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Tex In Motion
10-27-2006, 12:22 PM
We want to capture 60 fps, but without touching the camera on reloads, so that it stays locked in place. Can't afford the FS-100, so is there another way?

We've tried:
A) Good tripod: sometimes, but if I'm not super careful, the micro-nudge is too much, since the scene is calibrated very exactly (need precision for research).

B) DV Rack HD: they confirmed that we'd stumbled on a bug. In 720/60p and set to a framerate of 60fps, DV Rack only captures 30fps (and doubles them). They're working on a fix, but after waiting 2 weeks, we bought a P2 card instead... nice product otherwise though!

C) Homebrew software: can't find a driver that lets Windows or Linux see the firewire signal from the HVX. People have posted here complaining of the same thing. We can write capture software for other firewire cameras whose drivers give access to the live feed, I'm unable to find one from Panasonic (nor from 3rd party).

Have I missed a cool trick? Maybe another piece of software? Or maybe there's a way to hack a remote control to let us in and out of PC mode?




P.S. Some FYI's on slowmo for beginners (dvxuser & gear in hand helped me):
- Most people film to a P2 card, pop it out and into a laptop (camera shake).
- Other people (like me) who don't mind waiting between takes, record to the P2 card, then with the USB (or Firewire, though that's super-slow on my XP box! manual warns of this...) cable connected, I can _gently_ push the button on the back to put the cam into PC Mode. So far so good, but to resume filming, manual explains that you have to power-cycle the whole camera!
- DV Rack HD software costs about the same as 1 P2 card, and would have been perfect, except for the bug. As people explain throughout this forum, 60 (or other > 30) different frames / second get recorded one-by-one in 720/24pn and 720/30pn mode, but those modes don't send a signal out of the firewire port, so DV Rack has no incoming data. The answer is 720/60p mode, which should fill each of 60 slots with different images (or varying numbers of duplicates if you're shooting at < 60fps).
- We can now read the MXF format and dump to still images or .avi of some existing codec, but can't find a way access the camera's live feed, and not for a lack of trying.

THoff
10-27-2006, 01:08 PM
You could capture using Edius Broadcast or Final Cut Pro.

Jason Ramsey
10-27-2006, 01:12 PM
Broadcast should do it no problem. You can download the lates trial version, which I am pretty sure has the broadcast features (meaning hvx support). It'll give ya 30 days for free.

Jason

Tex In Motion
10-29-2006, 05:51 AM
Will test out the trial, though I'd written off Edius because of Jim Arthurs' post (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=555792&postcount=15) about it converting black to RGB = 15, 15, 15. (Side note: I'd been a big fan of Canopus, buying over 20 of their DV Raptor cards in my day.)

FCP is sure to grab all 60fps and not change the colors? Good to know for the next round of computer-purchases, but the price of a Mac + FCP leaves the FS-100 solution looking "economical" near term.

Glad that there ARE solutions to my problem, and big thanks to you guys for the responses. Am still hoping someone will pipe up with a clever idea under $1k, since I don't need new editing or storage capabilities, just a driver or(essentially) more buttons on the remote control :)

BenB
10-29-2006, 10:47 AM
How important is the work you're doing?

Tex In Motion
10-29-2006, 11:34 AM
Well, it won't save any burning orphanages, so I try not to ask myself that question too often :) I'm a scientist, so getting the colors and calibration right is worth the extra leg-work (about 1+ hr per P2 reload) to get accurate data.

Like other labors of love, putting a price tag on that hour of a researcher's time wouldn't even compete with minimum wage...but if this works, we'll be able to use the HVX as a kind of high-speed laser-range scanner.