 40mb's or more. That's a while to upload, so it will definitely be tomorrow. You can still check it out. As you can kind of tell it was raining outside. The sun is gone and it's overcast. So the light loss isn't that bad to be honest. I don't have a polarizer and I used 1/18th ND filter. Also had to adjust the iris. The bokeh is crazy good. Just look at the first clip behind the dog. You can see how round it is in the back. The vibrating unit will most likely eleminate all the grain. We'll have to see once I get the motors wich should be later this week. Same settings as the stills because this is the video from it.

And...incase you're wondering, I posted a picture of the phone where I got this paticular screen from. I do believe it's from a Samsung LG camera phone. I just walked in a local verizon shop and asked if they had any broken phones lying around and handed me a couple. Hope that helps some.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/120306_0149a.jpg

What is your design for the vibrating diffuser like?
A) It's from Daniel's webiste.

Canon 50mm 1.8
Z75 MF15
No CC

http://www.filelodge.com/files/room37/1045520/Poc1.divx
http://www.filelodge.com/files/room37/1045520/Poc2%281%29.divx

wjm

12-03-2006, 08:43 PM

Here are some dark shots using a holo diffuser obtained from a dead miniDV cam. Vibrating design.

[EDIT - I have changed these to JPEGs for page load considerations. Also, some CCing has been added, really just to lighten them up a bit.]

http://www.acorncreative.net/35mm/holo_diffuser_01.jpg
http://www.acorncreative.net/35mm/holo_diffuser_02.jpg
http://www.acorncreative.net/35mm/holo_diffuser_03.jpg

Sorry they're so badly underexposed - it was late and I couldn't really lug out the lights. I will say that I am looking forward to trying this out in the daytime. From what I can see so far, this gives you MUCH LESS of a HOTSPOT than the Canon Ee-A screen, which I have struggled with of late. It is a dark screen, however, and might be best suited for daylight shots.

Are the screens from cell phones much brighter? I love everything about this (POC) diffuser except:

1. They are FRAGILE - easily scratches, and this shows up clearly even in a vibrating design.
2. They are dark. Mine was from a panasonic palmcorder. Cell phone screens may be brighter?

Inexistence

12-03-2006, 10:19 PM

I'm wondering about the cell phone ones too if they are considerably brighter
than regular electronic equipment. You can always checkout a replacement
lcd screen for a Razr cell phone or maybe even a Nintendo DS screen.

http://www.microportables.com/catalog/V3RazrLCDScreen1.jpghttp://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-93938399693634_1924_10296615

Car3o

12-03-2006, 10:37 PM

I guess we'll just have to all chip in on what all types of screens can do. I only have the cell phone screens right now. If I run across more types I will definitely post grabs. I want to try out some grey scale lcd's to see if they have the same type of material. The key thing here is it's saving you from buying a 150screen. POC material alone is no less than $99.00. Less of a hassle than dealing with wax.

so far the cell phone screen is producing a sharp image with no hotspot or vignetting. i'm wondering if higher resolution screens have differences.

Car3o

12-03-2006, 10:39 PM

I have a RAZR coming tomorrow probably and I do have a DS but I don't want to crack it open because it still works. Guess ebay is where I'm heading next.

Car3o

12-04-2006, 12:52 AM

I tried the double screen to see if I'd get better lighting. I don't think I placed them in wrong angles because the screens were exactly the same and lined up. They have tabs on the side so I knew they were lined up perfectly. The results were more light loss. Here are some grabs.
1screen:
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/1Screen.gif
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/1ScreenA.gif
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/1ScreenB.gif
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/1ScreenC.gif
2screen:
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/2Screen.gif
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/2ScreenA.gif
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/2ScreenB.gif
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/2ScreenC.gif
I'm actually surprised to see that the light loss isn't that much with the one screen material(to me). That was under a ceiling fan light at or around 60watts. The fan in the picture is about 6fee from me and the table a good 7 or 8.
-Rh

phally

12-04-2006, 12:25 PM

wjm

12-04-2006, 01:13 PM

Inexistence

12-04-2006, 02:38 PM

So here's a little interesting thing that I found. It might have been talked about
before but I didn't find anything under the search button.

Also on 3M's site...

http://www.spyeglass.com/products/vikuiti.aspx

http://www.spyeglass.com/Partner/Files/xrvs.pdf

I think I'm going to order a DS Lite replacement screen and see if that works. Ipod Video/PSP screen maybe?

Inexistence

12-04-2006, 04:18 PM

hey car3o

I have a big question. I cracked a motorola lcd and gotten three diffrent strips. which one do i use?

there is one with has a holgraphic banding when looked thru a light source.
another one that looks like a diffuser - i think this is the one!!
and another one which looks like the other one but more richer in grain and more light lost.

which one do you think it is?

phally

My guess is the one which is whitish in color.

faultygoblin

12-04-2006, 08:33 PM

Great find,
Wish I had known this earlier, I go through at least 4 phones a semester,
Fires, pool partys, loss, and the every present crunchy foot. I'll have to dig around and see if I can find any intact to play with.

Would these be present on older crt monitors? I do not have an adaptor at the moment (that's next on the list) but if I get a large enough screen to test beforehand all the better.

I might build a mattebox or such with slots to hold these things, if I do I'll post..

Inexistence

12-04-2006, 08:36 PM

I was searching around and I found this on the PSP. The screen in the middle
looks like the diffuser we need.

http://www.llamma.com/PSP/images/repair/LCD/111805%20144.jpg

faultygoblin

12-04-2006, 08:57 PM

hmm might try buy some broken game systems or phones from a guy I know in St. Chuck, sounds like a good holiday project.

Car3o

12-04-2006, 09:52 PM

Car3o

12-04-2006, 09:54 PM

crt's shouldn't have this. crt works off of red blue green lights where as lcd's dont. please correct if iv'e mistaken.

Car3o

12-04-2006, 10:05 PM

I was searching around and I found this on the PSP. The screen in the middle
looks like the diffuser we need.

http://www.llamma.com/PSP/images/repair/LCD/111805%20144.jpg

Looks like the ticket to me.

Car3o

12-04-2006, 10:08 PM

Perhaps LCD screens that are rated to be brighter with better contrast ratios have better diffuser screens, but the converse could also be true. Skimp on one component in the chain, and make up for it with another component of higher quality somewhere else in the design.

Anyway, I REALLY like the bokeh of this screen. Are yours as easily scratched as mine is?

I was thinking that. But I'm wondering if like the higher the resolution the less light you have because the bigger the screen. Say a 20inch monitor with a high resolution, could lead to bigger/thicker material. Who knows.

Mine haven't scratched yet. I did take out a new one from a Nextel phone and it was ran over. I think there was one tiny scratch, but haven't put it in my adapter to find out if you can see it. I've had good luck I suppose. I'd say be extra careful when taking it out.

I got the motors in today and hopefully, hopefully I'll get the battery holder and switches in tomorrow. Did you solder any of your vibrating or use clips?

wjm

12-05-2006, 07:47 AM

I am going to do a 3-step process for attaching the motor wires:

1: Light solder
2: Superglue the joint for rigidity
3. Hot glue the red and black wires together (ensuring there is NO metal contact) to reduce the possibility of accidental shorting during use.

We'll see how that goes. The motor vibrations really wreak havoc on the soldered joints - I have had to resolder many times during the construction phase.

Car3o

12-06-2006, 02:15 AM

Got my vibrating unit hooked up now and here are the first grabs. I'll go out tomorrow morning and shoot some stuff in the day w/ and w/o vibration on so you can see the difference.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/OutsideBokeh.gif
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Window_NB.gif
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Window_B.gif
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/KotyOOF.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/KotyVBO.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Stove2.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/Stove.jpg

Canon 50mm 1.8
No CC
Z75 MF 15

ovjamaica

12-06-2006, 02:51 PM

Very interesting results. I'm excited to see something shot in more light. Thanks for posting these up. There still seems to be some sort of grain visible, but I'm not quite sure from the screen shots. I'd love to see some actual video from this. I'm willing to donate webspace/bandwidth for an uncompressed clip.

petri63

12-06-2006, 05:51 PM

Hi guys, it’s been a while since I’ve been here and I just came visiting and saw this thread.

Before I put my DOF adapter research aside a few months ago, I tested light shaping holographic diffuser sheets from a few suppliers (at great cost) with angles of 20 and 30 degrees, both in a vibrating and spinning adapter.

My conclusion was that the diffusers from these suppliers, at these angles, were unusable in a static or vibrating adapter. They only work OK in a spinning adapter and still you may see very subtle rotational grain in certain shots (against a blue sky).

It’s too bad, because in all cases, I thought the bokey was excellent.

It would be interesting to know the specs (diffusion angle) of the materials you guys are using.

Cheers

Inexistence

12-06-2006, 07:12 PM

Car3o

12-06-2006, 10:25 PM

pertri63, what were the thicknesses of the sheets you have tested?
When you say 'unusable' do you mean the grain is just too large to
eliminate?

Car3o, I'd love to see some video of the screen in your vib setup!
Edit: Here you go. Mine and my roommates dog.
I'm going to re-encode the dog file to .mov with less compression
Edit: Here is the footage I shot lastnight/tonight. Now. I'm guessing you'll say there is too much grain. That's because I guess you can see it. But to me it looks great. I'm satisfied with the amount of grain it gives off. I dunno, to me. I haven't seen any footage at full resolution and in these kind of conditions to fully see what kind of grain there is from other adapters. I'll try some other screens to see what else there is. I hope this helps you out. I'm recoding the dog footage right now and might have it up before I go to bed. You have 7days to d/l this file, after that it will automatically be deleted

http://filelodge.bolt.com/anonget.php?key=ab188efb73963f468ed602be0c98f549

So I'm uploading footage now. I put the video bitrate up to 1550mb/sec so it should be decent enough to get an idea. I'll have more footage later tonight, after editing, and it's with a lot of people, indoors, and out at night. The footage from today with the dogs was grainy. But for me, you guys are incredibly picky, it wasn't enough to say "wow, look at that grain". You can mainly see the grain on blacks than anything else I.E. dog fur, rooftops, shadows. Also, another problem I ran into was the battery was not at it's full juice. I know tonight the footage appeared sharper with no grain with a new battery. If I can stay awake I'll post that up later, probably tomorrow morning.

Two things. The larger your sheet the more horrible the grain is, and I mean really bad. I thought larger phones, with bigger screens would be better. It isn't. I got ahold of two Nextel i870's and it's just really really bad. Stick to smaller brighter screens.

20 and 30degree isn't the way to go to begin with. I'd say 20 has good results, but I think 15 is even better. I'd like to know as to what angle these screens are as well. I'm not sure if there's a way to tell.

The point to all of this is DIY. You don't have to spend 110.00 on Holographic Diffuser. And if you get great results, you win. If you get bad results, you still win because you didn't drop 110.00 on a piece of garbage. Look forward to some grabs from the video I shot tonight and video from what I shot earlier today.

Ohh yeah. I have a new screen I will test out tonight. If it's good enough, I'll let you in on what it is. It appears to be brighter with less grain the the HGD.

-Rh

petri63

12-07-2006, 06:15 AM

The sheets I used were 0.010" if I recall.

I don’t think one can say in absolute terms that a specific angle is the way to go, because the same angle from two different suppliers will give different results in terms of bokeh and light loss (different manufacturing processes).

The higher the angle (more diffusion), the higher the light loss, but the "better" the bokeh and the smaller the grain.

I would have liked to test a 15 degrees sheet, but it was not readily available.

Inexistence

12-07-2006, 06:38 AM

.25mm? That's pretty thin but, maybe just too thick for our purposes since .05-.08mm
seems to be a sweet spot for wax thickness.

petri63

12-07-2006, 06:49 AM

That’s the thickness of the sheet, not of the diffusing "surface" (I don’t know what else to call it). The grainy surface on the materials I tried that actually diffuses light is thinner, so it’s difficult to compare it to wax.

Inexistence

12-07-2006, 07:08 AM

Right. Understood. How does one measure the actual diffusing thickness?
With holographic diffusers, to the best of my understanding, they operate similar to
ground glass but, with better light randomization. So yes wax is quite different from
gg but, the substrate for the HGD also absorbs a generous amount of light in addition
to the actual diffusing surface. That's really what I meant to say:) My fault for being
too general.

Obviously we need to try the diff degrees of film to see which one works best.

petri63

12-07-2006, 08:37 AM

No problem at all. BTW, I’m no expert on the subject myself. Now I don’t want to hijack this thread, so back to the original subject.

I watched the clip and thought it looked very good. :-)

Cheers

Car3o

12-07-2006, 10:37 AM

Don't worry, i'm not going to think someone is hijacking a thread. I dont really care. So, over at dvinfo they've gone far with holographic diffusion and had tried every possible degree. From Alain's results he said 15 degree was the best, being that it's thickness was minimal, grain was fair, and bokeh was great. So that's why I said 15degrees. 20 was a close second and 30 was too much light loss but finer grain. I had hoped that the vibrating unit would get rid of all the grain, but it looks like it's not going to happen.

Would anyone happen to have a full resolution clip from the G35? I've seen so many, but all were scaled down to 640x480 or less.

Inexistence

12-07-2006, 03:05 PM

Car3o, I have to say that the footage coming from the screen is fantastic. I love it.
I'm sold. Sure some might consider the grain bad but, I really think it adds to the
look. Great work!

Car3o

12-07-2006, 09:31 PM

Here's the footage from mine and my roommate's dog outside. Little bright in some area's. I'm going tomorrow to try and find some smaller cell phones and test those screens out. Thanks Inex.

This file is pretty big. 161mb's. Will be deleted after 7days
http://filelodge.bolt.com/anonget.php?key=02612ef569ceb84dfc21a24412f6275c

-Rh

Inexistence

12-08-2006, 12:10 AM

cool stuff! One question though Car3o, how did you mount the diffuser in your setup?
I have the film from a PSP in hand and it's quite flimsy.

Car3o

12-08-2006, 08:32 AM

With Daniel's Vibrating Hassy.

http://www.jetsetmodels.info/pics/vh_51.jpg

Inexistence

12-08-2006, 10:53 AM

Excellent design there. The simplicity of it all is really cool! Toenis rocks with that
design!

ovjamaica

12-08-2006, 05:00 PM

I watched the first video (Work2) and REALLY liked the look of it. The tone of the clip was really nice, and the bokeh was outstanding. It made the subject in focus really stand out. I'll download the other videos tonight, but I'm VERY impressed by what I've seen so far.

Car3o

12-08-2006, 05:40 PM

Alright, so, I've got some news to share. In the clips you can notice grain. So I thought this screen was too grainy, and it still might be, but with what i've learned it might not be. I have a WAX gg that was made for me and it's already a decent static adapter with very little grain. I wanted to compare the two. Even with the WAX gg there was the same amount of grain. Now, I've also investigated, that if you have too much voltage going to your motor that it can result to improper vibratation. I never got a chance to get a a Rheostat, which lowers the voltage from the battery to the motor, and I'm thinking this could be what eliminates the grain completely. I hope so anway. I'll post the clips as soon as a I get a rheostat.

-Rh

Inexistence

12-08-2006, 05:57 PM

Dan talked about oscillation with his adapter a bit and he addressed it with
oscillation speeds according to shutter like 1/24 and such. Thus eliminating
any grain with reduced current draw. So when you get your rheo you can
sorta adjust for shutter speed to eliminate your grain but, not as accurate
as his design maybe. I'm not completely sure I'm in my own testing phase hell.

Car3o

12-08-2006, 07:02 PM

New footage. More of work footage.

http://www.filelodge.com/files/room37/1045520/Work4.mov

This one won't be deleted. It'll stay after 7days. It's only 37mb's. Added music.
-Rh

Daniel Schaumberger

12-08-2006, 07:53 PM

Hi guys,

with every gg-holder I ship there is a voltage recommendation. You absolutely will need a rheostat i.e. "25 ohms / 3-4 watts" to control the right voltage.
For the vibrating gg-holder "VH-51" 0.8 -1.2 volts are recommended if its too high it wont vibrate properly and you will see grain. The other thing is you have to fix the the gg-holder inside your tube because it has to be surrounded by mass or the vibration also wont work properly and grain will be visible. Every gg-holder that I ship is tested on a dummy-35-adapter and there is no grain visible. If you use one duracell AAA battery with 1.5 volts thats is too much.

best regards
Daniel

wjm

12-08-2006, 08:54 PM

I recently purchased one of Daniel's vibrating gg-holders, and I have to say it is rock solid. Excellent product, and far better than anything I could ever have hoped to make myself, or even spec out. Don't waste any more of your time - pick one up now.

wjm

12-08-2006, 09:00 PM

New footage. More of work footage.

http://www.filelodge.com/files/room37/1045520/Work4.mov

This one won't be deleted. It'll stay after 7days. It's only 37mb's. Added music.
-Rh

Car3o, where did you get the holographic diffuser used in this shot? (if a cell phone, which one? What are the specs of it?) This is exactly the look I am going for - excellent job.

Really nice, shallow depth of field. Would dialing down the f-stop even 1 stop to increase the depth of field a bit have been possible with this diffuser , due to its light loss characteristics? Looks like you had a little wiggle room on the exposure.

Thanks in advance for your replies. Great job.

Inexistence

12-08-2006, 09:58 PM

Car had a pic some place in this thread of the cell cover. I think it was a

Samsung SCH-A670
http://www.samsung.com/Products/MobilePhones/Verizon/SCH_A670ZSVXAR.asp

Ebay it!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-SCH-A670-Camera-Cell-phone-Verizon_W0QQitemZ120061616155QQihZ002QQcategoryZ64 355QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Car3o

12-08-2006, 10:18 PM

Guys,

Daniel's product is superb. I don't want any of this footage to turn anyone away by thinking his product isn't top of the line.

I do believe it was from a Audiovox cdm9900. The Samsung carried a scratch. So i tossed it. I'm sure it's possible. I have a canon lens so I'd have to jam to metal piece to stop down some more. I will give it a shot and see what I can get. I just can't wait to get my rheostat.

-Rh

Car3o

12-09-2006, 08:53 AM

Got my rheostat this morning. Will probably have something available tomorow morning or later tonight. We'll see.

-Rh

Inexistence

12-09-2006, 09:57 PM

How goes it Car?

Car3o

12-09-2006, 10:13 PM

Funny you posted. I'm in the process of putting it together. I won't be able to get footage until tomorrow because I got the wrong drill bits. Too small. But in about 5mins I'm going to post pics of the setup.

-Rh

Inexistence

12-09-2006, 10:15 PM

noice

Car3o

12-09-2006, 10:29 PM

Alright. Here are some pics of the coming together of the final adapter. With rheostat, not shown because I didn't have a big enough drill bit, and a switch. I hope I can jumble all of this into this tube. It looks like it's going to work schematically. Also, went to the mall today and went around to all the cell phone places we had. Found a place where a guy sold me all these phones for 30bux, plus another free one at my local verizon shop. I'm looking to have this finished up by tomorrow. I should have footage by tomorrow night. Provided I get the right drill bit. Sorry the pictures are so grainy. My camera phone wasn't vibrating.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/121006_0017a.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/121006_0016b.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/121006_0016a.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/121006_0015b.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/121006_0015a.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/121006_0010a.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/121006_0009b.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/121006_0000a.jpg

Inexistence

12-09-2006, 11:45 PM

Cool! How is it setup exactly? Are you using any magnification of on
screen?

BTW that's one HUGE pot there! 25ohm?

Edit: Any video today perhaps?

12-11-2006, 10:45 AM

> http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/121006_0015a.jpg

DIYers always seem to spend more time building their projects than doing dishes!

Inexistence

12-11-2006, 11:02 AM

It looks like there's a wet chicken hanging above the dishes.

Where's that video!:)

Car3o

12-11-2006, 07:41 PM

> http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/121006_0015a.jpg

DIYers always seem to spend more time building their projects than doing dishes!

What?? Common, it wasn't my turn to do dishes yet. Besides, dish washer was full.

So, I finished up the adapter. And I did some test shots, but didnt record. I wanted to adjust some stuff first. I planned taking out my camera in the day, got to where I was at and forgot the battery. That sucked. But I promise to shoot tomorrow and have something up later that evening, or the next morning. I'm wondering if the LCD material is too grainy. I hooked the camera up to my T.V. regular 27incher and no grain was visible. I'm gonna see if it'll be the same on my computer monitor. Here the final pics of the adapter. I didn't solder anything because I want to try more screens out.

Inexistence. I do use a magnification. Ahcromat from Wayne Kinney. His are real nice.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/121106_0023b.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/121106_0023a.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Car3o/121106_0022a.jpg