Break-in...

[Jannard]

There was a break-in at the RED offices last night. Everything they took was camera and camera file related. We will NOT be slowed up by this distraction, but we are offering a $50K reward for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of those that did this.

Jim

[Poi Boy]

That really sucks ! sorry to hear that. Corporate espionage ? I guess theother guys are truly scared.
Aloha
-A

[boothba]

Wow.

[Emanuel]

Oh my goodness!!... What a shame!

My sincere thoughts and a word of comfort here. Crap people...

I hope you get well. For Christ's sake, this is our concern too. :dankk2: for your update.

Emanuel

EDIT -- Unfortunately, I can't help but I hope you find out who did it.

[Micron]

Hi Jim,

I will hope and pray that this was done by some run-of-the-mill criminals, and not people who came in looking for specific camera and information in your possession. I know you probably don't what to speculate here, but is there any chance that this might be industrial espionage?

Mike

[Jannard]

There is no question all they came for was RED camera stuff. Help us find out who did this.

Jim

[Clint Johnson]

Industrial espionage yup... a smash and grab actually seems too overt and messy for your competition so you may want to call them up to see if anyone is contacting them. It seems like an amateur hour theft on spec with the hope of selling to Dalsa, Sony, Panavision, Thompson Grass Valley or some such.

At least it shows that some folks are taking you very seriously now... silver lining and all that.

[Gopher_Greene]

I hope to god you find them and throw the book at them. I had my cameras stolen and it put me out of business for a while, needless to say quite a financial hardship.

[imgentertainment@mac]

You shi*n Use.
That is just crap. I've heard of corporate espionage but that is just blatant wrong. Don't give up guys we'll catch the bastards and do unspeakable things to them.

[CVB]

Holy crap... Jim... I think your pushing someones buttons. So they stole files as well? This totally reminds me of when some dumbass stole the source code for the Half-life videogame - tons of people helped in catching the guys in a matter of weeks. Best of luck catching them.

[Kjetil Haugen]

My condolences, Jim! Definetly a sign that you are sitting on something phenomenal, though!

Hope you find them. Shoot their mugshots in 4k and post them in the still gallery when you do!

[Andreas Fern]

Dammit!
Things like this really sucks.

I really hope you catch them and I bet they are reading this!
You bastards!!

[Andrew Wharton]

Seriously, what did they really hope to achieve by doing this??

I'm not exactly up to speed with with corporate ethics in this industry at the moment, but surely the "competition" wouldn't have had anything to do with it. And if it's assumed then that it was someone trying to make a buck by selling it to them, would they want to touch it, or have anything to do with it?? Or are they going to try and make their own camera?

I just don't get it. Sure, they now have all this information, but they can't do anything with it, otherwise it'll immediately be traced back to them and then they're finished, or have I missed something?

Or maybe they have some other plan that I can't guess 'cause I don't think like them...

[Micron]

There is no question all they came for was RED camera stuff. Help us find out who did this.

Jim


Well, this is very serious for so many reasons and at so many levels that I'm sure I'm not the only one who wishes he could help in catching whoever did this.

The possibility that the vast amounts of intellectual, physical and financial resources that the Red Team has expended could end up in the hands of real or possible competitors is sickening. I realize that it won't be easy for any corporate thief to come up with an imitation of a Red camera by simply stealing Red's trade secrets and selling it in most Western nations. In fact, it might prove to be a form of economic suicide for any of the big guys to get implicated with the theft of Red's trade secrets, since a verdict in Red's favor would result in billions of dollars in compensatory and punitive damages.

The main worry I have is that this plunder might end up in the hands of small companies in, say, china, where patent infringement is a serious problem and tough legal protection of trade secrets has yet to take root. I believe that the Red One and its successors will (with proper marketing) takeover the cinema market in most of the developing world few years from now. For this to happen, Red as a company should be allowed to recoup its investment by selling as many cameras as possible. But the sort of economic scalability that would lead to greater effciency and price reduction can only happen if corporate thievery doesn't undercut Red's full market potential.

Mike

[Jannard]

If there is any good news here, we are "In development". They will not have the finished designs.

Jim

[baquajim]

I think they are going to have a hard time selling the information to anyone, it is just too risky for a major corporation to buy it.

The sensor and the RedCode seem like they would stick out like sore thumbs if somebody copied the technology or used parts of it to make something else.

[Hans Nystroem]

Horrible! :(
But if it is industrial espionage, and it sounds like it, then it is a sign that You doing things right (a bit too right for Your competitions taste)!

I hope Your technology is patent pending...
And that You can catch and nail those #¤¤%!! to the door!

[Jay A. Kelley]

Jim,

Were the police brought in for a serious investigation? Is there a chance any prints were left behind? Any clues? Were windows broken, or were locks picked? I am wondering how "experienced" the people were that did this. There is not a lot of profit to be made from these items at this time. Also other items were left. I worry that someone paid someone else to do this.. Most likely to get their hands on that chip.

Jay

[Deadzone]

This maybe a bit off topic, but in light of recent events one of the things I worry about when buying a Red camera is getting it stolen. I have worked and penny pinched too long to have some thug just run off with a 17.5k camera. I've heard that cell phones now have tracking systems that allow you to pinpoint where they are and there are systems out there such as low-jack for cars. Is it possible to add this as an extra feature to the camera for a fee? Yes, there is always the insurance option, but it is more satisfying having the cops catch the bastards that do this to you.

I hope you get the theives and bring them to justice!

[Justin_Kirch]

this makes me completely sad and pissed off at the world. i'm sure the red team will be able to handle this very well, considering there is so much more that needs to be done, the jerks that stole the equipment will get a slap in the face once we find out what it really looks like!

Good luck Red team. If I was in California I'd help you guys out. I'll see if I can find some stuff out for you..hehe.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Jim,

I took a closer look at your post and you said camera and file related. But you did NOT say they got a camera or the chip. How much damage can they do with what they took?

Jay

[Jannard]

The reward has been raised to $100K.

Jim

[CVB]

Man they're soooo screwed. People would turn in family members for that.

[boothba]

It was my mother!

[evenblink]

aww they are DUN...you go Jim!

[cfarivar]

Jim,

This is Cyrus Farivar from Engadget. We have some additional questions for you. Can you please email me as soon as possible: cyrus [at] engadget {dot} com

Thanks.

[CVB]

I love engadget... Send them an email and ten minutes later they're on the case. By tomorrow 250,000 people will be looking :)

[Haakon]

I'm not sure I even know how to articulate the way this news makes me feel.

My thoughts are with you and your team, Jim.

[penfever]

This is hateful and despicable. I only hope that the people who did this someday develop the presence of mind to understand how wrong this is. I'm e-mailing everyone I know who might hear something tonight.

[imgentertainment@mac]

This just sucks and makes me sick..

we all need to keep our eyes on the message boards and news boards obviouse who ever took them has been following the boards. I agree with everyone I don't think it was a competitor per say but someone who can see the interest the a competitor would have in this kind of information. If we can get as much press on this as possible it is going to make it very hard for who ever did this to do anything but give it back. And that might just be there plan. to extort RED..

[mcgeedigital]

That sucks...if I were closer I'd would lent you part of my security system:

http://www.mcgeedigitalmedia.com/images/Jasmine.jpg

I think a few Rotties roaming inside the plant would be an excellent deterrent.

[Spartacus]

I´m sorry for you guys.
Now even the last ones in our business knows you guys are a threat to the status quo. The RED means trouble.
Let this encourage you to kick some serious a**.
Take care,

Spart

[mavrix]

Jim -- I'm very sorry to hear that this happened. Whoever did this deserves to be drawn-and-quartered -- However, I think you have a collective group of people here who will help out in whatever way we can both in trying to catch whomever did this and in keeping the development and production on-track.

[stevesherrick]

Jim, what level of operation was this? I would assume your facility was pretty secure. Are we talking about a high level team that did this or is it the type of thing that someone amongst us, i.e an average Joe looking to make some bucks could have pulled off? Obviously, the question has to be asked whether any financial information related to those on the reservation list was stolen. It sounds like you were indicating it was camera related only, but just want to make sure. Hopefully this will all get resolved as you guys have put way too much effort into this for it to be compromised by some goons trying to steal your hard work. Keep us posted.

Thanks,
Steve

[acrochordon]

Hey, don't look at me. I am all the way down here in Florida.
You guys should have used some of the ideas from the Red idea contest, specifically the idea for the GPS and eye scanner someone though of and my idea of the self destruct.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=62321
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=61406

[AshG]

Actually, I think this is a great sign. A sign that someone feels extremely threatened. Make no mistake, this was not stolen to be sold, traded, etc. This was taken by an end user company who is scared to death. Keep them shaking in their boots JJ.


ash =o)

[acrochordon]

There are two possibilities. 1) inside job 2) outside job

Lets go with the theory that it was an outside job, since all the Red employees are loyal to the company.

First they would have to find the location of the Red offices. They are posted on the website below.

http://www.squidoo.com/reddigitalcamera/

Jim should contact the owner of squidoo and ask to see the records of all people (IPS#s) that visited the website in the past few months.

The thieves also probably went to Yahoo or Google maps to get directions to the address they got from squidoo. I saw on TV once how police tracked down a killer from a map he down loaded from Yahoo maps. It took the cooperation of Yahoo and the killer's internet (ISP) provider.

Jim should hire a private investigator. My advice is to not hire the same ones the HP CEO hired because they bend the law.

It shouldn't be hard to find the thieves, assuming Jim changed the tape in the security camera VCR.

Possibility #3, it could have been an Oakley employee. The two offices are close. They might know who comes and goes and when.

[acrochordon]

http://www.covitechnologies.com/
Have Stew set you up.

[acrochordon]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/06/coke.secrets/index.html
Jim should contact Sony and see if the thieves try to sell the stolen items to them. Read the story above about a Coke employee trying to sell trade secrets to Pepsi.

[acrochordon]

Better throw away your phone. The Red warehouse could be bugged. Better hire someone to do a sweep for bugs. Don't laugh. Better hope they didn't put spyware on our computers, assuming they didn't steal them all.

[acrochordon]

Better use statcounter.com
Jarred could use it to locate all the DVXusers that live near the Red offices. It uses their ISP#s and places them on a google map. Chances are that the thieves are dvxusers. See what dvxuser lives close to Red offices and logg on a lot.

Read the thread below to find out more about statcounter.com
http://forum.statcounter.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23280

[Jay A. Kelley]

Reality check..

I asked Jim about the details of the theft. He did not answer, and for good reason.. We are not a part of the company and the only ones who need to know the details are RED and the Police. I know Jim asked for help, but I think the only thing any of us can do is talk about it to anyone and everyone we know..Shine a big bright light on all this so the people who did it cannot come out without being seen,

We do not know anything.. We don't know what was taken, or how much. We don't know if the job was professional or just some idiots. The fact they they came in and took only RED related stuff would point to some planning.

So my point is this, the only thing we can all do is talk about it to everyone we know.. Keep our eyes open and if ANYTHING "Red like" shows up on E-bay, or any sudden announcements of a "breakthrough" come about, share them with Jim. Unless he asks us to do something more specific.

Jay

[insanityfw]

This is shitty on so many levels. In my opinion the worst kind of criminals are child molesters and thieves. These are not crimes of passion, but deliberate crimes from deliberate minds.

Very sad. Best of luck to the RED team.

[laguun]

Keep our eyes open and if ANYTHING "Red like" shows up on E-bay, or any sudden announcements of a "breakthrough" come about, share them with Jim. Unless he asks us to do something more specific.


there is the red camera on e-bay, and already a copy...
http://cgi.ebay.com/498-MIR-RED-Rare-Soviet-35mm-camera-Leica-copy_W0QQitemZ280029529992QQihZ018QQcategoryZ15234 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

back to the topic: i sincerly hope that the bast***s who stole will be brought to law.

[Spiraledit]

Very sorry to hear about this. I hope you had security cameras to get a glimpse of these assholes.

As others have said, however, one bright side to this is that know you are doing something right when others are willing to break in to steal your knowledge.

[alpha omega117]

Hope you find them. Shoot their mugshots in 4k and post them in the still gallery when you do!

I'm sorry but that is pretty funny.

[luisbustamante]

Hopefully they didn't take any sensible information about the sensor!

We are with you, Jim!

Best Regards,

Luis

[twocik23]

WOW, you've got to be kidding! Well this guy will pop up real fast, especially whoever decides to buy or use it. I'll keep my eye out on ebay. It seems that's where most of these crooks go. ;)

Good luck!

[filmmaker1977]

Jim,

I took a closer look at your post and you said camera and file related. But you did NOT say they got a camera or the chip. How much damage can they do with what they took?

JayTHIS is an useful question that we'd like to see answered.. after all the red one reservation holders (at my side there are just 4 different bets) we are partners of this project..

..and find the bastards!

keep us informed please.. thx

[acoreasc]

hopefully it was something that did not directly reference or impact the technology. Regardless, this is terrible. Get someone to find these guys....I'm thinking Gary Oldman in The Professional (Leon) kind of crazy should do the trick.

[Brook Willard]

My heart sank when I read this post.

[edit: I replied before reading the thread. My questions were already answered.]

[lordnumberzero]

Jim and team,

I am really and truly sorry for you.

Hopefully, nothing irreplaceable was stolen.

Everyone here wants you to be successful. I have seriously enjoyed the openess in your developement process but maybe its time to keep things under wraps a little more. It seriously pains me to suggest that but if you think its for the best, we will all understand.

GOOD LUCK!

[Lakmir0]

I would like to caution people here to avoid using company names when discussing potential industrial espionage as you are liable for your words and you may be sued by X company for libel. There was a fellow on Cinematography.com who has mentioned a certain company as possible and he may face a lawsuit if he doesnt remove his post soon. I understand everyone is pissed, but no need to put yourself on the legal line because of it.

[Neil Rowe]

...crap. unbelievable.. i dont even have words for how crappy this is. it just gives me that nasty feeling in my gut. i sincerely hope that whoever is responsible for this ends up behind bars before they even realize how stupid it was. dont let it phase you Jim and crew. it only goes to show the real world magnitude of what your creating.

[Brook Willard]

I would like to caution people here to avoid using company names when discussing potential industrial espionage as you are liable for your words and you may be sued by X company for libel. There was a fellow on Cinematography.com who has mentioned a certain company as possible and he may face a lawsuit if he doesnt remove his post soon. I understand everyone is pissed, but no need to put yourself on the legal line because of it.
Just to get it out of the way, it was probably Sony/JVC/Canon/Nikon/Dalsa/Arri/Panavision/Thomson/Grass Valley/some jerk who wanted a free camera.

[deadmike]

The story is up on Crunchgear. http://crunchgear.com/2006/09/24/red-alert-corporate-espionage-in-ultra-high-definition/

[CVB]

Its up on Gizmodo as well... Engadget should have something up by tomorrow. http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/digital-cameras/shmancy-red-one-camcorder-prototypes-stolen-100k-reward-for-info-202853.php

[acehole111]

Im just speechless. This is not a crime against RED, this is a crime against all of us. This news just makes me feel like ive just walked in on my own house after being burgled.

Jim, please be very careful. You may underestimate the significance of the work you are doing here being caught up in the centre of it and all. If Someone was earning Billions of dollars and had thousands of shareholders relying on them to deliver, wouldnt they do the unthinkable to protect it? I urge you to be very vigilant.. I've, We've all, heard about corporations doing some nasty things to stay #1 and I have no doubt that this was the case here. I hope that this is the end of it.

I'm going to get some people I know to do some sniffing in the dirt..

[digitalnirvana9]

Jim:
Its times like this that try our souls, and temper our spirit with the fire of adversity...The karma these people have coming will soon come back on them as this is a small & select community of individuals at this level...Keep the faith and you will prevail....Peace to You, Norman

[hominid]

Hey Jim,

This criminal event will just make it that much sweeter when you finally deliver your cameras to the world.

Cheers,
Pete

[Sumfun]

Sorry to hear about the theft, Jim. At least they only got the prototype of a rapidly changing product.

Whether or not the thief gets caught, I hope you can at least get some good publicity out of this.

If the thief has any brains at all, he should just turn himself in and collect the $100k reward. He can use that money to buy 5 fully functional Red cameras in a few months!

(Sorry, couldn't help but think that :) ).

[Jay A. Kelley]

I think the award is for info that leads to a conviction.

Jay

[Greg Voevodsky]

Wow! Now things are serious. I hate to say it, but my bet is on an inside job, since Jim's company is so huge, they would have to have inside info on where to find RED. I dont think, they have signs hanging around their huge building.

I would be checking employee's e-mail, phone calls, etc... it's surprising how stupid criminals can be... not to mention any company that buys their info, and brakes Red's patents, will get be open to huge law suits.

I would be more angry than worried... this snake will be found within weeks is my bet. And I doubt it is a major company directly but rather a needy individual. Your competitors are the ones who will probably turn them over.

As when Red is released it will be bought and broken apart by its competition like every Honda Accord is by GM and Ford every year.... too bad they can't copy it and make money to stay in business... (that's sorta a joke - I wish they would make great products on their own instead!)

[Jay A. Kelley]

What's really pissing me off are the reactions over at Cinematography.com.. A lot of those guys are really jerks. They are talking smack hinting that RED STAGED this in order to get out of producing the camera.

I hate the internet sometimes cause I can't reach though my service provider grab these bozos and pound their balls flat with a wooden mallet.

Jay

[Brook Willard]

I hate to say it, but my bet is on an inside job, since Jim's company is so huge, they would have to have inside info on where to find RED.
The address was linked to earlier in this thread. It's publicly available.

[acehole111]

Time to make best of the situation with a little humour..

Leaked photos of RED's new security team:

http://www.kyoproject.com/red.jpg

[CVB]

too funny ace.

[imgentertainment@mac]

that is awesome

[CVB]

One problem whith that idea vegan - Jim's got more publicity that he needs. He's ahead of schedule on what he's promised and He's a billionaire who could care less about making money by scamming $1K out of several hundred people. With regards to investors... he's funding it himself. I'm thinking you need to replace the battery in your bullshit detector.

[imgentertainment@mac]

Another possibility worth considering and one that I'm amazed hasn't been mentioned yet, is that this is a hoax created by Red itself to stir up attention on many websites and increase chatter about the company. It could also provide a cover for technological set-backs they could be experiencing and would keep investors from losing faith in the product or tech team because delays could be seen as not their fault. I realize that many people are excited by this concept and want to support it as an innovative underdog, kinda like that Coppola movie, "Tucker", but, honestly, my bullshit detector is screaming louder than a smoke alarm right now. When the smoke clears, Red may be more well known for marketing innovation than for technical innovation. Peace.

You think RED needs to do this... Are you crazy.... They are making a 4K digital camera that cost $20,000 that is more then enough to get allot of peoples atention. AND JIM AND THE TEAM ARE NOT THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE.
And there are no Stock holders to keep happy. Everyone that is a reservation holder already belives in the camera you are not going to get more people just beacuse you fake a theft.. Man I think you have some serious trust issues.

[Jarred Land]

Another possibility worth considering and one that I'm amazed hasn't been mentioned yet, is that this is a hoax created by Red itself to stir up attention on many websites and increase chatter about the company. It could also provide a cover for technological set-backs they could be experiencing and would keep investors from losing faith in the product or tech team because delays could be seen as not their fault. I realize that many people are excited by this concept and want to support it as an innovative underdog, kinda like that Coppola movie, "Tucker", but, honestly, my bullshit detector is screaming louder than a smoke alarm right now. When the smoke clears, Red may be more well known for marketing innovation than for technical innovation. Peace.

This isnt a hoax.. I personally was at Red today and experienced the entire ordeal.. police and all. Jim said it wouldnt set them back at all, and I believe him.

[imgentertainment@mac]

It good to hear that this has not got Jim and the guys down. And I hope it just makes them hungeryer

[Jannard]

Another possibility worth considering and one that I'm amazed hasn't been mentioned yet, is that this is a hoax created by Red itself to stir up attention on many websites and increase chatter about the company. It could also provide a cover for technological set-backs they could be experiencing and would keep investors from losing faith in the product or tech team because delays could be seen as not their fault. I realize that many people are excited by this concept and want to support it as an innovative underdog, kinda like that Coppola movie, "Tucker", but, honestly, my bullshit detector is screaming louder than a smoke alarm right now. When the smoke clears, Red may be more well known for marketing innovation than for technical innovation. Peace.

Are you kidding me? Maybe you should come down from Portland and help us clean up the glass. Asshole.

Jim

[Craig Ryan]

Jim, i think if all of us RED followers were in the area you'd have an entire cleaning squad at your disposal. Aside from that guy obviously.

[acehole111]

Vegan, you probably dont know the history behind red and the calibre of the people envolved in this project so you may be forgiven for thinking so.

But yeah, what CVB said. Batteries need replacing on the BS detector.

[D_and_G]

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5258/1159159905.jpg

"Ok, ok. First things first. Where were the dames with the cigars when all this happened ? And is that a chili fry near that chair ? It could be a clue."

Sumbiaatches can't stop progress, Jim. :beer: :beer: :beer:

RED # rebel with a clue

[goldyprog]

Just reading about this now... I'm so sorry this happened to you, Jim & Co.

[valoo]

When I first read the headline, I was hoping it was a joke. I knew imediately it wasn't. I feel violated. I can make some free time if you would like some volunteers to help clean- glass or whatever is needed.

Vladimir
Red #87

[Lakmir0]

Well, Im sorry if you guys wouldnt even consider an inside job. It makes so much more sense than industrial espionage. Have any of you considered why Jim would release this information publically instead of just keeping it under wraps and not panic his customers? If I were in his shoes, and it wouldnt set me back, I wouldnt mention it to you so I wouldnt make you upset. Many companies wouldnt tell you.

You can call me whatever you want, but me and some buddies at Cinematography.com do indeed feel that there is something fishy going on with this.

[insanityfw]

OK, reality check to all you idiots out there. You don't even have to know Jim to understand that this WOULD NOT be a hoax.

The man is a Billionaire (that is with a capital B) and has gotten there without having to resort to stupid schemes or smoke and mirrors. Why the hell would he start with RED?

Wake the fuck up.

PS-that's Billionaire with a capital B

EDIT: hey, no more poo poo's when I curse.

[windsok]

is RED still located in the Oakley bunker? seems like it would not be an easy place to break into.

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=33.672127~-117.647093&style=o&lvl=2&scene=2167553

[artbeatsart]

Mr. "vegansoy" has NOT understand, what RED is. You can steel perhaps a camera and things, but you can NOT steel the teamspirit, the new way to think about cameratechnology. RED is unique. Jim I'm so sorry about that. I believe in your idea and you know why? Because it makes absolutely sense to do it that way. Innovations are rare this day so it's easy to see when a terriffic shows up.

[evexon]

my bullshit detector is screaming louder than a smoke alarm right now.

That screaming noise coming from your BS detector is a warning tone indicating a dim battery.

Keep kicking ass RED team.

Steve

[Logan LeBlanc]

COLUMBO'S A PUSSY!!! I got this one!!!!
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/7713/1159160724.jpg

Really though, people who steal are dipshit-asswipe-dildo-lovin-numbnuts. LET'S CATCH THE BASTARDS!!!!

[Daniel Skubal]

This is terrible! I can't believe someone would do that, we live in a screwed up world. I'm really sorry Jim. I'm glad no one was hurt though and that the company is still firmly intact.

[Jarred Land]

You can call me whatever you want, but me and some buddies at Cinematography.com do indeed feel that there is something fishy going on with this.

such bullshit. This is one time where im gonna turn the other way when you guys lay down the boots to these guys spreading this shit.. cause sometimes assholes deserve to get a little kick in the ass.

[Jared Meyer]

Well, Im sorry if you guys wouldnt even consider an inside job. It makes so much more sense than industrial espionage. Have any of you considered why Jim would release this information publically instead of just keeping it under wraps and not panic his customers? If I were in his shoes, and it wouldnt set me back, I wouldnt mention it to you so I wouldnt make you upset. Many companies wouldnt tell you.

You can call me whatever you want, but me and some buddies at Cinematography.com do indeed feel that there is something fishy going on with this. Didn't you just announce your permanent departure from dvxuser.com in the cafe a few weeks ago...? Shame it couldn't have been for real.

[baquajim]

Have any of you considered why Jim would release this information publically instead of just keeping it under wraps and not panic his customers?


So the word would get out, thereby increasing the chance of someone who is involved in either ratting out his partners or just scaring the hell out of them that they consider abandoning their mission and not making delivery of the material they have acquired.

[Jarred Land]

Its real now..

[Brook Willard]

I'll come and help pick up the glass.

[insanityfw]

Jarred rules. Get 'em Jarred. Get 'em. :)

[valoo]

Keep it real Jarred

Vladimir
Red #87

[filmmaker1977]

What's really pissing me off are the reactions over at Cinematography.com.. A lot of those guys are really jerks. They are talking smack hinting that RED STAGED this in order to get out of producing the camera.

I hate the internet sometimes cause I can't reach though my service provider grab these bozos and pound their balls flat with a wooden mallet.

Jay
yeah those forums are tough.. i have the maximum respect for people like Haakon, Emanuel and you Jay that have guts to posting there and take the defense of the indy movement.. and Jim for sure.. he has good friends there too!..

those DoPs are protecting their business.. "their craft is slowly being eclipsed" Haakon had guts to say it there.. they are mad..

however, there is a concern about a possible delay.. even other holders are accusing that fear.. hoax or not.. i believe not.. it would be important some reaction coming from jim on the subject: about the possible delay (not more than that.. what matters!)



Jim,

I took a closer look at your post and you said camera and file related. But you did NOT say they got a camera or the chip. How much damage can they do with what they took?

JayTHIS is an useful question that we'd like to see answered.. after all the red one reservation holders (at my side there are just 4 different bets) we are partners of this project..

..and find the bastards!

keep us informed please.. thx

[Lakmir0]

Yeah Jarred, it is real. And what is also real is that your good ole buddy is using attorneys to harass anyone who dares to not agree with BS that he is feeding about the RED. Not me personally, but there are a couple I know of.

[Isaac_Brody]

Have any of you considered why Jim would release this information publically instead of just keeping it under wraps and not panic his customers? If I were in his shoes, and it wouldnt set me back, I wouldnt mention it to you so I wouldnt make you upset. Many companies wouldnt tell you.
Jim doesn't do business like other companies. At every step of the way he's filled us in and gotten our feedback on the development of the camera. This break in is one sad chapter in that development. By sharing that information we all share his disappointment.

Keep on rolling Jim.

[evexon]

Well, Im sorry if you guys wouldnt even consider an inside job. It makes so much more sense than industrial espionage. Have any of you considered why Jim would release this information publically instead of just keeping it under wraps and not panic his customers? If I were in his shoes, and it wouldnt set me back, I wouldnt mention it to you so I wouldnt make you upset. Many companies wouldnt tell you.

You can call me whatever you want, but me and some buddies at Cinematography.com do indeed feel that there is something fishy going on with this.

I am one of RED's customers and feel rather informed (one of RED's hallmarks) rather then panicked or upset. However, panic, paranoid and upset do seem to aptly describe several personalties over at cinematography.com.

[Ted Red]

Hello everyone,

I'm not a big forum poster as most of you know. I leave that to the trained forum professionals like Jim, Jarred, Graeme and Stuart while I focus on other parts of the RED machine.

But in this case I'm not satisfied to just read the posts and enjoy all the points of view like I normally do.

First I want to thank each and every one of the people here that have expressed their concern and support for the recent events that have occurred. The good news is equipment can be replaced, no one was hurt, and we will not be slowed down by this "random" attack. Whether or not is was something more than that I will leave for others to speculate. We certainly have our thoughts on why this has occurred. My nature is to think the best in people, but in this case... well maybe not.

For those on other forums that have speculated that this is some sort of publicity stunt, well that is patently offensive. I was there for the aftermath, Jarred was there, others (including substantial law enforcement) were there - What happened was very real, and quite disturbing.

OK - that's it for me. Back to the engineering and other tasks at hand - One thing I can guarantee is that this will not stop us, will not slow us down, and if anything has motivated us even more than our usual 178% to achieve our goals... we'll they've certainly stirred up my hornet's nest. (now I'm done talking about this - I've got things to do to make you all happy)

+ Ted

[filmmaker1977]

Yeah Jarred, it is real. And what is also real is that your good ole buddy is using attorneys to harass anyone who dares to not agree with BS that he is feeding about the RED. Not me personally, but there are a couple I know of.let me guess.. your name is: richard? the fake christ called matthew? all of you are very known of all of us.. you all suck.. :thumbdown

[Haakon]

Thanks, Ted.

Many of us truly appreciate what you do.

[mike the beginner]

Part of the society we live in today i guess:(

No point in speculating but whoever it was knew what they were after. That still leaves a lot of suspects for sure.

Ironic that the first set back for red has nothing to do with them!

The longer it takes to recover the stuff stolen the more likely it is an organised crime. Lets hope we see a swift recovery whatever the outcome.

We all learn from after the events, if it ends quickly i am sure Jim will have learned something and be more cautious in his future steps. At least no one was hurt or killed, there are a lot of bad people out in this world of ours.

My thoughts are with you today good luck.

Jim dont get angry and be careful what you say. People are looking for excuses to knock you or condemn you. Keep your head up high and be proud of what you have achieved so far. Everyone in life has set backs the important thing is to rise above it and continue your objectives.

Its a sad day but lets all hope and pray that it ends on a happy note.

Michael

[Jarred Land]

Ted, thanks for making a special appearance, glad your still on track and this doesnt seem to have slowed you one bit.

and Lakmir0, welcome to the very elite group on dvxuser we call the banned group. It seems you will fit in well.

[Blaine]

all of you are very known of all of us.. you all suck.. :thumbdownNormally, I can't understand half of what you say, but this time you came through, loud and clear...:thumbsup:

[agwah]

The Red Train can not be stopped.

Oscar "Manny" Manheim (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000685/): Whatever doesn't kill me makes me stronger!

[Jarred Land]

Normally, I can't understand half of what you say, but this time you came through, loud and clear...:thumbsup:

ha ha ha so so true Blaine, so true.

[Lowkus]

I know it sucks to have something stolen from you (as I flash back to my car radio ripped out, cut wires hanging loose all over the place). But you shouldn't let it get you down or make you angry, because that's just going to get your blood pressure in a knot. Instead, look at what you've gained from this experience... "biographical content".

I've always felt that the Red One development project should be turned into a movie or book, that it would be a sort of documentary about the overthrowing of the cinema gear status-quo. Well, the plot has always been a little bit sterile, but now you've got this whole "industrial espionage" thing to work into your story. It could fill almost a quarter of the content in your story if it's played up right, and it'll turn your documentary from a tech-spec story into a really good action thriller. And you've gotten all of this at the paltry cost of only a few days development setback and some lost equipment.

[tonacidigital]

Those BASTARDS....I'm in complete shock right now.

[WarrenS]

And anyone banned by Jarred is banned from buying a RED.

[Weston]

This is terrible news. I can't imagine how pissed you guys must be. I'm angry myself.

Good luck catching those f*ckers.

[filmmaker1977]

ha ha ha so so true Blaine, so true.:evil:

eheh

edit
i'm an artist.. i'm an artist..

[Brandon Rice]

and Lakmir0, welcome to the very elite group on dvxuser we call the banned group. It seems you will fit in well.

WHOOT!!! Finally that dudes... gone....

Anyway, that totally sucks about the break-in... I'll of course keep my eyes and ears open... I hope you catch the suckers who did this!:kali:

[acehole111]

Gotta love the Banwa.

It takes alot to peeve off Jarred, and Im glad he came through.

[casey warren]

I can't believe people would steal something like this. Jim has been extremely generous in these forums by sharing information and up to date developments about RED. It is extremely rare that the owner of a large corporation would come to these forums and support his product. I mean, you can log on, and actually talk to the founder of a company whose products are globally recognized. I thank Jim and the RED team for their support of this community and their willingness to actually listen to customers and build their products from customer input. I am appalled and furious that someone would take advantage of this generosity and steal something of this nature.

I also think that it is disgraceful for people to think that this is a hoax or some kind of inside job. The RED team has given the people here on these forums a unique and rare insight into the development of a product that will revolutionize the industry that most of us build our lives around.

I support RED, from the start to the finish.

[Craig Ryan]

*phew* glad that didnt have to stay there Jarred. :thumbup:

[Anders Holck]

Great news to wake up to.....not!

And if the actual break in wasn't disturbing enough, those reactions are plain crazy. Whoa, talk about being ignorant, rude, and close minded.

[imgentertainment@mac]

such bullshit. This is one time where im gonna turn the other way when you guys lay down the boots to these guys spreading this shit.. cause sometimes assholes deserve to get a little kick in the ass.

I agree this is blullshit.. And just send me an email adress and we'll find all of them and get a couple hard pipe hitting guys down there to teach them what it feels like to be a woman.

Sorry this has got me all worked up and ready to kick some ass

[Clint Johnson]

Some people just don’t seem very bright.

It isn’t a cover up to hide something from investors. There are no “investors” since Jim is paying for it all himself- and even if Red doesn’t make a penny it won’t be a hardship for the man. It isn’t chump change but for him it probably isn’t much more than two or three percent of his personal worth.

If Red manages to get Red One to market with the capabilities and pricing that they are targeting then there is no need for theatrics and if they don’t hit their targets... well then no amount of theatrics will sell the product. While you might not be smart enough to figure that out I’m pretty sure that he is. That’s almost as idiotic as thinking that Jim Jannard has set this up to scam a few million dollars out of people.

As for thinking that it was to cover up problems they’ve had in development? He’s said that it won’t delay them more than a day or two, and since he has stated previously that they were weeks ahead of schedule it doesn’t really make sense as a delaying tactic now does it? I suppose you imagined him scheming away in his lair trying to find some way to hide the fact that he is only twelve days ahead of schedule rather than fifteen?

I can’t understand the hate on some people have for this endeavor and Jim personally? You act as if he just told you that your baby is really, really ugly and that his kids are way cuter. Jim, through Red, is simply trying to engineer a really good camera at a great price. He has taken the unprecedented step of opening up the design and engineering process with the expressed intent to gather constructive feedback from the community he is targeting. And some of you just can’t help but peeing in the pool and congratulate yourself on how cool you are.

I have put my deposit on a Red Camera but I certainly haven’t drank the kool-aid. If he succeeds I’ll happily pay the remainder but if for some reason he can’t pull off the engineering required and falls short of the target... then I will simply thank him for the effort and get my money back. And I’m not worried about getting my money back. Maybe you would jeopardize a multi-billion dollar personal fortune for a couple million dollars- but that is probably one of the reasons he has that kind of money and you don’t? Just because lies, deceit and fraud is the first place that your mind goes doesn’t mean that is how others operate.

Faking a robbery would have no upside for Jim or Red and would have several real drawbacks. Jumping to that conclusion shows a mean, petty spirit and an intellect in dire need of remedial courses in logic and reasoning.

[Tim Le]

I can't believe people would steal something like this.
Have you seen some of the people on the other forums who are vehemently against RED and Jim Jannard? Some of them seem to make it their personal crusade to hound him and the company. I've never seen people so angry over a camera.

That's why all it takes is one nut job or a nut job and his buddies to break some glass, go in there and steal computer and hardware in less time than it takes for the cops to respond to the alarm.

It doesn't take an insider to do this job. Some people seem to think RED is some huge industrial complex with secret labs protected by keycode locks so only an insider must have done it. What if RED is just a non-descript industrial building with just some offices? From Jarred's description and the google map of the facility that's what I thought it was.

I know industrial espionage makes for a better "story" for some people here to believe but honestly I bet it was just some idiot who did this for a reason only they know.

[insanityfw]

Have you seen some of the people on the other forums who are vehemently against RED and Jim Jannard? Some of them seem to make it their personal crusade to hound him and the company. I've never seen people so angry over a camera.



And then again it might not even be about the camera. Some people are just born to hate. Look at Jim...successful business guy, cool dude and has hundreds of millions of dollars. Sometimes that's the real focus of hatred.

To Jim I say. Make another billion or two and fuck 'em all. They say good living is the best revenge and in this case good living is the camera that has been kicking around your mind for years (my assumption). Bring it on.

[CVB]

Disruptive technologies such as RED are those that come out of the blue and throw our basic assumptions out the window. The light bulb and the motor car were disruptive technologies that turned the world on end. They came out of nowhere and there was fierce resistance because it was so different than the norm. Gas companies were in an uproar, horse carriage companies were going crazy and the people on the downside of the new technology were less than happy with the innovation. ( picture all the guys on stilts that used to light the gas lamps )

Established businesses work very hard to avoid disruptions - they like to do in the future what has worked in the past. If there is any innovating to be done then they want to do it at their own pace. When people like Jim come along and start rattling their cages there is little recourse but to try and downplay the significance of the technology or resort to attacking the integrity of the inventor. Look how long its taken to get a friggin 24P camera thats affordable.

This type of behavior has occured repeatedly through history, in the end its the consumers that determine what happens, not the antiquated company or industry that is being displaced. My advice to all of the people that are in denial is that you'd better start taking night classes at your community college and diversifing your skillset rather than following a dated technology into oblivion.

[windsok]

its on engadget.com now :)

[Lowkus]

To Jim I say. Make another billion or two and fuck 'em all. They say good living is the best revenge and in this case good living is the camera that has been kicking around your mind for years (my assumption). Bring it on.
Or he could spend the bulk of his wealth in an effort to help mankind.

[Emanuel]

Have you seen some of the people on the other forums who are vehemently against RED and Jim Jannard? Some of them seem to make it their personal crusade to hound him and the company. I've never seen people so angry over a camera.Why is it so?

Is it necessary to answer?

EDIT -- Sorry, you already answered and said all:
Actually, I think it's all about the camera. The camera's capabilities and price point will cause changes in the industry and these changes won't be good for everyone. There are any numbers of people other than the camera manufacturers who would want to maintain the status quo. In my opinion it is these individuals, not the corporations, that are more likely to do something as rash as a brazen burglary.

[Brook Willard]

its on engadget.com now :)
Interesting... I tipped them off when the 4K grab was put up... no dice. The company makes big public progress? Not newsworthy. Somebody steals something from the company? That is.

[CVB]

Mr. Jannard, Perhaps you should direct your anger and frustration at yourself for not protecting your assets better. In the future, I recommend that you sit beside your valuables while you're reading and contributing to these forums. That should keep them within sight 24 hours a day. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

omfg.. .dude. Whats he supposed to do, pack up everything every night and check it into a bank vault? Maybe he should have several armed guards?

[TimTyler]

Well, Im sorry if you guys wouldnt even consider an inside You can call me whatever you want, but me and some buddies at Cinematography.com do indeed feel that there is something fishy going on with this.

Who are you, and who are your buddies?

[vegansoy]

omfg.. .dude. Whats he supposed to do, pack up everything every night and check it into a bank vault? Maybe he should have several armed guards?
Yes, obviously. Peace.

[deadkrash]

Hey Vegansoy, it's a good thing they don't require IQ tests on this board before posting, or you'ed never get to say anything...

[dwingdk]

Really sorry to hear about the break in but I'm especially sorry to hear there are people out there doubting your story. It's a shame that one of the larger online communities dedicated to cinematography would have such animosity that it would actually lead to making fun of the situation or accusing the project of a hoax.

I don't know what will feel better... the pat on the back Red team inevitably give themselves when the finish the race or the moment when you can all look at the rest of the world and tell them I told you so.

"Life is short. Do great things." -Jim Jannard

[evenblink]

Vegansoy go eat your tofu and STFU!

[Josch]

Seriously, what did they really hope to achieve by doing this??


Find out who actually makes the casing, the sensor, circuits......
Put pressure on them to "have difficulties".

Just like that 4K projector shit Sony pulled at ibc.

Jochen

PS: But maybe I´m too paranoid because I was watching Oliver Stone´s "Nixon" last night. You know, Watergate, etc..

[insanityfw]

I bet Oliver Stone is behind all of this.

[CVB]

lol insanity... betcha anything that John F Kennedy is kicking back on a beach somewhere shooting the waves at 4K.

[Brook Willard]

Why are we all arguing and fighting in this thread? It's getting us nowhere and it's pissing people off.

The facts:

RED was broken into.
It is not a publicity stunt.
Stuff was stolen.
We don't know who stole it.
We don't know what was stolen.
RED ONE will not be delayed as a result.

Maybe security could've been tighter, maybe it was stolen by some competing company with malicious intent, who knows?

Lets just do everything we can to help out. If anybody reading has any information that can lead to an arrest, contact Jim. Stop arguing, stop accusing and start doing something that can make a difference.

[zuvis]

The key asset is the sensor. [I think that´s what spy went after] You can design casing in your garage but you need a über expensive plant to build sensors. No sensor - no camera. [look what happened to kinetta..]

[insanityfw]

Why are we all arguing and fighting in this thread? It's getting us nowhere and it's pissing people off.

The facts:

RED was broken into.
It is not a publicity stunt.
Stuff was stolen.
We don't know who stole it.
We don't know what was stolen.
RED ONE will not be delayed as a result.

Maybe security could've been tighter, maybe it was stolen by some competing company with malicious intent, who knows?

Lets just do everything we can to help out. If anybody reading has any information that can lead to an arrest, contact Jim. Stop arguing, stop accusing and start doing something that can make a difference.

Good point Brook. Good night.

[evenblink]

We only get mad when people say stupid things. I am all for doing everything we can to help.

[tonacidigital]

Mr. Jannard, Perhaps you should direct your anger and frustration at yourself for not protecting your assets better. In the future, I recommend that you sit beside your valuables while you're reading and contributing to these forums. That should keep them within sight 24 hours a day. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

blame the victim eh? so supportive you are.

your post also takes aim at Jim's participationi in these forums which I think is so great about Jim.

Jim thanks for sharing so much. like everyone else said..this unfortunate incident will only make RED stronger.

[Lowkus]

Dude, are you a complete idiot. First you accuse him of a hoax (which makes no sense at all because the police are involved and it would be a crime to file a false police report) and then you say he should be angry at himself instead of you for making such an obviously stupid and idiot suggestion? And now you say it's his fault for not protecting his assets better? Freakin unbelievable.
I don't think he's an idiot...

Firstly, hoaxes happen and there is no reason that police wouldn't be dragged into one (false police reports are a crime, but there's no punishment unless caught). And although it's unlikely the hoax would come from Red, you can't deny that Red will be getting an exorbitant amount of spotlight from this situation. Without any details, speculation and conspiracy theories are bound to show up. VeganSoy just proposed a typical conspiracy theory and Jim's response to him was pretty harsh... I let it slide since I expect Jim is going to be angry and on edge for a day or two after being robbed.

Secondly, the responsibility of theft prevention ultimately rests on the person who doesn't want their assets stolen. So even though Jim's not at fault for the theft being carried out, it is Jim's fault that the theft was completed successfully. Was the equipment locked down in a safe each night, or just left out on a desk? Was the office situated high in the sky or on the ground floor? Was there no guard on duty? There are a lot of anti-theft measures that could have been done that appear to have not been done. Course, that's me speculating, since I don't have any of that info... maybe the thief/thieves broke a window after scaling several stories, clubbed a guard, cracked a safe and then got away in a storm of bullets.

[robinbuday]

I'm very curious as to what kind of information could have been stolen. No doubt the majority of their research and technical data resides on a computer and it would be hard to believe that the machines holding this data aren't encrypted. Surely if the information was stolen there would be some record of who was the last to log into the system and access those files at the time of the break-in. Maybe they stole the drives out of the computers? Also, wouldn't the information on RED specs be ridiculously vast? If somone were to steal something crucial they would need to know exactly what to look for and, to make things faster, where to look for it. I'm very sorry to Jim and the RED team for this set back. Thankfully you guys are too progressive a team to let this get you down. Do us all a favor and find the bastard(s)...

[robroysyd]

That some would think this a stunt is kind of predictable.
Perhaps that was the intent of the break in.
The reaction to those who've said so is also kind of predictable.
Both sides of the argument could well be doing exactly what the perpetrators wanted.

[robinbuday]

That some would think this a stunt is kind of predictable.
Perhaps that was the intent of the break in.
The reaction to those who've said so is also kind of predictable.
Both sides of the argument could well be doing exactly what the perpetrators wanted.

We all love a good who-dun-it....

[Josch]

Mr. Jannard, Perhaps you should direct your anger and frustration at yourself for not protecting your assets better. In the future, I recommend that you sit beside your valuables while you're reading and contributing to these forums. That should keep them within sight 24 hours a day. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Whow, now that´s a nice thing to say to a crime victim.

Jochen

[ZaneIsNumber1]

Just catching up now.

I would just like to wish Red the best of luck in dealing with this atrocity. I hope that reward check gets cashed soon and no valuable information gets into the hands of those who could seriously undermine your work.

If I wasn't on the otherside of the world, I would come and sweep up glass.

Zane :)

[boothba]

To our new friends from cinematography.com:

While my first instinct is to ask why you care (not being a red supporters and all) it is all to obvious that what you really need right now is... support and understanding. Yes, I am sorry that Jim released that 4k image today. That was just cruel and unthoughtful of him. Did he once consider how it would make you and your friends feel? He's just a mean, mean man. And how dare he make a big deal about being robbed, when the real crisis is that your argument against red is falling apart. That's gonna hurt, and we understand. So let it out. Let it all out. I'm sure Jim will even let you kick him a little, 'cause it just hurts so bad. We're here for you bros. But go away.

[mike the beginner]

If I wasn't on the otherside of the world, I would come and sweep up glass.


Me too but i would be in every shady bar i go go round trying to get info.

I know it's hard guys but lets just ignore the rude and insulting posts and give red all the support we can

Michael

[pixelated]

Quote: Originally Posted by vegansoy Mr. Jannard, Perhaps you should direct your anger and frustration at yourself for not protecting your assets better. In the future, I recommend that you sit beside your valuables while you're reading and contributing to these forums. That should keep them within sight 24 hours a day. The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

First, to Mr Jannard and the entire RED Team - heartfelt condolences and best wishes. May our small band's shared sense of outrage be of some small comfort to you and your team.

I am sure that some of the posts here and on other sites have sorely tested any belief that you could possibly be members of the same specie. But you knew you were different long before this - that's why they hate you.

Second, to all you liberal posters who sincerely believe that if you leave your keys in your car and it's stolen then it's obviously your fault and you should be held morally or even criminally liable, I can only hope that you or your family are never forced to experience the soul wrenching sense of intimate mental and physical violation an act like this evokes.

If you have not yet done so, please consider relocating to places like Portland or Boston where you may revel in the companionship of like minded socialists. May you never come to understand that a liberal is simply a conservative who's never been mugged.

... and don't even DARE think of buying a RED - you're not worthy.

[Clint Johnson]

I guess some folk will just always think that the victim was kinda asking for it.

[Steve Shovlar]

Just read this rather shocking news. But here's a thought. If it was stolen by a souvenier hunter, its likely to show up. $100,000 reward will be tempting to take. They will think up a plan. " Hey man, I was just walking down the street and went to throw my empty Coke can in the bin when something caught my eye. I reached in and saw it was a camera and some papers". I claim my reward.

If its industrial espianage, just clean up the glass, change the locks, stick 24 hour security on the doors and put it down to experience. At the end of the day no one was killed or hurt, and the camera won't be delayed.

If it was the opposition, they will all be buying the camera anyway once released and disecting it to see how it works.

Good luck with getting back on schedule.

[tlorenzo]

OMFG! This is really bad news! As Ted says - equipment can be replaced - but it's more the fact that someone has been carefully planning something like this that's truly scary - corporate espionage or not.

Jim - my deepest sympathy for what has happened. I sure don't hope that this means you won't be as open and sharing with us here at DVXUser as you've already been.

[Milan Nikolic]

It is bad, bad news! But it is also good news because it is sure sign that you have an superior product! My guess is that it is done by criminals who wants to sell it to your competition. Friend of mine who visited IBC was told that one other company is making similar camera, but the person did not revel the name. May be you should inquire in this direction. It seams logical given the fact that no one ever herd of such endeavor so far. Good luck with this anyway!

[kalone]

There´s something nearly everybody´s missing in the scenario of industrial espionage by one of the "big guys", this camera is mainly going to be a threat to them because it´ll be so "cheap" that they never will be able to compete, because most of the time the big names offered overpriced, underperforming stuff - do your really think anybody will steal RED´s knowledge to fabricate something that produces thin, no ( or most likely ) negative margins for them ( who have massive overhead costs ? )
Maybe it´s only some kind of checking-out, to know how big the "threat" is, who knows ?

K.

[evinsky]

I'm truly sorry you guys got hit. If it's any consolation my powerbook got stolen two weeks ago, obvious economies of scale aside I had to reorganize my entire life around the possibility that some asshole had my SS# and every other sensitive piece of info you could imagine. I feel for you guys.
I'm just bummed I missed the chance to ban Lakmir0.

[Sidderke]

To our new friends from cinematography.com:

While my first instinct is to ask why you care (not being a red supporters and all) it is all to obvious that what you really need right now is... support and understanding. Yes, I am sorry that Jim released that 4k image today. That was just cruel and unthoughtful of him. Did he once consider how it would make you and your friends feel? He's just a mean, mean man. And how dare he make a big deal about being robbed, when the real crisis is that your argument against red is falling apart. That's gonna hurt, and we understand. So let it out. Let it all out. I'm sure Jim will even let you kick him a little, 'cause it just hurts so bad. We're here for you bros. But go away.

LOL Great post!!!

That aside, I hope RED caughts the thieves quickly, and I'm very curious to who was behind this. It's great that RED will not be delayed.
My support to RED.

[EL_STUPIDO]

Looking forward to that post titled: 'theives caught, prototype safe, files recovered'.

good luck and invest in sharks with laser beams for future prototypes security areas.

El Stupido

[SPZ]

Jim and the Red team- Keep it up! Unfortunatelly, I still can't afford your wonderful camera, and I bought an HVX. Each day I'm learning and earning more in this transitional HD era, and I sincerely hope that I will be able to afford your system in 2 years time.

I hope that, by then, the RED had made the big corporations reduce their high end machine's ridiculous prices (including decks). I dream of the day of a AJ HD 1400 dvcpro hd deck for 5000 dollars, Or a Competing Sony Cinelata with HDCAM SR recording at 17 000 dollars...

This would be the day that TALENT and CREATIVITY would be the biggest driving force of this industry, and not money and lobbies...

Keep up the good work, RED TEAM! We are with you! It's not over untill the fat lady (or ladies) sings! (And they will surelly sing in pain when you finish your project :) )

[Jim Arthurs]

Or he could spend the bulk of his wealth in an effort to help mankind.

This sort of suggestion makes me ill to my guts.

Because when people suggest it, they never follow it to the logical extreme they're suggesting. Which is... are you doing everything personally you can to help "mankind"? Why stop with Jim J.? Shouldn't this also apply to yourself?

I mean, you live in the industrialized West, and compared to third world conditions you're rich beyond dreams. Maybe you should give everything you have past the bare minimum you need to survive in order to "help mankind"?

But wait, even better, why should you even determine what the amount you need to survive is? Maybe someone should tell you what that bare minimum is, and take away everything beyond that, to "help mankind". Limit individual success, and distribute the profits "fairly".

To Jim Jannard and the RED team... the violation you feel is felt by all of us here who understand.

To my friend and others with better ideas on the distribution of wealth...Go read "The Fountainhead" and "Atlas Shrugged", 'cause I cast myself with that damned selfish lot and consider them good company.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Are you kidding me? Maybe you should come down from Portland and help us clean up the glass. Asshole.

Jim

Good man Jim.... Well said.. And I'm glad you said it.. Might want to take a quick jaunt over to the idiots at Cinematography.com and say the same

Jay

[stephen natanson]

Sorry to hear about the break in. Obviously you are doing the right thing at the right time. People are begining to pay attention.

The stills from the camera are amazing!

Keep up the good work. A lot of us are looking forward to working with your camera.


stephen

[stephenvv]

There is one big reason and many small reasons that this is very unlikely a hoax. The big reason is "THE LAW".

Faking a crime including making public announcements especially if you file insurance claim or any other act resulting in money changing hands you will get fraud and/or conspiracy charges. Plus, it's just flat out illegal in some jurisdictions I believe (I'm not a lawyer or prosecutor but there are plenty of cases on google).

So unless RED/Jim are complete idiots (complete idiots generally don't build cameras, the U-Matic 3/4" camera & deck that crushed my spine in the 80s being the exception :evil:), staging a robbery, calling the police, offering a reward, contacting news etc., filing insurance would put them in a world of hurt, much more than just saying "development failed, no camera ever."

The wacko conspirators everwhere nuts do have a misguided point that Jim's announcement is unusual by corporate standards (in that he made one as opposed to keeping it quiet), but given RED's approach, it makes sense.

Once they filed a police report, it's public record and since RED is being scrutinized heavily, the info would have been out shortly in the media and RED would have been in defense.

Putting the story out themselves quickly with "we are still 100% on track" & reward offer is an smart offensive move and just good PR (in the best sense of that phrase) which alas, most corporations, suck at. RED has always been on the offensive and been stunningly open about their development process from the beginning.

And finally, Jim is obviously extremely aware of the postive benefits of the Internet community - the best chance he has of finding the perps and embarrassing any other company that potentially might be involved is getting the word out to as many people as possible and offering a fat big reward.

[acehole111]

I just think everyone should stop dignifying the idiotic accusations with "explanations". To be perfectly honest, besides sympathy and concern, its none of anyones goddamn business. Unless they want to come forward with some helpful information or leads.

I just read the thread over at cinematography.com and boy do they sound like a bunch of bitter souls. They were beyond rude to Jim and calling Teds post "spam". Dissapointing because I thought those folks were OK. Obviously far from.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Some people will be seeing this post for the first time for another day or so (Some even longer) but I would like to suggest something to all of the "active" posters on here.

Let's follow Jim's example and move on. He has a camera to build, and we have a number of subjects and types of feedback to discuss..

Jim is on schedule, which means (I hope) they will be shooting this week and we will be seeing some MAJOR cool footage. If that changes, Jim will let us know. But until then, it was a break in.. It's over, Jim and the guys are back on track already.. I say we keep up and post in other areas.

over 16,000 views has happened on this thread, lets give them something else to read about.

Jay

It's just a suggestion...

[acehole111]

Some people will be seeing this post for the first time for another day or so (Some even longer) but I would like to suggest something to all of the "active" posters on here.

Let's follow Jim's example and move on. He has a camera to build, and we have a number of subjects and types of feedback to discuss..

Jim is on schedule, which means (I hope) they will be shooting this week and we will be seeing some MAJOR cool footage. If that changes, Jim will let us know. But until then, it was a break in.. It's over, Jim and the guys are back on track already.. I say we keep up and post in other areas.

over 16,000 views has happened on this thread, lets give them something else to read about.

Jay

It's just a suggestion...

Totally Agree. Lets move on. Positive energy!

I absoloutely cannot wait to see footage. I've set up the projector room for the occasion. :D

[stephenvv]

You guys may be sick of it but it's just breaking out today. I just heard about it this morning, so why it may be old news to daily vistors here, but its breaking news as of today.

Sometimes stating the obvious is needed and after I scanned 160+ posts, no one clearly made the fraud point.

It will be a story for sometime to come, unfortunately.

[Jay A. Kelley]

That's fine.. If you feel the need to keep talking about it, then do so. I'm sure glad the guys building the camera don't follow that train of thought though.

Another point: The people who are coming here to ONLY read about the breakin, are not really the people we need to be speaking too.. We're here for other reasons. But that's just my take on it.

See ya

Jay

[penfever]

Wow. This thread got pretty crazy overnight. I'm out of this, but best of luck to Jim and his Team.

[twocik23]

I just wanted to put this out there, I'm not really sure how many people you have working there, but do you think it might be an inside job? Another good place to spread the word would be myspace.com .

[AuditoryVisuals]

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/25/red-digital-cinema-burglarized-100k-reward-for-leads/ Look at what Dolomite said!

[ludmux]

It is so silly - if anyone will use what he got - everybody will know it. but in fact - we see a lot of people fearing red. I don´t know why - we see a very big chance with red - nevertheless we will rent also sony and panasonic - because it´s a complete different market. hopefully they will be caught - if I would know where to look for - I would go to do it ! Keep a sharp eye on it ! At IBC I talked with a friend of mine - he believes that one of the big companies will try to disturb or to spam or to harras the RED idea !
Take care Jim - you have a lot of people waiting on RED !

[insanityfw]

This sort of suggestion makes me ill to my guts.

Because when people suggest it, they never follow it to the logical extreme they're suggesting. Which is... are you doing everything personally you can to help "mankind"? Why stop with Jim J.? Shouldn't this also apply to yourself?

I mean, you live in the industrialized West, and compared to third world conditions you're rich beyond dreams. Maybe you should give everything you have past the bare minimum you need to survive in order to "help mankind"?

But wait, even better, why should you even determine what the amount you need to survive is? Maybe someone should tell you what that bare minimum is, and take away everything beyond that, to "help mankind". Limit individual success, and distribute the profits "fairly".

To Jim Jannard and the RED team... the violation you feel is felt by all of us here who understand.

To my friend and others with better ideas on the distribution of wealth...Go read "The Fountainhead" and "Atlas Shrugged", 'cause I cast myself with that damned selfish lot and consider them good company.

Thank you Jim. I was trying to figure out how to respond, but couldn't come up with something so well stated, because I was shaking with frustration. :)

[pastywhiteboy]

i hate, and HAVE hated, nearly everybody on cinematography.com boards for years. they are old and tired

Yes, but think of the pluses to cinematography.com... it provides a nice, organized ban list of people who will never be allowed to purchase a RED camera.

[Jason Ramsey]

Ok....


*EDIT Took out my cursing of the dummies. I calmed down :)

Jason

*EDIT = Wow. There were over 800 something users online today. 782 as of this typing. Geez.

[MojoTrancer]

Man there are times that I feel so darn paranoid. Red is shaking things up and they get broken into. The Tesla company comes out with their Tesla Roadster that runs on lithium-ion batteries so then everyone's laptop batteries start blowing up.

it's all threatening to turn me into a conspiracy nut. Arrrgh!!

And as for cinematography.com, those guys are always brutal about anything concerning video. And they especially have a mean-on for RED. I've been avoiding reading RED posts on there because it was pissing me off too much. Its a great resource for information, but I have posted there maybe twice and thats about it.

I'm not quite a RED fanboy yet (yet...!) but I think you guys are really doing something special. and I salute you.

The perpatrators of this crime will get theirs. and it will be a wonderful thing to behold.

[Clint Johnson]

We have to just try and ignore the trolls I guess. They show up on pretty much every forum and spout some incredibly stupid ideas just so that they can rile everyone up. You gotta think that they aren't really as dumb as they sound, it is possible but they sound really dumb. My take is that they are just mean spirited and this is the closest they can get to creativity.

[twocik23]

Look guys take it easy, Jim lost most of everything and you guys are fighting, what's that going to solve?

I wouldn't mind 100k at all, so let's find the damn people that did this and make some money! :)

[Jannard]

While items taken included many computers, drives, monitors, prototypes (including our "shiny" aluminum IBC prototype), ID files and our Scratch system... it appears that the thieves did NOT get any sensors, sensor information or our primary "Frankenstein" shooting camera. It took all the RED troops coming back in to put all the pieces together. We will resume shooting and testing tomorrow. This would be the easiest piece to identify as stolen.

BTW... I will only post on this board and dvinfo.net in the future. Too much work to concentrate on several boards. My best.

Jim

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/10724/1158614203.jpg

[acehole111]

Thankgod! I'm happy to hear this. What clowns.

[Gopher_Greene]

Keep going Jim we're here for the long haul. Glad to hear the sensor is safe!

[kalone]

Rejecting cinematography.com is a very wise decision Mr. Jannard, ok, fanboyism isn´t that good either, but the behaviour on that forum by richard boddington, that grizzly-adams-avatar-guy and some other people is unacceptable.

Unfortunately David Mullen and a few other are the only people with a balanced opinion on the "red"-boards.

[Brook Willard]

Good to hear, Jim.

[Jay A. Kelley]

Hey that's FANTASTIC news about the sensor! As you have said many times this is the heart of RED..

Also cool is somewhere out there are some stupid thieves saying "WHAT!?!? You mean this shiny thing is NOT A REAL CAMERA?!?!"

That's cool.. They took stuff, but missed the two most important things.

I love poetic justice.

Jay

[mavrix]

Definitely good news - but still a punch-in-the-gut that the theft occurred at all.

[agwah]

Right on Jim

Those guys are no more than a couple of dead pixels on a 4k sensor.

Now is a good time to shoot sunset footage of babes on the beach.

[imgentertainment@mac]

Jim Good to hear that they didn't get anything with the sensor. They messed up big time and thank god. We'll keep our eyes out I've been checking Craigslist to see if anything RED related pops up. Sounds like everything can be replaced. Keep pushing forward and good luck. And we really do appreciate that you post here.
Don

[Brook Willard]

Yeah, Boddington in particular...
Come on, guys. Lets not bring all the complaining and personal attacks into this thread as well.

[Hideaki Anno]

This genius guy already has predicted evr'ything is happened "today" but in the far "04-10-2006, 12:05 AM" , we need more genius guys like him (maybe Jim can give him some money for his prophecy :) ):

Dear Emanuel, Red camera it's supposed to ship at the end of year...but the problem is that this company it's new born! It does not have resellers, nothing. It has no story.
Think about Panasonic and problems to make numerous Hvx200 cameras, it's a famous company and has lots of problem.
If Red could provide the revolution, they sure will have some problems with all others companies tryin' to stop Red.
Think about Drake camera, or Kinetta...do you remember what's happened?
Ev'ry year we've heard that somethin' of incredible will change movie's industry...but it' not happened nothing.
I believe that a bunch of companies keep a check on the market, and we know what it means.
I'm a lot skeptical about Red, the camera is achievable, but make a thing in series, and sell to wordwide...mmm...this is pure Scifi.
Think also about Guerilla35...
If the price is so competitive and quality too probably will destroy the rental market, you know what it means? Jim Jannard will have some threatening call at the phone...and ya know...people don't want die.
Killin' people for this busisness it's ordinary thing, it happens evr'yday...
We know that a Red camera is achievable, but drillin' an hole in the Jim Jannard's head it's more easy than make a new camera.
Think about it! History repeats always itself. A man discovers a revolutionary thing, another man steals the idea and the project and become rich.
This time we have already a rich man, so maybe the things are more balanced.

[goldyprog]

Yeah, Boddington in particular is a complete fuckstick. He and his cronies , Phillips & Goulder amongst them, have been DYING for RED to fail since the first announcement...It's actually even more virulent than the CML, which has been embarrasing recentiy for something that is supposedly a professional forum.


Who are these people? Are they cinematographers? Just curious....

[mdharrington]

Good to hear Jannard...
Glad they didn't get sensor data....I'm sure they got something though... I am totally convinced this was industrial espionage...as I'm sure do you. Hopefully you can get the FBI involved. I can't see stealing a prototype unless they have a buyer already, or are doing on behalf of said buyer.

You've now joined the ranks of Howard Hughes, Tucker and others who were a little too revolutionary for comfort.

[Jaime Valles]

That's great news! It could have been much, much worse... Good luck with forging ahead. Can't wait to see the finished product!

[babubu]

Watch out,Jim
This may be a sentinel event leading to something else.
Extra security,for product and Personnel is in immediate need I think.
babu

[Kholi]

Will you release a Red Special that looks just like that? I'd shoot with it.

Keep moving.

[obendega]

Great to hear they didn't get any sensor info.

Thanks for keeping us in the know Jim. You have no idea how refreshing it is to have a company (and its CEO!) treat its customers and potential customers with such respect. I think that is why we all feel this theft so personally. Keep up the great work.

[Jay A. Kelley]

cool

:Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

Evil me
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[Jarred Land]

keep on truckin'

[dewman]

excellent news, jim!

[valoo]

I feel a little better- good news though.

Vladimir
Red#87

[omen]

You have full support from us here...

If you protected all the ideas incorporated I presume there's no major loss (in case of patent theft)... Just be sure to check the place for any kind of bugs.

I guess this is the price for starting a revolution.

I presume the security is unbreachable now.

[yagfxg33k]

Personally, I would not take the 100K. I would take a finished camera when they are ready though. Take the balance of that 100K and dump it back into development.

[itotah]

Great news Jim.

And I completly back your choice to post here and dvinfo. Let's keep this development process to those that really want it to succeed. The creative process can be the most vunerable. When I'm writing a script or directing, I keep negative types a mile away. When I've allowed naysayers to tear down my pages and rough drafts in the name of "helping" me, I've tossed my screenplays in the trash out of frustration. It's the same when I direct, only those with a common vision on board. Truly helpful ideas welcome. Negativity disguised as helpful ideas are not. I'd never finish anything otherwise.

Onward.

[Isaac_Brody]

Can we please not talk about the behavior on other forums. Talking about them just gives them unnecessary attention. Let's keep the tone positive, and move forward.

[pastywhiteboy]

Personally, I would not take the 100K. I would take a finished camera when they are ready though. Take the balance of that 100K and dump it back into development.

Selfless people don't boast of their selflessness, lest they be selfish for attention.

-anonymous proverb

[TimurCivan]

Wow. Bad news Mr Jannard. Glad to hear the Development has not ceased. Keep on Truckin'.

[ericyoung]

Sympathy to all at Red. I know from experience how horrible and personal being robbed feels.

But it may be a blessing in disguise. It's a great heads-up on security gaps which need to be filled at a stage where the information stolen is of limited use to the thieves. And when the perpetrators are caught, we will have an idea of the kind of people to be on the lookout for in the future.

Vive la revolution!

[ericyoung]

... Just be sure to check the place for any kind of bugs.


Maybe being paranoid, as these thieves only seemed to be smart to a point, but might want to check for keyboard loggers, backdoors etc in your network, in the software but also hardware data recorders inserted into keyboards or elsewhere. Even using wireless? :zombie_smiley:

I'm sure the guys at RED are way ahead of me though!

[craigbowman]

Stunning news, sorry to hear about it Jim, but I'm glad they didn't get anything useful.

[sink]

All major leaps of technology are met with fear! They said television was the work of the devil! (I wasn't around, just according to CommArts Profs a few years ago) "They" said the same thing about radio!

[killfilm]

I still believe in Red Jim, kick some serious ass
and when you're done, kick some more

All the best from a Red fan

[saru]

Great to hear, Jim !
First, to me it was as shocking as others might have felt, but now I think surely this break-in stuff will strengthen Red more and more. The Red camera is a revolution, so all the unexpected things can happen. Keep up the good work Jim !



OT, is that that Mr. Anno ? I just realized somebody called Mr. Anno posted at DVXuser.com !



History repeats always itself. A man discovers a revolutionary thing, another man steals the idea and the project and become rich.
This time we have already a rich man, so maybe the things are more balanced.

[Emanuel]

Great to hear, Jim !
First, to me it was as shocking as others might have felt, but now I think surely this break-in stuff will strengthen Red more and more. 30,000 view(er)s, well, it is such a record!

[saru]

hmm, what d'you mean by that Emanuel? Sarcasm ? :Drogar-Dum(DBG):

[Hideaki Anno]

OT, is that that Mr. Anno ? I just realized somebody called Mr. Anno posted at DVXuser.com !
Nope I'm not that Anno! I wish...!:beer:

[saru]

Righty right. Sorry for the OT. :zombie_smiley:

[Emanuel]

hmm, what d'you mean by that Emanuel? Sarcasm ? :Drogar-Dum(DBG):No, my fellow dvxuser.com member. This is a different place. Anyway, considering what it has happen so many times lately, who knows? Isn't it?

Of course, it's not sarcasm. At least, here. I have all the respect for Jarred and it's not my style. Unless, if it will be strictly necessary with who deserves it. Frankly, how could it be possible in such context? Did you read well those red letters and silver numbers of my signature? I know there aren't capital charaters but they are there...

Still about your answer related to an alleged sarcasm, it wasn't the case. I fully agree with you. But save your tone to other latitudes, if you allow me on that.

If you don't know my posts (you don't, I'm sorry), please do a search if you wish. Thanks.

<PS>

BTW, I don't know if it's the case... Once, abroad, I used a friendly short to a fellow citizen of yours if your real name isn't Kaku Ito. And this person fully misunderstood my words. I was upset. Above all, 'cause unfortunately it wasn't possible to clear up the things and I felt offended. I learnt a lesson: be careful with the words especially when we aren't speak our own mother tongue.

Best Regards,
Emanuel

[saru]

Well, I don't really know what to say, but I'm sorry if my post did offend you in any way - it was not I wanted.

I know you and Kaku Ito for a while by reading your/his posts here and DVinfo, but didn't know what happened between you and him. (of course I am not Kaku Ito) .

As you say we're not talking with our mother tongue so let's be careful what we say. But what I really wanted to say was that I was shocked reading this original thread as everyone else, got upset, got angry, felt uneasy. I really wanted to express my sorry to JIm and his great team, because I am also the one who has been waiting for the Red revolution as you guys.

Thanks

[Emanuel]

No worries, you're welcome!

Thanks for the enlightenment,
Emanuel

[Emanuel]

I know you and Kaku Ito for a while by reading your/his posts here and DVinfo, but didn't know what happened between you and him. (of course I am not Kaku Ito) .

(...)

ThanksIt's not worthy of notice. Nevertheless, 'cause I mentioned I should explain: I used friendly the short "jap". Later I had came to know it has an offensive meaning after mid-forties. In Europe, it doesn't have the same sense. At least, where I'm coming from (southwest of europe) -- 'cause this/these continent(s) isn't/aren't easy to comprehend.

[saru]

haha, you bad boy Emanuel :)

If somebody call me "Jap" out of the blue, I might too get upset...
but it's sad you and he could not get over the sheer misunderstanding.

Anyway, let's get back to the topic as somebody might have some valuable info for whodunnit

[ZaneIsNumber1]

Rejecting cinematography.com is a very wise decision Mr. Jannard, ok, fanboyism isn´t that good either, but the behaviour on that forum by richard boddington, that grizzly-adams-avatar-guy and some other people is unacceptable.


Grizzly adams! That cracked me up.

[Emanuel]

haha, you bad boy Emanuel :)

If somebody call me "Jap" out of the blue, I might too get upset...
but it's sad you and he could not get over the sheer misunderstanding.I just called him "my fellow jap" but yes, we didn't have this chance. Those texan guys are strange, actually. CH acted preventively (it's true! :laugh:) and the opportunity was gone (it wasn't even fair including for the three parts but if the third part didn't want to know or misunderstood, what can we do?!...).

All the best and european cheers :beer:
Emanuel :)

[getken]

Those that did this awful deed to team Red are cowards. I'm rooting for you guys and know you will be successful! It's hard to describe the feelings of violation from an event like this (one has to go through it personally, and I have), but those cowards will get nowhere, and with good fortune they didn't get the important materials. Good luck, our collective thoughts are with you.

[Jay A. Kelley]

The important thing is that RED recovered from this. I must also say, with all due respect, that in a VERY small way I am somewhat glad it happened. The crooks did not get away with the "gold" shall we say, but it is clear that there were some security weaknesses in the place where RED is working.

So Jim got a message from above without a massive loss to time or equipment. I have no doubt that security measures are very different over there right now. So now things are safer than they were, and this all could have gone a very different way.

please understand I am NOT saying I am glad this happened.. Just looking at the silver lining.

RED and it's assests are safer than they were two days ago.. And we are now moving into a more critical phase of development. Keep in mind folks there will be a working prototype of this thing in LESS THAN 12 WEEKS. (We hope)

Jay

[blckhawk542]

What about security cameras? Do you have any footage of them breaking in?
Any prints?

I hope u find the guys and rip them all a new one.

Thats jus an A$$ move. Definitly Corporate Espionage

Why would they only take those vital items? I bet they didnt take the sensor cuz they couldnt find it..or jus didnt have time.

man i hope they go to jail for a long time..

[nsoltz]

... and you will know if they really knew what they were stealing if they also grabbed some of Ted's fine wines and liquors in the process.

Seriously, my thoughts are with Ted, Graeme, and all my other friends and acquaintances at Red. I do hope that the culprits will be found and, more important, the missing property recovered.

Ned Soltz

[Jarred Land]

well so much for the hoax idea.

[stephenvv]

CSI: Red....coming soon...

[Anders Holck]

Future posting on a well known forum:


Hey look at the broken glass in that picture, it's on the outside!
You don't fool me. Clearly an inside job!

[dregenthal]

Hey look at the broken glass in that picture, it's on the outside!
Clearly an inside job :-) Come on we've all seen Colombo, right?

Maybe that's just how they got out . . .

[Jason Ramsey]

not enough broken glass on the outside for it to have been broken from the inside. It was broken from the outside, from what I can tell.

See what you started again Jarred :)

Jason

[Jarred Land]

not enough broken glass on the outside for it to have been broken from the inside. It was broken from the outside, from what I can tell.

See what you started again Jarred :)

Jason

ha ha ha it never ends...

[Jason Ramsey]

you're gonna have a helluva bandwidth bill just from this story, I bet.

Jason

[CVB]

well so much for the hoax idea.

Its fake!! you can see the crop lines on the van sign... And not only that that... the shadows look all wrong. That whole scene is probably from a stage in the mojave desert :)

[D_and_G]

I'd like to say that the RED team is one fine buncha' dudes and dudettes. Despite the break in and all the other drama, they processed my zoom rez in fine order, and I appreciate all of them for their diligence.
Including all of them behind the scenes that make up the "revolution" (you to bubble gum chewer) ;)

Thanks :beer:




RED # rebel with a clue

Zoom # smooth, that's how we do it

[Terence Lehane]

Maybe you would jeopardize a multi-billion dollar personal fortune for a couple million dollars- but that is probably one of the reasons he has that kind of money and you don’t? Just because lies, deceit and fraud is the first place that your mind goes doesn’t mean that is how others operate

Sorry Clint, I read it five times. It just doesn't make sense.:(

[Clint Johnson]

Sorry Clint, I read it five times. It just doesn't make sense.:(


Terence,

No need to apologize, sometimes my fingers work faster than my brain and the results can be convoluted and near indecipherable. My rather overblown post was in response to some people insisting that Red was a hoax and Jim Jannard was trying to rip people off.

Section A is an extrapolation of the detractor’s conclusions of hoax to reflect on their own behavior if placed in Jim’s position. I was rhetorically postulating that the reason they assumed fraud was because they considered fraud to be the reasonable course of action under those circumstances.

Section A: Maybe you would jeopardize a multi-billion dollar personal fortune for a couple million dollars-

Section B drew a connection between the flawed logic expressed in Section A to the detractor’s failure to succeed in wealth creation to the same extent as Jim Jannard.

Section B: but that is probably one of the reasons he has that kind of money and you don’t?

Section C chastised them for automatically assuming that their belief system was the one under which everyone else worked as well.

Section C: Just because lies, deceit and fraud is the first place that your mind goes doesn’t mean that is how others operate.


I hope that cleared up more than it clouded up.

[im.thatoneguy]

I was just going to say (after not having read 24 pages, sorry.. I have other things to do)... I'd be sure to immediately go to Sony, JVC, Panasonic, Dalsa etc and let them know what happened. Not to point fingers, but to make sure they keep an eye out for someone trying to sell goods.

If the sensor was stolen, the thief is going to try and sell it, and those would be the likely suspects to be approached. For all the saber rattling, these companies are all run by good people, and I'm sure they'd do all they could to bring a thief to justice.


Some of this finger pointing is rediculous, none of "the big guys" want to see Red stamped out, there isn't some grand conspiracy to burry Jim Jannard, and I'm sure if any of them were approached with stolen goods they'd be the first to report it to the authorities.

And my condolences go out to the RED team, getting stolen from is one of the worst feelings of injustice there is. And unfortunately speaking statistically and personally, rarely ever is the culprit brought to justice.

[majormorgan]

Dear Jim and the Red team,

I am deeply grieved to hear that someone would dare to do something like this. I am relieved to hear that no-one got hurt and I sincerely hope that people come forward if they hear anything at all without even thinking about the reward.

At the end of the day you guys are investing your time and money into a camera system for all of us thats gonna blow everything else out of the water and I'm not alone, we all thank-you for that tremendously.

The only take out I could see [if any] is that someone or some company out there has really been stirred up to do something like this because of the creative and technical acheivements you are pioneering. Be them the perpetrators or commissioners of the act - they are scared. Scared enough to do something desperate and stupid and I hope we find out who they are to condem them.

"That which doesn't kill us only makes us stronger..." - I don't know who said that originally, but here I can see, even from something as terrible as this event, that your dedicated team will probably now find a way to make it surpass your own expectations that you had BEFORE this incident. And I hope that this will then rattle the offenders cages even further.

Stay safe and kick a$*e guys !!

Kindest regards,
Richard Morgan
[Majormorgan]

[acrochordon]

Jim said they took computer monitors. That makes me think they were ordinary thieves. A spy isn't going to get any info from a monitor. If I lived in CA, I would be checking out all the pawn shops. I would want that 100K reward. The thieves will probably throw away the "shiny" camera when they find out it doesn't work. A pawn shop probaby will not want a camera that doesn't work either. It might be easier to track down the other stuff, even if they are not one of a kind items. It will be interesting to find out who did this.

[Fugitive]

Good point. What benefit would a monitor be? Hard-disks and files makes sense.

Originally when I read this post, i thought it was a small break-in, just a guy or two, the usual grab-and-run kind of stuff. But now it looks much bigger. I just cant help but wonder that with Red being such a revolutionary thing, and so top-secret (it must have had some tight security), how no-one at Red noticed such a huge break-in in progress?

Anyway, good to hear that things are still running smoothly. I know one incident wont put the breaks on Red. They just need to remember that prevention is better than cure. :)

[gcaus]

I have to jump in here.

It appears, based on Jim's post that the break in was related to RED and primarily intellectual property - hopefully they didn't get too much information, and it isn't the final version in any event. Still, this is disruptive technology, and a competitor could glean important information.

This type of thing isn't new. I remember when I worked for IBM during college in 1989, a group ripped the door off of the front of the building and rammed through a few doors to get a prototype next-gen PC. I doubt it helped them much, though. It was a pro job, in and out so fast that the security systems didn't help at all. This was in Boca Raton, Florida.

Industrial espionage happens, although I've never met anyone who has been involved in it.

This forum is backing Jim, which it should. But, ironically, the most paranoid and sometimes most likely to believe complex conspiracy theories are also the most creative types. Often, they don't hand around the high-level executives or board member types and realize that they are actually human, and usually extremely ethical. I've met unethical business people, but usually in an ethical corporate culture they die out.

I have extremely close friends that actually believe some of my other good friends are part of a conspiracy because they think the company is evil. That's life.

Still, let's not forget the lesson learned at HP. I would have never believed that a Chairman would authorize spying personal phone records of the press and fellow board members! So, anything is possible if someone is desperate enough.

Red is amazing, I have to say that I never looked at purchasing Oakley sunglasses in the past, but all this chat has had me looking for a pair. At least I can feel like I'm helping :)

So, I'll forgive our fellow creative types for being to ready to bash the corporate types either at Red or the competition, but I think to help pay for the cost of fixing the glass at the break-in we should purchase a few pair of cool shades...

-Jerry

[acrochordon]

I have to say that I never looked at purchasing Oakley sunglasses in the past, but all this chat has had me looking for a pair. At least I can feel like I'm helping

I went to look at some today.

[Richard Boddington]

banned.

[Jannard]

The inference that we "staged" the break-in was not well received. I've never been accused of fraud before. My words stand... here or anywhere.

BTW, criticism on this board has lead to many changes in our program. The difference is that it is presented in a respectful manner here.

Jim

[Jarred Land]

Hey Richard.. welcome to DVXuser. I hope you enjoyed your rather brief stay, and i hope the door slams you in the ass on the way out.

[Finner]

From a new Red One reservation member (This Afternoon)I completely trust that what you are trying to do is shake up a fat complacient industry and help the little guy. My big question is you mentioned an "advantage" to those that trusted you early and reserved. What might that advantage be??????

[Blaine]

Hey Richard.. welcome to DVXuser. I hope you enjoyed your rather brief stay, and i hope the door slams you in the ass on the way out.
LMAO :grin: :grin: And yet, the stay was longer than I expected... Good show, Jarred :beer:

[Jannard]

Some of Richard's posts:

Look Red order holders don't be surprised if Red announces that due to the break in your camera delivery is delayed six months or more. Just a theory mind you, I'm not accusing JJ of any underhanded stuff, I'm floating a theory we'll see if it comes true.
It just doesn't pass the "smell test" right now.
R,

Well Haakon I'm believing more and more that Red will be a non-issue, and never come to market. So I guess much of our discussion is and will be moot.
R,

You'll notice Jim the name of this forum is cinematography.com. Why are you here?
R,

I want to use an image capture medium that is a chemical reaction, not an electronic one.
R,

[firewallet]

Jim, your a nicer man than I -- and those were his "polite" posts.

[Gibby]

Richard,

forrest - trees

Clear enough?

[Jarred Land]

You'll notice Jim the name of this forum is cinematography.com. Why are you here?
R,

I want to use an image capture medium that is a chemical reaction, not an electronic one.
R,

those last two comments from him are so friggin ironically hypocritical in context to his brief encounter here.

[GabrielR]

Hey Richard.. welcome to DVXuser. I hope you enjoyed your rather brief stay, and i hope the door slams you in the ass on the way out.

BURN HIS IP DOWN!

[Mardi_Gras]

Be rest assured that you can't win 'em all is my life's mantra. Once you set out on a maverick path, like this creation of yours is leading you, then the naysayers would throng-in in their numbers to dissuade and intimidate you.

I wouldn't be bothered if I were you, Jim (though I doubt that you are). Guess that's one of the prices you pay for having an open door policy to your development process in such a combative dog-eat-dog industry.

Am sick and tired of naysayers. Burn 'em all, I say!