2:35 Aspect Ratio?

[doondoon]

This may have been asked and answered already, I couldn't find the answer.
Will Red be able to record a 2:35 or 2:37 aspect ratio like the Viper?

[filmmaker1977]

or 1 : 2.39 as it seems to be..

2.35 was used until to 70's though the wider format is known or as 2.35 or as 2.40..

i also didn't know but the experts had spoken..

[Brook Willard]

Reportedly it will have customizable frame lines. Set your frame lines where you want them and go for it. Will it letterbox for you? Who knows - worst case scenario just shoot a framing chart.

[sbove]

one note: if you are interested in shooting 2:40 anamorphic, the Red's sensor height (not width) presents a problem. You need full academy app height to capture the complete anamoric squished image.

If you only want to crop down s35 1:77 to yeild 2:40, then you're fine...albiet using a smaller portion of the available image. But it won't look like StarWars, Raiders, Alien, BladeRunner (etc.) or any of the the other epics that were shot in anamorphic widescreen....which has a very particular look.

[Haakon]

Anamorphic isn't an option with Red. Just frame for 2.35 and crop in post. There is more than enough resolution that you aren't disadvantaging yourself by losing some screen real estate. They have also made mention of the fact that the viewfinder will have 2.35 markings available, with the possibility of being able to import an overlay of whatever aspect ratio you personally desire. Things are good.

[Benjamin Rowland]

It would be nice to be able to use anamorphic lenses - they have a distinct look.

[Anders Holck]

To address the original question:
The Viper uses vertical pixel binning to get a true anamorphic 1080p image off the CCD's.
This is not possible with a bayer type sensor, but when shooting scaled 1080p RGB with the RED it should be pretty easy to implement a different scaling to the x and y axis to get an anamorphic 1080p image directly from the HD-SDI on the camera.
When you shoot in 4k RAW it will just be a matter of cropping, and you then have the added benefit to be able to adjust the framing vertically in post.

[jeradsloan]

in 35mm, scope is anamorphically squeezed onto a regular 35mm neg...just shoot anamorphic 35mm lenses and have the monitor/software show you correct aspect ratio. or is that too simple a solution?

[acehole111]

Heres a question, Will shooting with an anamorphic lens, using up the entire sensors realestate for data, give you a better picture even though the image is squashed back down anyway? I would assume so considering its using more pixels hence finer pixel density and detail.

[Anders Holck]

The anamorphic camera negative is something like 21.96 x 18.9.
The mysterium sensor is 24.4 x 13.7.
So shooting using the full sensor would probably vignette in the sides and boast a very wide format.
If you would like to retain the 1:2.39 format you would have to crop the sides so you are down to to 16.17x13.7.

[filmmaker1977]

hey anders.. great help..

for once, it's 1:2.39 not 2.35.. sorry my followers :D :grin: but it is..

[Poi Boy]

Ain't it somethin ? We are about to get 4K..unheard off until Red and we are already trying to figure out a way to get more. Great times we live in !
Aloha
-A
PS. just crop to whatever and be happy that Lucas has nothing on you ! well except lots of money and maybe more talent.

[jmalmsten]

ey, what's stopping you from shooting with a anamorphic lens and then unsqueeze it, and crop it to your preffered AR?

or maybe an anamorphic preset (made for the anamorphic lens I mean, not substituting it) that will do that for you, giving you a unsqueezed image in the viewfinder with the necessary guidelines?

that would give you those lovely anamorphic lenseflares that we all love and all that, or am I wrong?:huh:

[acehole111]

ey, what's stopping you from shooting with a anamorphic lens and then unsqueeze it, and crop it to your preffered AR?

or maybe an anamorphic preset (made for the anamorphic lens I mean, not substituting it) that will do that for you, giving you a unsqueezed image in the viewfinder with the necessary guidelines?

that would give you those lovely anamorphic lenseflares that we all love and all that, or am I wrong?:huh:
We all love anamorphic lens flares! Especially the nice blue streaks you get in night shots from flying overhead helicopter search lights!

[Haakon]

that would give you those lovely anamorphic lenseflares that we all love and all that, or am I wrong?:huh:
Actually, I vastly prefer the look of traditional lenses.

[acehole111]

Actually, I vastly prefer the look of traditional lenses.

Normal Lenses make Baby MichealBay cry.

[Kjetil Haugen]

Just do what Fincher did in Panic Room. Shoot normal lenses and then put in anamorphic lens flare in post...

[Jaime Valles]

PS. just crop to whatever and be happy that Lucas has nothing on you ! well except lots of money and maybe more talent.
I'll agree with the "more money" part... :thumbsup:

[RyanBellaCine]

Normal Lenses make Baby MichealBay cry.

LOL!

Although the only movies he actually shot with Anamorphic lenses are Armageddon and The island.


"I wanna be like Mike!"

[Kjetil Haugen]

They have also made mention of the fact that the viewfinder will have 2.35 markings available, with the possibility of being able to import an overlay of whatever aspect ratio you personally desire. Things are good.

Cool. Is this something the Red team has commented on? Or is it just speculations amongst us forum-gentlemen? How does it work exactly. You can just make some kinda alpha layer image in photoshop or something?

[acehole111]

Cool. Is this something the Red team has commented on? Or is it just speculations amongst us forum-gentlemen? How does it work exactly. You can just make some kinda alpha layer image in photoshop or something?

Im sure superimposing a few black strips positioned with buttons isnt hard.

[Haakon]

Cool. Is this something the Red team has commented on? Or is it just speculations amongst us forum-gentlemen? How does it work exactly. You can just make some kinda alpha layer image in photoshop or something?
Yeah, the idea has been thrown around for quite awhile now and though we haven't heard much on the GUI front lately (I'm sure they're nowhere near finishing that part), I think they know that it's something a lot of people want. I actually have plans to shoot some things in a non-standard aspect myself (I can discuss that somewhere else if you're interested), and I would love a camera that lets me pick exactly the display I want. Of course, I'll really be shooting in 16:9 for post sake, but I'd like my overlays to show me where I want to crop the picture.

Jim has promised a pretty revolutionary menu and display system (and I have no doubt that they'll deliver, at all), so I'm pretty confident you'll be covered. Really, a lot of this stuff is just speculation, and with at least three months before they're planning to get those engineering samples out the door, there is still a lot to finish up. So while continually asking "does it have this? does it have that?" may be less than productive at this point, it certainly helps to make reccomendations and let the team know what we're still looking for. They're definitely reading! :)