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DCCowan
11-23-2006, 10:35 PM
Well, I shot my first ever music video this last weekend on my new A1. I am best friends with the lead singer of a band out of Baltimore called "ashes remain" (http://www.ashesremain.com) - a alt/rock band. We conceptualized this video a month ago and made plans for this last weekend. It was shot in Sedona, AZ - and believe it or not, in my apartment's back lot... at the foot of South Mountain in Phoenix. Now guys... I have zero training in video, and so I sorta cringe in showing it. But I do hope you enjoy this as much as I do.

The noise you see in the clip is due to compression... (qt, 17 megs) trust me... this image POPS! We were blown away with what we came away with... what an amazing camera... thanks to Elton for the setting suggestions.

If anyone would like full resolution stills of certain parts, let me know...

UPDATED DECEMBER 2007 - with new version of song, with the full band -

http://elevationchurch.tv/cowan/video/AR.mov

Link: Click Here for original, acoustic only version - 2006 (http://elevationchurch.tv/ashes%20remain.html)

Thanks!

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Updated January 23, 2007:

As promised, here are some still shots of the footage without color correction... sorry this took so long, guys... moved right before Christmas and things are just now settling down... Due to the 9 pic limit per post, scroll down this page for more pics... Enjoy!

http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/SunSet.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take2-S.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take3-S.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take4-S.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take5-S.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take6-S.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take6-S2.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take9.1-S.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take9.2-S.jpg

Elton
11-23-2006, 10:53 PM
Very nice, DC. Was it just you and your friend on the shoot?

For being a noob that's just fantastic looking! Good song too.

Thanks for sharing. :)

DCCowan
11-23-2006, 11:02 PM
Awesome! Glad you liked it!

Yeah.. pretty much. I had others there to help carry things... lol -- but basically, that was it. Though some on the set offered some suggestions on angles, and such.. All shot on a tripod or handheld...edited with FCP - and obviously, no filters, tricks, or gizmos. :P Hopefully, next time I will have a Merlin! :) Color was an issue with one set being mainly green and yellow... the other blue and red... but that was on purpose... as a means to contrast between two worlds, in a sense.

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January 23, 1007 Added Stills:

http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take9.7-S.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take9.7-S2.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take9.8-S.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take9.09.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take9.19.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take9.20.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take9.23.2.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take9.23.jpg

xray
11-23-2006, 11:52 PM
sunny colorful:beer:

Kholi
11-23-2006, 11:56 PM
Very saturated, without being OVER-saturated, dude! Looks great.

Is there a higher-res version or one of the .m2ts that you have? I'd like to see some of the raw footage before CCing and such.

Looks great, man.

DCCowan
11-24-2006, 12:05 AM
no .m2ts... but higher res, you bet! Oh... and very little CC was done at all. I would say only 1/4th was...

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January 23, 2007: Stills Added:

http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take9.24.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take9.26.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take9.27.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take9.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take92.jpg
http://www.elevationchurch.tv/cowan/pix/ar_stills/Take93.jpg

Kholi
11-24-2006, 12:06 AM
Nice. Try to get stills before and after CC if it's a possibility! I'd like to see what came out of the camera.

Thanks a lot, dude.

Noel Evans
11-24-2006, 12:28 AM
Hi DC nice shots. You want feedback?

rawfa
11-24-2006, 12:40 AM
Nice for a first time. Very rich saturated colors. Can you share the on-camera settings?

delaro
11-24-2006, 02:03 AM
that's the kind of thing i was waiting for!
nice work!
now i want a A1!

DCCowan
11-24-2006, 08:16 AM
Hi DC nice shots. You want feedback?

I sort of cringe at the thought (lol), but yes... give it to me. How could this be better? Noob's got to go to school!

DCCowan
11-24-2006, 08:18 AM
Nice for a first time. Very rich saturated colors. Can you share the on-camera settings?

The settings are the ones Elton suggested:
Cinegamma2, Knee low, Color gain +2, and Black middle.

DCCowan
11-24-2006, 08:19 AM
that's the kind of thing i was waiting for!
nice work!
now i want a A1!

Thanks! You bet you do! If a noob can do this, what can someone that knows what they are doing do? Amazing stuff, that's what! The colors are rich, DOF is amazing, and the resolution is breathtaking.

Jay Rodriguez
11-24-2006, 08:51 AM
oh wow, the image on it is unreal! I love what I just saw, thanks for sharing it.


if you want any feedback on the video, I would try to add some additional story line to it just to break the same ole' scene up a bit. also, some of the clips look out of sync with the auctual audio/song.

Ramon Boutviseth
11-24-2006, 10:09 AM
Did you use a higher shutter speed for some of the shots?
nice work, ive been waiting for someone to do a music video on this camera for some time now.. thanks for sharing.

DCCowan
11-24-2006, 10:23 AM
Yeah... I did use a higher shutter speed... Something I regret a bit...

delaro
11-24-2006, 10:38 AM
is it 24f?

DCCowan
11-24-2006, 10:39 AM
yes . . .

delaro
11-24-2006, 10:45 AM
Nice. Try to get stills before and after CC if it's a possibility! I'd like to see what came out of the camera.

Thanks a lot, dude.

yeah i agree! i can't stop watching it again and again :)

DCCowan
11-24-2006, 10:52 AM
Seriously, Delaro? THANKS!

Drew Ott
11-24-2006, 11:30 AM
I thought it was good but the dubbing is off on parts... which makes me look for dubbing mistakes even when it is in-sync.

DCCowan
11-24-2006, 11:40 AM
No dubbing is off... the edit is perfectly timed. Must be when it was compressed. Perhaps reload it? Or replay it? I am curious as to what that's about...

AZsspvideo
11-24-2006, 11:49 AM
video looked great. Music strong and with feeling. As delaro says, "Now I want a A1".

StMad
11-24-2006, 12:00 PM
Nice work DC. What you've acheived with limited experience is impressive - you've made the camera look very good. I liked when you had the camera moving (you'll be like a kid at Christmas when you get your Merlin :)), and your play with focus was nice - gotta love that long Canon lens. Also like your shots which added to the mood - eg sunset and your close shots.

As someone else mentioned adding a storyline might help...even if it's just a few more shots of the fella without his guitar...for a bit of variety. Maybe the fella in motion too. For me (subjective) the vid was a little "samey". And the nle cam moves stood out for me but they looked a bit digital. 2c

Looking forward to seeing more of your work.

DCCowan
11-24-2006, 12:18 PM
Thanks for the input, StMad, and others... particularly about story line. All good points. And frankly, I had to make the call on that one. We did some b-roll shots that would have developed that, but they frankly were not that good. I only had my friend in from Baltimore for a limited amount of time and took the best of what we had. It was definitely thought of... but the results were not good enough to use, KWIM?

And yes... some does look digital... esp the shot with the mountain up tight behind Josh with the extreme close up. I think I had instant focus on in that shot ( :( ) lol

Noel Evans
11-24-2006, 03:52 PM
Hey Dc couple of things I want to throw at you:

The opening and closing shots worked well.
Watch your framing. I noticed a couple of things. You were sometimes framing the shot so you could include a peak or other natural feature. No problem there but instead of just moving the cameras view up or down to do it while the talent is in the same place. You should reframe the entire shot so your talent is well positioned and your feature is incuded. This may mean moving the cam and trying a number of angles. By doing this your talent felt a bit lost to me in the scheme of things.

Generally speaking though the thing that kind of pulled me out of it was framing overall.

I noticed a few times there was some heavy camera movement going on, like it was all shot handheld. Probably not a good idea at the best of times. Handheld has a place, especially in music vids, but sometimes it seemed like the shot was trying to be steady then lots of movement.

Try some shots where pan to your talent (check framing first), like across a vast landscape to him sitting as part of it singing etc. Just some more deliberate camera moves, rather than just him centre frame every shot.

Then that also could have been improved upon if there was some more shots of him doing others things, like walking,interacting with the landscape and contemplating his words rathering than singing them.

And yeah some looked a little video esque. I generally try to keep 24fps footage in the following range of shutter speed (assuming no effects are to be carried out on it later)1/24, 1/48, 1/120, 1/250, 1/1000. Thats one thing but using some bounce boards to get some light on your talents face (nice sunny day) would also help, and there are a few other factors that effect this of course.

Last one: NO AF :P

Good job on a first time out with a brand new cam though.

ecking
11-24-2006, 04:24 PM
I want to watch it but the link no longer workss! NOOOOO!!!!

DCCowan
11-24-2006, 04:24 PM
Thanks for the very thorough critic. I really do appreciate it . . .

ecking
11-24-2006, 04:38 PM
Now it works! It looks really good nice and clean but too clean to be extremely filmic like I found elton's faces in the crowd. I found the shot choices kind of boring but for what the video was trying to do it more than worked. I'm just a fan of music videos that run like a mini short film, narrative and all, I understand that not all music videos go for this approach and I can respect that. I personally needed more cc, but that's me. If you were going for the so clear it's a window effect, you nailed it, it should be used to demo HD tvs in stores its so clean.

Exellent work, excellent effort! One thing I do think you could have cut down on was zooms, or at least slowed them down a more so they wouldn't be so noticeable.

DCCowan
11-24-2006, 05:15 PM
More good input, Ecking... Thank you! Learning a lot with this project. Can't wait to do something better!

doumm
11-24-2006, 05:52 PM
Yes brother,

good work for first time, what ncje said, I would also consider using manual focus instead of auto, a few times it seemed the autofocus was hunting, or was this creative effect?
Though I would see that the framing would have been hard sometime as the terrain must have been quite harsh, things like cactus in the way!!!
The sound did seem out of sync, was your talent miming? Because when you mime you actually mouth things differently, just ask deaf people. That could account for the sync going out. I know theres multi takes and your talent have to protect their voice, but try and get them to replicate the actual way they sung the recording, that way the timing and amplitude of mouth movement will match the track.
Only other thing is try and do some low shooting, your talent had a few scenes where he was bending over and you just had vision of the top of his head which is ok in passing, but if your holding the shot its like when you talk to someone, and they're looking down, you loose the communication. Once again the terrain probably would have made this awkward for you.
Look forward to your future work, awesome song to, really enjoyed it.
Your Brother from Down Under
Bless You
Doumm

Drew Ott
11-24-2006, 09:28 PM
I think what doumm said was true about the dubbing. It's either off in editing (you said it wasn't), compression/streaming mess-up, or the singer was mouthing the words.

Maybe the singer just sings differently than what we are used to, but it seemed like he was opening his mouth too wide and circle-shaped to be a realistic sing.

delaro
11-25-2006, 06:41 AM
if we except the difference in lighting, what setting makes the difference with elton's "facesinthecrowd.mov" footage? one is very sharp, nice hd. the other looks more like 16mm. is this the "detail" setting? is it possible to obtain this soft look in a very sunny environment with the A1?

Elton
11-25-2006, 07:49 AM
I think it's the lighting. It was more flat and soft in the afternoon on the NY sidewalk. I usually turn the sharpness down too, and I'm not sure if DC did with his camera.

It's definitely possible to get a softer look in a sunny environment, it just takes a little tweaking.

Also, just cramming the 1080 image down to 420 x 270 (with good QT conversion) will make the smaller clip seem sharper for its image size.

prodigywookie
11-26-2006, 06:14 PM
I liked it alot. There were some things that you could have done better, but I thought it was GREAT

DCCowan
11-26-2006, 07:10 PM
Thank you, means a lot... of course, there is a lot I could have done better. Even if I had experience, I suppose that would still be the case. Thanks...

And to all, I do hope to get some stills up sometime soon. Sorry for the delay. It's just that this is my hobby, not my job, KWIM? :)

H7Q5
11-30-2006, 09:20 PM
DC, I enjoyed your music video!

You mentioned "settings Elton suggested..." Is that a thread I could read? Or could you direct me to a site that might review some suggested settings for the A1 when shooting under various conditions, etc. I have a new A1 - but the manual says nothing about setting up the camera. I'm moving from a TVR900 that I've had since it was new so I have quite a learning curve as far as the settings are concerned.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Larry

DCCowan
12-25-2006, 02:00 PM
Elton suggested 1/32 ND on -- settings @ Cinegamma2, Knee low, Color gain +2, and Black middle -- all for a bright, sunny day. I thought the results looked great. Sorry for the delay... BIG delay in getting some still shots up. Been really, really, busy lately... on top of that, I moved this last weekend. Still unpacking boxes. :( But, finally in our new home in time for Christmas! :)

Elton
12-25-2006, 02:13 PM
Congratulations on your new home, DC. :)

Actually, I recommend color gain of +15 or +20 because the scales are different with the A1 compared to the H1.

DCCowan
12-25-2006, 02:28 PM
Ah, yeah? That wouldn't saturate the colors too much?

And thanks about the new house! :)

Elton
12-25-2006, 02:51 PM
Ah, yeah? That wouldn't saturate the colors too much?

And thanks about the new house! :)

Of course every situation is different, but I don't think it oversaturates. You can always bring it down in post.

DCCowan
01-22-2007, 11:32 PM
OK... long overdue promise... See the first couple of posts for stills of footage withOUT color correction... enjoy!

Nik Manning
01-24-2007, 12:47 PM
Great Job! If you had 2 more locations you could easily have gotten paid for this quality of work. Hey Elton any other settings you can share? I am seriously considering getting an A1. I hope UPS is hiring! :)

Hobbes00
01-24-2007, 03:55 PM
freakin cool! I love this!!

Erik Olson
01-24-2007, 05:31 PM
DCCowan,

Just wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed this. The long lens and superwide stuff look great together. A totally refreshing clip. Thanks for sharing.

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ESTEBEVERDE
01-24-2007, 10:34 PM
... "ashes remain" (http://www.ashesremain.com) - a alt/rock band.
...

In truth they are a baby Jesus a.k.a. Christian band. Not so much alt/rock as Christian alt/rock.

Very nice images.

The Lip Sinc seemed a bit out of whack in the beginning and it would have been nice to a bit more variety of shots.

Well done for your first outing.

Keep up your good work!

Eric Reid
01-24-2007, 10:42 PM
Didn't care for the music but the video footage was pretty good. The color and image quality was excellent.

Kevin Dorsey
01-24-2007, 10:50 PM
Those are uncorrected stills? They look fantastic. I can see why you didn't need to tweak them much. Nice job.
-Kevin

DCCowan
01-24-2007, 11:45 PM
Those are uncorrected stills? They look fantastic. I can see why you didn't need to tweak them much. Nice job.
-Kevin


I know. :shocked:

I was amazed at the colors just as they were... of course, Sedona has such rich colors... it truly is an amazing place.

DCCowan
01-27-2007, 05:01 PM
Sorry, I didn't say "thanks" for all of the kind words. For a noob like me in video, the praise and the critique make for a nice combination of encouragement and "hey, that's good, but here's how it could be better." Thanks...

DCCowan
03-14-2007, 04:41 AM
- So there is talk about shooting a different ending to this video, or maybe thinkening up the whole thing a bit with additional footage.... apparently the band re-recorded an ending in which the whole band kicks in at that dramatic part toward the end.

But that raises a question for me. Getting a guy and a guitar in the places we got for this was easy, but a whole band? How the heck? Can I even pull that off. Any suggestions? Secure a permit? Go a different ruote? Ideas! Thanks, from a novice.

DCCowan
03-23-2007, 12:39 AM
The above is a serious question... any suggestions?

DCCowan
12-21-2007, 02:28 PM
Here is the updated version... The band went back into the studio and re-recorded this song and then came out to Phoenix to be added into the original video. Thought I would share.

http://elevationchurch.tv/cowan/video/AR.mov

Pastor Thug
12-22-2007, 12:48 AM
Amazing scenery - don't get a lot of that desert in New Zealand where I'm from... but the music video left me feeling I'd just watch a recording of a bunch of guys miming a song in a desert?
I think I would've doubled the speed of the song and recorded them at that speed then slowed the footage down 50% in post to make it less 'real' if that makes any sense?

Michael Friedman
12-22-2007, 01:02 AM
Here is the updated version... The band went back into the studio and re-recorded this song and then came out to Phoenix to be added into the original video. Thought I would share.

http://elevationchurch.tv/cowan/video/AR.mov

The desert looks great and there is good shooting there.

For me, the downside is that every shot is a performance shot. I would use that for half the video and get something (anything) narrative to intercut. It could be a guy driving in his car, walking through town...anything to mix it up and add some variety. It is clear that you have put a lot of work into this, so I would keep it simple. If you split it 50/50 narrative, performance, you may get something you like even better.

Good job.

SilverWolf
12-22-2007, 07:12 AM
Between 2:03 & 2:04 you color correction changes for one scene

DCCowan
12-22-2007, 04:06 PM
The desert looks great and there is good shooting there.

For me, the downside is that every shot is a performance shot. I would use that for half the video and get something (anything) narrative to intercut. It could be a guy driving in his car, walking through town...anything to mix it up and add some variety. It is clear that you have put a lot of work into this, so I would keep it simple. If you split it 50/50 narrative, performance, you may get something you like even better.

Good job.

That's EXACTLY what we would still like to do... we have an idea to use, too... I don't know if and when it will be done, though. This video had $0 budget and shot by me, a complete novice. Just love that camera and thought I would share! :)