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Chris Kenny
09-17-2006, 04:32 AM
This issue has come up a lot in various threads here, which makes sense, since it's something a lot of people who have primarily used 1/3" CCD cameras haven't had to deal with much, but will certainly need to understand if they buy a RED.

I think it's worth clarifying a couple of things, because there's widespread confusion and even supposedly reliable sources give what amounts to misleading information.

A wider lens, in general, can not be used to achieve the same primary subject size (same field of view in the plane of the subject) as a longer lens, but with deeper DOF. If you toss on a wider lens and then move the camera up so your field of view is the same as it was before, you end up with basically the same DOF you had before.

To toss some actual numbers in here from a DOF calculator... if I'm at f/5.6 with s35, focused 5' away with a 38mm lens, I've got an field of view (FOV) about 34 deg wide, and 1'6" of DOF. Now, if I switch to a 100mm lens, but keep the FOV the same (which requires that I move back to 13'2"), when I check my DOF, surprise, it's still 1'6". It doesn't get any shallower just because I'm using a longer lens.

This might lead people to believe lens length doesn't matter, and that DOF is determined entirely by your FOV relative to your format size, but be careful, because it's actually a little more complex than that. Lenses of different lengths have different hyperfocal distances, and if you're comparing a bunch of lenses, there really will be DOF differences as you approach the hyperfocal distence of one or another of them.

To return to the numbers above, say a 38mm lens has a hyperfocal distance of 33'5" (your numbers may differ if you assume a differently sized circle of confusion). A 100mm lens has a hyperfocal distance of 231'. Now, as we saw above, with close focus (5' for the 38mm), DOF at a given FOV was the same for both of these lenses. But what happens if we focus at, say, 20', which is almost 2/3 of the way to the 38mm's hyperfocal distance, but not even 1/10 of the way to the 100mm's?

With the 38mm, we get 37'1" of DOF. With the 100mm (now we have to back off to 52'8" to keep the same FOV), we only get 25'2").

Also, while wider lenses don't (except as noted above) really give you deeper DOF, they can often create the appearance of such. Wider lenses, as everyone knows, exaggerate perspective. This means that if we set up two shots with the same main subject size, anything in the background will be smaller in the shot with the wider lens. This means the background will have more detail per unit of area, which will typically make it appear to be sharper.

Playing around with a dSLR and a zoom lens is a great way to get a feel for this stuff. Also, if you have a Palm, go download pCAM (http://www.davideubank.com/) right now, it's the best $15 you'll ever spend.

sndrk
09-17-2006, 07:53 AM
I don't get it. As far as I can tell from working with a DSLR and several lenses a wide angle lens DOES give you a deeper DOF. And I am pretty sure that if you compare let's say a 35mm and a 300mm with the same framing and the same aperture, in the 300mm shot the background WILL be considerably more out of focus than in the 35mm shot. How that adds up with numbers I don't know. And what is the difference between real deeper DOF and the appearance of deeper DOF? I'd say that works out the same. If it looks sharp to me then it is sharp.

Chris Kenny
09-17-2006, 10:53 AM
The difference between deeper DOF and this method of achieving the appearance of deeper DOF is the difference between actually having a deeper area in focus, and just having more visual detail per unit of area in the background, which tricks the brain into thinking it's seeing something that's closer to being in focus. If you look at a specific object visible in the background of the shot with the wider lens and the shot with the longer lens, that object will appear sharper in the wider shot because it will appear smaller in the wider shot, not because it actually has more detail in the wider shot.

Here's an example of a case where this matters. Let's say you're taking a shot of an object, and you need the entire object to be in focus. (Not that uncommon when doing, say, product shots.) You're using a long lens, and you don't have the DOF to get everything in focus... the "wider lens = deeper DOF" thing might lead you to believe you can solve this problem by switching to a wider lens and moving closer to get something close to the same composition (with more perspective, of course). This is appealing, because (particularly if you're using a zoom), it's probably a lot easier than adding more light and stopping down.

But it won't work!