cinemek's g35? what happened? lol [Archive] - DVXuser.com -- The online community for filmmaking

rawfa

11-07-2006, 05:35 AM

I write Jonathan Houser from time to time and he says they are still working on it. But it's been more than an year since the initial date that it was supposed to be released. I simply don't know if they just gave up (HOPE NOT!!!) or if they are still working on their magic. It's a real shame. The footage was the most film like I've ever seen. I actualy contacted everybody I know of that have a G35 to try to buy it...but no go. People who own it know it's an amazing tool. I really don't understant why Jonathan canceled it so close to the "opening day". Macgregor has been shooting with the FX1 and XL H1 and there's NO GRAIN. He should have let the people decide. A lot 35mm adapter manufacturers give the users different options (static, pro, moving, etc). There's still a lot of people working with SD that would have bought it for sure. Actualy, there's a lot of people using HD that would have bought it (ME!!!!). I really hope the G35 comes back.

slinks

11-07-2006, 10:02 AM

thanks for the info rawfa. Yea I really was ready to get the g35 as well.

Oh well, I guess its on for the search for another adapter again. I may just end up getting the m2 when I have enough cash.

TimurCivan

11-08-2006, 09:29 AM

look at the Go35. its nearly identical in form, and performance

rawfa

11-08-2006, 09:47 AM

Not to say Go35 is a bad adapter. I've seen some nice stuff from it. But visit www.cinemek.com, check the video sample section and you'll see that the videos produced with the Go35 have nothing to do with the ones produced with the G35. There's a lot of very good adapter out there these days, but PERSONALLY (I can't stress this word enough) the G35 produces the best images (once more, this is MY personal opinion). I know, it's a static adapter, but I'm talking about the final result image wise. I have never seen any footage as film like as the ones it produces. I would definitely use many of the other available present alternatives happily (there's some serious quality products out there)...but if I HAD to choose only one I would go with the G35.

TimurCivan

11-08-2006, 09:58 AM

http://www.stickypod.com/videos/uploads/969/IMITATEIMILO.wmv\

go35

rawfa

11-08-2006, 10:07 AM

I already checked that before. I really don't think it looks as good as the G35. Just a personal opinion. I find it too soft (you can see the texture of the ground glass) and the colors are kind of flat.

BTW, the link is not working right now.

TimurCivan

11-08-2006, 10:13 AM

Dude, the stuff on the cinemek site is like webcompressed to half its origional size.if i took out of focus footage and made it smaller it sould look sharper.

The whole point of this post is to say, why are you waiting for a product that mostl likley wont be released. when yo ucan have something that resembles its performance RIGHT NOW. i mean take your pick, Brevis, Sgpro, Go35, M2...... they aperform about he same. Most of that "film look" is good use of light, and CC. The stuff i posted wasnt CCed at all. that was straght form the camera. The colors are flat because thats the proper way of capturing footage for manipulation in post. I didint do it, but ifigured people may want ot paly with the grabs and clips. so they can see for themselves.

rawfa

11-08-2006, 10:17 AM

I totally agree with you. By no means I intended to say these adapters you mentioned are bad (I REALLY like some of them) or that your footage is bad. Not at all. I really liked your footage. I'm just commenting the statement you made about the G35 and the Go35 being identical.

btw, I already tested the M2, the Brevis35 and the letus35

TimurCivan

11-08-2006, 10:26 AM

I thikn the fotage i see reminds me of the G35 when i see go35. Look in to Marty Martin's new film. he shot it on Go35, you can see it there in capable hands. Jsut so you can see what it can do. i think that "feel" the g35 adds, is relicated in go35. My opnion.. lol we agree to disagre. :)

rawfa

11-08-2006, 10:50 AM

Stop teasing me, Policar!!!!! When will you give in and sell me your G35? :D

Mtech

11-08-2006, 11:43 AM

I don't see where G35 outperforms Go35 anymore. Grain? MacGregor and even Policar (at DVInfo) have previously stated that G35 gets grainier after f2.8 and so does Go35.

I looked at low compressed Similo and Smile shorts (both my MacGregor with G35 beta) and both had similiar static grain as Go35. Look at those grabs from Amulet Man Policar posted, they also have that static grain pattern visible. Funny note: MacGregor seems to be getting a Letus adapter soon, at least he stated so at that XL-H1 forum where they are talking about that Smile short.

Most Go35 Beta stuff posted had the older diffuser with more diffusion which led to soft pictures, new one is as sharp as it gets.

G35 is amazing adapter but it's nothing THAT unique. Too bad that almost everything shot with it is done so professionally, it's hard for people to judge the adapter itself.

Note to Jim Lafferty: you must get a hold of G35 beta unit and do a side-by-side comprassion!

TimurCivan

11-08-2006, 11:48 AM

Yea i wonder if the diffuser material is the same?

Daniel Schaumberger

11-08-2006, 12:11 PM

In my opinion the G35 pics are very grainy in comparsion with my selfmade wax-gg's. If you build yourself some wax-gg's with the waxes i mentioned in my tutorial you can get better results. It depends then only which condenser lens and achromat you use.

TimurCivan

11-08-2006, 12:15 PM

sweet......

Mtech

11-08-2006, 12:19 PM

It is quite easy to make static adapter with less static grain indeed. The hard part is to get the diffusion to the right level where it's a good compromise between bokeh, grain and light loss.

Car3o

11-08-2006, 12:21 PM

I suppose the G35 had great bokeh very little grain being a static adapter. I think the Go35 will need to be in more hands to be crowned equal or greater than the G35. Did anyone do a light test with the G35?

TimurCivan

11-08-2006, 12:27 PM

The Go35 ( i know about it because i have been assisting Jim alot with it lately) is about im guessing 99% complete. that balance between Grain, lightloss and Bokeh is what needs ironing out. but think its current balance is good.

its sharp and has good bokeh, with acceptable light loss. Grain can be a problem, with the current Diffuser. but its a sacrifice that is easily overcome.

bklyndv

11-08-2006, 12:45 PM

I've been interested in doing a Go35 / G35 side by side for a while now. I would be willing to ship a test Go35 unit to someone currently shooting with a G35 Beta if they would do a fair and balanced write-up. In fact, I wrote Policar a while ago suggesting this, but his DVX was broken at the time :(

I'd also like to be given the chance to look over the results first and see if I can improve the diffuser to get to the same spot the G35 diffuser is -- as of now I'm sort of shooting in the dark at an unknown target.

To put it another way, if Policar or anyone shooting with a G35 beta could answer these questions, then I'd know where I stand:

1) What's the minimum lighting you need to comfortably shoot interiors with the G35?

2) What's the maximum aperture you can set your SLR lens to using the minimum lighting for interiors and still get a "grainless" image? In other words, I can comfortably say the Go35 has a grainless image at f/2.0 with very little light (two 40w compact fluoro lamps in a windowless room). What numbers would the G35 give?

3) What's a general understanding of the G35's light loss? 1.5 to 2 stops? More or less?

4) What is the maximum f stop the adapter can go to for bright exteriors and still appear "grainless"?

5) Can you give us the lowdown on the lens(es) and lighting for each of the above shots?

Otherwise, I'm happy with my product and stand by it, but I do feel the G35 hype is pretty carefully constructed under some very lax scrutiny relative to what other adapter's receive -- when was the last time (ever?) you saw someone shoot a res chart with the G35, or simply put it through its paces in a test environment, then show the footage at full res?

I think Mtech's comments reflect a better BS detector in action, and a more accurate understanding of how these adapters compare.

- jim

bklyndv

11-08-2006, 12:49 PM

It is quite easy to make static adapter with less static grain indeed. The hard part is to get the diffusion to the right level where it's a good compromise between bokeh, grain and light loss.
This is exactly right. With the materials I'm working with, grain, bokeh, light loss and sharpness are interrelated. The Go35 Beta units were one thing, and I have made four revisions of the diffuser since then, each of them getting comments from purchasers that have helped me nail where I feel a good compromise can be made.

I think the current diffuser, the one Timur and a few others have, bests the beta diffuser in sharpness and light loss, but loses out slightly in grain. I'm currently making a new batch that will slice the margin between them even thinner.

- jim

Mtech

11-08-2006, 12:50 PM

Guys like MacGregor are the "secret" weapon of G35. If he would have gotten the original Letus35 beta adapter everyone would be running around crazy buying amazing used first gen Letus35 adapters because the best 35mm adapter footage has been produced with them...

rawfa

11-08-2006, 12:54 PM

Hey Jim, any news on the Go35 with the moving mechanism?

slinks

11-08-2006, 01:44 PM

o0o0o a side by side comparison would be nice. I wish norm or whoever can do a part 2 of the 35mm adapter Shootout but with more adapters this time around.

TimurCivan

11-08-2006, 02:06 PM

Policar

11-08-2006, 02:08 PM

Jim,

The G35 definitely does lose some resolution, although I saw test charts posted where it literally looked like it didn't lose any. For some reason, it gets a lot sharper once you stop the dvx's lens down to f4.0 or f5.6 from wide open, but at wide open there's definitely a loss of sharpness.

As for static grain, most of what you see on the images I posted is the result of boosting levels in post, thus the dvx's noise. In the lamp you'll see some static grain, though, and also on the white bathroom whiles a tiny bit. Both shot at f2.0 I believe. At f1.4 it's much harder to notice.

Also, my DVX is working now! But I'm at school until Thanksgiving. I'd still consider putting the two side by side then, though. From what I've seen it should be close. And the G35 loses a lot of light, for the record, but I haven't measured it in stops. It "feels" like 100ISO or maybe 64ISO even, but the thing is that you have to stop the dvx down a bit to get sharpness, so it's worse than this if you want a sharp image.

TimurCivan

11-08-2006, 02:14 PM

the static dffuser adapters are nearly resolution lossless. I mean i shot a test char with the Go35, @ full open on all lenses. in the "dark". and it still read 540 lines. i think i posted the grabs somewhere, if not i will make some more tonight.

but ths time im gonna light it properly so it should read the proper 550.

11-08-2006, 04:45 PM

>For some reason, it gets a lot sharper once you
> stop the dvx's lens down to f4.0 or f5.6 from wide open,

It sounds like the DVX might be focused just before or after the GG. Could it be that once you stop it down, the greater DOF of the higher f-stop extends the focus "envelope" enough to bring the GG into sharp focus? Perhaps you might need a stronger achromat or diopter...?

-j

TimurCivan

11-08-2006, 04:57 PM

most likely.

Thomas J. O'Hara

11-08-2006, 06:05 PM

doesn't the lens you use make a big difference too?
it seems like not many tests are being done with really high quality lenses. or at least there's not much emphasis on them.

i could be wrong, maybe it doesn't make a big difference...:huh:

TimurCivan

11-08-2006, 06:30 PM

it does. maybe like Zeiss primes would be overkill, but good lenses are needed to reduce vingetting, chroma abberasion etc.

Ill Eagle

11-09-2006, 03:04 AM

I can vouch for the Go35 to a T. I just recieved my new diffuser but haven't had the chance to test it out yet. I've been extremely busy since I got my Go35 as it has increased offers ten fold. Don't believe me?? Look how many posts I had before I got my Go35 compared to after I got one, it's really gotten me wonderful opportunities.......

TimurCivan

11-09-2006, 04:38 PM

just got a job with it. :)

slinks

11-10-2006, 08:48 AM

so as of now the adapters out there are:

moving GG:

-redrock m2 sd bundle $995.00 HD bundle $1295.00
http://redrockmicro.com/

-brevis hd bundle $1,120.00
http://www.cinevate.com/

- SGpro - $820 HD ready. This does not include lens mount.
http://www.sgpro.co.uk/pages/home/homeframeset.html

-Letus35 Flip Enhanced $700
http://www.letus35.com/page3.html

static adapters:

-Go35 $650
www.go-35.com

and I know there are a couple of other static adapters out there but i cant seem to find them.

bklyndv

11-10-2006, 09:56 AM

The Go35 is $650.00. $30.00 shipping/handling for domestic orders.

I don't think the Letus is static.

ovjamaica

11-10-2006, 10:17 AM

I don't think the Letus is static either

Spartacus

11-10-2006, 10:41 AM

so,
are there any official statements from cinemek when to expect the release...?

Chris Messineo

11-10-2006, 12:23 PM

so,
are there any official statements from cinemek when to expect the release...?
Unfortunately, there hasn't been an official statement from Cinemek in many, many months.

I got to play briefly with a beta G35 adapter and it was a thing of beauty. I'm afraid the production models are quickly becoming urban myth. :(

Chris

Wayne Kinney

11-10-2006, 01:05 PM

- SGpro - £430 $820 HD ready. This does not include lens mount.
http://www.sgpro.co.uk/pages/home/homeframeset.html

Thomas J. O'Hara

11-10-2006, 04:41 PM

badlaa

11-10-2006, 04:46 PM

- SGpro - £430 $820 HD ready. This does not include lens mount.
http://www.sgpro.co.uk/pages/home/homeframeset.html

So how much is the total cost with for example the Nikon F mount?

Wayne Kinney

11-10-2006, 05:18 PM

Hi,

SGpro Nikon F £480 ($920). This includes the 15mm rods support with QR sliding plate and HD achromat.

TimurCivan

11-10-2006, 05:58 PM

worth every penny. seriously. wait till you use it.

slinks

11-10-2006, 08:23 PM

yea sorry im on crack....letus is moving GG

rawfa

11-11-2006, 03:17 AM

I email Jon from time to time, and he's still working on getting these production G35 units out.

he told me he's waiting for some concrete dates before he can make any official announcements.

i bought a brevis, but I'm still keeping tabs on the G35...if it's taken this long, it's gonna be AMAZING!

Yes, that is what I'm hopping for too. If it's better than it was before it'll be mind blowing...and it kind of HAS to be because the 35mm adapter market is VERY competitive these days, with very very good moving solutions around 900$. When it first came out the only quality competition was the M2 (around the same price). Now we have loads of other adapters that can do a very good job. It's been so long that the preassure for something amazing must be incredible. I'll be crossing my fingers for Jonathan. Whenever we spoke he was always a great sport.

On a different matter, people here said that it would have been nice to have seen images from people who are not professionals like Macgregor. When the cinemek's website was fully functional there was loads of full resolution HOME videos that looked simply amazing. So, the excuse that the G35 footage only looked good because it was compressed in a small quicktime window and because it was shot by professional film makers doesn't quiet fly.

different solutions for different needs and tastes

flipsidekrew

11-11-2006, 06:17 AM

Hey rawfa, what number are in line for the preorder list? I hope they'll release the final product sometime before March.

rawfa

11-11-2006, 12:35 PM

I'm like number 87. Our friend tjohara99 here is numero uno ;)

Akube

11-11-2006, 12:45 PM

i'm 121 (i think) for the g35.

I gave up on it a month ago after i saw the bokeh results and hardly any grain from the sgpro.rev2's footage here.

i'll be receiving my sgpro soon. already got me 3 primes and a zoom in canon fd. I still beleive that no matter what tool you use.. you can acheive the impossible by your brilliance and creativity.

Spartacus

11-11-2006, 03:10 PM

Hi,

SGpro Nikon F £480 ($920). This includes the 15mm rods support with QR sliding plate and HD achromat.

So the PL mount is 380$ ???
The thing is I´m planning to get the new Zeiss primes with PL mount to also use them on my Canon DSLR with a PL adapter...
What about the FD mount, will you make one?

TimurCivan

11-11-2006, 03:19 PM

he does make a FD mount. i have one. I kinda want a PL mount for Professional reasons. :) !!!!

that thing wil besick!

Wayne Kinney

11-11-2006, 04:08 PM

So the PL mount is 380$ ???
The thing is I´m planning to get the new Zeiss primes with PL mount to also use them on my Canon DSLR with a PL adapter...
What about the FD mount, will you make one?

Hello,

Yes, Canon FD mount can be seen here:

http://www.sgpro.co.uk/pages/setuptut/01small.jpg

The PL and OCT-19 mounts are now both finished and we will be releasing on the 1st December. It will be the most affordable PL/OCT-19 - HD ready 35mm adapter out there @ £730 ($1300). This includes the SGpro Rev2 adapter with HD ready achromat, PL or OCT19 lens mount and 15mm rods support system with QR sliding plate.

The full list of mounts available for the SGpro:

(fully interchangeable, no GG adjustment necessary):

Canon FD

Canon EOS/EF

M42

Contax

Leica R

Leica M39

Minolta MD

Nikon F

Olympus OM

Pentax K

PL mount (released in 1 month)

OCT-19 mount (released in 1 month)

insanityfw

11-11-2006, 04:21 PM

Wow, Wayne that's a hell of a package for that price.

I just watched the BLUE footage. Was that shot with the Rev2 HD? Looked really good.

Wayne Kinney

11-11-2006, 04:40 PM

Wow, Wayne that's a hell of a package for that price.

I just watched the BLUE footage. Was that shot with the Rev2 HD? Looked really good.

Yes it was indeed.

Spartacus

11-12-2006, 07:25 AM

So,
are all mounts 380$/are all Kits with mount 1300$?

Wayne Kinney

11-12-2006, 08:05 AM

So,
are all mounts 380$/are all Kits with mount 1300$?

No, the mounts are different prices. As stated in a previous post:

SGpro with Nikon F mout £480 ($920). This includes the 15mm rods support with QR sliding plate and HD achromat.

In this case, a Nikon F mount is £50.

bigshinyspoon

03-02-2007, 07:56 PM

so witch one is the best static like go35 or the rest? for the price is it great? cause i want to buy one but they seems to do the same thing.

TimurCivan

03-02-2007, 10:41 PM

i have a go35 its very nice. i jsut tested it, it actually works quite well even up to 720P.

tkmslee

03-11-2008, 11:26 AM

So what did happen to the G35 Cinemek adapter? I have sen them countless e-mails and absolutely no responses. How hard is it to make a bunch of adapters...really?

rawfa

03-16-2008, 03:03 AM

The first people who pre-ordered should be receiving their G35s by now. I'm looking forward to checking out footage from your everyday average shooter...image wizards like Macgregor can shoot something with his cellphone and make it look filmic.

rawfa

03-17-2008, 04:46 AM

Nobody?...Really?

flipsidekrew

03-19-2008, 04:32 PM

i'll be sure to post some footage when I get mine.

Beat Takeshi

03-19-2008, 07:43 PM

I returned mine for the Brevis a while ago.

SimonB

03-19-2008, 08:44 PM

I returned mine for the Brevis a while ago.

Serious or hating?lol

Oedipax

03-20-2008, 05:00 AM

SGpro with Nikon F mount £480 ($920)

I'm feeling some nostalgia for the old U.S. dollar here :)

Wayne Kinney

03-20-2008, 05:05 AM

Hehe, yeah. That post was made in 2006 :)

The SGpro with rods support and Nikon mount is now £444 ($879).

Beat Takeshi

03-20-2008, 02:44 PM

Serious or hating?lol

Nah, I never had one and almost plunked down money on it but didn't because they were not ready to take any yet. Then other adapters came out and that was that.

hungrych

04-23-2008, 09:07 PM

Any updates on this?

flipsidekrew

04-28-2008, 04:19 PM

Seems like everything is once again in the down low until further notice. *Sigh* maybe in another few weeks we can get more info.

ecking

04-28-2008, 05:35 PM

Seems like everything is once again in the down low until further notice. *Sigh* maybe in another few weeks we can get more info.

Why hold out for it? There are plenty of good adapters currently shipping.

flipsidekrew

05-06-2008, 02:18 AM

I'm still getting used to focusing in and out with the G35 but heres a screen shot
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/p0gipn0i/Sequence1.png

ryvac

05-06-2008, 02:36 AM

is this shot with the new G35?

flipsidekrew

05-06-2008, 07:07 AM

yes, i will upload some footage when i get the time.

ecking

05-06-2008, 08:36 AM

How did you get a new G35? Because it seems like what was once almost real has against disapated into vapour.

hoarp001

05-06-2008, 08:45 AM

http://www.cinemek.com/?products

How come the camera mount is wedged over the cameras focus ring in that photo... that dosnt seem very good at all, is it not physicicaly joined on, or does it just wedge on and hold on with friction?

flipsidekrew

05-06-2008, 09:27 AM

i don't know from that picture, but from my understanding the G35 mount is suppose to mounts into the camera the same the Lens Hood mounts into the camera. Currently I'm using a universal 72mm mount, which screws into the DVX where you normally use for UV filters, until the DVX mount is finished and ready.

ecking

05-06-2008, 09:33 AM

How much did it cost you? Why did you get one? Why is there no info about this or even an update to the website and yet someone has one? This really isn't adding up, the g35 guy came back, made a big push (apparently at sundance) and then everything went quiet again.

And suddenly someone has a shipping model.

Do these people not want to make money?

flipsidekrew

05-06-2008, 09:43 AM

Right now they're just working out some of the minor kinks to perfect the adaptor but im sure very soon. The only issue thats bothering me is the release button for the Nikon lens which is hard to push down, but that should be taken care of once the final product is released. I think everything is just being finalized right now. Overall they want to ensure a product that produces a quality image that everyone will be satisfied with. Anyways heres some more screen shots. I used a Nikon 50mm lens

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/p0gipn0i/g53shot2.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/p0gipn0i/g35shot3.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/p0gipn0i/g35shot4.png