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Jarred Land
09-17-2006, 09:03 PM
Hey guys people are starting to ask about what to do when your done.. The entry page will go up the 25th of September. Uploads will be 1 H.264 400line version and 1 Mpeg2 file (for the dvd)

thanks.. and good luck to all.

Max R. Wilson
09-17-2006, 09:12 PM
you mean Sept?

dvpixl
09-17-2006, 10:21 PM
yeah right? unless you're giving us an extension....

MOVIE MASTER
09-17-2006, 10:22 PM
ISNT THE DEADLINE OCT 1 666

Dario Nieva
09-18-2006, 12:25 AM
Uploads will be 1 H.264 400line version and 1 Mpeg2 file (for the dvd)


What do you mean by h.264 400 line? (I'm editing with vegas).

Edgen
09-18-2006, 01:05 AM
h.264 is the compression codec for the quicktime video.

/j

Jack Daniel Stanley
09-18-2006, 07:37 AM
ISNT THE DEADLINE OCT 1 666
Yes. He meant 9/25 for the upload URL.
He'll open the upload URL then and it will be up through 10/1 so everyone isn't trying to upload at once.

Jack Daniel Stanley
09-18-2006, 07:40 AM
What do you mean by h.264 400 line? (I'm editing with vegas).
You have to upload a .mov, AKA quicktime file.
I think there are a number of ways you can do this if you are not on a mac.
Worst case sceneario - pass your wmv off to a user who is on a MAC and have them convert it for you and pass it back to you.

As for 400 line, I'm assuming he means 400X225 16X9 file.

Brandon Rice
09-18-2006, 08:00 AM
Yeah, an mov can easily be created via-quicktime pro.

Jack Daniel Stanley
09-18-2006, 08:05 AM
Hey guys people are starting to ask about what to do when your done.. The entry page will go up the 25th of October. Uploads will be 1 H.264 400line version and 1 Mpeg2 file (for the dvd)

thanks.. and good luck to all.

Jarred -- FILE SIZE limit? Assuming around 40MB? What say you?

dvpixl
09-18-2006, 09:47 AM
so it's 400 line even though you crop for scope assuming that some will have letterbox showing in their movies?

mameragex
09-18-2006, 11:53 AM
Aw Dang! now I know Im' gonna screw this up! In the famous words of Jet Li in KISS OF THE DRAGON: "SOOME BOODY HEEELP MEEEE!!!!!"

Blaine
09-18-2006, 11:56 AM
Jarred -- FILE SIZE limit? Assuming around 40MB?
In my best Oliver Twist voice:

"I want more..."

mameragex
09-18-2006, 12:01 PM
I'm using Vegas as well in combination of others. But Vegas will provide my final edit and I think I can export QT. I've alredy been editing the whole thing wide screen form. (hope I'm doin this right!):huh:

Dario Nieva
09-18-2006, 12:42 PM
Yeah we've been editing in Vegas too. Our first time as well :\

Was able to export to a 24p widescreen mpeg-2 file, just fine. When we rendered to a quicktime file it was skipping frames. Not sure how to convert it into this H.264 400line version.

But for file size.... The DVD version (The mpeg), does it matter how big that is? Also a confirmation the file size for the festival entry would be great but I think from festivals past, it was something like 40mb.

Ralph Oshiro
09-21-2006, 10:28 PM
So, in Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5.1 what are the settings for required QuickTime export? I shot in native 16:9. When exporting directly from within Premiere Pro, exporting, "movie," as file type, "QuickTime," from the Premiere Pro, "Export Movie Settings window," these are the default settings in the file save menu when I choose "QuickTime" under "general."

General:
File Type: QuickTime
Video:
Compressor: H.264
Color Depth: Millions of colors
Frame Size: 720h x 480v 16:9
Frame Rate: 23.976
Pixel Aspect Ratio: D1/DV Widescreen 16:9 (1.2)
Quality: 100% High
Limit Data Rate to: Unchecked
Recompress: Checked: "Maintain Data Rate"

What I'm unclear about is how to specify the "400-line" version. Is that vertical or horizontal? If I change 720 to 400, dividing 720/1.5, I get, 266.666 (since 720/1.5=480). Does "400-line mean to change the vertical lines by changing 480 to 400? Then 400 x 1.5 = 600. What do I put in those two little boxes? If you change one number, the other number doesn't automatically scale for you. You have to change the other dimension manually.

Ralph Oshiro
09-21-2006, 10:32 PM
Wait that math is all wrong.

Ralph Oshiro
09-21-2006, 10:44 PM
If anyone does how to solve for ratios, here's the problem:

16:9 x:400

Solve for x.

Wait, here's the problem, 720 x 480, where the horizontal units (pixels) are 1.2.
So, 720 x 1.2 = 864

So the ratio is 864:480. But that's not right, since 864 x 1.777 = 486

I'm so confused.

Ralph Oshiro
09-21-2006, 10:45 PM
Is should be simple, right? It should be 400 x 1.777, right? But it's not, since you have to calculate the pixel aspect ratio of 1.2 also? HELP!

Ralph Oshiro
09-21-2006, 11:19 PM
As for 400 line, I'm assuming he means 400X225 16X9 file.Duh. I just saw your post, Jack! 225! But which aspect ratio pixels do we compress at, assuming you acquired with a native 16:9 camera using 1.2 widescreen pixels in the first place?

Jarred Land
09-21-2006, 11:26 PM
yes.. 400 is the largest number.. can be smaller if you want to accomodate your aspect ratio.

As for file size.. 50mb is the largest allowed. This should give us some kick ass quality.

Ralph Oshiro
09-21-2006, 11:26 PM
Okay, I did an H.264 QuickTime export at 100% quality (recompress box checked) and the file came out to 103MB for only 02:54 of program. I guess we need to know what the file size limit is.

Ralph Oshiro
09-21-2006, 11:27 PM
Gotcha, Jarred.

Brandon Rice
09-21-2006, 11:28 PM
yes.. 400 is the largest number.. can be smaller if you want to accomodate your aspect ratio.

As for file size.. 50mb is the largest allowed. This should give us some kick ass quality.

OH YEAH! Especially since my movie's only 2:30 long!

Ralph Oshiro
09-21-2006, 11:32 PM
Well, everything worked except the pixel aspect ratio comes out wrong. The QT file plays too skinny. I had marked "1.2" widescreen. Guess I'll try "square pixels?"

Ralph Oshiro
09-21-2006, 11:40 PM
Yup, square pixels did the trick. But at 25% quality, now the QT H.264 out of Premiere file looks pretty bad for some reason. What's the highest quality H,264 compressor to buy? Should I just go with QuickTime Pro?

Barry_Green
09-22-2006, 12:09 AM
OH YEAH! Especially since my movie's only 2:30 long!
Bless you, Brandon. Bless you! I hope many others take notice and make tight running times! With 100+ films expected, shorter is definitely better! :thumbsup:

Jack Daniel Stanley
09-22-2006, 12:10 AM
Cool. Does that mean I can have his 3:30?

(just joking Mr. Green) :evil:

Jack Daniel Stanley
09-22-2006, 12:19 AM
Yup, square pixels did the trick. But at 25% quality, now the QT H.264 out of Premiere file looks pretty bad for some reason. What's the highest quality H,264 compressor to buy? Should I just go with QuickTime Pro?
I wish I could help you more but I'm on a mac.

So I just output using Compressor and choose the aspect ratio. You should be able to get a file that size though with the data through at 640 to 800 megabytes though.

Also anytime you wanna play with aspect ratios, just go like this ...

16X9
400 / 16 = 25
25 X's 9 = 225

2.35:1
400 / 2.35 = 170
170 X 1 = 170
so 400X170 for 2.35:1 which is what I'll do since I crop to cinemascope, and I'll get a little extra bandwidth that way.

Ralph Oshiro
09-22-2006, 12:21 AM
Thanks, Jack!

Jarred Land
09-26-2006, 04:25 AM
just getting the server ready for uploads.. gotta clear alot of space.

Cant wait to see what you guys have.

VersuS
09-26-2006, 04:45 AM
I bet you most of us can't wait to see what WE have...lol ;-)

Michael_Petro
09-26-2006, 06:34 AM
I know what I got I'm just trying to get it to compress .... now trying 250 kbs and 24k audio.. at 400 kbs w/32k audio its 67 megs and its starting to look bad... never being in a fest before I used the whole 6 mins (well 5:57) and that barley seemed like enough time....

Jarred Land
09-26-2006, 07:47 AM
here is a FREE h264 encoder for the mac that works prety good.

http://www.ffmpegx.com/ipodh264hires.html

Jarred Land
09-26-2006, 07:57 AM
and if you guys need to see encoding examples, goto the apple trailers site, most of the stuff is all h.264 and they are getting 400w line movies down to 25mb that look good.

jenningsp
09-26-2006, 08:01 AM
it's the 26th where i am. i want to hand my homework in already, hopefully get some feedback from the pro's before final deadline. when can i upload?

jeans
09-26-2006, 08:06 AM
it's the 26th where i am. i want to hand my homework in already, hopefully get some feedback from the pro's before final deadline. when can i upload?


I'm sure they are getting it ready as quick as they can. We are potentially talking about something like 600 min. of mpeg 2 video.

Brandon Rice
09-26-2006, 08:08 AM
and if you guys need to see encoding examples, goto the apple trailers site, most of the stuff is all h.264 and they are getting 400w line movies down to 25mb that look good.

Good suggestion... I've had good success with QT pro on my stuff.:thumbup:

Larry Rutledge
09-26-2006, 08:37 AM
just getting the server ready for uploads.. gotta clear alot of space.

I too am getting my server ready to run a mirror as I did for HeroFest. Looking forward to seeing the entries :thumbsup:

Cynic821
09-26-2006, 09:45 AM
400 lines of width or 400 lines tall?

Rock Punk!
09-26-2006, 09:55 AM
Will we be able to upload *on* October 1 or do we have to upload *before* October 1. And, is that DVXUser.com time or your local time.

Not that I'm waiting to the very last minute but...

Cynic821
09-26-2006, 10:32 AM
Im waiting for the very last minute...lol.

What is the exact last minute we can begin our upload? 11:59pm on October first? My upload is capped at around 30-40k per second here, so it may take some time to get it uploaded.

Brandon Rice
09-26-2006, 10:50 AM
MPEG2 file needs to be 16:9, right J-man?

Jack Daniel Stanley
09-26-2006, 11:10 AM
MPEG2 file needs to be 16:9, right J-man? dhur like always




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Brandon Rice
09-26-2006, 11:15 AM
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Rubix³
09-26-2006, 12:16 PM
Will we be able to upload *on* October 1 or do we have to upload *before* October 1. And, is that DVXUser.com time or your local time.

Not that I'm waiting to the very last minute but... Yes, I second this. I will be filming until the last minute.

Michael_Petro
09-26-2006, 07:14 PM
50.8 yeah! really close 400kps 24k audio one more sweep... still dont like the colors but you gotta loose something when compressing.