Director's whose Schtick you're tired of

[J.R. Hudson]

I'm not talking about the hype or popularity of a director. I am talking specifically of the way in which they do it. It could be thematic, it could be visually, anything ...

For me, it is Tim Burton

The man has made the same type of film (it seems) over and over and over. In side the mans head is this bizarre world of worms and claymation characters and big top circus tents.


Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - Have not seen it, do not want to see it, looks like more crap

Big Fish - A cute film but more of the same

Planet of the Apes - Crap

Sleepy Hollow - Finally a legitimate film from Burton minus the comic book
fantasy land. I wish he would would do more serious Horror

Mars Attacks! - Crap and more comic book crap at that. I don't want to see a comic book come to life. Sin City is an exception based purely on technique (Green screen)

Ed Wood - His best film ever made. Filmed as if were in 1959, Beautifully done.

Batman Returns - Crap

Edward Scissorhands - Nice film, but more of the same with outrageous set designs, bizarre characters, and that damn Elfman music.

Batman - Burton defines what was wrong with the Franchise from Day 1. After that, we have to sit through 3 more absurd comic book land films. Thank god Nolan comes around and makes it legitimate.

Beetle Juice - Original, fun, dark. And unfortunately the beginning of the same thing over and over and over.

Pee-wee's Big Adventure - A cute, fun (Kid's film?) that shows us the beginning of Burton's childbrain


Can the guy make a normal effin Movie without the gimmicky fantasy land he seems to be trapped in ?

I'm tired of this guys Schtick.

[Psynema]

Spielberg - sappy sellouts, one after the other.

Ditto for Ron Howard.

Ditto for James Cameron.

Very Sadly, Joel and Ethan Coen Post The Big Lebowski - ever since it's been one convuluted story after the other filled with the same annoying character actors all their films have.

M. Night Shyamalan

[Hairy Lime]

Burton's work may not be particularly varied, but I haven't grown tired of it. When he and Depp work together, it's pure magic. EDWARD SCISSORHANDS, ED WOOD, SLEEPY HOLLOW, CORPSE BRIDE, and CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY. Not a bad body of work for a director-actor combo. When he's not working with Depp I'm less impressed, though i did like BIG FISH.

Agree with M. Night. There's a twist. We get it already. C'mon. Move on.

And let me throw in Michael Bay. Being repetitive in the themes you explore is one thing. Being repetitively bad is even worse.

[Blaine]

Spielberg - sappy sellouts, one after the other.
Perhaps you could expound. John laid out clear reasoning with specific examples. I hardly think Munich, Minority Report, Saving Private Ryan nor Schindler's List could be called sappy sellouts.


Ditto for James Cameron.Again, a blanket statement without specifics to back it up. I think what he's done up to and including Titanic were very good. I've gotten a little tired of his preoccupation with underwater exploration and anxiously await his return to form.


Very Sadly, Joel and Ethan Coen Post The Big Lebowski - ever since it's been one convuluted story after the other filled with the same annoying character actors all their films have. I'll agree.


M. Night ShyamalanSome like him, some don't. You obviously don't.

[The Machinist]

Ditto for James Cameron.

Do you mean all the underwater documentaries?

Cause he hasn't made a film since '97. ( But he has done more for the Titanic International PReservation Society than any man alive. P.S. my friend asked me to add that because he took umbrage to your statement. And he's a Titanic fanatic. (the actual boat not the movie))


Perhaps you could expound. John laid out clear reasoning with specific examples. I hardly think Munich, Minority Report, Saving Private Ryan nor Schindler's List could be called sappy sellouts.

You beat me to the punch Blaine!


Agree with M. Night. There's a twist. We get it already. C'mon. Move on.

And let me throw in Michael Bay. Being repetitive in the themes you explore is one thing. Being repetitively bad is even worse.

I'm totally with you on this.

[J.R. Hudson]

Spielberg and Sappy Sell-outs ?

Huh ?

SAPPY

Jaws
Raiders of the Lost Ark
The Color Purple
Empire of the Sun
Jurassic Park
Schindler's List
Amistad
Private Ryan
Minority Report
War fo the Worlds (The ending may have been convenient but the invasion is nothing short of scary intense)
Munich

[Aaron Marshall]

I'm not talking about the hype or popularity of a director. I am talking specifically of the way in which they do it. It could be thematic, it could be visually, anything ...

For me, it is Tim Burton

The man has made the same type of film (it seems) over and over and over. In side the mans head is this bizarre world of worms and claymation characters and big top circus tents.


Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - Have not seen it, do not want to see it, looks like more crap

Big Fish - A cute film but more of the same

Planet of the Apes - Crap

Sleepy Hollow - Finally a legitimate film from Burton minus the comic book
fantasy land. I wish he would would do more serious Horror

Mars Attacks! - Crap and more comic book crap at that. I don't want to see a comic book come to life. Sin City is an exception based purely on technique (Green screen)

Ed Wood - His best film ever made. Filmed as if were in 1959, Beautifully done.

Batman Returns - Crap

Edward Scissorhands - Nice film, but more of the same with outrageous set designs, bizarre characters, and that damn Elfman music.

Batman - Burton defines what was wrong with the Franchise from Day 1. After that, we have to sit through 3 more absurd comic book land films. Thank god Nolan comes around and makes it legitimate.

Beetle Juice - Original, fun, dark. And unfortunately the beginning of the same thing over and over and over.

Pee-wee's Big Adventure - A cute, fun (Kid's film?) that shows us the beginning of Burton's childbrain


Can the guy make a normal effin Movie without the gimmicky fantasy land he seems to be trapped in ?

I'm tired of this guys Schtick.

I liked Burton's Batman 100000 times better than Nolan's film, and Zimmer's crappy score. Elfman's score for Batman is one of my favorites.

Batman Returns - I don't like this one as much as the original, but it still kicks the hell out of "Batman Begins" in my opinion.

Edward Scissorhands - Damn! You didn't like this film?!!! I adore it. I think it's one of Burton's best, if not THE best by him.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - I watched this on a jet coming back from aussie. I wasn't expecting much. I liked it. It wasn't as good as the original, but in other ways it had its own unique voice.

Sleepy Hollow - Greatness

Ed Wood - Great in some odd way.

Planet of the Apes - Crap

Big Fish - I dig it, though not his best

Pee Wee - This is probably mostly from Paul Reuben and Phil Hartman's head than anything else. It's fun.

Beetle Juice - not the best, but I still like the vibe

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I'm sick and tired of M. Night Shyamalama-ding-dong

His movies are well made but the layer of hype I get sick of hearing is how "deep" the guy is. His entire family consists of doctors...yeah he had it really rough. I just see him as some spoiled rich kid that's now even richer because people are buying his pseudo "deep" BS.

I loved the Sixth Sense. I was very excited about M. Night showing up on the scene after that film. I was very stoked to go see "Unbreakable". I even argued why it didn't suck after the film was over with my friends. Then I realized after "Signs" I was getting hypnotized into the Shyamalama-ding-dong self indulgent world. I didn't see the Village for quite a while, when I did it pissed me off to no damned end. End, end, end, what's that unfamiliar word? It didn't have an ending.

I refuse to see Lady in the Water. I gather from the reviews many people are tired of this director's shtick. I think he could do a great job it he would start doing other writers work. I'd would probably go see his version of Harry Potter with some level excitement. I think on a technical level he's a good director.

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I don't like anything associated with Jerry Bruckheimer. It makes me physically ill. I hate his corny, one liner films with some equally corny composer hired to do the score. I hate his CSI shows on TV and anything like them. I like to call him Jerry Bruckhymen because he is a pu&#@ - MEOW!!!

[J.R. Hudson]

To be clear; i really enjoyed Edward Scissorhands. It was the more of the same I was hammering on!

--

M Knight

I can totally see why this guy is losing a fanbase. But, I will see Lady for Paul Giamatti (he rules)

--

Bruckheimer (None of these?) G A S P !


Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
National Treasure
King Arthur
Bad Boys II
Veronica Guerin
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
Black Hawk Down
Pearl Harbor
Remember the Titans
Gone in Sixty Seconds
Enemy of the State
Armageddon
Con Air
The Rock
Dangerous Minds
Crimson Tide
Bad Boys
Days of Thunder
Beverly Hills Cop II
Beverly Hills Cop
Flashdance

[Mark Harris]

Burton's work may not be particularly varied, but I haven't grown tired of it. When he and Depp work together, it's pure magic. EDWARD SCISSORHANDS, ED WOOD, SLEEPY HOLLOW, CORPSE BRIDE, and CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY. Not a bad body of work for a director-actor combo. When he's not working with Depp I'm less impressed, though i did like BIG FISH.

Agree with M. Night. There's a twist. We get it already. C'mon. Move on.

And let me throw in Michael Bay. Being repetitive in the themes you explore is one thing. Being repetitively bad is even worse.

I agree that Burton is far from being tired. His movies sometimes fail in my eyes, but mainly because they often reach too far, especially because they are tied to studios. I sometimes wish he would make smaller films (budget-wise), with less studio overhead, and really go off the hook with them.

Michael Bay expores themes???????? News to me :)

[Mark Harris]

To be clear; i really enjoyed Edward Scissorhands. It was the more of the same I was hammering on!

--

M Knight

I can totally see why this guy is losing a fanbase. But, I will see Lady for Paul Giamatti (he rules)

--

Bruckheimer (None of these?) G A S P !


Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
National Treasure
King Arthur
Bad Boys II
Veronica Guerin
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
Black Hawk Down
Pearl Harbor
Remember the Titans
Gone in Sixty Seconds
Enemy of the State
Armageddon
Con Air
The Rock
Dangerous Minds
Crimson Tide
Bad Boys
Days of Thunder
Beverly Hills Cop II
Beverly Hills Cop
Flashdance


This is a joke, right? Besides Veronica Guerin, and Beverly Hills Cop (THE FIRST ONE), these movies are universally junk. And even BHC is a guilty pleasure. I haven't see Remember the Titans, so maybe that one too. But Bad Boys? Armageddon? You hate Mars Attacks, but can actually sit through Armageddon with a straight face?????

[J.R. Hudson]

A joke ? Universally junk ? Do you people actually think before replying ?

Let us explore your outlook on universal junk

1.Flashdance - $90,463,574
A pop phenomenon. Not a very deep film; but denying it's influence and success is, well, denial

2. Beverly Hills Cop II - $153,665,036
Outgrosses the orginal and Murphy skyrockets in stardom. Directed by T Scott. Far from junk

3. Days of Thunder - $82,670,733

4. Bad Boys - $65,647,413
Will Smith becomes a stud

5. Crimson Tide - $91,387,195
Who calls this film junk ? Hackman, Washington .. Come on

6. Dangerous Minds - $84,919,401

7. The Rock - $134,069,511
Widely considered Bay's best film

8. Con Air - $101,117,573

9. Armegeddon - $201,578,182

10. Enemy of the State - $111,549,836

11. Gone in 60 Sixty Seconds - $101,643,008

12. Remember the Titans - $115,648,585

13 Pearl Harbor - $198,539,855

14. Black Hawk Down - $108,638,745
A guilty pleasure ? This is one of the finest combat films ever made (no matter the agenda) Nominated for 4 Oscars (Winning 2 for Editing and Sound)

15. Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl - $305,411,224
Depp gets an Oscar nod and you all this junk ? What the ........................ ?

16. Bad Boy II - $138,540,870

17. King Arthur - $51,877,963
Finally a film on this list that fails to live up to expectations ($$)

18. National Treasure - $173,005,002
What a nice surprise this film was

19. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest - $402,975,626
Have not seen


None of these are fine art or academy award winning material but one cannot deny the popularity and box office sucess of thse films.

These films are not the freak accident of a White Chicks but solid Hollywood Popcorn films.

You are in the minority on this one. And yeah, Armegeddon owns Mars Attacks. You can proclaim them as junk; your opinion of course. But there comes a time when one must look at the facts and ask themselves 'Am I one of the few?'

Universally Junk ? What universe are you living in ?

* Films in Green I would vouch for
* Films in Orange I can live without

[Isaac_Brody]

Kevin Smith is definitely on this list.

George Romero too. :)


I don't mind Tim Burton having a quirky offbeat style. I think his problem comes from the projects he chooses. The Nightmare before Christmas is awesome, and Beetlejuice is classic. But when you get him a piece of shit script like Planet of the Apes, it's just a waste of his talent. There's no one else quite like Tim Burton, and maybe we're faulting him for having a distinct style. Spielberg has a very distinct style and you can tell when you're watching his films. I think that's a good thing.

[Pen Cap Chew]

A joke ? Universally junk ? Do you people actually think before replying ?

Let us explore your outlook on universal junk

1.Flashdance - $90,463,574
A pop phenomenon. Not a very deep film; but denying it's influence and success is, well, denial

2. Beverly Hills Cop II - $153,665,036
Outgrosses the orginal and Murphy skyrockets in stardom. Directed by T Scott. Far from junk

3. Days of Thunder - $82,670,733

4. Bad Boys - $65,647,413
Will Smith becomes a stud

5. Crimson Tide - $91,387,195
Who calls this film junk ? Hackman, Washington .. Come on

6. Dangerous Minds - $84,919,401

7. The Rock - $134,069,511
Widely considered Bay's best film

8. Con Air - $101,117,573

9. Armegeddon - $201,578,182

10. Enemy of the State - $111,549,836

11. Gone in 60 Sixty Seconds - $101,643,008

12. Remember the Titans - $115,648,585

13 Pearl Harbor - $198,539,855

14. Black Hawk Down - $108,638,745
A guilty pleasure ? This is one of the finest combat films ever made (no matter the agenda) Nominated for 4 Oscars (Winning 2 for Editing and Sound)

15. Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl - $305,411,224
Depp gets an Oscar nod and you all this junk ? What the ........................ ?

16. Bad Boy II - $138,540,870

17. King Arthur - $51,877,963
Finally a film on this list that fails to live up to expectations ($$)

18. National Treasure - $173,005,002
What a nice surprise this film was

19. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest - $402,975,626
Have not seen


Universally Junk ? What universe are you living in ?

* Films in Green I would vouch for
* Films in Orange I can live without

Well they are mostly junk movies, have to agree. Box-office success doesn't mean much. Most films that do fantastic financially are usually not worth seeing. Kids and teenagers pump up the bulk of box-office.

[ZFarms Productions]

A joke ? Universally junk ? Do you people actually think before replying ?

Let us explore your outlook on universal junk

1.Flashdance - $90,463,574
A pop phenomenon. Not a very deep film; but denying it's influence and success is, well, denial

2. Beverly Hills Cop II - $153,665,036
Outgrosses the orginal and Murphy skyrockets in stardom. Directed by T Scott. Far from junk

3. Days of Thunder - $82,670,733

4. Bad Boys - $65,647,413
Will Smith becomes a stud

5. Crimson Tide - $91,387,195
Who calls this film junk ? Hackman, Washington .. Come on

6. Dangerous Minds - $84,919,401

7. The Rock - $134,069,511
Widely considered Bay's best film

8. Con Air - $101,117,573

9. Armegeddon - $201,578,182

10. Enemy of the State - $111,549,836

11. Gone in 60 Sixty Seconds - $101,643,008

12. Remember the Titans - $115,648,585

13 Pearl Harbor - $198,539,855

14. Black Hawk Down - $108,638,745
A guilty pleasure ? This is one of the finest combat films ever made (no matter the agenda) Nominated for 4 Oscars (Winning 2 for Editing and Sound)

15. Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl - $305,411,224
Depp gets an Oscar nod and you all this junk ? What the ........................ ?

16. Bad Boy II - $138,540,870

17. King Arthur - $51,877,963
Finally a film on this list that fails to live up to expectations ($$)

18. National Treasure - $173,005,002
What a nice surprise this film was

19. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest - $402,975,626
Have not seen


None of these are fine art or academy award winning material but one cannot deny the popularity and box office sucess of thse films.

These films are not the freak accident of a White Chicks but solid Hollywood Popcorn films.

You are in the minority on this one. And yeah, Armegeddon owns Mars Attacks. You can proclaim them as junk; your opinion of course. But there comes a time when one must look at the facts and ask themselves 'Am I one of the few?'

Universally Junk ? What universe are you living in ?

* Films in Green I would vouch for
* Films in Orange I can live without

I agree John. The only movies I didn't think were that good were King Arthur and Gone In 60 Seconds. King Arthur was OK. Coulda been better IMO. But 60 Seconds was bad IMHO. Enemy of the State, both Pirates, Armageddon, National Treasure, and the rest of the list were good films.

One director I'm tired of... Uwe Boll LMAO. oh and Eli Roth both just suck IMO

[Psynema]

Spielberg and Sappy Sell-outs ?

Huh ?

SAPPY

Jaws
Raiders of the Lost Ark
The Color Purple
Empire of the Sun
Jurassic Park
Schindler's List
Amistad
Private Ryan
Minority Report
War fo the Worlds (The ending may have been convenient but the invasion is nothing short of scary intense)
Munich

What's with the big font? Screaming for attention?

You conveniently left a few titles off that list my friend LOL.

[ece]

I can totally see why this guy is losing a fanbase. But, I will see Lady for Paul Giamatti (he rules)


Giamatti in Sideways? That film sucked more than Lady in the Water. Who cares about the awards it won that can't be argued because you'd have to defend horrible films like American Beauty and Adaptation. Blah!

Directors I don't get. Hand's down it's WOODY ALLEN! Talk about a Schtick. I just don't get it.

The man is strange, strange, strange. I'm tired of him shuffling around in his fuddy duddy clothes and stuttering his lame dialog. Woody Allen is responsible for some of the SUCKIEST films of all time, ALL TIME!

[J.R. Hudson]

Well they are mostly junk movies, have to agree. Box-office success doesn't mean much. Most films that do fantastic financially are usually not worth seeing. Kids and teenagers pump up the bulk of box-office.

These are not White Chick films here Pen Cap

[J.R. Hudson]

What's with the big font? Screaming for attention?

You conveniently left a few titles off that list my friend LOL.

What ?

Screamin for attention ? say what ?

Who are you talking too ?

A few titles ? I've seen your take on film. It aint pretty.

[-D-]

HA! Yes! Go flyerland!!

[ece]

Kevin Smith is definitely on this list.



I agree with you about KEVIN SMITH. I never liked any of his films. Kevin Smith films are the definition of Sappy not Spielberg.

Another Director to avoid at the box office. Now brace yourself because I know a lot of people will disagree but I am tired of his predictable editing and lame dialog films.


Quentin Tarantino!

Reservoir Dogs: Sucked Royally!
Pulp Fiction: Highly Overrated!
Kill Bill: Alright but certainly not as great as people pretend.
Jackie Brown: Blah!

Yeah, I said it!

I'm tired of Tarantino and his overrated crap films. Okay we get it, Tarantino films have funky editing. I don't know which part of Sin City he directed and I don't care. I fell asleep in that movie because the story was crapola.

He is as predictable as M. Knight. Yes, predictable crap. At least M. Knight made a couple of good films before it all went to crap. Tarantino started with crap.

Tarantino is the epitome of THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES. No one wants to say its crap, just like they pretend Woody Allen garbage is worthwhile.

End of statement! I know I'm going to get blasted because there are a lot of Tarantino fans out there. I'm just not one of them. Sorry, but the truth hurts. It's like hearing Regis Philbin sing it's torture, but what makes it so bad is that everybody pretends like it isn't horrible.

Quentin Tarantino :furious3:
( using a lot of profanity doesn't make him a good screenwriter either.)

Kevin Smith :(
( Just Lame! I don't even have to justify this one. It became clear with Jersey Girls that I wasn't alone in my pain.)

Woody Allen :crybaby:
( Ewwwww....Gross! I hate anything to do with him. It can be fun to laugh at him, not with him, but then again its mean to laugh at retards, so...)

[DVXcellence]

I'm not talking about the hype or popularity of a director. I am talking specifically of the way in which they do it. It could be thematic, it could be visually, anything ...

For me, it is Tim Burton

The man has made the same type of film (it seems) over and over and over. In side the mans head is this bizarre world of worms and claymation characters and big top circus tents.


Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - Have not seen it, do not want to see it, looks like more crap

Big Fish - A cute film but more of the same

Planet of the Apes - Crap

Sleepy Hollow - Finally a legitimate film from Burton minus the comic book
fantasy land. I wish he would would do more serious Horror

Mars Attacks! - Crap and more comic book crap at that. I don't want to see a comic book come to life. Sin City is an exception based purely on technique (Green screen)

Ed Wood - His best film ever made. Filmed as if were in 1959, Beautifully done.

Batman Returns - Crap

Edward Scissorhands - Nice film, but more of the same with outrageous set designs, bizarre characters, and that damn Elfman music.

Batman - Burton defines what was wrong with the Franchise from Day 1. After that, we have to sit through 3 more absurd comic book land films. Thank god Nolan comes around and makes it legitimate.

Beetle Juice - Original, fun, dark. And unfortunately the beginning of the same thing over and over and over.

Pee-wee's Big Adventure - A cute, fun (Kid's film?) that shows us the beginning of Burton's childbrain


Can the guy make a normal effin Movie without the gimmicky fantasy land he seems to be trapped in ?

I'm tired of this guys Schtick.


Why would you leave off Nightmare before Christmas - a cult classic often reissued in theatres for Halloween/Xmas? Corpse Bride too?

What other big director has multiple animation credits to his name? Frankly that's kind of the opposite of "schtick". Burton is quite variegated. And how is Edward Scissorhands more of the same - it was almost 15 years ago and one of his earlier works.

Maybe you should take a break and actually watch some of his work again - maybe you haven't seen it in a few years.

Big Fish is quite different from Ed Wood, which is Quite different from Mars Attacks, which is quite different from Ed Scissorhands etc. The only similarities are Johnny Depp and Danny Elfman, but for the films tone/contexts themselves, there's quite a bit of variation. Sure there's similarities of course, but every director will have similarities over time, along with working with the same actors, musicians, DPs, etc etc.

THe only gripe I would have is he sometimes gives in to mainstream Hollywood projects that aren't the greatest in the world - ie batman returns and apes. Frankly considering how ridiculous the scripts were to those films, he did a good job doing them - sure they were flawed, but if you actually watch them again you'd see quite a few times he saved it from being a complete steaming pile - I thought both films were tolerable and any other director would have made them total garbage. They aren't great or even good, but far from crap.

And if you admittedly never seen some of his work, why even list Charlie and the Chocoloate factory? Frankly maybe you left Nightmare and Corpse bride off was because you 've never seen them.

Go watch some movies.

[ece]

What other big director has multiple animation credits to his name?


Actually, Spielberg has a few animations under his belt, but in a different capacity. I think it was as a producer. Some films off the top of my head.


Fievel goes west
Tiny Toons
I think, Animaniacs


and I'm sure more.

[DVXcellence]

Actually, Spielberg has a few animations under his belt, but in a different capacity. I think it was as a producer. Some films off the top of my head.


Fievel goes west
Tiny Toons
I think, Animaniacs


and I'm sure more.

But did he direct and have hands on creation like Burton?

[Cynic821]

Most of you are clearly insane!

[-D-]

HA! Yes! Go flyerland!!


Uh, where did flyerland's post go? Now my post doesn't make sense.

Oh, right. John deleted it.

[DVXcellence]

Uh, where did flyerland's post go? Now my post doesn't make sense.

Oh, right. John deleted it.


Well it kinda made sense. Flyerland's post certain did "go" LOL.

[-D-]

I'm in. And god's speed, before John comes online and deletes everything.

[DVXcellence]

I'm in. And god's speed, before John comes online and deletes everything.

Awesome. I'll pm you.

[Isaac_Brody]

Whoa...what did I miss?

What did Flyerland's post say? :huh:

[donkathon]

I'm not talking about the hype or popularity of a director. I am talking specifically of the way in which they do it. It could be thematic, it could be visually, anything ...

For me, it is Tim Burton

The man has made the same type of film (it seems) over and over and over. In side the mans head is this bizarre world of worms and claymation characters and big top circus tents.


Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - Have not seen it, do not want to see it, looks like more crap

Big Fish - A cute film but more of the same

Planet of the Apes - Crap

Sleepy Hollow - Finally a legitimate film from Burton minus the comic book
fantasy land. I wish he would would do more serious Horror

Mars Attacks! - Crap and more comic book crap at that. I don't want to see a comic book come to life. Sin City is an exception based purely on technique (Green screen)

Ed Wood - His best film ever made. Filmed as if were in 1959, Beautifully done.

Batman Returns - Crap

Edward Scissorhands - Nice film, but more of the same with outrageous set designs, bizarre characters, and that damn Elfman music.

Batman - Burton defines what was wrong with the Franchise from Day 1. After that, we have to sit through 3 more absurd comic book land films. Thank god Nolan comes around and makes it legitimate.

Beetle Juice - Original, fun, dark. And unfortunately the beginning of the same thing over and over and over.

Pee-wee's Big Adventure - A cute, fun (Kid's film?) that shows us the beginning of Burton's childbrain


Can the guy make a normal effin Movie without the gimmicky fantasy land he seems to be trapped in ?

I'm tired of this guys Schtick.

OK. Now your skating on thin ice, and youll be glad to hear your skate blades are razor sharp and you've gained 500lbs.

Burton, I will agree, makes the same types of movies over and over again, but some of the stuff you said... eh, I dont necesarily agree.
Here is my take on what you said...

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - Have not seen it, do not want to see it, looks like more crap... This movie was fall-off-the-seat funny. Burton did make it a little dark, and "fantasy-land"ish, but this is the way Roald Dahl meant it to be... this one, you should see. Depp is hilarious.

Big Fish - A cute film but more of the same. Big Fish was OK- nothing too special, but it wasnt bad.

Planet of the Apes - Crap. Agreed.

Sleepy Hollow - Finally a legitimate film from Burton minus the comic book
fantasy land. I wish he would would do more serious Horror. In my opinion, one of his best ones yet. It was just good horror fun.

Mars Attacks! - Crap and more comic book crap at that. I don't want to see a comic book come to life. Sin City is an exception based purely on technique (Green screen) P.O.S. I hated this one, it was ridiculous, and not funny.

Ed Wood - His best film ever made. Filmed as if were in 1959, Beautifully done. Have yet to see it.

Batman Returns - Crap Yep- crap.

Edward Scissorhands - Nice film, but more of the same with outrageous set designs, bizarre characters, and that damn Elfman music. Damn Elfman music? DAMN ELFMAN MUSIC. Scissorhands is his greatest accomplishment- almost anyone can tell you that. The movie was so-so, being cliche and acted strangely.

Batman - Burton defines what was wrong with the Franchise from Day 1. After that, we have to sit through 3 more absurd comic book land films. Thank god Nolan comes around and makes it legitimate. Boo-ooring. Nicholson made it fun, but the rest, I agree with you. (The third one was OK- dont mess with Nicole.

Beetle Juice - Original, fun, dark. And unfortunately the beginning of the same thing over and over and over. I didnt like this one- it embarrased me, watching Keaton do all that stuff.

Pee-wee's Big Adventure - A cute, fun (Kid's film?) that shows us the beginning of Burton's childbrain pKid's film. Ill agree that it was good, but kids film? Whoa, you must have missed those undertones.

Just tell em Large Marge sent 'ya.

And you need to add Nightmare and Corpse Bride to the list.

[spencer]

Quentin Tarantino :furious3:
( using a lot of profanity doesn't make him a good screenwriter either.)

Kevin Smith :(
( Just Lame! I don't even have to justify this one. It became clear with Jersey Girls that I wasn't alone in my pain.)

Woody Allen :crybaby:
( Ewwwww....Gross! I hate anything to do with him. It can be fun to laugh at him, not with him, but then again its mean to laugh at retards, so...)

Smith doesn't really have a leg to stand on, but calling Woody Allen and Quentin Tarantino "retarded" and "not a good screenwriter" respectively is kinda ridiculous, especially when you don't justify.

For starters, Quentin has won a SCREENWRITING OSCAR. They don't exactly hand that stuff out either. Not to mention his films aren't exactly "the same ol' schtick" as mentioned--he did a heist movie, a meandering gangster film, a con movie, and a kung fu movie. Now he's doing a horror movie. The only thing that remains between these is his writing style, which won him an Oscar, so why should he change it?

And Woody Allen being retarded? The man has garnered 21 oscar nominations for acting, directing, and writing. There are streaks of 4 years in which he gets nominated every year. And you can't argue very well that he does a lot of the same, other than his characterizations. I mean, he went from stuff like Bananas and Sleeper to Annie Hall and Manhattan to Match Point. Sure he acts the same in a lot, but people like seeing that; it's the constant in an ever changing equation. So, if he is retarded, he's one of the most impressive mentally disabled people i've ever heard of.

[J.R. Hudson]

I think he was a kid (That would explain the drama and mouth)

Now, who is Flyerland? And who are these guys running smack ? The only posts that get deleted are the personal flames, attacks or mouths.

The other guy (Was in Psynema or something? Again, who is flyerland?)
started crying about Font sizes. See guys, Font sizes, bold text, colred text, italisized text helps 'enunciate' your words a bit.

Why is everyone taking this so personally ? Lately, film discussion has seemed a volatile subject matter. This isn't a personal attack on Burton (Or you dvexcellence) so relax; better yet, participate


Why would you leave off Nightmare before Christmas - a cult classic often reissued in theatres for Halloween/Xmas? Corpse Bride too?

He did not direct those (I do enjoy them though). And I was sticking to live action anyway so probably would have left them off even if he did direct them.


Maybe you should take a break and actually watch some of his work again - maybe you haven't seen it in a few years


Huh ? It's just an opinion there pally.


And if you admittedly never seen some of his work, why even list Charlie and the Chocoloate factory

Charlie is the only film I have not seen.


Go watch some movies.

That's the point

Ece

Altough Tarantino is currently my favorite working director, I am looking forward to something new from him. Something a bit fresher. Obviously Grindhouse will be Grindhouse but Inglorious Bastards is what I have my eye on. I hope he plays it more straight up that go around

But I can see where some would put Tarantino on this list.

[ZFarms Productions]

What's with the big font? Screaming for attention?

You conveniently left a few titles off that list my friend LOL.


well let's add a few titles to the list... Temple of Doom, Last Crusade, AI, Catch Me If You Can, Hook, Always, ET, Close Encounters, Sugerland Express... all great films... sappy? AHAHAHA!

[Isaac_Brody]

I have to disagree, Temple of Doom is not a great film. It sucks. Lemme add Howard the Duck and Hook to the Spielberg suck list...

[ZFarms Productions]

Temple wasn't the best Indy flick, but it was still good in its own right... Hook i loved. i really don't understand why so many people dog it...

[Pen Cap Chew]

I have to disagree, Temple of Doom is not a great film. It sucks. Lemme add Howard the Duck and Hook to the Spielberg suck list...

What does Spielberg have to do with Howard the Duck?

[Hairy Lime]

I don't think you can give too much credit (or blame) to Bruckheimer or Spielberg for movies they produced. Often their name goes on a project with very little input and there's almost never an gauge by which to measure just how much input a producer had creatively in a project. Stick to the things they directed themselves. Then they have nobody else to blame. In which case Bruckheimer has nothing.

[Isaac_Brody]

What does Spielberg have to do with Howard the Duck?

Oops. Brain fart. :)

[Kholi]

Altough Tarantino is currently my favorite working director, I am looking forward to something new from him. Something a bit fresher. Obviously Grindhouse will be Grindhouse but Inglorious Bastards is what I have my eye on. I hope he plays it more straight up that go around

But I can see where some would put Tarantino on this list.

See, Hudson can be totally objective. But to be honest, as much as I hate on Tarantino, he runs the gamut. If he puts out a fantasy flick, might as well call it a wrap. He does what I want to do: venture into every territory.

If Rob Zombie makes another gore flick, add him to the fire, please.

[spidey]

I hate michael bay films. too formula built....

bryan singer... I hate him in general he made like one great movie and people still praise him. no one is satistfied with another movie he made except maybe apt pupil all his other is comic book crap. He's not good... he got lucky once... i mean director usually progress and go back to what worked for them others go his route. i mean really besides Usual Suspects has anyone loved his movie.... i just get upset when people worship him when he hasn't really accomplish anything after that, be side make comic book movie which arn't even close to source material..... andwith the biggest bomb yet being superman returns perhaps people will see that light of things.

robert R.... needs to mature more as a film-maker. I mean theres making movie for kids and stuff i understand that but he has wow'd me yet besides sincity but Frank Miller is behind that, he mostly just gave the palette to make it with.

i dunno when i say RR to people they say spykids... never his other films so He need to progress more, not tech wise but writing and direction.

George Lucas GROW UP AND QUIT LETTING YOU EGO GET IIN THE WAY! I mean he basically destroyed his franchise to me.... i cant even think about start wars with out making fun of it. i mean its not like Steven wanted to make sequels to his many films. I think he learn that its not good with jurassic park 2.....

[Tom Marshall]

Rodriguez had a few cheesy years there with the spy kids stuff... but he's coming back around to better things... seems him and QT are buddy buddy now...

[Hairy Lime]

See, Hudson can be totally objective. But to be honest, as much as I hate on Tarantino, he runs the gamut. If he puts out a fantasy flick, might as well call it a wrap. He does what I want to do: venture into every territory.

I'm not sure I understand this. Tarantino does one thing. Pulp fiction. Crime stories. Only his settings and scenarios change, but they're all the same thing. There's very little diversity in his body of work.

You want diversity? Danny Boyle is where you look. He's remarkable.

Shallow Grave - Suspense Thriller
Trainspotting - Drug Drama
A Life Less Ordinary - Romantic Comedy
The Beach - Adventure
28 Days Later - Horror
Millions - Family Drama
Sunshine - Sci-fi

Can't wait to see what he comes up with next.

[Kholi]

I'm not sure I understand this. Tarantino does one thing. Pulp fiction. Crime stories. Only his settings and scenarios change, but they're all the same thing. There's very little diversity in his body of work.

You want diversity? Danny Boyle is where you look. He's remarkable.

Shallow Grave - Suspense Thriller
Trainspotting - Drug Drama
A Life Less Ordinary - Romantic Comedy
The Beach - Adventure
28 Days Later - Horror
Millions - Family Drama
Sunshine - Sci-fi

Can't wait to see what he comes up with next.


Kill Bill isn't a crime story. Wtf. You hate on Tarantino more than I do.

And Boyle is fine. I haven't seen Millions nor A Life Less, but the rest are okay.

[spidey]

a life less is apparently almost what killed his career.

[spidey]

that and the beach....

[ZFarms Productions]

I'm not sure I understand this. Tarantino does one thing. Pulp fiction. Crime stories. Only his settings and scenarios change, but they're all the same thing. There's very little diversity in his body of work.

You want diversity? Danny Boyle is where you look. He's remarkable.

Shallow Grave - Suspense Thriller
Trainspotting - Drug Drama
A Life Less Ordinary - Romantic Comedy
The Beach - Adventure
28 Days Later - Horror
Millions - Family Drama
Sunshine - Sci-fi

Can't wait to see what he comes up with next.

good call there! boyle's work is great. i cant wait to see sunshine. :thumbsup:

[Hairy Lime]

Kill Bill isn't a crime story. Wtf. You hate on Tarantino more than I do.


Bill's a gangster.

The bride is one of his elite assassins.

Not a crime story? What is it then? A revenge story among criminals? Which makes it ... a crime story.

I don't hate QT at all. I enjoy his films, but all this "original" and "diverse" stuff is a little ridiculous. The guy is great at what he's good at, but he's limited in his scope and it's not particularly original, just very, very, very well done. And that's okay. I wish he'd adapt another Elmore Leonard novel personally, because nobody writes better modern pulp and nobody directs better modern pulp.

Millions is my favorite Boyle movie, but I really need to revisit Trainspotting, which I thought was brilliant upon first viewing.

[ZFarms Productions]

Trainspotting is my fav Boyle film... Sunshine looks really good though.

[spencer]

Rodriguez had a few cheesy years there with the spy kids stuff... but he's coming back around to better things... seems him and QT are buddy buddy now...


I'm gonna go out on a prediction limb and say Grindhouse is going to blow everyone away.

It's kinda like if the Faculty didn't suck and was supposed to pay homage to old 70's cinema.

But not in a bad way. I think Tarantino or Rodriguez summed it up as "a grindhouse flick that finally lives up to the awesomeness of the poster"

And, judging by what I've seen, they are correct. Effects look bitchin, cool ideas, still kinda sleazy and gritty.

Can't wait to see that footage again.

[jpeck]

It's kinda like if the Faculty didn't suck and was supposed to pay homage to old 70's cinema.

I hope I can get away with a copout like that with my first film. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

[GaryinCalifornia]

I'm not talking about the hype or popularity of a director. I am talking specifically of the way in which they do it. It could be thematic, it could be visually, anything ...

For me, it is Tim Burton

The man has made the same type of film (it seems) over and over and over. In side the mans head is this bizarre world of worms and claymation characters and big top circus tents.


Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - Have not seen it, do not want to see it, looks like more crap.

Same here didn't want to see it... Johnny Depp looked like a bad Michael Jackson...

Big Fish - A cute film but more of the same. [/QUOTE]

I really did like this film...

Planet of the Apes - Crap. [/QUOTE]

Ditto...

Sleepy Hollow - Finally a legitimate film from Burton minus the comic book
fantasy land. I wish he would would do more serious Horror. [/QUOTE]

Good but not great...

Mars Attacks! - Crap and more comic book crap at that. I don't want to see a comic book come to life. [/QUOTE]

Ditto...

Ed Wood - His best film ever made. Filmed as if were in 1959, Beautifully done.

You might be right about this one... didn't want to see it... was dragged in by a friend and I loved it...

Batman Returns - Crap

Same here...

Edward Scissorhands - Nice film, but more of the same with outrageous set designs, bizarre characters, and that damn Elfman music.

Same here...

Batman - Burton defines what was wrong with the Franchise from Day 1. After that, we have to sit through 3 more absurd comic book land films. Thank god Nolan comes around and makes it legitimate.

Agree Nolan's made the best Batman film so far...

Beetle Juice - Original, fun, dark. And unfortunately the beginning of the same thing over and over and over.

I never liked this film...

Pee-wee's Big Adventure - A cute, fun (Kid's film?) that shows us the beginning of Burton's childbrain

It was okay... but I never would buy it for my DVD collection...


Can the guy make a normal effin Movie without the gimmicky fantasy land he seems to be trapped in ?

I'm tired of this guys Schtick.
Yeah... I kinda of agree...

[Isaac_Brody]

Guy Ritchie is definitely on this list. And the sad part is I think he knows it too.

[MojoTrancer]

Bay's schtick is getting tiresome. He makes great popcorn movies, but he makes all of them exactly the same way, right down to the shots he chooses and the over-warm colors he saturates his images with. So he would definitely be at the top of my list.

And Singer needs to step away from hero flicks and try something new.

And then there's Lucas. I swear if I had to spend the next thirty years of my life making films in one "universe", I'd probably jump off a cliff in despair.

[J.R. Hudson]

I never put Richie into a high director category anyway; way too much credit for Lock Stock which came across as a Reservoir send-up British style anyways. I mean, what has this guy even done ?

Bryan Singer just seems very far removed from The Usual Suspects. I found Apt Pupil to be his last flick of any substance (in spite of enjoying X Men)

Bay ?

Yes, even though I enjoy his films for popcorn purposes, it is exactly the same thing over and over

I liken it his visual stamp as something you'd see in an AT&T commercial; too much gloss.

[FilmMakerr]

if you're gonna hate or dislike a director, do it because of their directing skills, not because their 'rich' or like to be in their movies.

[Kholi]

It's kinda like if the Faculty didn't suck and was supposed to pay homage to old 70's cinema.



To be honest, I like the Faculty. It's a guilt pleasure, seriously. But I didn't see it until like two months ago!!!!

It was like.. "whoa! This is The Thing! And and and...", and you just keep naming all of the movies it borrowed from.

[Kholi]

And if you wanna talk about someone doing only gangster films, Guy Richie's your man. Though I can't say I dislike any of them.

[Hairy Lime]

Swept Away is a gangster film?

[Blaine]

And if you wanna talk about someone doing only gangster films, Guy Richie's your man. Though I can't say I dislike any of them.
Guy Ritchie is a baby. What's he got, a couple of films? LS&SB, I enjoyed. Snatch, I didn't. That's all I've seen. Let's see if he grows as he goes...

[Kholi]

Oh wow, you know all this time I thought LAYER CAKE was Ritchie's... I'm wrong.

I suppose he really only has a few. GOod call, Blaine.

[Hairy Lime]

Layer Cake was too, um, layered for Ritchie.

[ece]

OK. Now your skating on thin ice, and youll be glad to hear your skate blades are razor sharp and you've gained 500lbs.


LOL!

[ece]

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - The original rocked, but the remake is also classic.

If you think Michael Jackson is a freak you'll love Johnny Depp's performance.

A man who is eccentric and owns a candy factory invites all the little kiddies in to play with his stuff. His acting was dead on and it seemed like he got his inspiration from Wacko Jacko.

BTW, I don't know why everyone hates Batman Returns. Then again I don't think all films need to be uptight and overly serious like Superman Returns. SR was alright but BR had some great acting.

[SPZ]

I'll say M. Night to see if this influences him to play down his roles a little. Lady In The Water could have been a better movie if he was not so arrogant as to play the part he did. Probably this wont disturb people that don't know how M Night looks like, but it certainly distracted me much to enjoy the movie for what it was. And he really is a bad actor. His performance certainly stood out negatively in such a good cast- Specially Giamanti and Bryce Dallas. He's still An excelent director and one of the better storytellers Hollywood has to offer nowadays, in my opinion.

Woody Allen- Latelly he just can't come up with the genious of his early films. One can't deny a wonderfull movie like Manhatan.

John Woo- Pigeons and slow motion no more! ( The HVX should have a "John Woo slow motion approved seal" on it :) )

Steven Sorderbergh- No more Ocean's, please! And your "Style" is nothing more than ripping off the European "Dogma 95" movement....

Bryan Singer- Crap. Since I haven't seen the Usual Suspects that everyone praise, all I can say is that the movies I've seen from him X-men, x2, Superman ranged from mediocre to average (x1 and Super- mediocre, x2 average)

As for Tim Burton, I really liked both Batmans from him. They are in my opinion a lot better than Begins- no sense of style and mood whatsoever. (the others aren't worth mentioning)

I also Loved Big Fish.

[J.R. Hudson]

No we are not doing personal attcks; but an FYI is that she was 22 years old (if you are referring to Soon-Yi) and the other charges were never verfified


John Woo- Pigeons and slow motion no more! ( The HVX should have a "John Woo slow motion approved seal" on it

Now that I agree with. John Woo and slow motion action scenes. Jeeez. Like The A Team.

The only time he got slow motion right is in Face/Off while Somewhere Over the Rainbow is playing.

I can deal with films like Hard Target, Broken Arrow and Face Off, but why Woo gets mad props is a another mystery too me. Windtalkers was so bad.

[Blaine]

No we are not doing personal attcks; but an FYI is that she was 22 years old (if you are referring to Soon-Yi) and the other charges were never verfified



Now that I agree with. John Woo and slow motion action scenes. Jeeez. Like The A Team.

The only time he got slow motion right is in Face/Off while Somewhere Over the Rainbow is playing.

I can deal with films like Hard Target, Broken Arrow and Face Off, but why Woo gets mad props is a another mystery too me. Windtalkers was so bad.
The only John Woo movie I have ever liked is Paycheck. And that may have more to do with the fact that it's a Philip K. Dick story. :)

[Hairy Lime]

Steven Sorderbergh- No more Ocean's, please! And your "Style" is nothing more than ripping off the European "Dogma 95" movement....

Huh? What has Soderbergh done Dogme 95 style? And don't mention sex, lies, and videotape since that came out 6 years before Lars and company's treatise. Also, given the very nature of Dogme 95, I believe they'd embrace him making films in their style rather than accusing him of ripping it off.

But you're completely off base. The closest he's come to Dogme is with Bubble and he violated most of their rules while making that.

The guy is Versatile with a capital V. He gives us the Oceans movies, Traffic, Bubble, Erin Brockovich, Out of Sight, The Limey, etc. He's forever changing his style all the while producing some great flims too.

Bag on Singer and whoever else you don't like, but Soderbergh is solid.

[Hairy Lime]

If we believed every unsubstantiated rumor we heard about celebrities, there would be none left to celebrate.

[Blaine]

Bag on Singer and whoever else you don't like, but Soderbergh is solid.Not.

[Hairy Lime]

Not.

The guy has won prizes at Sundance and Cannes and has an Academy Award for Best Director. We should all suck so bad.

Not all his films are a hit with audiences, but I admire his willingness to make what he wants rather than pandering to the lowest common denominator when he makes things like Bubble or Solaris.

[J.R. Hudson]

Huh? What has Soderbergh done Dogme 95 style? And don't mention sex, lies, and videotape since that came out 6 years before Lars and company's treatise. Also, given the very nature of Dogme 95, I believe they'd embrace him making films in their style rather than accusing him of ripping it off.

But you're completely off base. The closest he's come to Dogme is with Bubble and he violated most of their rules while making that.

The guy is Versatile with a capital V. He gives us the Oceans movies, Traffic, Bubble, Erin Brockovich, Out of Sight, The Limey, etc. He's forever changing his style all the while producing some great flims too.

Bag on Singer and whoever else you don't like, but Soderbergh is solid.

The only things I've liked about SOD is Erin Brockovich, Sex, Lies and Videotapes, and Out of Site (Mainly because it was an Elmore Leonard novel). But none of these do I find OMG! THIS RULES!

The rest has been (eh)

I tried really hard to like Traffic more than it being average but could not. The Ocean films are just horrible and with that PArt 2 Julia pretending to be JUlia thing; you cannot be serious!

I agree with them being nominated for talent but not the NOD he got

[Hairy Lime]

Fair enough, John, but this thread is about a tired schtick. Soderbergh has no schtick, because he's constantly reinventing himself.

Out of Sight is my favorite of his by a fair margin as well thanks to good ol' Elmore.

I enjoyed Ocean's 11, but not 12.

sex, lies, and videotape is a favorite and I enjoyed Traffic and actually liked Bubble for the experiment it was. Erin Brockovich and The Limey are a couple other movies I'd watch more than once.

[Kholi]

Ocean's 11 is great.

Good line on Soderbergh, Lime.

[Blaine]

The guy has won prizes at Sundance and Cannes and has an Academy Award for Best Director.
So I guess we can all agree that Robert Redford is a great director because he won an Academy Award for Ordinary People. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

Not to mention that GREAT AMERICAN DIRECTOR, Kevin Costner. http://www.geocities.com/the_callaghans/emoticon-05.gif

[J.R. Hudson]

Not to mention that GREAT AMERICAN DIRECTOR, Kevin Costner. http://www.geocities.com/the_callaghans/emoticon-05.gif

Damn you Blaine !

[Blaine]

Damn you Blaine !:Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

[Hairy Lime]

Redford should definitely direct more often. I'd give my left nut for his directing resume.

Ordinary People is a great film, particularly from a writer's POV. Should it have beat Raging Bull? Debatable. But it certainly isn't one of the embarrassments in Oscar lore.

[Blaine]

And we're all comfortable with Soderbergh winning for Traffic?

Oh, and btw, Solaris was a snoozefest. http://goldismoney.info/forums/images/smilies/sleep.gif

[Isaac_Brody]

I like Soderbergh's The Limey best of all his work. I have to admit that when Ocean's 11 is on I usually spend a few minutes watching it. It's like filmic bubblegum. Tasty for a few minutes but not a full meal.

[Hairy Lime]

And we're all comfortable with Soderbergh winning for Traffic?

Over the other nominees? Um, Yes?

He beat ...

Gladiator
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Billy Elliott
and himself for Erin Brockovich

Not exactly a stellar year for the director nominees.

[J.R. Hudson]

Ill take Gladiator over any of those.

Other films I would have considered other than Erin or Traffic would be:

Shadow of the Vampire
Thirteen Days
Tigerland

[SPZ]

Agreed. Traffic- was it "that"good? I think it was average, like John. The "irresponsible schoolgirl with too much cash that happens to be the prosecutors daughter" storyline was just plain terrible and moralistic. A Complete contrast to the others.

As for ripping of Dogma: just look at the camera work and style of either Traffic and Brokovich. Dogma turned handheld "realistic"into a "fashion. Soderberg merely followed this fashion. (Sex & Videotape was a different story- different style altogheter- I liked that one)

Erin Brokovitch is another average movie. A movie starts has a fight for Women's rights, than changes to a tipical TV "L.A Law" episode. Pretty average. great Julia performance.

As for Ocean's Eleven, its very, very average. I won't say mediocre because it isn't, but its just an average movie with the tipical "Scooby Doo"twists in it. Ocean Twelve was an insult to the viewer, with that Julia doing Julia moment. That's the director and the cast laughing at our expense. I sincerely liked Last Action Hero's take on this a lot better- and that's saying something.

And I would definetly vote for Gladiator in that year, too. Unpretentious, well done filmmaking. (The ending could be better, specially on the "girl" speech part, but, as they say in the DVD, the actor supposed to do te Speech scene died before filming, so it was a workaround.)


EDIT- I actually liked some of Kevin Kostners films... I liked Dances With Wolves, Waterworld (yeah, yeah...) and The Postman. The last two (Waterworld and Postman) feel so much like japanese Anime storyteling, and they do have a certain "heart"in them. They feel like "Fist of The North Star" in a certain way, but with a likeable hero in both cases. (I know I'm going to be trashed by saying this :) )

[ece]

Steve Martin should be added to the list of bad directors after Bowfinger.

[SPZ]

Steve Martin should be added to the list of bad directors after Bowfinger. remember that one?

I did like the part when they trew the actor that was from the "union" out of the door... :)

[Yas Kassana]

Guy Ritchie is definitely on this list. And the sad part is I think he knows it too.


That's what I was going to say. Guy Ritchie needs to wake up and make another popcorn stereotypical London movie. By the way we Londoners don't actually talk like dat, sorry that.

Also, another director I am sick of, Sofia Coppola.

[spidey]

how shes made different stuff.

[Isaac_Brody]

Sofia Coppola's only made three features. The Virgin Suicides, is very different than Lost in Translation, which is pretty far removed from Marie Antionette. I think she's young as a director, and very talented. I don't think she has a "schtick" yet.

[Hairy Lime]

Pretty sure after about 10 or 12 posts nobody remembers the original topic anymore and begins ranting about whoever they don't like.

Coppola's talented. And doesn't have a schtick yet unless her schtick is isolating the viewer from the characters, which she does better than just about anybody.

[The Machinist]

Steve Martin should be added to the list of bad directors after Bowfinger.

I thought it was funny.

Certainly better than stuff like the Cheaper by the dozen movies.

Or the raping of Peter Seller's corpse that was the Pink Panther remake.

[Matthew B. Moore]

damn, missed another good thread.

[Hairy Lime]

Ill take Gladiator over any of those.

I wouldn't have even nominated Gladiator in a year that brought us ...

Requiem for a Dream
Chocolat
Almost Famous
O Brother, Where Art Thou?

Along with the other nominees.

Gladiator is a formulaic sword and sandals epic that I couldn't sit through again after an initial viewing.

[J.R. Hudson]

I wouldn't have even nominated Gladiator in a year that brought us ...

Requiem for a Dream
Chocolat
Almost Famous
O Brother, Where Art Thou?

Along with the other nominees.

Gladiator is a formulaic sword and sandals epic that I couldn't sit through again after an initial viewing.

Believe it or not; I have never seen Requiem

Chocolat - Oh no. If there is ever a talent that screwed their way to the top it must be Juliette Binoche

Almost Famous - Great film; but not my cup of Oscar

O Brother - Another great film; but too 'ha ha and cute' for me

-

Formulaic ? I found it a nice homage to Spartucus

Formulaic ? The protaganist DIES

Gladiator reninvented the genre. Before Gladiator, Hollywood just did not do the Epic film anymore. I give Gladiator a bit of credit for bringing back the period epic.

Crowe is superbly cast
Phoenix proves he is far superior to his borther in talent
Oliver Reed, Richard Harris .....

The sets, the fx, the score....

Great film, and my choice for BEST PICTURE that year.

[The Machinist]

Chocolat - Oh no. If there is ever a talent that screwed their way to the top it must be Juliette Binoche


Hahaha so true.

And in terms of Oscar winner that year i too think it should have gone to Requiem.

It's probably the greatest movie that you will never want to watch again.

[J.R. Hudson]

In fact

That is a rare case of Hollywood getting it right.

[Hairy Lime]

Note to self: offer role to Juliette Binoche.

[J.R. Hudson]

Lol !

[Blaine]

Gladiator reninvented the genre. Before Gladiator, Hollywood just did not do the Epic film anymore. I give Gladiator a bit of credit for bringing back the period epic.

Crowe is superbly cast
Phoenix proves he is far superior to his borther in talent
Oliver Reed, Richard Harris .....

The sets, the fx, the score....

Great film, and my choice for BEST PICTURE that year.
I'd have to go with Gladiator, also. For me, Shadow of the Vampire is also up there.

[J.R. Hudson]

Loved Vampire (and Tigerland as mentioned; not enough gritty films)

[Hairy Lime]

Gladiator, of course, isn't the most egregious Best Picture winner of the last 10 years. Not by a long shot. I don't have a problem with it winning Best Picture, because, as you mentioned, so many things worked well together. But for Best Director, I think there's a reason why it didn't win that honor despite winning Best Picture. Soderbergh for Traffic might not have been the best alternative, but when he's nominated for 2 different films in a single year, there's a pretty darn good chance he's going to win.

[The Machinist]

not enough gritty films

John you're cheating yourself by not watching Requiem.



isn't the most egregious Best Picture winner of the last 10 years. Not by a long shot

Just curious which one you think is?

For me I was really burned by Crash's victory.

[J.R. Hudson]

It is one that escaped me

Had a newborn that year; was working for the Port of San Diego on the boats ..... Crazy year 2000

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The last 3 times I have went to rent it; it was out

[Blaine]

Just curious which one you think is?

For me I was really burned by Crash's victory.
Yeah, I couldn't believe it. That really sucked.

[J.R. Hudson]

Gladiator, of course, isn't the most egregious Best Picture winner of the last 10 years. Not by a long shot. I don't have a problem with it winning Best Picture, because, as you mentioned, so many things worked well together. But for Best Director, I think there's a reason why it didn't win that honor despite winning Best Picture. Soderbergh for Traffic might not have been the best alternative, but when he's nominated for 2 different films in a single year, there's a pretty darn good chance he's going to win.

Thats a good point

I always have trouble seperating Best Picture and Best Director; like how can it not be one in the same ?

[The Machinist]

The last 3 times I have went to rent it; it was out

Maybe tonight will be the lucky night.


Then you too can be scarred by it like I was.

[Hairy Lime]

John you're cheating yourself by not watching Requiem.Agreed. Powerful, powerful movie. I bet you can buy the DVD for <$10 on deepdiscountdvd.com
Just curious which one you think is?

For me I was really burned by Crash's victory.Crash's win surprised me, but I didn't feel betrayed by it. I didn't find the other nominees particularly stellar either - my favorite being the longshot Good Night, and Good Luck.

In the past 10 years I was first shocked by Shakespeare in Love beating Saving Private Ryan and The Thin Red Line.

Then by Chicago beating The Pianist. This one truly shocked me given Polanski's much deserved Best Director Oscar.

Then by Million Dollar Baby beating The Aviator, Finding Neverland, and Sideways. The Aviator stands at Scorsese's most mature work to date. Finding Neverland is a magical story perfectly executed. Sideways is Hal Ashby reincarnated (if he weren't still alive). And yet the sappy melodrama with the over the top antagonist wins? Ugh.

But my most egregious of the past 10 years goes to A Beautiful Mind. I suppose I can see them overlooking Fellowship of the Ring, because they knew 2 more installments were going to come in the next 2 years and why not give the statue to the final film as a nod to all 3? But Gosford Park and In the Bedroom were a couple remarkably subtle and intelligent films that got snubbed for a dishonest saccharine sweet exploration of paranoid schizophrenia.

[The Machinist]

I couldn't agree with you more on every single point made.

[J.R. Hudson]

Agreed. Powerful, powerful movie. I bet you can buy the DVD for <$10 on deepdiscountdvd.comCrash's win surprised me, but I didn't feel betrayed by it. I didn't find the other nominees particularly stellar either - my favorite being the longshot Good Night, and Good Luck.

My favorite was Munich by leaps and bounds.


In the past 10 years I was first shocked by Shakespeare in Love beating Saving Private Ryan and The Thin Red Line.

I agree 100%. The Academy is full of shi*; political ...


Then by Chicago beating The Pianist. This one truly shocked me given Polanski's much deserved Best Director Oscar.

Again, yes yes yes!


Then by Million Dollar Baby beating The Aviator, Finding Neverland, and Sideways. The Aviator stands at Scorsese's most mature work to date. Finding Neverland is a magical story perfectly executed. Sideways is Hal Ashby reincarnated (if he weren't still alive). And yet the sappy melodrama with the over the top antagonist wins? Ugh.

Yes. I was not impressed with Million Dollar Baby; however Sideways and The Aviator were wonderful.



But my most egregious of the past 10 years goes to A Beautiful Mind. I suppose I can see them overlooking Fellowship of the Ring, because they knew 2 more installments were going to come in the next 2 years and why not give the statue to the final film as a nod to all 3? But Gosford Park and In the Bedroom were a couple remarkably subtle and intelligent films that got snubbed for a dishonest saccharine sweet exploration of paranoid schizophrenia.

I would have preferred BHD, LOTR, From Hell, Training Day, Enemy at the Gates ...

[Tom Marshall]

Yes. I was not impressed with Million Dollar Baby; however Sideways and The Aviator were wonderful.

I found the Aviator hard to take in because DiCaprio just didn't fit the role. He just looked like a kid dressing up as an adult...

[The Machinist]

I found the Aviator hard to take in because DiCaprio just didn't fit the role. He just looked like a kid dressing up as an adult...

I thought that's what most people thought of Howard Hughes.

[J.R. Hudson]

Ha ha!

Good point Machine.

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I dig Capprio; I find him one of the most talented actors working today and he gets a rough break about his boyish looks

Dude's 32 years young. I don't think I've disapointed in anything he's done.

[Tom Marshall]

Yeah he is a good actor... Everything he's done, esp. Gilbert Grape, has been easy to watch. But he did such a great job in GG... very believable as that character.

[spidey]

what about critter 3 or 4... which one was he in in space right?

[The Machinist]

He was in 3.

Takes place in a rundown urban slum.

4 was in space but sans DiCaprio


Jesus why do i know this crap.

[spidey]

i couldnt remeber but i think thats his best role... ever.

[Tom Marshall]

He was in 3.

Takes place in a rundown urban slum.

4 was in space but sans DiCaprio


Jesus why do i know this crap.

LOL I'm impressed.

[The Machinist]

If only my gf was as easily impressed.

I have to keep this movie geek trivia to myself if i want to keep "impressing" her jeans off every night.

[Tom Marshall]

If only my gf was as easily impressed.

I have to keep this movie geek trivia to myself if i want to keep "impressing" her jeans off every night.

Wouldn't it be cool if chicks found impressive what us guys did?

[The Machinist]

man if only.

Wilt Chamberlain would have nothing on DVXUsers.

[Tom Marshall]

I can see it now...

Hey baby, did you know that in the new Superman flick, Superman saves the planet Genesis? They called it Genesis because that's the camera is was filmed on... isn't that cool?? Can I get some now? :D

[The Machinist]

Hey Sugar, Did you know the line "We need a bigger boat". Was improvised by Roy Sheider?

Yea that's right i know what you're thinking, "Why did i even bother putting on pants today?"


Alllllriiiight it's business time.

[Tom Marshall]

And if she starts to get dressed... wait wait! (I actually can't come up with anything, but you get the point...)

[The Machinist]

(I actually can't come up with anything, but you get the point...)

I got nothing either.

I think we can consider this one a :

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/9866/1156795102.jpg

[Hairy Lime]

Is that a screen grab from Japon?

[Tom Marshall]

now THAT'S funny... :beer:

[The Machinist]

Afraid i don't know.

Pulled it up from a Google image search.

[Yas Kassana]

Hey Sofia Coppola stinks. You wanna fight about it, let's take it outside!!!!! Come on!

[Yas Kassana]

I would just like to apologise for my post above, I am going through a very hard time right now, with my long fingernails and extra tight y-fronts. They hurt.

I would not like to take you outside and fight with you, infact I would rather we just make out.

Sofia Coppola is a great director. I would pork her anyday.

[Justin Kuhn]

I'm tired of Kubrick's schtick. Man, what a hack.

[Yas Kassana]

:kali:
I'm tired of Kubrick's schtick. Man, what a hack.

I am going to kill your pet bedmite for saying that....

[Tom Marshall]

Kubrick's a hack????? Man, I hope you got a good deal on whatever you're smoking there...

[-zach-]

Let me just say.... to everyone on this thread:

BURNED!

:violent5:

[Justin Kuhn]

Oh, come on...always with the stirring classical score, the wide shots, the people going insane...

[jpeck]

Happy, I think you are looking for the word STYLE. Kubrick has a definate style that is easly found within most of his work. He however is hardly a "hack".

[Justin Kuhn]

So do most of the directors being discussed in this thread. Kevin Smith, Rodreguiz, Tarentino, Guy Ritchie, David Fincher, Tony Scott, Tim Burton, Kubrick--they're all well-noted because they all have a distinct style. Directorial style can include casting, dialogue and genre as well as composition and score. Some of these guys could stand to work with some different actors or maybe switch up tone or genre a little bit, but they're all skilled filmmakers who make entertaining films with lasting value. Not as a rule, you understand; but enough that the label of hack is undeserved.

[Justin Kuhn]

No argument?

[J.R. Hudson]

The only hack I see on that list is Smith.

[Justin Kuhn]

Yeah...but he's a lovable hack.