2k image up

[Jarred Land]

http://red.com/gallery-still.htm

check it out.. 12 bit 4.9k down to 4k then down to 2k 8bit Jpg.. and it still looks friggin incredible.

[Jannard]

This shot is a frame grab from a 24fps stream (1/48th sec.). I really like this pic because it shows off our resolution but also the soft "hand" of film. The bubble popping at this split instant shows the possibilities of shooting a stream and having an image from that stream that you can print. No noise in the blacks (anywhere actually). Our Mysterium® sensor is living up to the hype. It's not often that that happens. :-)

Jim
www.red.com

[filmmaker1977]

amazing..

but where's the beef?.. jim had already posted.. is there anything else that i'm loosing now?..

[Jarred Land]

filmmaker Jim just added a 2k image.. yesterday's entries were a little smaller.

[filmmaker1977]

cool thx jarred & jim.. you are a good team.. the best imho :thumbsup:

[Emanuel]

I fully agree!

[Jarred Land]

cool thx jarred & jim.. you are a good team.. the best imho :thumbsup:

heh heh.. good team for sure, Jim just gets the short end of the stick cause he does all the work :)

[Jannard]

If there is any interest, I guess we could post the 4k version (8-bit jpeg) tomorrow...

Jim

[Jarred Land]

I think you just made alot of peoples evening Jim.

[macintosh]

wow...that grab is just so...like you said Jarred, incredible.

[Shawn Philip Nelson]

Ah! This is incredible! I've seen the future and it's clear, bright and with short depth of field!

Viva la Redvolution!

Red#27

[Emanuel]

If there is any interest, I guess we could post the 4k version (8-bit jpeg) tomorrow...

JimJim,

And is it necessary to ask? :dankk2:

Cheers! :beer:
Emanuel

[acoreasc]

My God Jim....this is....very promising

[tonacidigital]

4k. bring it man!!

[BLUESPIDER]

Oly Shit! Mad props!

[JZalutsky]

that is some serious latitude. its looking like this thing really might change the world of film/video man...17k...wow

[Jim Arthurs]

Just when I thought I could turn off the workstation and call it a night... :).

Amazing lack of noise in the typically noisy blue channel (though I see a number of stuck pixels in this channel... micro lens defects??). Even in 8bit you can haul on the levels.

Really holds up to the promise of high end DSLR output (and then some).

I'd love to see the "two girls with cigar" presented in the same size as there is a greater DOF in that shot...

Thanks!

[Poi Boy]

Living up to the hype indeed !
Aloha
-A

[imgentertainment@mac]

All I can say is DAMN!!! wow looks so good. So much detail. And I see what you are saying about a the flim softness. The image dose not look like video. And then it dosen't look like film there is no grain. This is something new Digital Cinema and I like it.

I did notice some what looked like dead pixals but I am suprized to only see a couple awsome work on the sensor.
I think the new slogan is "Belive the truth"

I also like the fact that I'm on a 23" apple cine display And I can't see the whole image amazing.

and yes I would love to scrub around on a 4K

[valoo]

Just when I thought I could turn off the workstation and call it a night... :).

Amazing lack of noise in the typically noisy blue channel (though I see a number of stuck pixels in this channel... micro lens defects??). Even in 8bit you can haul on the levels.

Really holds up to the promise of high end DSLR output (and then some).

I'd love to see the "two girls with cigar" presented in the same size as there is a greater DOF in that shot...

Thanks!

It's bad enough I don't keep up with the porn industry, but I'm not absorbing some of the knowledge here. I see a great picture, but I'd like to see the lack of noise in the typical blue channel, also the number of dead pixels. How do you do that? I would also like to know if a greater depth of field would signify more/or less noise. I would assume more dead pixels than a shallow, but it's only a guess. I'm fresh out of film school and would like to understand more of what I'm reading.

Vladimir
Red #87

[evinsky]

There seems to be a few random hot pixels (Red & Blue) in the black part of the image. I'm assuming these will be mapped out?

[Jannard]

We have not put in dead pixel correction yet (that happens next week). We could have removed them in Photoshop, but we didn't want to do anything that wasn't real. Don't worry about dead pixels. It is just a result of showing images right out of the can. That part is easy.

Jim

[MalcolmOng]

I...I...I feel like crying now..

[craigbowman]

Now things are starting to get fun!

[AshG]

Image is fabulous but there actually are a BUNCH of stuck pixels. Obviously, this will be fixed but some say this is the hardest part about making such a sensor, producing it flawlessly. The haters say that something like 80%+ of the high end sensors dont come off the line good enough to go into retail units. Getting pretty ahead of ourselves though... for now, the image looks terrific.



ash =o)

[acehole111]

Yikes! I just saw this now.

Theres a big big grin on my face right now that i cant get rid of! Exciting stuff. :D

[Eric MacIver]

Amazing.... And yes, I'm interested in seeing a 4k image as well, of course.

[CVB]

wow. Now I'm gonna have to go get me a new monitor. Jim... Amazing job.

[acehole111]

When you load up the Red website theres a sound.. Does anyone else hear it?

If you Listen carefully when you click on the gallery page.. Its like wierd sloshing farty sound...

..That's the sound of Sony shitting their pants.

[Brook Willard]

You made my day. I'm looking forward to the 4K image tomorrow.

Thanks Jim. This really is amazing.

[Akube]

now where can i find results on angie 25-250 HP lenses.. i want to see how much light do i get with that lens.

where could i get a pl to fd nikon mount.. or are there other really good cheap lenses.. we should start a thread dedicated to cheap indi-lenses

[Hans Nystroem]

Amazing...!
There´s no smear and I can se every strand of hair in her eyelash. At 800% close-up the black in the eyelash is PERFECT and separated beautifully from the skin tones in her face!

There is a small banding problem in the smoke (due to the downsize?), but that is the only telling this is "video". Otherwise, beautiful!

And this for 17.500...
Jim, prepare to rub shoulders with the Lumiere brothers in the history books! :)

Regards
Hans

[Fred Lumiere]

:) :) :) :)

[filmmaker1977]

we should start a thread dedicated to cheap indi-lenses4 threads:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=63803&highlight=lenses
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=58282&highlight=lenses
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=64660&highlight=lenses
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=67536&highlight=lenses

[Hans Nystroem]

:) :) :) :)


...WOW! Is this true!? :)

Regards
Hans

[Rob Lohman]

A bubblegum collapsing, not smoke.

[Hans Nystroem]

...and I say it´s cigar smoke.
But I can´t tell if it´s a Cuban or Dominican. ;)

...it makes me wanting a Monte Cristo No.2 now...

[filmmaker1977]

1st part


There is a small banding problem in the smoke (due to the downsize?)?


but that is the only telling this is "video"?


Otherwise, beautiful!

And this for 17.500...try more than that.. and you will find where the affordability, revolution and customers will go..

and will we have another expensive camera only for a minority? NO THANKS!

2nd part


We have not put in dead pixel correction yet (that happens next week). We could have removed them in Photoshop, but we didn't want to do anything that wasn't real. Don't worry about dead pixels. It is just a result of showing images right out of the can. That part is easy.

Jimsorry my ignorance but why wouldn't we be concerned about dead pixels?.. me and my partners we have 4 reservations rolling.. can we know how it will easy to handle with this kind of hassles if it is the case?

thx

[Jarred Land]

There is a small banding problem in the smoke (due to the downsize?), but that is the only telling this is "video". Otherwise, beautiful!

yes thats part of the 8 bit space.. gradients start to get blocky.

I admire Jim for putting up a naked frame.. without any pixel correction (which every camera has), no coring (which every camera has), no sharpening (which every camera has) and no color correction...

As for the blue noise in the blacks.. The Red team said somewhere that they fixed that recently with sensor tweaks, remember, this footage is footage they shot over a month ago, the sensor has been improved multiple times. Since then.

Tonal quality of the girls skin is incredible.

[Jarred Land]

sorry my ignorance but why wouldn't we to worry about dead pixels?.. me and my partners we have 4 reservations rolling.. can we know how it will easy to handle if it is the case?

thx

Filmmaker dont worry you wont see those when the camera rolls out, every camera has dead pixels, they use a method called pixel mapping to get rid of them by using surrounding pixel information so they all get cleaned out.. Jim's description of fixing them in photoshop was something you dont need to do on the production camera.

[filmmaker1977]

yeah he's a honest man we know.

and i also know every camera has dead pixels but just because i'm an ignorant about these tech issues i'd like to know how to handle with it..

my next feature will be shot with this camcorder!
and i wouldn't like to be a beta tester..


Filmmaker dont worry you wont see those when the camera rolls out, every camera has dead pixels, they use a method called pixel mapping to get rid of them by using surrounding pixel information so they all get cleaned out.. Jim's description of fixing them in photoshop was something you dont need to do on the production camera.it's cool to have your words.

thx

[acrochordon]

I was starting to look around at other cameras because the price of the Red is a bit much (compared to prosumer stuff.) But the chip in the HVX is only 960 x 540 pixels. Dang, the Red blows that away. (I was looking at frame grabs from the HVX on the web last night.) Time to save my pennies for a Red. Jim said Red doesn't use any pixel shifting or any other trickery. I love those beautiful pixels, even the dead ones.

[Hans Nystroem]

Jarred.
I agree, the tonal of the skin is amazing! :)
About the banding, I wasn´t complaining, I just pointed out that without it, I, and I answer only for myself here, wouldnt be able to tell it was shot with a video camera.
(thinking of that it is 8-bpc I am amazed that is looks this good! :) )

Video tend look harsh and noisy in that kind of low light. Skin tones tend to look artificial. Does that answer your "?", filmmaker1977?

And for the 17.500...they are practically giving this camera away for that kind of money! What do you complain about?
I don´t get it. Sorry.

[filmmaker1977]

the tonal of the skin is the BEST that i could find from a digital source!


And for the 17.500...they are practically giving this camera away for that kind of money! What do you complain about?
I don´t get it. Sorry.be quiet man!

who are you?

another filmmaker or an industry's secret agent? :angry:

we are here pushing for a real indy cam.. this saint gives us what our dreams are coming from.. and what are you doing?! :huh:

[Jarred Land]

Hans I think your being sucked into Filmmaker talking in his gooooglyspeak that nobody understands, I dont think he is complaining, im not sure what he means but I dont think hes complaining. I could be wrong though.

achrochordon.. your statement "I love those beautiful pixels, even the dead ones." is priceless.. love it. :)

[filmmaker1977]

Hans I think your being sucked into Filmmaker talking in his gooooglyspeak that nobody understandseheheh.. :cheesy:


I dont think he is complaining, im not sure what he means but I dont think hes complaining. I could be wrong though.you're right!

[filmmaker1977]

now where's your quote hans?!

[Hans Nystroem]

Hans I think your being sucked into Filmmaker talking in his gooooglyspeak that nobody understands, I dont think he is complaining, im not sure what he means but I dont think hes complaining. I could be wrong though.

achrochordon.. your statement "I love those beautiful pixels, even the dead ones." is priceless.. love it. :)

Yes. Very strange. I don´t get it either. :)
Well, well...

[Jarred Land]

play nice kids and keep this on topic.

[filmmaker1977]

i just want to clear up my play:

first, how is it possible to take the things as unfriendly? :) be cool man!

second, the key and one of the secrets of the red success can be and it is "the economies of scale":
jim needs to sell it as affordable as possible.. why do we think he's here at dvxuser?

as i tried to say, even for $17,500 only a minority can afford a camera for this price..

for example, i and my partners we have 4 reservations.. how could it be possible if the price would be higher?

offering this price range, red can be real and not just a dream..

as mass product for the general filmmaking this camcorder can be a reality for a large quantity of shooters.. if not, with other price, it would just be for a few..

so, is it clear now?

i shouldn't need to post this but i will:
there aren't any complaints about the price.. but if there is who can buy it, whatever is its price, there is who cannot.. okay?

peace for once even if i never was in war.. at least, against you my dear hans.. i even like your posts but not that price point undervaluation..

[acehole111]

as i tried to say, even for $17,500 only a minority can afford a camera for this price..
And a miniscule minority of that minority can afford to shoot 35mm. Your point is a bit moot. :)

But I do get what your saying. Your saying that whatever the price is, there will be those who will not be able to afford it. Its just that its a pretty academic point.

[filmmaker1977]

Your saying that whatever the price is, there will be those who will not be able to afford it.not exactly.. but in general i'd like you'll get the point, it's pure common sense.. let's see:

i think red is between two worlds:

affordable filmmaking and a high-end digital camera that this camcorder is.

because of its higher quality, there will always be the temptation to go ahead with this latter market segment..

and this can be dangerous especially to those who will not be able to afford it but maybe they can get it if its price is a low standard.

for a 17,500$ price range there will be more people to buy it rather a higher offer than that.. that's a La (http://www.answers.com/topic/tautology) Palisse's (http://www.answers.com/topic/jacques-de-la-palice) true (http://www.answers.com/topic/truism) but we shouldn't forget.. because we need this mass delivery for the red's success.. if not, red couldn't be what has been: a true revolution as far as it's possible to get also because its price range!

and it's necessary to be there!.. among the "poor" ones like this young people here at dvxuser.. not as another tool for the richest cinematographers ("they" cannot be the red vampires.. :D we need this cam for us!.. as affordable as possible..)

jim said: $17,500 and we must be grateful and not leaving other message like "you can ask what you want and we'll buy it anyway".. it isn't true!

in that case (above $17,500), most of us wouldn't handle the price and the only option would be the 1/3" (choice?) or the 1/2" offer if available.. my example: maybe i couldn't buy not even 1 red one unit (and by now, me and my associates we are with 4 reservations) and red wouldn't be what it is: a true revolution because it is for $17,500!

[Kjetil Haugen]

Just had to jump aboard here and express my admiration! I just now saw the gallery. There's been a lot of people saying that their footage shot in HD looks as good as film, and most of the times they've been wrong! I'm so happy to finally see something that's not a disappointment.

Jim sure knows what film looks like. Not just the detail and resolution, but the softness of film is all there! Just a joy to watch! It's so great to be exited about HD again. At the pace things were going in the industry I didn't think I'd see something like this for many years... And to actually be able to own one! Finally, money in the bank.. I'm putting in a reservation right now!

[Craig Ryan]

2k image posted and you get a sale (probably like 100 by now though right?)...In the words of Tom Hanks aka Cpt. John Miller in SPR

"And that's how simple it is."

(had that line stuck in my head a while, had to work it in somewhere)

[digitalnirvana9]

On top of it all, make-up artists around the world are going to love the RED Camera too...and thats a good thing, as Martha always says. (Said in full respect for the lovely models)..Peace, Norman

[Brook Willard]

[reloads gallery page furiously, waiting for 4K image]

[Shaw]

Wow, Jim. This looks fantastic.

[Jarred Land]

4k Still is now up :)

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=72306