New camera and rig pics

[boothba]

Check it out:

http://red.com/photo-tour.htm

[Gibby]

Good catch Boothba...

Gibby
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[Holosynthetic]

VERY nice...so I asked in another thread but went ignored, are the rods made from Carbon Fiber? One of the pictures also suggests that the body will have an option of being made with CF as well, is this true? I also like the gun metal look more than the shiny silver casing displayed at IBC.

[tonacidigital]

sweeet renders

[acehole111]

Love the carbon fibre weave showing through. I guess thats a response to a weight issue.

I also think the added branding is quite good too. When a business such as RED has such brand loyalty, people are proud to show it off as a mark of exclusivity and I think thats what was missing from the previous mockup.

By the way, I'd like to note, that for those who are saying that the camera appears too big in the photos in the other thread, the black coating/CF body will look much smaller simply because they are black. If you held an aluminium CNC'd HVX200 it would visually appear larger too due to the reflected amount of light.

[Mr. Blonde]

Damn you're quick Boothba.

[Brook Willard]

Great additions, it gives a great idea of some of the modularity.

[waits patiently for 4K stills]

[boothba]

That's what my girlfriend says!

Seriously though am I too assume that we have to replace the (Carbon Fiber?) rods if we want to extend or contract the rails? I was imaginging something that could telescope.

[acehole111]

VERY nice...so I asked in another thread but went ignored, are the rods made from Carbon Fiber? One of the pictures also suggests that the body will have an option of being made with CF as well, is this true? I also like the gun metal look more than the shiny silver casing displayed at IBC.

The shiney silver stuff is just a CNC machined alloy for prototyping purposes. I think.

I would like to see a 3D printer produce some of the casing prototypes, You can dye that stuff to any colour. I think even Z-corp has a 24bit full colour 3d printer.

[acrochordon]

http://red.com/images/photo/12_b.jpg

Take a look at the link above. The guy that does the renderings makes the camera look cool. But he should do renderings of configurations people are actually going to use. In the configuration at the link above, my pet monkey that sits on my shoulder would have a really good view of the screen. Too bad I can't see the screen too, with that configuration. Of course my monkey probably can film better than I can so maybe red should leave the renderings alone. The rendering guy does a good job, but I think he needs some guidance. Also I would like to see a rendering with a mic and a light attached. And as others have said, include the storage device and the batteries, even if they are just generic black boxes. I don't think they have designed batteries yet, so if they are included in a rendering I don't expect much of a rendering, but I want to know a basic size and placement.

[Mr. Blonde]

Now, as much as I love the look of carbon fiber, how durable is it for use on a camera that will be in the sun/rain/snow/sand quite often?

http://red.com/images/photo/19_b.jpg

I say keep it all alloy.

[acehole111]

http://red.com/images/photo/12_b.jpg

Take a look at the link above. The guy that does the renderings makes the camera look cool. But he should do renderings of configurations people are actually going to use. In the configuration at the link above, my pet monkey that sits on my shoulder would have a really good view of the screen. Too bad I can't see the screen too, with that configuration. Of course my monkey probably can film better than I can so maybe red should leave the renderings alone. The rendering guy does a good job, but I think he needs some guidance. Also I would like to see a rendering with a mic and a light attached. And as others have said, include the storage device and the batteries, even if they are just generic black boxes. I don't think they have designed batteries yet, so if they are included in a rendering I don't expect much of a rendering, but I want to know a basic size and placement.

I think these are more of illustrative shots, not contextual ones.. Youll start seeing contextual shots when you see models (human models) using the camera.

And I think Jim does the renderings himself.

[acehole111]

Now, as much as I love the look of carbon fiber, how durable is it for use on a camera that will be in the sun/rain/snow/sand quite often?

http://red.com/images/photo/19_b.jpg

I say keep it all alloy.
I think CF would be a good option for documentary film makers who need to trek out in the sahara or amazon. When your in areas that remote, you start drilling holes in your toothbrush :D

Plus, Carbon fibre probably has the same tensile strength as alloy (i know its definately stronger than magnesium alloy.. Ive cracked so many magneisum alloy rims!) and I would dare say its more shock resistant for the electronics.

[Anders Holck]

I believe the body will be made from Magnesium alloy which you usually cast in a mold.
CNC'ing every single body from a brick of aluminum would be very expensive

[acehole111]

I believe the body will be made from Magnesium alloy which you usually cast in a mold.
CNC'ing every single body from a brick of aluminum would be very expensive

lol. CNC'ing and finishing would cost more than the RRP price of the camera.

[Mr. Blonde]

I think CF would be a good option for documentary film makers who need to trek out in the sahara or amazon. When your in areas that remote, you start drilling holes in your toothbrush :D

Plus, Carbon fibre probably has the same tensile strength as alloy (i know its definately stronger than magnesium alloy.. Ive cracked so many magneisum alloy rims!) and I would dare say its more shock resistant for the electronics.
Well, it looks damn sexy in CF, I'm no expert on CF and the only knowledge I have of it is in car parts.

Sadly, every carbon fiber car part I've owned hasn't faired well in California weather.

[Anders Holck]

Carbon fiber doesn't have the heat transfer properties of metals, and I tend to believe that processing 4K will produce a lot of heat...
Maybe Jim just switched the texture to get us talking :-)

[CVB]

Generally plastics and carbon fiber transfer heat very poorly. My money's on the magnesium -epecially with the amount of heat this things probably putting out. Can't wait to hear what the battery life is gonna be.

[acehole111]

Well, it looks damn sexy in CF, I'm no expert on CF and the only knowledge I have of it is in car parts.

Sadly, every carbon fiber car part I've owned hasn't faired well in California weather.

Carbon fibre does wear and go flat in hot and high-use situations, but thats more to do with the clearcoat coating it than the CF itself. If a good quality clearcoat is used, maybe even multicoated then CF usually fares well.

[Mr. Blonde]

How much weight would a CF shell take off from the alloy version of RED?

[acehole111]

Generally plastics and carbon fiber transfer heat very poorly. My money's on the magnesium -epecially with the amount of heat this things probably putting out. Can't wait to hear what the battery life is gonna be.
I think it will be magnesium. The way the top of the camera is designed, seems like it was trying to attain maximum surface area through the ridges, sort of like a heatsink or radiator. Which is clever if the body will be metal.

Edit: A closer look at the top of the camera, and it seems that the real length of the top is DOUBLE when you count the surface area of the ridges. You instantly Double the heat dissipation area. So this would definately make best sense in an alloy construction.

The flipside to the ridges is that your doubling the surface area needed for the CF fabric. So double the cost. The cf version may be more cost efficient with a flat cylindrical top.

[Mr. Blonde]

lol I bet Jim loves this think tank process everytime he spits out new renders, he must enjoy watching us ponder what's going on in his mind.

It just hit me how genius allowing the public to give feedback on the camera body instantly is.

[Mr. Blonde]

This is the perfect setup, ready and waiting for my O'Connor 1030B.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/988/18b2copynr3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Jaime Valles]

The configuration I'd probably want is this one:

http://red.com/images/photo/10_b.jpg

Just the viewfinder and the shoulder mount. Hook it up to a 40" HDTV for the crew to look at, and we're set.

[sndrk]

I don't get it. Now there are like five different cameras in the pictures. And what's with the strange latch with oversized bolts on the side on some of them? As far as i am concerned this only adds to confusion. Yes, I understand now the design for the camera is nowhere finalized and everything can change but what is the use of showing that?

[donatello]

"Yes, I understand now the design for the camera is nowhere finalized and everything can change but what is the use of showing that?"

we get to see the design process = therefore it will all change ...
i would guess that what we see NOW will be a little different next week .

think of it as a project you are editing ... you show us a weekly edit -
we see the changes - we give suggestions, you listen - some suggestions you apply others you don't ...
OR you could just show us the final edit ...

i think most here like seeing the process ...

[deadmike]

I'm not familiar with PL mounts, but in this picture it looks like some sort of electronic connection point at the top of the mount: http://red.com/images/photo/19_b.jpg
Any ideas?

[acehole111]

I'm not familiar with PL mounts, but in this picture it looks like some sort of electronic connection point at the top of the mount: http://red.com/images/photo/19_b.jpg
Any ideas?

This looks like the lens data connector. Most SLR's have them.

[sndrk]

Sure it is a good thing to have a discussion about the final shape of the camera and the attachments but without any info regaring the buttons and screens and so on these images seem more like style studies then anything else.

And while we're at it: can we please keep at least the camera itself a bit more basic and straightforward instead if styling it like a weapon from DOOM? I feel like I have to gun down a guard when I open the latch.

And where is the control for the shutterspeed? Are all controls on the back? I hope not. And how do you change a lense mount? I hope you don't have to unscrew all those allen bolts at the front, not really practical in the middle of a shoot.

Anyway, I appreciate Red is giving us an idea in what direction they are thinking but a bit more practical info might be good.

Sander Kamp

[visceralpsyche]

I'm not sure you'd be changing the mount itself during a shoot. You'd have chosen your lenses already and based them all on one type of format for image acquisition.

I imagine shutter speed would be selected through the onboard menu system (though of course it is an artificial shutter speed).

[ZaneIsNumber1]

I want to see a render with a lens (say, the 300mm) attached.

Please.

[ZaneIsNumber1]

New concern:

The red rail looks expensive and also kind of vital to the camera.

Is there any sort of pricing target for it yet?

I'll understand if there isn't :)

[Mr. Blonde]

And how do you change a lense mount? I hope you don't have to unscrew all those allen bolts at the front, not really practical in the middle of a shoot.
Sander Kamp
Change a lens mount in the middle of a shoot?!?

Why would you ever need to do such a thing?

[SF Geek]

If the viewfinder attaches to the camera and I have the rail system, why would I need the cage other than for grip mounting? Also, couldnt the cage be tighter to the body so as a mount, it could fit into tighter places? I see all the holes in the cage and body, the mounting points. I was wondering what was going in the holes, screws? If so, are they going to be loose. I know that as an AC I don't want to have to keep track of a bunch of loose screws. Sorry to be so negative, everything else is great. I just wanted to say something before it's too late.

[Jarred Land]

New concern:

The red rail looks expensive and also kind of vital to the camera.

Is there any sort of pricing target for it yet?

I'll understand if there isn't :)

No pricing yet. But its not Vital.. You should be able to mount the drive and battery to the top and bottom of the camera, or use the internal flash drive.

Its been a very long time since ive used a camera without rods though so Im used to the advantages, like having a mattbox and follow focus etc.

Remember.. the rail system can be very compact as well... your looking at it loaded up one way or another.