The Untouchables

[Brandon Rice]

Well, yet another "older" new film I had not seen (now for me anything before 1990 is older)... Anyway, I loved the movie. Generally I hate (yes hate) Kevin Costner in just about every movie, but he did a darn great job in this one! He played it straight, and didn't "try" to hard. DeNiro was brilliant as Al Capone, and Connery was just awesome! The cinematography and art design was spot on (though I could swear I spotted a modern day Exit sign in one shot...) but nevertheless the shots were great! I thought the pace moved along well, didn't drag for me, and I was certain I knew the ending, but alas, I predicted wrong, which I like in a film. Anyway, great movie, and I thoroughly enjoyed it! :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG) :thumbsup:

[J.R. Hudson]

Untouchable's is great - DE PALMA!

(And Walmrat has it for $9.00)

Why do so many people dis on Costner; why ?

[Brandon Rice]

Untouchable's is great - DE PALMA!

(And Walmrat has it for $9.00)

Why do so many people dis on Costner; why ?

Ah man, I'll have to go buy it! (I just rented it)

Honestly, I've never really like Costner... just not my style I guess. The only other thing I liked him in was 13 Days... and most people hated that film... I really liked it, and liked his role in that movie.

[jpeck]

I think its Costner's "baseball hero" character that people dislike. Especially when that character is in a movie that has nothing to do with baseball.

[J.R. Hudson]

A ton of people dog on Kevin

I love him

Fandango, Silverado, America Flyers, (Even that Amazing Stories episode), in fact

His entire career

Why? No one can ever say why.

[Chris Stearns]

A ton of people dog on Kevin

I love him

Fandango, Silverado, America Flyers, (Even that Amazing Stories episode), in fact

His entire career

Why? No one can ever say why.

Waterworld, and The Postman...that's why.

[jpeck]

I guess its the same way its cool to make fun of Uwe Boll, even though most people have never seen any of his movies.

I don't think Boll is talented or makes good movies, but at least I will check them out before I make judgement.

Not to mention Costner jumps back and forth between quality roles and stuff he just likes(I guess).

[Brandon Rice]

A ton of people dog on Kevin

I love him

Fandango, Silverado, America Flyers, (Even that Amazing Stories episode), in fact

His entire career

Why? No one can ever say why.

Ah see... I've NEVER seen those movies :) I don't like him in, Waterworld, Field of Dreams, Open Range, For Love of The Game, Dances with Wolves, Wyatt Earp... those are ones that come to mind where I couldn't stand K.C. I can pinpoint the reason I don't like his acting too... He's so monotone to me, which works sometimes, but a lot of times it doesn't... he always plays things real low key IMO... which as I said works sometimes, but doesn't work other times... I want him to have more feeling to his characters... Anyway... there's my beef with K.C.

[J.R. Hudson]

Waterworld, and The Postman...that's why.

That's 2 movies in a career..

Why ?



I guess its the same way its cool to make fun of Uwe Boll, even though most people have never seen any of his movies.


You're comparing Uwe Bolle to Costner ?

House of the Dead? Alone in the Dark ?

Due makes the worst films EVER

Costner has won an Academy Award

[J.R. Hudson]

Ah see... I've NEVER seen those movies :) I don't like him in, Waterworld, Field of Dreams, Open Range, For Love of The Game, Dances with Wolves, Wyatt Earp... those are ones that come to mind where I couldn't stand K.C. I can pinpoint the reason I don't like his acting too... He's so monotone to me, which works sometimes, but a lot of times it doesn't... he always plays things real low key IMO... which as I said works sometimes, but doesn't work other times... I want him to have more feeling to his characters... Anyway... there's my beef with K.C.

You are not allowed to cast my films Brandon

[Brandon Rice]

You are not allowed to cast my films Brandon

Fair enough my friend :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG) I see we have different tastes in actors.

[jpeck]

Academy Award = quality?

I am comparing that people ussually rag on Costner for the same reason people do it to Boll. How many people have seen most of Costners movies and rag on him? How many people just say Waterworld and the Postman and think they have created some end all arguement.

Same goes for Boll, most just look at his titles and say "WORST DIRECTOR EVER".

It is trendy to dislike them.

[Chris Stearns]

I think Kevin Costner is falling into the realm that Burt Reynolds fell into in the 80's.

He's a good actor as long as he's acting like himself.

I really liked him in "No Way Out, " & "Dances W/ Wolves." I especially liked him in "Wyatt Earp" and "Open Range."

[jpeck]

You guys ever see 3000 Miles to Graceland?

[J.R. Hudson]

Academy Award = quality?

I am comparing that people ussually rag on Costner for the same reason people do it to Boll. How many people have seen most of Costners movies and rag on him? How many people just say Waterworld and the Postman and think they have created some end all arguement.

Same goes for Boll, most just look at his titles and say "WORST DIRECTOR EVER".

It is trendy to dislike them.

They do ? Wait

You're putting Bolle and Costner in the same breath? WTF ? Bolle is one of the worst filmmakers ever.



Academy Award = quality?


Example of this not being the case?

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Bricey ? Who are your FAVS ?

[Brandon Rice]

Favorite Actors John? Let's see... putting me on the spot here... Ok, first let me say, I'll keep it in modern times (80's on) since I'm a youngin' and haven't had a ton of time to watch all the good classics.

I like: Johnny Depp
Matt Damon
George Clooney
Harrison Ford
Patrick Stewart
Kiefer Sutherland (wish he got more movie roles)
Christian Bale

obviously these guys are just off the top of my head... the first two have always been favorites of mine... And obviously these guys are all good for different kinds of roles, not every role... I'd say the most versatile of the guys would be Johnny Depp or Christian Bale.

[jpeck]

Regardless if Boll is one of the worst film makers or not is rather irrelivant if what constitutes as a good film is subjective. Thus making it rather important to see the movie to infact declare the movie is bad. So my point is rather valid as how he and Costner can be compared to each other.

Not to mention Costner has not won an Academy Award for acting and that is what we are talking about here is it not? The few good movies(according to some people) he made in his earlier years hardly makes up for most of his junk movies in the 90s and 00s.

[jpeck]

Here is a link showing Mr. Costner's wonderful acting career.

http://imdb.com/name/nm0000126/

Just making it easier so people wont be ashamed of having "KEVIN COSTNER" stored in the IMDB search cache.

[J.R. Hudson]

Favorite Actors John? Let's see... putting me on the spot here... Ok, first let me say, I'll keep it in modern times (80's on) since I'm a youngin' and haven't had a ton of time to watch all the good classics.

I like: Johnny Depp
Matt Damon
George Clooney
Harrison Ford
Patrick Stewart
Kiefer Sutherland (wish he got more movie roles)
Christian Bale

obviously these guys are just off the top of my head... the first two have always been favorites of mine... And obviously these guys are all good for different kinds of roles, not every role... I'd say the most versatile of the guys would be Johnny Depp or Christian Bale.

That's a good list BMan

I can agree

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Regardless if Boll is one of the worst film makers or not is rather irrelivant if what constitutes as a good film is subjective. Thus making it rather important to see the movie to infact declare the movie is bad. So my point is rather valid as how he and Costner can be compared to each other.

You brought him into the conversation but Ill gladly kick him out


Not to mention Costner has not won an Academy Award for acting and that is what we are talking about here is it not? The few good movies(according to some people) he made in his earlier years hardly makes up for most of his junk movies in the 90s and 00s.


Winning an Oscar doesnt always seal the deal on the skilly

But

Costner is solid.

The Untouchables (Connery wins the Oscar), Bull Durham (Ron Shelton is nominated), Field of Dreams (Nominated for Best Picture and Best Writing), Dances with Wolves (Wins Cinematography, Director, Editing, Score, Picture, Screenplay), JFK (Wins Cinematography and Editing) Nominated for Supprting Actor, Director, Score, Picture, Screenplay), Wyatt Earp )Cinematography), Tin Cup (Nominated for Golden Globe for Actor) .....

All signs of a hack performer

Did you even see 13 Days ? Open Range ?

[Brandon Rice]

That's a good list BMan

I can agree



Cool man :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG) Who are some of your faves?

[J.R. Hudson]

Gibson

And then (in no particular)

DeNiro
Crowe
Ford
Clooney
Madsen
Costner
Dillon
Nolte
Willis
Murray
Russell
Walken
Newman
Pacino
McQueen

[jpeck]

Of course I did.


Have you seen Rumor Has It, The Upside of Anger, Dragonfly, 3000 Miles to Gracelant, For Love of the Game, The Postman, Waterworld, The War, The Bodyguard, Robin Hood or Sizzle Beach USA? I have and they are terrible.

As I said, the few great acting jobs he has done do not make up for all of the crap in the later part of his career.

However, even after all of these movies I don't hate the guy or think he is a bad terrible actor, he just picks a lot of junk(my opinion) to be in.

I also think Tin Cup, JFK and Bull Durham were weak preformances.

[J.R. Hudson]

Seen em all

Disagree 100 %

[MOVIE STUNTS]

Back to The Untouchables, this is one of my personal fav's from childhood. Stellar acting all around.

[jpeck]

Indeed, Connery and Costner were great together.

PS - Happy bday to Connery.

[Rasquachemedia]

i love deniro in this film. no one could have played a better scarface. hoskins was already contracted but was later replaced with deniro. apparently deniro got mucko bucks for just a couple of weeks work.

the whole cast is amazing in this film. wasn't this connery's comeback film? can't remember. i love the cinematography, the shooting, the music, the editing, everything makes this film great.

[Brandon Rice]

Gibson

And then (in no particular)

DeNiro
Crowe
Ford
Clooney
Madsen
Costner
Dillon
Nolte
Willis
Murray
Russell
Walken
Newman
Pacino
McQueen

Very good list as well. Gibson is amazing, totally missed him in my list.

[ZFarms Productions]

I love The Untouchables. Costner is great. I agree with Hudson here. Too many people rag on Costner. Sure, he's done a couple bad movies, but so has a lot of actors. Look at the good ones that he's done. Wyatt Earp, Dances With Wolves, Field of Dreams, JFK (a personal fav of mine), The Untouchables, Tin Cup was good IMO, 13 Days, Open Range, he was good in The Upside of Anger, i liked him in Robin Hood, Bull Durham, Silverado... that many great roles and people rag on him for 2 or 3.... i just don't get it.

I grew up on the original Untouchables series. My dad and I would always watch it, and when I saw an old classic car from the 30's that looked like any in The Untouchables I'd always call it "An Untouchables car."

[The Machinist]

it's all about TIN CUP BABY!

[bewillia]

Gibson

And then (in no particular)

DeNiro
Crowe
Ford
Clooney
Madsen
Costner
Dillon
Nolte
Willis
Murray
Russell
Walken
Newman
Pacino
McQueen


whoa. weird. this is almost identical to my "least favorite" list.

[MalcolmOng]

For once i coulnd tbe bothered to follow the rest of the posts. But The Untouchables is without question one of my favourite shows. Next I'm gonna watch the godfather series..if i can get my grubby hands on it

[The Machinist]

whoa. weird. this is almost identical to my "least favorite" list.


Sounds like trolling.

You could at least explain whom on that list you don't like and why.


Cause i see some damn fine actors on that list.

[Kdawg]

You guys are nuts, I'm with you John! Costner is great. I enjoy his movies. Except for the fact I need a three hour window to watch most of em :) I dont ever have that much time on my hands.

Brandon!! I think Matt Damon is on your list because you look a bit like him!!

[Brandon Rice]

Sounds like trolling.

You could at least explain whom on that list you don't like and why.


Cause i see some damn fine actors on that list.

Yeah agreed... I am not a HUGE fan of ALL of them, but it's a good list nonetheless!



Brandon!! I think Matt Damon is on your list because you look a bit like him!!

That's funny. I HAVE gotten that before...

[Larry Rutledge]

I have never liked Costner either. My biggest beef with him is that he seems to play the same character no matter what role he is in. And there is something about his voice that always feels out of place to me, perhaps it is the monotone that was mentioned earlier, I'm not sure...but he's not a personal fan of mine.

I like Brandon and Hudson's lists, but I also really like actors like Ian McKellen, Michael Caine, Ben Kingsley, John Noble, Ian Holm, and Christopher Lee.

[Brandon Rice]

but he's not a personal fan of mine.


That's a shame... I'm a fan of yours Larry! :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

[The Machinist]

Ian McKellen, Michael Caine, Ben Kingsley, John Noble, Ian Holm, and Christopher Lee.

Totally with you on those gents.

I was discussing la Haine with someone last night and i have to say i really like Vincent Cassel. I'd like to see him do more here in the States.

[Larry Rutledge]

but he's not a personal fan of mine.That's a shame... I'm a fan of yours Larry! :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

HA HA ... caught me on that one. That makes just NO sense at all, does it? :huh: I was trying to say I'm not a fan of his (Costner's, that is).

Glad to hear I have a fan, though :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

[Brandon Rice]

HA HA ... caught me on that one. That makes just NO sense at all, does it? :huh: I was trying to say I'm not a fan of his (Costner's, that is).

Glad to hear I have a fan, though :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
I know what you were trying to say dude, just givin' you a hard time, haha. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

[J.R. Hudson]

whoa. weird. this is almost identical to my "least favorite" list.

Please

[Brandon Rice]

Please

Amen... homeboy has some weird tastes, LOL!

[Blaine]

The Untouchables (Connery wins the Oscar), Bull Durham (Ron Shelton is nominated), Field of Dreams (Nominated for Best Picture and Best Writing), Dances with Wolves (Wins Cinematography, Director, Editing, Score, Picture, Screenplay), JFK (Wins Cinematography and Editing) Nominated for Supprting Actor, Director, Score, Picture, Screenplay), Wyatt Earp )Cinematography), Tin Cup (Nominated for Golden Globe for Actor) .....

Costner, meh.

I don't think Connery needed Costner to elevate his acting. But on the otherhand perhaps ANYBODY would look good opposite Costner. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

He comes off to me as a ham. Perhaps his best acting performance was in The Big Chill. (j/k :evil: )

The only two movies I enjoyed his performance in were No Way Out and Bull Durham. He was okay in Field of Dreams but I felt James Earl Jones made that movie. I liked Open Range in spite of him...same with The Untouchables.

He was just terrible in The Postman, Waterworld and Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves.

For me, he is one of those actors that I might actually NOT see a movie because he is in it. And his "masterpiece" Dances With Wolves? I have no idea why this is so highly acclaimed. It seemed to me an exercise in self indulgence. In fact, I probably point to this particular movie as the milestone that turned me off on him. He has only done two movies since that one that I can honestly say I liked: Open Range and Thirteen Days.

[J.R. Hudson]

(Mumbles under breath)

Great take Blaine !

(LOL)

[Blaine]

I really think Costner may have a chance to redeem himself later in his career when he stops taking himself so seriously, ala William Shatner and Burt Reynolds. :)

[Brandon Rice]

I really think Costner may have a chance to redeem himself later in his career when he stops taking himself so seriously, ala William Shatner and Burt Reynolds. :)

I truly liked him in 13 Days and the Untouchables... but besides those two... he ain't so hot IMO... isn't the world great! We've all got such different perspectives on things! I think it's cool!

[jpeck]

I believe Costner has the ability to put out a great preformance, but what prevents him is that he is a dolt. But he picks terrible characters/movies to play in that mostly deal with the same kind of character/acting. As I said earlier, most of career is a joke. Even his Oscar win for direction is moot considering his other movies(Waterworld, The Postman and Open Range which is a poor "cowboy" movie).

[J.R. Hudson]

I believe Costner has the ability to put out a great preformance, but what prevents him is that he is a dolt. But he picks terrible characters/movies to play in that mostly deal with the same kind of character/acting. As I said earlier, most of career is a joke. Even his Oscar win for direction is moot considering his other movies(Waterworld, The Postman and Open Range which is a poor "cowboy" movie).

You cannot be serious!



That analysis could not be any more wrong. I think you're attempting to spout fact but it's more just an opinion. Where your opinion is rooted in is a mystery though

He's a dolt ? Costner is a stupid man ? What ? Man has written, produced, directed and starred in numerously successful films (Open Range, Thirteen Days, Message in a Bottle, The Postman, Waterworld, Wyatt Earp, The Bodyguard, Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, Dances with Wolves ...)

Starring in these gems:

13 Days *
For Love of the Game
Message in a Bottle
Tin Cup *
The Bodyguard
JFK *
Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves
Dances with Wolves *
Field of Dreams *
Bull Durham *
No Way Out *
The Untouchables *

Now these films listed are generally considered good films. Some might argue even great films *.

This isn't a case of my opinion or your opinion but in general speaking terms; most people tend to consider these cool films. Listing subpar films, B-Movies or early career bit parts won't do any actor justice.




he picks terrible characters/movies to play in that mostly deal with the same kind of character/acting


How's that ?

A baseball player twice ?
A bodyguard
A escaped Con on the run
A federal prosecutor
An FBI law man
An officer in the Union Calvary
A Russian agent
A Mariner in a post apacalyptic world
A golf pro
A yacht builder widower
Robin 'effin' Hood
a bicycle athlete
Kenny 'effin' O'Donnell
an Elvis impersonator (Criminal)
a cowboy

Terrible characters to play, hmmm ? The same kind of acting ?



As I said earlier, most of career is a joke.


Yes, the One and half Billon dollars in Box Office he has garnered supports this notion.


Even his Oscar win for direction is moot considering his other movies(Waterworld, The Postman and Open Range which is a poor "cowboy" movie).

His Oscar for direction is moot ? Waterworld and Postman I can see as considerable bombs (I like them) but Open Range ? Did you even watch it ?

That's one of the best cowboy movies ever made. The gunfight alone in the end is probably the best Cowboy shootout ever made. 12,000 people on IMDB give it an average 7.5. Hell, even RT gives it a 79% from its critic base.

See, whether or not you like him or the films; those are opinions. Saying he is a dolt or has a joke of a career is not only not an opinion but is plain wrong.

[The Machinist]

That's one of the best cowboy movies ever made. The gunfight alone in the end is probably the best Cowboy shootout ever made. 12,000 people on IMDB give it an average 7.5. Hell, even RT gives it a 79% from its critic base.

Open Range just made it to the top of my Netflix Queue.

Thanks Hudson.

[Brandon Rice]

Getting back to the Untouchables.. those of you who have seen it know the part where Costner throws the guy off the building (toward the end)... my friend Matt Derr's late father Joe Gilbride was the stuntman who made that high-fall... Matt's brother Kevin is also a stuntman and he's done a lot of work as well.

[J.R. Hudson]

Open Range just made it to the top of my Netflix Queue.

Thanks Hudson.

Dude

You'll love it.

It does to the Cowboy gun fight what Private Ryan did to the Combat scene

[jpeck]

Of course its my opinion, just as yours is yours.

The fact is, he has been in more crap then quality in the last 15 years. I was going to make the quality review mark at 7.5 on IMDB but saw he only had two movies so I changed my mark to 7. Being as this is a matter of opinion, lets consult the opinions of all those who took their time to post on IMDB.

Quality
Open Range - 7.5
13 Days - 7.3
The Upside of Anger - 7.1
JFK 7.9
A Perfect World

Crap
Rumor has it - 5.5
Dragonfly - 5.7
3000 Miles to Graceland - 5.3
For Love of the Game - 6.3
Message in a Bottle - 5.4
The Postman - 5.2
Tin Cup - 6.1
Waterworld - 5.4
The Bodyguard - 5.3
Robin Hood Prince of Thieves 6.5


Now for somebody who has a easy pick of movies and roles he wants to do, those are some pretty shoddy scores. Not to mention he is suppose to be some great actor, didn't notice too many great preformances there either. Not to mention, just because a movie scores well, doesn't mean an actors preformance matches the quality of the film. Nor the opposite, but I didn't see any quality acting in any of the "crap" movies.

I guess Open Range would be good if I never saw a decent western in my life. This again is just my opinion. Compare it to TBTGATU or OUATITW or The Wild Bunch or Unforgiven or The Magnificent Seven or The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance or the great Treasure of the Sierra Madre and it really does not hold up to these imo.

Its all good his(Costner) films may be considered cool or they have a really great scene in it, but that doesn't make up for the fact most of his movies are not that great nor even mostly good. Plus his acting leaves much to be desired.

[Blaine]

Your list is a little misleading since your cherry picking left off The Untouchables (7.9) and <even thought I hated it> Dances With Wolves (7.8) and A Perfect World (7.0).

Don't get me wrong...I'm not a Costner fan, just the opposite. But I want to see a little "truth in advertising"

[jpeck]

Not really, since I was talking about movies made within the last 15 years. Plus if we want to go further back we can include his early movies he starred in which will add more to the crap list. If anything we can add Dances With Wolves. Not to mention my whole arguement is that his earlier works do not make up for where he is as an actor currently.

EDIT: A Perfect World was left off in error.

[J.R. Hudson]

Some amending

I gotta assume a 6 and over is considered comendable being no one is hitting a homerun each time up to the plate, right ? Other films in the 6 Range are:

http://www.imdb.com/List?ratings=6#more

I would strongly defend a 6 would not be cosidered shi*e. It isn't the top of the heap but it surely isn't the bottom and is indeed above the average that is 5.

I also noticed your casual omission of No Way Out, The Untouchables, Dances With Wolves, Bull Durham, Field of Dreams and A Perfect World (why would you omit his best works ? To suit your needs?)


Quality
Open Range - 7.5
13 Days - 7.3
The Upside of Anger - 7.1
JFK 7.9
No Way Out - 6.9
Tin Cup - 6.1
Robin Hood Prince of Thieves 6.5
The Untouchables - 7.9
Bull Durham - 7.1
Field of Dreams - 7.6
A Perfect World - 7.0
For Love of the Game - 6.1


Crap
Rumor has it - 5.5
Dragonfly - 5.7
3000 Miles to Graceland - 5.3
Message in a Bottle - 5.4
The Postman - 5.2
Waterworld - 5.4
The Bodyguard - 5.3

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That being said; take a look at any Top Actor/Directors resume and see how many outright successes they have on the list. It's a bit skewed I'd say, to take this approach.

A man doesn't bring over a billion dollars in box office being a hack.

EDIT

And please with your 15 year rule. It's convenient to knock off the years 1987 to 1990 isn't it ?

[jpeck]

It is my whole arguement, those earlier movies do not make him great because of his 15 year stint of mostly crap.

Its like saying somebody is a good spouse because for the first few years they were the greatest and for the last 15 they have been abusive. Early greatness does not make up for the crap he has done since, especially with the "star power" he has/had.

EDIT: Not to mention, he is being considered a good if not great actor by some, wouldnt that dictate a good or great score? Instead we see a bunch of six and sevens. And this is not a 5 and over equals good, most would agree Waterworld and The Postman are absolute crap, being in the 5s, would that make 6s next to crap?

[Blaine]

It is my whole arguement, those earlier movies do not make him great because of his 15 year stint of mostly crap..
I guess that pretty much makes Brando a POS.:Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

[J.R. Hudson]

It is my whole arguement

You are correct. It is yours.

[J.R. Hudson]

I guess that pretty much makes Brando a POS.:Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

That's what I was thinking. :nads:

[jpeck]

Brando in his early years was one of the greatest actors of all time, with some of the most memorable preformances ever. But one cant help but feel that during the end of his career he lost it, he was not the same Brando from the Godfather. Can somebody defend that he was a great actor throughout his whole career because of his early work? No.

However we can looking only at his early work say that during those years he was on top.

EDIT: All people will have bouts with greatness and dissapointment in the film industry. Take a look at Kurosawa, one of the greatest most influential men in the film industry, he nearly killed himself because of the stint of critical failures he went through, however he was not consumed with failure and continued to make great works after that, rivalling even his greatest of films.

[jpeck]

You are correct. It is yours.
Just as yours is yours. This post does nothing to add to the topic at all.

EDIT: Thought I would make mine as artistic as yours. <3

[J.R. Hudson]

The Godfather was the end of his career (As was Apacalypse Now.)

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Anyways. This isn't about Brando (although funny point). You don't like Costner. Cool. That is your opinion. But, the facts are what they are and it seems many would disagree with you.

I love Costner. This is merely my opinion.

[Blaine]

I love Costner. This is merely my opinion.
I can respect that. I don't agree with it, but I respect it. :beer:

Your challenge to explain why I didn't like Costner made me think seriously about it. And that's a good thing. It didn't change my feeling about him but at least now I have a better understanding why I feel that way I do, instead of just some vague feeling like: "Don't like him, don't know why, just don't" :)

[J.R. Hudson]

Just as yours is yours. This does nothing to add to the topic at all.

EDIT: Thought I would make mine as artistic as yours. <3

Oh yes it does.

That was a polite way of me telling you your use of facts and the method in which you choose to make examples seem skewed to serve your point. You seem to negate the real jist.

You're making an argument that 2 + 2 = 3. I suppose it does if you omit 1.

Again, you don't like him. Rock on, I can dig it. I don't like Brad Pitt (I am in the minority on that)

(Using advanced editing is fun, isn't it?)

[jpeck]

The Godfather was the end of his career (As was Apacalypse Now.)
Maybe we should conclude that Dances With Wolves was the end of Costners?



John_Hudson(Using advanced editing is fun, isn't it?)

Indeed. <3

[J.R. Hudson]

Maybe we should conclude that Dances With Wolves was the end of Costners?




Indeed. <3

Why ? He was 35. :undecided

[J.R. Hudson]

I can respect that. I don't agree with it, but I respect it. :beer:

Your challenge to explain why I didn't like Costner made me think seriously about it. And that's a good thing. It didn't change my feeling about him but at least now I have a better understanding why I feel that way I do, instead of just some vague feeling like: "Don't like him, don't know why, just don't" :)

Thanks Blaine

I agree; simply stating 'he's a lamer' or 'his films suck' doesn't do us any justice in the forum. I like trying to find quantative measures in which to base our opinions and arguments. (And that includes all of the facts, not just the ones that serve our side of the coin.)

[jpeck]

Now age matters, along with money and oscars won for direction?

John I will cut you!!!!!!!!!

[J.R. Hudson]

Now age matters, along with money and oscars won for direction?

John I will cut you!!!!!!!!!

WTF ? What just happended ?

(Alright show's over)

[Brandon Rice]

GOSH! Why the heck do why have to argue about a completely subjective thing... I'll agree that Costner has raked in plenty of green and has had many succesful movies... I'm not a fan, John is... great... can't we all just get along?

[J.R. Hudson]

We're not arguing ! Just exchanging our passions (In a non-gay way)

Not that theres anything wrong with that.

[Blaine]

can't we all just get along?
Kumbaya

[Brandon Rice]

We're not arguing ! Just exchanging our passions (In a non-gay way)


I would agree it's not an argument as you're stating your subjective opinions... I just think it's silly... as the other dude is calling Costner a loser... if he doesn't like him, fine, but don't call the guy a loser.

[Blaine]

if he doesn't like him, fine, but don't call the guy a loser.
You would prefer, perhaps, DWE? :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

[Brandon Rice]

what does that mean?

[J.R. Hudson]

........................... Lol

[jpeck]

We're not arguing ! Just exchanging our passions (In a non-gay way)

Not that theres anything wrong with that.

queue the brokeback theme song

[Brandon Rice]

........................... Lol
????:huh:

[jpeck]

I would agree it's not an argument as you're stating your subjective opinions... I just think it's silly... as the other dude is calling Costner a loser... if he doesn't like him, fine, but don't call the guy a loser.
A loser? Actually as a person I respect Costner, as he states his goal is to make movies for the people paying for the tickets, not for the critics. Take what he says any way he you want.

I think for a man with the clout he had during the early 90s, he made some pretty bad mistakes, as I said he could have picked up some great roles without a problem, but instead he picked his roles for the people paying for the tickets. Kind of a Catch-22 on my part, love his goal, hate the end product.

[jpeck]

As for people thinking this is going to turn into a heated cat fight or whatever, you need not worry. I never take anything personally, especially when it comes to opinions.

As much as Hudson and I may disagree about Costner, I am sure we have very similar tastes in many of our favourite movies and actors from reading his other posts.


Unless he likes Boondock Saints or Sam Jackson.
:kali:

[Blaine]

Unless he likes Boondock Saints or Sam Jackson.
:kali:
Aw, shit. Here we go again. What's wrong with Sam? There's not too many out there cooler than Jules.

[J.R. Hudson]

I love Sam Jackson but found Boondock Saints to be highly overrated.

-

[Brandon Rice]

I love Sam.... he's great!

[jpeck]

One Role to rule them all...

I love the man in Pulp, but hate him in everything else, not because of how good he is in PF, but because how bad he is elsewhere. No point of even going into this. I am def in the minority on this one.

/runsawayinfear

[Brandon Rice]

Dude, did you see Basic? I loved that movie.

[jpeck]

Thats with Travolta? Don't even get me started on Travolta.

I love those two in PF, hate them else where.

[Blaine]

One Role to rule them all...not because of how good he is in PF, but because how bad he is elsewhere. No point of even going into this. I am def in the minority on this one.

/runsawayinfear

Pulp Fiction
Coach Carter
Unbreakable
The Negotiator
Jackie "fucking" Brown
A Time to Kill
and even The Red Violin
(to name a few):)

[jpeck]

Unbreakable.... really?

/sigh

[Brandon Rice]

Love it!

[Blaine]

Unbreakable.... really?

/sigh
It was my least favorite of M. Night's movies but I still liked it and I have a hard time picturing someone else in the part.

[ZFarms Productions]

and dont forget Samuel L. Jackson in Snakes On A Plane!

[Brandon Rice]

and dont forget Samuel L. Jackson in Snakes On A Plane!

WORD!

[Duct Tape Films]

A ton of people dog on Kevin

I love him

Fandango, Silverado, America Flyers, (Even that Amazing Stories episode), in fact

His entire career

Why? No one can ever say why.


Ten page long thread - did anyone mention JFK? Methinks it's Kev's best performance.

[J.R. Hudson]

I thought I did. 13 Days as well.

Shiiet; gonna get me started all over again.

[Pen Cap Chew]

I thought he did a good job in A Perfect World. I think he's perceived as having a big ego and so people like to see big egos fail spectacularly (as in Waterworld and The Postman). I think he's a decent actor. Not much range but he can hold a movie if he picks the right scripts. I think by far his worst movie (shockingly bad!) is 3000 Miles to Graceland. What was he thinking? Maybe he should get shock treatment. :eek: