film vs effects

[Future user]

So I am cruising through the threads and I am seeing some nice looking stills, hearing some interesting ideas, learning how people have overcome certain technical challenges to effects, and so on. Then I see some 3D modeling. This put a thought in my head. If people enter a film shot on something other than a DVX or an HVX, they aren't eligible to win the contest. So how much CG is going to be permitted before the film would be disqualified? Is this a contest to see who can produce the best film, or who can do the best CG rendering? Just a question, not trying to start a fight.

[VersuS]

From what I've seen so far, there's not going to be soooooooo much CG used in a film to worry yourself. Even in the case of Chow Baby...which I believe has a lot of CG, this is due to the nature of the character of the snake...But if you look at the BTS from Vislaw, you ll see that even in his case, being a tremendous CG artist didnt stop him from gathering a crew and working with some neat equipment like the rest of the guys. So it's not always a case of % but also quality, creativity, vision, and necessity. Don't you consider Phantom Menace and the rest a movie due to the extensive CG use?

[cinealma]

I would say that CGI is fine as long as it is within a shot originated on the DVX or HVX camera. If you have pure CGI frames within the film, then that should be considered a different format, like film or other digital, and then the % of film rule should be applied.

Just my ten cents.

John G.

[griffin]

If the CG is on top of some DVX footage, I say it's ok. Like the stills of Chow Baby, he used a DVX, CG'D pipes, snake, etc. If it(the movie, not necessarily Chow Baby) was like Shrek and it had one shot shot w/ a DVX I'd say no. But as long as the CG is over DVX footage, than give it a go.

[Peter Murphy]

how many mounds must you have before you have a mound of mounds? Most likely the most profound statement ever, as well as completely applicable to the conversation at hand.

[Mark Harris]

I think this was an issue in the Herofest and one of the filmakers got Jarred to take the special effects category out of the vote, or something, so that something like Chow Baby didn't slam the competition on effects alone.

That being said, the DVX brings it's own challenges to say green screen work, for example, so I don't see why using special effects in that scenario wouldn't count. You are pushing the camera still.

Personally, I am not a fan of too many digital effects, and we made the decision on ours to do all special effects on set, during the shoot, rather than in post. But then again, we didn't have a snake to wrangle :)

"I am tired of these mother-fucking snakes in this mother-fucking DVXFest!" :)

[mameragex]

Yeah, As long as the CG footage is used in conjunction with the DVX footage. i don't see it as a problem. Besides, These contest are supposed to help you up your game, motivate you to push your limits and show your full potential as a movie maker. You never know......A non-CG movie can still kill a CG movie (I did't see much of any CG in "the sixth sense" except for the credits.......:huh: i think), It just depends on how creative you are.

So get to movin! go get horrifying! then...record it!
:kali: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby:
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[Jack Daniel Stanley]

I think this was an issue in the Herofest and one of the filmakers got Jarred to take the special effects category out of the vote, or something, so that something like Chow Baby didn't slam the competition on effects alone.

That being said, the DVX brings it's own challenges to say green screen work, for example, so I don't see why using special effects in that scenario wouldn't count. You are pushing the camera still.

Personally, I am not a fan of too many digital effects, and we made the decision on ours to do all special effects on set, during the shoot, rather than in post. But then again, we didn't have a snake to wrangle :)

"I am tired of these mother-poo pooing snakes in this mother-poo pooing DVXFest!" :)

The VFX vote is supposed to work like this
Leaving the category blank (no score) doesn't count against the average of a film.
So if there are 11 categories then a film with VFX's overall score is averaged from all 11 categories. Films without VFX would only average the other 10. That way leaving the category blank in a film with NO VFX doesn't give it a zero in an average of 10 nor does it rewquire you to score it poorly in the VFX category for having none.