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Jarred Land
09-26-2006, 10:04 PM
Servers are almost ready.. You guys that are ready can get your files ready,

You will need to upload a Zip file containing both a 16:9 Mpeg 2 file for the DVD (8000k bitrate), and a H.264 file for streaming.

Streaming file must be less than 50megs, and have a width of no more than 400 pixels.

Name your Zip like this: Movie Name-Your Name-Username.zip

so it will look like this:

Horrorfest-JarredLand-UserJarred.zip

this file should be pretty big, a few hundred megabytes. You will need to upload via FTP.

If you would rather mail them on a CD or DVD in the next couple days, Email me at contact@dvxuser.com and Ill tell you where to send it.

Thanks.

Brandon Rice
09-26-2006, 10:53 PM
Getting READY Can't wait!

Let me get this straight, the 1st is the LAST day things can be uploaded... correct? Midnight on the 1st is it!

Dario Nieva
09-27-2006, 12:05 AM
Just wanted to make sure for the mpeg2 file, we don't have to send a sound file and a video file do we?

zoopraxiscope
09-27-2006, 01:05 AM
I have a question on the 16:9 requirement. Do you mean we have to uprez our 4:3 project to 16:9 (1.2 pixel aspect ratio), or if we shot 4:3 and blocked for 16:9 (frame aspect ratio) and cropped in post and the rendered out, that is acceptable? (even though its technically 4:3 (.9 pixel aspect ratio; letterboxed to appear 16:9)

jpbankesmercer
09-27-2006, 03:31 AM
I take it the MPEG2 should be in NTSC for us PAL peeps?
J

Jarred Land
09-27-2006, 07:13 AM
Mpeg2 can either be on muxed file (audio and video together) or audio and video seperate. All video should be NTSC (sorry Pal guys)

as for 16:9 .. it either has to be anamorphic, or cropped 16:9. If you send me a 4:3 image (non anamorphic) im gonna just crop it, and i gurantee you I wont do it as nicely as you would.

Jarred Land
09-27-2006, 07:15 AM
Getting READY Can't wait!

Let me get this straight, the 1st is the LAST day things can be uploaded... correct? Midnight on the 1st is it!

Yes.. you guys have till midnight the 1st. As always though, its not like im gonna unplug the server at 12:01 am, so your pretty safe if you get it up before i wake up that morning.

Brandon Rice
09-27-2006, 07:15 AM
Understood, thanks Jarred.

Gauranga
09-27-2006, 07:24 AM
Jarred,

Thus far, I have been unable to find the link to upload my Horrorfest entry. Where do I find the link? Thanks.

Brandon Rice
09-27-2006, 08:06 AM
He's still workin' on it. I am sure a sticky will be put up once it's ready to go.

Gauranga
09-27-2006, 08:11 AM
Cool, Thanks. I was getting nervous that it was obvious to everyone but me. ... Well, actually that may still be the case. :zombie_smiley:

zoopraxiscope
09-27-2006, 09:31 AM
Thank you for the clarification. I'm understanding that .9 pixel aspect ratio is OK as long as it is cropped to 16x9 frame aspect ratio with black bars, correct?

Chief
09-27-2006, 01:25 PM
Question – is the H.264 codec the codec for the most recent version of Quicktime? I only ask because some of us cannot view Quicktime files. After Effects does not work properly when the most recent version of Quicktime is installed (a known bug) but I would love to view all of the entries…

Cynic821
09-27-2006, 04:49 PM
I sized down to scale my 1280 x 720 HVX footage, and if im not mistaken, the max size for my video is going to be 400 x 225 ? Is that correct? Kinda small no? I was hoping for atleast iPod sized 640 x ___

Brandon Rice
09-27-2006, 04:50 PM
That is correct. It's small, but we all will have the same problem... so no one's got any leg-ups...

Cynic821
09-27-2006, 04:53 PM
so you admit its a "problem"?

Brandon Rice
09-27-2006, 04:54 PM
No... well yes... it's a problem because it IS small... but I can play my film full-screen from a 400 x 225 file and it looks pretty stinkin' nice still.

J.R. Hudson
09-27-2006, 04:55 PM
Heh heh

Everyones footy will be crystal

Brandon Rice
09-27-2006, 04:59 PM
Yeah. I agree. If you output right, it should look fine.

Cynic821
09-27-2006, 04:59 PM
Can we host a bigger version of it somewhere else when the actual voting begins?

Brandon Rice
09-27-2006, 05:00 PM
I do not believe you can do that.

Cynic821
09-27-2006, 05:02 PM
John? Jarred?

Brandon Rice
09-27-2006, 05:03 PM
What you don't trust me? There is a rule that states you may not have a website for the film, or have it viewable anywhere other than here until the contest is over... that's pretty clear to me.

jpbankesmercer
09-27-2006, 05:07 PM
Heh heh

Everyones footy will be crystal

Not mine! I've got to use quicktime from P.Pro. (WMV is my friend) AND convert the MPEG2 to NTSC. Don't hold your breath.

It's going to look like a cheap pirate copy viewed through a woolen sock.

J

mameragex
09-27-2006, 05:23 PM
Not mine! I've got to use quicktime from P.Pro. (WMV is my friend) AND convert the MPEG2 to NTSC. Don't hold your breath.

It's going to look like a cheap pirate copy viewed through a woolen sock.

J

Isn't there a way to convert it the Qt file to Mpeg2 uncompressed. Then convert to NSTC with correct compression? I dunno. just an idea. I'm sure if you fiddle around with it or get a file convert program off the net it could look fine.:beer:

FlintMI
09-27-2006, 05:46 PM
To get your Quicktime file from Premiere Pro (or almost any NLE):

1. Output Microsoft AVI (compressor: None)
2. Open in Quicktime Pro (compressor: H.264)
3. Export to Quicktime (resize to 400 wide) and you're set.

To get your m2v file:

1. Use Adobe Media Encoder (MPEG 2)
2. Or export as an AVI and import in Adobe Encore and transcode a seperate m2v and AC3 file

Ben Sliker
09-27-2006, 06:04 PM
I posted an in-depth Quicktime Pro tutorial on how to do that in the sticky! It's a little redundant, but i hope it helps someone.

Jarred Land
09-27-2006, 06:06 PM
Can we host a bigger version of it somewhere else when the actual voting begins?

nope, not till voting ends.. of course you CAN, as long as your cool with being dq'd.

conrad_johnson
09-27-2006, 07:10 PM
nope, not till voting ends.. of course you CAN, as long as your cool with being dq'd.
I love Dairy Queen!:dankk2:

Jarred Land
09-27-2006, 09:36 PM
is anyone actually ready to upload?

Brandon Rice
09-27-2006, 09:38 PM
Nearly, nearly. I think some others are.

jenningsp
09-27-2006, 10:25 PM
i will be ready in 6 min. YAY

check it out in the film thread UNTITLED the movie

VersuS
09-27-2006, 11:41 PM
Tonight, Tonight!

Zenon
09-28-2006, 06:35 AM
Unfortunately my brother and I caught this competition a little late. We've given ourselves just over a week to plan and make something that should have taken alot longer :( however, nothing's impossible :)

jeans
09-28-2006, 11:50 AM
I already exported my mpeg2 two but it has a separate audio track. Are we supposed to upload a muxed file?

conrad_johnson
09-28-2006, 07:39 PM
I'm ready

Michael_Petro
09-28-2006, 08:02 PM
me ready too :)

Jarred Land
09-28-2006, 08:56 PM
you can upload a muxed or demuxed file... doesnt matter to me.

Jarred Land
09-28-2006, 09:00 PM
for you guys ready to upload.. you guys can test the FTP.

Its write only, so you wont be able to see your file after you upload it.

ftp: 67.49.54.234

username: horrorfest
password: fest

remember.. 1 zip file, named correctly.

jenningsp
09-28-2006, 09:03 PM
YYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


how long after can people watch the movies. or it that only starting 2.10.06????

jenningsp
09-28-2006, 09:09 PM
i logged into the server. i dragged my zip file into the window.

ftp.24puser.com cannot me modified?????

jenningsp
09-28-2006, 09:14 PM
you'll have to make it write only. it's read only at the moment.

write only - we can upload but no one can see our stuff. so they can't delete it

Jarred Land
09-28-2006, 09:16 PM
what are you using to upload?

jenningsp
09-28-2006, 09:20 PM
i'm just using an ibook, when you connect to an ftp server it loads as a drive in the file system. so i should just be able to drag the file in there. i've done it with other ftps.
i've checked the write permission on the server and it said "read only", not write only.
you'll need to change the user permission or create a new username with correct permissions.

Matt Sconce
09-28-2006, 09:23 PM
aren't there some FTP programs people used last contest to connect and upload? Someone help me out here?

Blaine
09-28-2006, 09:27 PM
aren't there some FTP programs people used last contest to connect and upload? Someone help me out here?

Cyberduck (http://www.download.com/Cyberduck/3000-2151_4-10246246.html)...if you're on a Mac...and it's free.

Jarred Land
09-28-2006, 09:40 PM
im using cyberduck and its working fine.. try the second server though.. this one will let you see your files, you just cant download them.

ftp: 67.49.54.234

username: horrorfest
password: fest

Michael_Petro
09-28-2006, 11:17 PM
question b4 i upload

on the .mov file I right click goto propetieson winxp(and get info on OSX i have both) its says the file is 49.9MB. then is says size on disk is 52.3 megs. Doing the math 1024=1 meg 49.9 is correct... if i do Hard drive math 1000= 1 meg then its 52.3 megs. I just want to make sure that my upload is good to go


also i'm using FIlezilla on winxp and it works peachy and its free.

VersuS
09-29-2006, 10:00 AM
I dont know if this was mentioned, how large can the mpeg2 file be? the quicktime must be max 40MB...the mpeg2?????

Michael_Petro
09-29-2006, 10:04 AM
I thought the QT file was 50 and the mpg2 file was at CBR 8000 wich should make it a few hundred megs

VersuS
09-29-2006, 10:07 AM
hmmmmmm is this true about the mpeg2 file???

Brandon Rice
09-29-2006, 10:08 AM
yes it is true.

VersuS
09-29-2006, 10:10 AM
Ok, I've done the mpeg2 file!!!
now for the QT

Jarred Land
09-29-2006, 10:15 AM
yes mpeg 8000kb bitrate, which should be a couple hundred megs.

VersuS
09-29-2006, 10:20 AM
well my movie is 2 minutes long so it came out at 120MB
seems to work ok.....
the QT file is the real PAIN!

MOVIE MASTER
09-29-2006, 10:28 AM
My Qt File Comes Out To 78mb It Is 6 Minutes Does Any One Know How To Bring It Down To 50mb ? In Qt Hey Can I Use Sorenson?

Michael_Petro
09-29-2006, 10:30 AM
My Qt File Comes Out To 78mb It Is 6 Minutes Does Any One Know How To Bring It Down To 50mb ? In Qt Hey Can I Use Sorenson?

I did a billion versions before I got 49.9meg file heres what i did in QT PRO
kbs 390 and audio to 24k and that did it for me and it looks ok my film is 5:57

VersuS
09-29-2006, 10:31 AM
Doooooooooooone!!!!!!!!!!

Michael_Petro
09-29-2006, 10:32 AM
Doooooooooooone!!!!!!!!!!


does that ryme with spoon? :)

I was just as excited to get mine do000000000000ne.

VersuS
09-29-2006, 10:34 AM
loooool! right now I m so excited I dont care if it rhymes with 'what the f*** is wrong with me!'!!!! ;-) :) :)

Michael_Petro
09-29-2006, 10:35 AM
Hahahahahahaha

MOVIE MASTER
09-29-2006, 10:35 AM
What Is The Simple Way Of Uploading The Movie Files?
What Software What Steps?

Michael_Petro
09-29-2006, 10:38 AM
I Just zipped the two together and used filezilla ftp(winxp free program) and presto. I've found web browser dont always make good ftp clients.

Mark Harris
09-29-2006, 02:25 PM
I did a billion versions before I got 49.9meg file heres what i did in QT PRO
kbs 390 and audio to 24k and that did it for me and it looks ok my film is 5:57

I am getting a really sweet looking H.264 .mp4 out of sorenson, with basically default settings, except for the 400X225. 5:54 comes out to 43.7 Megs. All the colors are crisp and everything.

Oh yeah, and Filezilla rules the school.

Michael_Petro
09-29-2006, 07:09 PM
I am getting a really sweet looking H.264 .mp4 out of sorenson, with basically default settings, except for the 400X225. 5:54 comes out to 43.7 Megs. All the colors are crisp and everything.

Oh yeah, and Filezilla rules the school.

It can be mp4?? thought it had to be a .mov file id rather mp4 that puppy

Mark Harris
09-29-2006, 07:21 PM
Well I guess I need to ask, because it wasn't specified. All he said was H.264. And MP4s play in Quicktime fine.

I don't want to have to buy that QT Pro just for this...

Jarred?

Michael_Petro
09-29-2006, 07:25 PM
Also i think i messed up my .mov file was optimized for download not streaming do i need to redo it?

Jarred Land
09-29-2006, 09:21 PM
.mov is better, not because mp4 is bad, but just better to make them all the same.

Robert Eldon
09-29-2006, 11:39 PM
.mov is better, not because mp4 is bad, but just better to make them all the same.

So, what's the bottom line? I've found that my mp4 version looks better also, and the file size is smaller. It sounds like you would prefer .mov, but is .mp4 OK?

Mark Harris
09-30-2006, 09:34 AM
So after many tries of not getting a good but small file out of QTPro, I finally tried encoding my mp4 with QTPro.

It took a 40 meg file and turned it into a 129Meg file. Beautiful.

seejay1031
09-30-2006, 09:58 AM
I'm having the worst time trying to get a <50 meg file size with any kind of quality using QT Pro. My Sorenson H.264 MP4 is well under 50 and very high quality. Can we please use the MP4?

Mark Harris
09-30-2006, 10:03 AM
I'm trying one final thing now, and it's almost there. I've been encoding the QT from my MP4, and messing with settings. I got it down to 53Megs and it looks good. But still, it's silly that it's ADDING data from a 40 meg file that looked perfect in the first place.

I'll let you know my settings if this pass works.

SeaNanners
09-30-2006, 10:43 AM
FCP 4.5 HD doesn't allow me to export mpeg2. Is there an alternative export option I can use for the DVD? Thanks for the help.

Robert Eldon
09-30-2006, 11:05 AM
I wonder if Jarred would increase the file size limitation to 55MB? I seems that a lot of us are getting fairly decent compression and quality under 55MB. And it also looks like a lot of the films are close to 6 minutes? 55MB might be the magic number?

I'm getting fairly decent compression with QT, but the file size is 54MB. I've been struggling all night and morning trying to get it under 50MB.

What say you Jarred?

jeans
09-30-2006, 11:12 AM
Is it normal that quicktime won't play my muxed mpeg2?

Mark Harris
09-30-2006, 11:16 AM
I wonder if Jarred would increase the file size limitation to 55MB? I seems that a lot of us are getting fairly decent compression and quality under 55MB. And it also looks like a lot of the films are close to 6 minutes? 55MB might be the magic number?

I'm getting fairly decent compression with QT, but the file size is 54MB. I've been struggling all night and morning trying to get it under 50MB.

What say you Jarred?

I'm getting close. Will post settings when I get done with this pass.

GTP
09-30-2006, 11:18 AM
I can't seem to do H.264... are there are any other acceptable alternatives? Using FCP3... Thanks.

Robert Eldon
09-30-2006, 11:29 AM
I'm getting close. Will post settings when I get done with this pass.

Desperatecomfort,

I'll do the same, if I have any luck. Is anyone else having this challenge? I'm going to end up spending more time on this production trying to compress to under 50MB than I spent actually in production!

Does anyone have settings using QT7 pro (Windows), compressing a 6 minute movie to under 50MB with decent quality?

Norm Sanders
09-30-2006, 11:35 AM
Wow, I think u need up to desperately upgrade from FCP3! I'm a PC user, but I know that copy's pretty out of date.

Anyway, you can probably try rendering out a fully uncompressed QT file, then purchase QT7Pro, and recompress it with h.264 from there. OR, perhaps just installing QT7Pro on your system will allow FCP3 to export with the proper codec ... sometimes those kinds of things work on PC, not sure.

As for the folks that were asking .mov vs. mp4, it SOUNDS like you can go mp4 if you have to, but I'll warn you that the last fest (HeroFest), the folks that had the most difficulty having their films viewed by others were those folks who had renered out to mp4 vs. .mov (myself for example).

Lastly, Jarred ...

I know for Sci-Fest, and I think for HeroFest as well, you had allowed 720 wide for the HVX guys so that the films could be shown in all their glory. It was an obvious visual advantage over standard DV then, so why the change now to throw everyone down to the same size of 400 wide (which I 'think' is smaller than previous 480 wide)? My memory's probably off, but I was REALLY looking forward to being able to watch 720P films from those who shot with the HVX. :thumbsup:

Robert Eldon
09-30-2006, 11:43 AM
Update:

Latest settings using QT7 pro (Windows) for 6 minute movie.

H.264, Current, Key Every 24, Data Rate=Auto, Quality 35
Sound Normal, Rate 24Khz

File size= 44.4MB

Quality isn't too hot, but it will work in a pinch.

Robert Eldon
09-30-2006, 11:49 AM
I'd also like to add that when I watch the movie using QuickTime, View=Normal, it looks pretty good. Viewing at Double or Full, gets real 'artifacty' (Is that a word?). I guess that's to be expected.

GTP
09-30-2006, 12:41 PM
Wow, I think u need up to desperately upgrade from FCP3!:

After dropping 1K on a program, I just couldn't justify paying yet more money for upgrades. Plus then I would need upgrade my OS for it all to work together...

Robert Eldon
09-30-2006, 03:06 PM
Another Update:

Latest settings using QT7 pro (Windows) for 6 minute movie.

H.264, Current, Key Every 24, Data Rate=390Kbs, Quality High
Sound Normal, Rate 24Khz

File size= 50.3MB

The quality is a little better than the last one, but not much, it's not bad though.
I wonder if the 50MB limitation is a hard limitation or if .3MB would be allowed over the 50MB?

Michael_Petro
09-30-2006, 04:26 PM
Another Update:

Latest settings using QT7 pro (Windows) for 6 minute movie.

H.264, Current, Key Every 24, Data Rate=390Kbs, Quality High
Sound Normal, Rate 24Khz

File size= 50.3MB

The quality is a little better than the last one, but not much, it's not bad though.
I wonder if the 50MB limitation is a hard limitation or if .3MB would be allowed over the 50MB?


wierd... I used the same settings and got 49.77 my film is 5:57
http://phoenixbutterflyfilms.com/fs.JPG

n8ture
09-30-2006, 04:36 PM
My first attempt at compression was 53 meg at 1100Kbs for a 5:59 cut.

Robert Eldon
09-30-2006, 06:23 PM
wierd... I used the same settings and got 49.77 my film is 5:57

My movie format is 400 X 225. It almost looks like yours is different?

Jarred Land
09-30-2006, 06:57 PM
heh heh heh.. well people sure took the Hard R hard... heh heh heh.

Mark Harris
09-30-2006, 07:03 PM
Oh wait, I have a last minute edit - *rushes to find nudie clips*

Robert Eldon
09-30-2006, 07:09 PM
So how long is it taking you guys to upload? The ones that have already uploaded? I'm uploading right now, about 276MB, and it looks like it could take 6 hours!

Update: 10/01/2006 12:15am. "Hellebore" upload complete. It took 6 hours.

Cynic821
09-30-2006, 07:20 PM
One question:

There are 2 files we submit, the under 6 minute contest version and the DVD Files.

Can the DVD version of the movie be more than 6 minutes?

Kyle Stebbins
09-30-2006, 09:20 PM
also, midnight the first? so this means that we have ALL DAY ON OCTOBER 1ST to upload and then at midnight is the cutoff? i hope this is so... i plan on tomorrow being my big render-day. someone PLEASE tell me or pm me if i am wrong!
-kyle

ps. im more excited than words can describe...

Rock Punk!
10-01-2006, 09:15 PM
Okay so I've spent the last 6 hours trying to render this .mov file. And, now I'm doing it again God help me.

Things to do while waiting for QTPro to export:
Do laundry
Cut grass
Clean up kitchen
Check work email
Watch news
Check out the happenings at dvxuser.com

Jarred Land
10-01-2006, 09:17 PM
ha ha ha well good luck man.. you got an extra day to get it up.

Cynic821
10-01-2006, 09:23 PM
my 6min HVX Short, 720p to around a 40mb H.264 only took like 30 minutes i think.

Rock Punk!
10-01-2006, 09:29 PM
Yes, each time I try it it takes about that much time but my problem is that I shot in squeeze mode. And for some reason I can't get QTPro to unsqueeze. However, I think I figured it out - unchecked the maintain aspect ratio box this time. I hope it works.

Rock Punk!
10-01-2006, 09:57 PM
Add to the list:
Watch Tivo'd Saturday Night Live

But that's it cause it worked! So, now I zip and upload!

Norm Sanders
10-01-2006, 11:33 PM
Jarred, Ryan's having a tough time with rendering out from FCP, stating 8+ hour render times. He's going to do a quick & dirty render now just to at least get it in the door before the cut off, but we're hoping we can do a higher quality render & get that to you maybe after the fact?

Directed By Cire
10-02-2006, 12:10 AM
I am unable to log onto the FTP to upload my film?

Please help!

thanks,
Cire

VersuS
10-02-2006, 12:50 AM
I understand that MPEG2 should be NTSC...does the quicktime need to be NTSC as well?