Congrats to JDS

[Barry_Green]

Let me take a moment to say congrats to Jack Daniel Stanley. He's made four short films in his life, and has quite a track record:

His first film took 2nd place in our ZombieFest.
His second film took 2nd place in our Sci-Fest.
His third film took 1st place in our HeroFest.
And his fourth film took 1st place in our HorrorFest.

Quite a track record. As Hudson and some others have said, he's probably outgrown our six-minute festival.

I agree.

I've had my eye on JDS since "Shed"; for a first-timer to produce something like that was just amazing. To do so in the face of a hurricane that wiped out everything he owned is inspiring. And he hasn't slowed down, hasn't skipped a beat, just gotten better and refined his craft. His understanding of character and art direction and visual storytelling is first-rate. He goes full-bore even with no budget and no funds; the man cannot be stopped.

It's time to see what he can do in a longer form.

Which is why I'm pleased to announce that my company is signing Jack to direct a full-length low-budget feature film that we will be funding.

This contest provided the stiffest competition yet, and in some ways I was hoping someone else would win so it wouldn't be all-Jack all-the-time :) but the guy went and won again... so congratulations Jack, this is a big night, and it just got a bit bigger.

A large part of my relocation to NC was to establish a new business, and we hope to be involving DVXUser members along the way. David Jimerson is my business partner; we've just launched our first product (The HVX BootCamp DVD) and we have more products in development with a select group of DVXUser members. The talent and skill level on this board is amazing, and we're grateful to have a family like this to work with. Thank you all for your participation in the fests, and for the knowledge you all freely share with all of us every day. I've met some amazing people through this board. You never know who is watching, who is listening, and where it might lead. For Jack it just led to him getting his first full-length film project underway. :thumbsup:

So, JDS, once again, congrats. Take this night to celebrate, 'cause come Monday we have to get to work! :)

[Michael_Petro]

way to go jacK :)

[Weston]

wow....i wondered what you meant by that comment in the other thread. Thats great! Congrats again jack..

[Norm Sanders]

Woohoo! Way to go Jack & Barry as well! Very excited to see where this will lead for the both of you individually, as well as collectively!

[Kyle Stebbins]

Sweeeet!!!!

[Edgen]

I better be buying some movie tickets here soon to the silver screen to watch your stuff in action. :)

git em jack!

/j

[David Jimerson]

Congrats, Jack!

[macintosh]

Congratulations on all of your accomplishments Jack! Good luck on your feature.

[Cryogenic Filmworks]

Wow that rocks. Jack has certainly shown his talent in the last few fests and his ability to attract talented people to help him see his dreams.
:thumbsup:

Looking forward to the feature.

[vidled]

Wow, great announcement, Barry; and congrats Jack, on Rekindled and the new gig!

[TheatreGuy]

Wow! What an amazing opportunity to watch these seeds get planted.

The inspirations in myself are just boiling over.

Thank you all for accepting my first-time effort with the enthusiasm that I received. I cannot wait to challenge myself again. This has been one of the top 10 events in my life!

Congratulations Jack! Congratulations Mark!

Congrats to all! It has been a genuine privilege to part of this fest and this community!

'til we meet again!

Ted

[Kholi]

Holy Crap. That's so dope.

Congrats to Jack... and Barry...

PLEASE TELL US MORE ABOUT THE PROJECT ASAP!!!

Loglines, Synopsis. PLEASEE!!!

By the way: I can totally understand the move to NC to establish a business. Starting in southern territories is a great thing at this time, and I hope to go back to Georgia to do the same.

DVXuser r0x.

[Brandon Rice]

:) Go get em' Jack. You got the skilz

[Norm Sanders]

:) Go get em' Jack. You got the skilz

Eh, if you say so. :evil:

[Sacksnack]

You came to the chocolate factory thinking you might get a lifetime supply of chocolate, and you ended up with the whole factory. Congratulations Charlie, err, I mean Jack.

-Kevin

[Tim Miller]

Congrats Jack...well deserved.

[jpbankesmercer]

Way to go Jack!

[Mark Johnson]

Beautiful, Jack. Most heartfelt and sincere congratulations from me too.

If you need any VFX don't forget an old bud on the west coast!!!!

[Matt Sconce]

Woohoo!!!! I am so stoked for ya bud! Hard work paid off eh?

[Dario Nieva]

Amazing. Great job man, you totally deserve it.

Barry, you still own. Keep it up ;)

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

You came to the chocolate factory thinking you might get a lifetime supply of chocolate, and you ended up with the whole factory. Congratulations Charlie, err, I mean Jack.

-Kevin
You know ... that is exactly how I feel.

Barry and David thank you so much, it's quite obviously a dream come true. If there's one person who is perhaps more elated than me its my girlfriend who HATES working on movies and producing, but does it anyway just because she's better than any man deserves. But this means, at least for the duration of this project, no more painting our living room or moving all of our stuff to the basement, etc.

So again many thanks Barry and David, but I also have to thank DVXuser. The members and mods here have kept me going and inspired me greatly.

And of course a very big thanks to Jarred as well. Thanks for the backyard and the support and ton more :thumbsup:

Cheers all
:beer:
Jack

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Also ... could not have done this latest efffort to a fraction of the degree that we pulled it off without my insane Co-producer/Co-Dp/VFX master Mark Johnson.

There are some killer shots for the final cut that weren't in the contest cut ... so those are coming soon.

Thanks again Mark :beer: :beer: :beer:

[mameragex]

:thumbup:Hay Jack! After you're done taking pictures with the new HVX don't forget to call me for the shipping address to my house! LOL:beer:

[Charli]

Congrats on the feature, Jack. Good luck.

[Jaime V]

Wow that is great news. Congratulations again Jack! Looking forward to the feature. I'm sure you'll keep us all updated as much as you can. :)

[MOVIE MASTER]

congrats

[Barry_S]

I think you can easily quibble over the Horrorfest exact rankings, but you have to admit that Jack is very talented, dedicated to his craft and agressively pursuing his career in filmmaking. You can't argue that Jack won't put that HVX to good use and come up with some great stuff. Not to say there aren't some other incredibly talented filmmakers around here.

I'm looking forward to see this JDS/Barry Green joint and look for my cameo as a dismembered rotting corpse. :) My congratulations to Jack and Mark and the rest of his talented cast and crew.

[Mark Johnson]

Very well said, Barry.

[Chris Messineo]

Congratulations Jack! It's well deserved.

Chris

[Steve_Arm]

Gongratulations from me too and good luck to your creative trip in high def video.

[thartley]

Congratulations, Jack...on all accounts! When you got it, you got it! :beer:

[insanityfw]

Big congratulations Jack!!!

This turned out how it should... and now on to bigger and better things. I can't wait to see what transpires.

Best,

Jason

[Texture]

Congratulations Jack! Your determination is awe inspiring. If you keep going like this you'll be governor of California within the next 20 years! Go man, Go!

Erik

[Ramon Boutviseth]

congrats jack!

[Kirk Gillock]

Way to go, Jack! You are a filmmaking juggernaut. DVXuser will have to retire your jersey number after this.

Good luck with the feature.

[Paul Coleman]

Congrats Jack, Barry, and David. We are witnessing the formation of an indie studio. :thumbup: :beer:

[Steve Strickland]

Way to go Jack! Rekindled, as all of your other shorts, was really well done. Keep the train rolling, man. I can't wait to say "I remember back when he made Shed for the DVX fest in 2005.":beer:

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Haha!
thanks guys :grin:

Barry and I are hard at work narrowing down some material now :thumbsup:

[EJ Pennypacker]

Major congrats JDS. And I'm not surprised this has happened to you :)

EJ

[TheatreGuy]

Haha!
thanks guys :grin:

Barry and I are hard at work narrowing down some material now :thumbsup:
Oooh! Exciting!!!

[Daniel Skubal]

Holy cow! Congrats Jack! You deserve it man!

[jeremytuttle]

Congrats Jack, Barry, and David. We are witnessing the formation of an indie studio. :thumbup: :beer:

And it's gonna kick some a$$.

Congrats guys... I can't wait to see what your collaborations bring.

[mcgeedigital]

Awesome news, what a great community we have here!

Congrats Jack!

[HorseFilms]

I can't wait to see the final product. Congrats, everyone!:beer:

[Paul Coleman]

And it's gonna kick some a$$.

Amen.:beer:

[Jay Rodriguez]

wow Jack, congrats man....... WOW

[Larry Rutledge]

I think Jack is a Hack and nothing good can come of this collaboration!





HA HA :evil: :grin: just kidding of course!

Jack, you da' man! :thumbsup: AWESOME NEWS!!!

Can't wait to see what y'all come up with!

And, congrats on the win as well...it is, as always, well deserved :thumbsup:

Peace,
Larry

[JoshuaNitschke]

That is so awesome. Congrats Jack. :D

[hvxabuser]

how much money is on the project?

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Hard to say as yet since we are still looking at material.
Barry's mantra has been that "everyone is paid" however.

I do know it's a subject of interest since most of us think about budget and wonder what's the bare minimum it would take to self produce or that we would have to convice someone else to cough up. As director for hire, all I know is that it's less than Hellraiser or Reservoir Dogs (a million) and more than El Mariachi or Sex Machine (7k and 10k respectively).

...Sex Machine is another great looking indie feature out of Austin which was shot on the DVX http://www.sexmachinemovie.com/ but I don't think it's had wide festival release yet.

[Slimothy]

Keep us posted Jack and Congrats!

[Herman Witkam]

Congrats again, Jack!

Btw - IMDb-pro says that the total budget for El Mariachi is estimated $220K, but it also says that's "after post-production".

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Yah, after it was acquired for distribution it was blown up to 35mm and the sound was redone.

But film, much as it looks now when you rent it, was shot and completed for $7K and that was what was screened at Sundance that got them the blowup and distribution deal.

Same for Open Water, some recording and whatnot was done after festival release before distribution that would elevate its budget of 100K. Both films wear their low budgets as badges of honor and used them for festival buzz.

[asphaltplanet]

Hey Congratulations and thanks for the comments about Sex Machine.

We actually made that for $8,016. We were trying to make it for $7K but we went over budget. We had no idea what we were doing, but overall I'm pretty proud of it.

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

I've been dying to see it!
The trailer looks great.
Is there a DVD for sale?

[asphaltplanet]

Not yet. We are polishing up sound and a few details here and there before the DVD release which will hopefully be happening very soon. It's weird because we made the movie so long ago and it's just now finally getting out there.

[Herman Witkam]

Love the progressive rock in the teaser trailer!

[Blaine]

Kind of late to the party. I've been so busy the last week that I hadn't even seen this thread until just now. Congratulations, Jack...:beer: Git-r-done.

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Thanks Blaine!

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Hey Congratulations and thanks for the comments about Sex Machine.

We actually made that for $8,016. We were trying to make it for $7K but we went over budget. We had no idea what we were doing, but overall I'm pretty proud of it. wow ... I just realized this was your first post ...
That was quick. Do you have a feature that lets you know when others link to your site?

You should start a thread for your film here
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/forumdisplay.php?f=96
It's the user's films subforum ... its free until you are selling DVD's and then its $20 per month. Your film helped inspire me to get started with the DVX, and I admire that you went out and just did it for 8K, so I will def. help you pimp it there in the user film section.

Also if you need help in sound or music, you should talk to Herman who scored Rekindled and scored and mixed the second place film Bloody Mary. Herman is the shiznit.

[jeremytuttle]

Another ultra low-budget movie that I thought was great was one called Primer and was made for 7K. Granted the guy wrote, produced, directed, starred, shot, it and even did the music for it (kinda like TheaterGuy :) ) But it did a good festival run and you can get it on DVD so it was a success and definitely got the guy noticed.

[Kholi]

Good Festival run?

Look at the DVD cover... It had the kind of Sundance run indie's dream of, and this guy comes out of nowhere.

Purchase the soundtrack on iTunes for 8.00. Shane Carruth did, in fact, compose it and it's got a real Jon Brion thick over it's tones: hauntingly optimistic, if I had to describe it.

Interesting tidbit: They had no room/time/money for reshooting scenes so most of those are one-takes on 16mm.

Obviously doesn't take a rocket scientist to make a good movie, but maybe a great engineer out of the mid-west?

Err... back on topic--

GO JACK!!! When do you guys tell us about the project?

[asphaltplanet]

Hey Jack - Thanks for the tips and I started a thread here, so as not to derail this one with my rambling...
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=737853#post737853

I actually used to be really involved in these forums... a long time ago, probably up until we started making the movie and then I got so busy, my forum surfing time got cut way down. It's very cool to see how DVXUSER has expanded and evolved.

And yeah, i was checking my stats and noticed a bunch of visits from this thread so I decided to drop by and see what people were saying... hoping it wasn't anything too bad.

But yeah, we just decided it was now or never. We HAD to make it and we did.

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Awesome. I just left you a post there.

[mameragex]

Hay JDS!

Congrats on the win and all dood! Can't wait to see what you & Berry G cook up. Just wanted to say it again! Oh and by the way I just need you to take a deep look at this picture........................................... ..

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/8/8/160418/givemeyocam.gif

Did it work? heh heh If it didn't......Uh YOU DON"T SEE NOTHIN....LOL:evil:

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

lol, you're awesome at that stuff man ... wow ...

That looks really cool ... oof ... wait ... getting drowsy ... spinning colors ... must give ... must give H .... eyelids getting heavy, getttying haard totyope .. must give H V .... headdd heavvvy .... fallllllkling aslkllkeeep ... headd nearingg keylbaord .... must ... give ... H ... V .... paoisd*snore* hpoihassodhpihpoishpd *snore*ajslankdjl nkjalkjnnnnnnnn nnnnna aal*snore*ASASDKLK:saskldj;w2o ohclsdgliuashdlsdiuhflksajdhaldssokjh OKjhsdoKjhsdjsjs LKJ clsDKJjZkScjSKd .....

[mameragex]

WHohooooo!!!! I knew it would work!!! I mean yeah just look at it it's:Drogar-Shock(DBG): freaaakin:shocked: awzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:Drogar-KnockedOut(D

[taubkin]

Congrats, Jack! I remember we cheering for you while you posted your hurricane status, in zombiefest. It payed off, to go to all the trouble to finish it, afterall. The good thing about seeing you win all the time over here is that we can be certain it was well deserved. To know you'll be working with Barry green... Wow, what a team! I want to see that film!

You're a true talent man, I'm happy to see things taking off!

Best of Luck, and remember your virtual friends, dude!

[Brandon Rice]

News?

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Taubkin ... it's great to hear from you. I hope you enter Drama fest!

Brandon, We are just trying to nail down what we wanna shoot right now.

I don't wanna say what we have cooking yet because it might fall through.

We both wanna get through this stage and get into pre-production and production as soon as possible, but we both feel strongly that the script is probably our most important element.

We are trying a variety of approaches to get there though.

Thanks for the interest and I wish I had more exciting news for you.

Once we have the material locked down then we can start one of those user film threads I guess, like with a name and a log line and all! Woohoo! But that's a bit down the road for now :thumbsup:

[Jason Ramsey]

Will this be an hvx shoot, or a film shoot, or...

Jason

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Most likely HVX. Barry mentioned at some point that it could even be film if it had to be film, i.e., that would clearly serve the story better than H.D. or the concept was somehow wrapped up in film.

But 99.9% probably HVX unless Barry wants to step in and correct me on that.

But that is something I'm considering with the material, what media its best suited for / what media serves it (the story) best.

[Jason Ramsey]

Cool. It'd be great if it was the HVX, just for... well obvious reasons, but your line after the / says it best.

Best wishes. And with that I'm sleepin now.

Later
Jason

[dvpixl]

it should only be shot with HVX if not RED because you need to make a statement about the indie spirit. how could most of us relate or support if it was shot on film? then it'd be like any other movie.... not that it should matter...

anyway, can't wait to see things move forward.

[Matthew Stanley]

Thanks for the bump lol. I am a composer willing to work for free of charge on soundtracks or any element of post production audio really.

Matt
www.myspace.com/mattstanleymusic (http://www.myspace.com/mattstanleymusic)
matt.stanley@hotmail.com

[wesley]

great news, already excited to see the film :D

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Haha thanks Wesley :)

I may be meeting with Barry in person on Sunday (he has a layover in NY)

Hopefully some cool things will fall into place that we can share with you before the New Year. :beer:

[Jason Ramsey]

Looking forward to hearing those details. Hope all continues to go well for you.

Jason

[arielman]

Way to go Jack ..CONGRATS!!!
Ian

[abraham]

God I'm so embarassed I just posted this in the wrong thread and deleted it...the Katrina thread -- a wonderful thread don't get me wrong...jesus.

doesn't look like this thread has gone too stale -- I haven't been to dvxuser in a while, but Mr. Stanley and Mr. Green, what you're doing sounds damned great, I hope the collaboration works out really well. I'd be interested to hear how the idea exchange tends to take place.

But does this mean no three-peat with drama?? I was hoping to man our thread alongside a two-time champeen! I say your record ain't squat til you've done at least...seven different genres.

(and if timur civan asks...his poster IS amazing.)

[Jason Ramsey]

So, when are we gonna see the JDS/Barry Green UserFilm thread? If you guys wait much longer, you'll be shooting on the RED. Or maybe that is the plan? :)

Do that with the next one.

Really though, I hope you guys are moving along ok with the project, as I am anxious to follow the process.

Jason

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

God I'm so embarassed I just posted this in the wrong thread and deleted it...the Katrina thread -- a wonderful thread don't get me wrong...jesus.

doesn't look like this thread has gone too stale -- I haven't been to dvxuser in a while, but Mr. Stanley and Mr. Green, what you're doing sounds damned great, I hope the collaboration works out really well. I'd be interested to hear how the idea exchange tends to take place.

But does this mean no three-peat with drama?? I was hoping to man our thread alongside a two-time champeen! I say your record ain't squat til you've done at least...seven different genres.

(and if timur civan asks...his poster IS amazing.)
As for the exchange not much to report right now, just passing scripts back and forth.

As for the threepeat, I can't deny that I feel the call of the fest, but I've had my share of fun for a while :)

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

So, when are we gonna see the JDS/Barry Green UserFilm thread? If you guys wait much longer, you'll be shooting on the RED. Or maybe that is the plan? :)

Do that with the next one.

Really though, I hope you guys are moving along ok with the project, as I am anxious to follow the process.

Jason
We're progressing ok. The finding a script / script development stage can be slow and methodical and directly relates to when you see a UserFilm thread for us.

Basically when we have a script that we are sure we are taking to production, then you will see a UserFilm thread from us. No guarantee, but could be by the New Year. :thumbsup:

Thanks for the continued interest guys.

[Tom Marshall]

Hey Jack... where are you planning on shooting the film? In New York or where Barry is (North Carolina, correct?) - or ? Let me know if you're going to be auditioning actors in the Los Angeles area. I'd love to come audition! :)

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

We were just discussing that today.

N.C. is a strong possibility but it could be anywhere.

If there's auditions in your area then you're on. But follow what we are up to and remind us you're interested if it turns out we are gonna be out there. I'll probably forget to follow up on my end, since that'll be a ways away and my brain is the size of a peanut.

Thanks for the interest :beer:

[Jason Ramsey]

You don't want to have auditions in Troy, AL? :)

Any clues on the genre you're planning on shooting?


Jason

[Tom Marshall]

Hey Jack, you got it... :beer:

I'm subscribing to this thread... and regardless of who's cast, I know the project will be great. Look who's helming it... :)

[Brandon Rice]

Jack, if you're shooting in LA, you KNOW I want to be a part of it, somehow, some way!

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

You don't want to have auditions in Troy, AL? :)

Any clues on the genre you're planning on shooting?


Jason

In dream world we'd be wrapped and shopping it in six months.

I think that's about as fast as it could happen.

Right now we are in a valuable but painstaking development process.

Once we get over that hurdle things can run on a set schedule (or so it seems to me) until we get to casting, and then again things may slow while we get it "just right".

As the experience producer Barry might know better, but it seems like the picking and developing the script takes as long as it takes, but then you hire technical and creative personnel based on their body of work for the work you want them to do, we're talking DP, Art Director, etc. But then once you get to casting again you have to take as long as it takes (within reason of course)

So we are couple of stages more away from setting a shooting date I think.

[Neil Rowe]

stages! stages! ... we dont need no stinking stages! hey congrats jack. i know you guys are going to put together a great picture. lookng forward to watching it in the future. :)

[Tom Marshall]

In dream world we'd be wrapped and shopping it in six months.

I think that's about as fast as it could happen.

Right now we are in a valuable but painstaking development process.

Once we get over that hurdle things can run on a set schedule (or so it seems to me) until we get to casting, and then again things may slow while we get it "just right".

As the experience producer Barry might know better, but it seems like the picking and developing the script takes as long as it takes, but then you hire technical and creative personnel based on their body of work for the work you want them to do, we're talking DP, Art Director, etc. But then once you get to casting again you have to take as long as it takes (within reason of course)

So we are couple of stages more away from setting a shooting date I think.

Casting is, arguably, the most important aspect of having a good finished product. I learned this the hard way with the short that I did (which was meant to compete in Horrorfest.) It was hard to direct because of the cast. But you have to learn that lesson somehow, I suppose...

[Simon Höfer]

Puh... I just clicked JDS's banner in his signature and after browsing his website I ended up here reading the 10 pages of this thread.

Holy cow. O_o

First of all: Congratulations JDS. Probably a little bit late :D

So I reached the end of this thread and found a situation where somebody ripped out the last bages of a good book. Obviously not satisfying :P

What happend to the project? This thread just died before Christmas last year. Is there a new thread? A thread about that project?

Best wishes
Simon

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

SCRIPT DEVELOPMENT. :eek:

That's what we've been up to. On one hand somewhat intensely, and on the other hand somewhat sporadicly as we have various other projects on the burner - projects that we like a great deal and that pay the rent, but I think for both of us, our hearts are very much in this thing ... even as slowly as it's coming along :)

Lemme check with Barry on something and maybe your post will be the impetus for a big update.

And thanks for the interest Simon. :beer:

[Luis Caffesse]

Lemme check with Barry on something and maybe your post will be the impetus for a big update.


So, any chance for the 'big update'?
I know I'm curious to hear how things are going ... and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

:)

[Barry_Green]

We are loving life here in our own little development hell. See, this happens when you get a producer involved who wants to make the project "better" (but seriously, I think it's getting lots better!) :)

[Luis Caffesse]

See, this happens when you get a producer involved who wants to make the project "better" (but seriously, I think it's getting lots better!) :)


Hahahahah
Good to hear
:thumbsup:

[TimurCivan]

Cool.

[Brandon Rice]

Hm. Want to hear more about this guys! :) come on!!! :):)

[Jason Ramsey]

Bah... They are just waiting for Barry's (or somebody else's) RED so they can shoot it on that :)

Jason

[Brandon Rice]

Duh... who wouldn't :)

[Barry_Green]

Red is supposed to arrive November 10th.

[Simon Höfer]

So, whats going on? Any news yet? Rumor hast it, that your announcement (link (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=133588)) has something to do with this feature film. :D

[Barry_Green]

There are lots of rumors, and some are more accurate than others. :) There will be announcements on this, but this may not be the first announcement in that thread.

[Luis Caffesse]

....but this may not be the first announcement in that thread.

First?
So there is more than one?


:thumbsup:

[Jason Ramsey]

Man, this thing is Vaporware.... You guys ain't makin' no movie :evil:

Later,
Jason

[Barry_Green]

Lots. But not all at once. :evil:

[Barry_Green]

Man, this thing is Vaporware.... You guys ain't makin' no movie :evil:

Later,
Jason
Not quickly, it would seem. But, you never know...

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

In case anyone missed the news in the Litttle Mouth to Feed thread
(one of two team practice / showcase shorts produced by David and Barry)
Barry and David and I won the Best Horror Short at the Cape Fear fest (with some help from John Hudson as well)
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=114243&page=29

Another step closer to the feature and more funding in addition to what's already in place .. some new developments this week on the feature also ... but more later ... :evil: :)