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SpreadEagle
11-22-2006, 11:23 PM
Many of you have already been down the DIY road and have made your own devices using aluminum. Some items seem to be left in the "raw/sanded/polished" state, some have been painted, and some have been more elaborately coated - powder coating. I am an ex Lochheed Martin engineer and have much experience with treating aluminum and paint systems used for aerospace manufacturing. You too, the DIY'er, can have aerospace class aluminum parts that will paint up well, and resist corrosion.

When working with aluminum blocks, rods, plate, you will want to decide upon a finish. Some folks like some things to remain silver, and other like things to be "camera black" like most lenses and attachments.

Consider making a rail system for a camera rig. If you buy 1" by 2" aluminum block, drill two holes through it for rods, tap some screw holes, break the sharp edges and in general clean it up with light sanding, you will then arrive at an important decision point.

If you have the funds to have the parts anodized or powder coated, that yields the most professional look, and great corrosion protection. But if you can not afford to have that done but still want that pro look, there are some very simple steps you can take to put a chemical conversion coating on the aluminum.

This coating is done by imersing or brushing a solution onto the bare cleaned part. The coating does several things. First and foremost, it provides corrosion resistance. Handling with sweaty hands being in close proximity to salt spray or salt air will cause untreated aluminum to begin to oxidize or corrode. If the aluminum is left bare, then you will notice that a black residue will begin coming off the part onto your hands, your nice white shirt, and such. You can really see the black residue on the aluminum, but it will continue to come off on you.

The other reason you might want to treat the aluminum is to provide a much better surface for primer/paint adhesion. If you paint a bare aluminum part, you will begin to note that the paint comes off pretty easily. Unless you buy paint designed for coating aluminum, you will not have a durable finish.

Purchasing a bottle of Alodine 1200 costs about $17. This quart-size will treat about 100 square feet of surface. In addition to the Alodine solution, you should buy a chemical cleaning solution, such as Alumiprep #33 or Metal Prep #79. I prefer the latter. Each of these sell for about $17 per quart.

You can find all of these at the following URL's:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/alodine1201.php (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/alodine1201.php)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal...s/alumiprep.php (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/alumiprep.php)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal...s/metalprep.php (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/metalprep.php)

These folks are based out of southern California, USA. Outside of US, you might want to search for websites/suppliers that cater to the light aircraft DIY'ers. They usually sell small quantities to the retail purchaser, rather than to industrial customers.

Once you have your finished aluminum parts cleaned, and have applied the chemical conversion coating, you can then prime and paint using most good paint products. I myself prefer epoxy type paints for a very hard and durable surface coating. Zinc Chromate primers (or newer replacements for Zinc Chromate) provide the next level or protection to the chemically converted aluminum.

If you do bypass all this, try using an ETCHING primer. This chemically etches the surface of the aluminum, and then the primer dries/bonds to that surface. One I have used is called TEMPO and can be found at this URL:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal...fetchprimer.php (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/temposelfetchprimer.php)

Check your local Home Depot or Loews or other home improvement/hardware stores for similar primers.

Hope this might help some of you produce truly professional DIY parts!

:beer:

bklyndv
11-22-2006, 11:35 PM
Wow, what a generous expenditure of time and effort. Thank you for sharing this!

Cryogenic Filmworks
11-22-2006, 11:53 PM
:thumbsup: Will have to try that.


Many of you have already been down the DIY road and have made your own devices using aluminum. Some items seem to be left in the "raw/sanded/polished" state, some have been painted, and some have been more elaborately coated - powder coating. I am an ex Lochheed Martin engineer and have much experience with treating aluminum and paint systems used for aerospace manufacturing. You too, the DIY'er, can have aerospace class aluminum parts that will paint up well, and resist corrosion.

When working with aluminum blocks, rods, plate, you will want to decide upon a finish. Some folks like some things to remain silver, and other like things to be "camera black" like most lenses and attachments.

Consider making a rail system for a camera rig. If you buy 1" by 2" aluminum block, drill two holes through it for rods, tap some screw holes, break the sharp edges and in general clean it up with light sanding, you will then arrive at an important decision point.

If you have the funds to have the parts anodized or powder coated, that yields the most professional look, and great corrosion protection. But if you can not afford to have that done but still want that pro look, there are some very simple steps you can take to put a chemical conversion coating on the aluminum.

This coating is done by imersing or brushing a solution onto the bare cleaned part. The coating does several things. First and foremost, it provides corrosion resistance. Handling with sweaty hands being in close proximity to salt spray or salt air will cause untreated aluminum to begin to oxidize or corrode. If the aluminum is left bare, then you will notice that a black residue will begin coming off the part onto your hands, your nice white shirt, and such. You can really see the black residue on the aluminum, but it will continue to come off on you.

The other reason you might want to treat the aluminum is to provide a much better surface for primer/paint adhesion. If you paint a bare aluminum part, you will begin to note that the paint comes off pretty easily. Unless you buy paint designed for coating aluminum, you will not have a durable finish.

Purchasing a bottle of Alodine 1200 costs about $17. This quart-size will treat about 100 square feet of surface. In addition to the Alodine solution, you should buy a chemical cleaning solution, such as Alumiprep #33 or Metal Prep #79. I prefer the latter. Each of these sell for about $17 per quart.

You can find all of these at the following URL's:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/alodine1201.php (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/alodine1201.php)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal...s/alumiprep.php (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/alumiprep.php)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal...s/metalprep.php (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/metalprep.php)

These folks are based out of southern California, USA. Outside of US, you might want to search for websites/suppliers that cater to the light aircraft DIY'ers. They usually sell small quantities to the retail purchaser, rather than to industrial customers.

Once you have your finished aluminum parts cleaned, and have applied the chemical conversion coating, you can then prime and paint using most good paint products. I myself prefer epoxy type paints for a very hard and durable surface coating. Zinc Chromate primers (or newer replacements for Zinc Chromate) provide the next level or protection to the chemically converted aluminum.

If you do bypass all this, try using an ETCHING primer. This chemically etches the surface of the aluminum, and then the primer dries/bonds to that surface. One I have used is called TEMPO and can be found at this URL:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal...fetchprimer.php (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/temposelfetchprimer.php)

Check your local Home Depot or Loews or other home improvement/hardware stores for similar primers.

Hope this might help some of you produce truly professional DIY parts!

:beer:

Kdawg
11-23-2006, 08:55 AM
Yes, excellent post. Thanks!!

MattinSTL
11-23-2006, 09:39 AM
Hey thanks for the contribution to this forum... man I REALLY appreciate it! Previously I've done brushed finishes that were so labor intensive that it was just burning me out... powdercoating and anodizing were simply out of the budget.

This is very helpful info... thanks again.

vidled
11-23-2006, 10:09 AM
Yes, great post indeed!

And I don't want to take away, only ADD to this thread by offering this link for a company which sells metal plating kits (inlcuding anodizing kits):
http://www.caswellplating.com/kits/

...and this company which sells metal etching tools which work GREAT for marking your own products:
http://www.etching-metal.com/

SpreadEagle
11-24-2006, 09:28 AM
Hi all,

You are MOST welcome - I have 'taken' so much from these forums. Just trying to 'give' some now...

VIDLED - Wow... I would have never dreamed that there were so many DIY options when it comes to surface treatments for the DIYer! Great post!

Also, as some of you have mentioned, 'you don't have a machine shop and you can't see how you could make something like...' How many times have you looked at the neat 'thing' someone made, and then realized you don't have the tools or resources to fabricate it out of aluminum, or carbon fiber, or steel, or...???

For an alternative to machining from Aluminum/metal stock, consider the world of epoxy and polymer casting... You can create a mock-up of the part you need out of a variety of easily worked materials (soap, plaster, balsa wood, wood, clay, or anything you can glue/cut/shape to make like the real part you need.

Say you need to make a part for a rail support system. You create a silicone or latex rubber mold by pouring around the mock-up part. You remove the mock-up part, and then you mix a two part solution and pour into the mold. Within minutes to hours, you have a strong hard epoxy part that you can use. In essence, you take the bulk of the fabricating and turn it into something easy. You can then drill, sand, and otherwise work the plastic into final form with hand tools.

If you get really good at making the mock-up parts, ensuring they are EXACTLY dimensioned like the part you need, and then make a good solid mold, you can produce many parts from the same mold. The closer you are to perfect size means less mechanical work on the part to 'bring it to shape' after it is removed from the mold. Need 5 of those parts... no problem! 5 identical parts in the course of an evening at home.

E-Bay has sources for the necessary materials. In many cases the products are marketed to the small-time user, or hobbyist, in smaller quantities. Take a gamble, buy a small kit, and make something. They even have an epoxy 'putty' that you can knead like bread dough, and then shape into something you need. It cures quickly, and can then be worked with hand tools. You can even press the putty into molds to make parts...

And to stay consistent with the thread... These parts can be painted!

When you decide that you CAN do this and want to proceed with making DOV adapter gg holders, rail support system parts, and the like, you can search for larger quantites to save money.

My son and I are contemplating a 'skater' dolly' project, and he has already begun plotting out the plans. Can't remember which post, but the guy made it entirely of aluminum, and did it all with HAND TOOLS (files, a jig saw, more files. What a great job he did! Asked if he would make one for someone else, I think he said NOOOOOO, too much work!

Some aluminum work, and some epoxy work would make this project a piece of cake!.

Enuf 4 now... Ask me more about casting and I can point you to the right places to see how its done, and where to get the least expensive supplies.

:beer:

mlimbolimbo
12-18-2006, 08:21 PM
Years ago someone told me that wiping or bathing aluminum in vinegar right before priming was an effective and very cheap etching treatment.

It's been a while since I have done it but I think you need to rinse it with clean water and wipe it dry with clean cloth after the vinegar.

I have done this many times and the results have always been a durable finish.

insanityfw
12-18-2006, 08:40 PM
great stuff. Thanks a million.

Chris Geukens
12-19-2006, 04:46 PM
Truly a great post, thanks for the info.

siniarch
12-19-2006, 05:03 PM
thanks for the info. I've always wonder where to get all these protective coatings. Much appreciated.

j
12-20-2006, 10:19 AM
Drano is stronger.