canopus parallels to vegas' history but better outcome

[Jason Ramsey]

I first discovered vegas when it was vegas video 3.0. it came bundled with sound forge at the radio station i worked at. Why a radio station needs video editing software i have no idea... I was running win 98 at the time and no firewire or cam, so I screwed around with "slide show" type stuff. Anyways, then you had vegas 4 and people started to take notice. As did sony, who of course bought it. Canopus has been recently purchased and version 4 comes out, and more people are starting to take notice. I have no experience with Edius, but I understand broadcast 4 is quite a step up from 3. It is what made vegas so great as has been said here many times. Whatever you want to put on the timeline, just do it. Drop it like it's hot. No render. No conversion, no wait, no worries. For all I knew that is how all editing software operated. then came vegas 5 and 6. wow. Everyone has at least heard of Vegas now, and I was reading how people were starting to make the switch from the popular nle's. Many also put it on a par with the others. + here, - here. Problem. Sony now seems to be taking Vegas away from what originally made it so great. Edius, however, is doing the real-time, edit anything, deal. What is in store in version 5 and version 6 for Edius? I hope to god the outcome is not like Vegas seems to be destined for with Sony. I predict Edius will become the new Vegas (not in syle or layout) but in progression as an NLE, but may ultimately be more robust, in many ways (save audio), or definitely experience greater market penetration in the "professional" world. For example, broadcast stations. Anyways, that's my 100 Rupia. Any thoughts?
Jason

[dippytwitty]

Hey Jason-

I'm coming from a totally different ange (never used anything before this year) but I can definitely tell you that some of Vegas' appeal is it's value- pricewise compared to Edius it throws a lot of extras in. My experience was that Vegas couldn't perform like Edius, which is simply a testament to how much attention Canopus (Grass Valley?) paid to writing efficient code for the low-level codec and processing parts.

But for Edius to become 'the next Vegas' they'll have to look at all the extras that create mass appeal. My personal wish-list would be more audio tools, more plugins (work with 3rd parties more?) DVD authoring bundled in, and a few misc things like keyframable pan/zoom. They have a separate product for that last one, but it's getting a little obvious that most other NLE's put it as just another of the included filters.

Anyway, just my $0.02, hoping Boris FX will be an option to fill in some of the gaps, but we'll have to see how tempting Vegas 7 turns out as well!

Dip

[Jason Ramsey]

I agree completely. But edius 4 being the basis of what they build on, maybe they will get there. Hopefuly they will start to include more of those "basics" in the box, so people don't have to get a ton of plugins. speaking of that. I can't use pan and zoom? that would suck. I used that a lot in vegas.
On a side note i downloaded a trial last night for boris red 4gl, and noticed that it has support for vegas 7 already. I have never used any of the boris products, but i probably will need to if i go with edius.
Thanks.
Jason

[dippytwitty]

Yeah, red looks pretty good, might try out the demo I guess, although I don't know if I'd need all that, maybe I'll get just FX, once I make the Vegas/Edius choice...

I should clarify Edius does let you "frame" any clip with zoom/pan but only one setting for the whole clip, it's not keyframeable. But FX would give you that, when/if they officially support Edius v4.

Wait and see, guaranteed we'll see changes, you might just be right on where Canopus can go...

Dip