Vegas 7 in Sept.

[PainTed]

http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/products/vegas-cs.asp

[Jason Ramsey]

i'll crap my pants if it actually supports the panny formats. But i don't think i will have any thing to worry about. (crapping my pants that is) But I will keep some t.p. nearby just in case. It would be worth it.
jason

[azboy1985]

Who thinks Vegas 7 is going to support HVX200????

[AdvanTech]

Can't WAIT!

[Barry_Green]

If Vegas 7 has native, proper support for the HVX (meaning no intermediary codecs, direct import of MXF files, drag 'n' drop MXFs to the timelines, ability to capture live streaming footage through firewire, edit from the cards or edit from footage that's been copied to hard disk, and ability to export MXFs back to the cards or to hard disk "virtual card") then I will personally buy a Vegas 7 upgrade for the first person who brings me that news. Whoever sends me that official-announcement PM first, man, it's yours.

I personally don't think there's more than a snowball's chance that it will include any of those upgrades, I just don't see it happening -- I think Vegas 7 will be all about AVC-HD. But if they surprise me and include HVX support that will be the nicest surprise all year.

[Jason Ramsey]

apparently, (according to another site) the following information was originally up on the same link provided here. It has since been removed. At least all I saw on the link was an email notification and announcement. Again, I cannot verify this as it is second hand but the following information was apparently provided on the original link provided above as a review of vegas 7. Sony, sony, sony....:furious3: :crybaby:

they must have taken them down:

Vegas 7
New! Comprehensive XDCAM SD/HD support
New! Improved HDV playback performance
New! Enhanced hardware support for Blackmagic Design DeckLink™ and AJA
New! Improved workflow tools
New! Sony DVD 5.1 camera support
New! Cinescore software plug-in support
New! Enhanced HDV, SD/HD-SDI support
New! Enhanced video monitoring
New! Direct export to Sony® PSP® (PlayStation®Portable)
New! Render to iPod®-compatible formats

DVD Architect 4
New! Scripting support
New! Random playlist playback
New! Parental control
New! Keyframeable transformations, crop, and effects
New! Graphical subtitles
New! Buttons on video
New! 4:3 and 16:9 preview settings


Jason

[donkathon]

Oh my god oh my god oh my god!

Better have multi cam...
and a better color corrector.

[Drew Ott]

Yeah multicam is a must.

[vegas06]

Oh my god oh my god oh my god!

Better have multi cam...
and a better color corrector.
Actually you can get a very comprehensive multi cam plug ins for Vegas already.

Check out Excalibur,
http://www.classondemand.net/classondemand/vegas-training/excalibur.aspx

or

UltimateS from VASST.
http://vasst.com/product.aspx?id=c8cec3c4-7ec3-43db-8d32-f703f5050400

Both are much more than just multi cam plugins,a nd are scripted just for Sony Vegas.

[MovieSwede]

apparently, (according to another site) the following information was originally up on the same link provided here. It has since been removed. At least all I saw on the link was an email notification and announcement. Again, I cannot verify this as it is second hand but the following information was apparently provided on the original link provided above as a review of vegas 7. Sony, sony, sony....:furious3: :crybaby:

they must have taken them down:

Vegas 7
New! Comprehensive XDCAM SD/HD support
New! Improved HDV playback performance
New! Enhanced hardware support for Blackmagic Design DeckLink™ and AJA
New! Improved workflow tools
New! Sony DVD 5.1 camera support
New! Cinescore software plug-in support
New! Enhanced HDV, SD/HD-SDI support
New! Enhanced video monitoring
New! Direct export to Sony® PSP® (PlayStation®Portable)
New! Render to iPod®-compatible formats

DVD Architect 4
New! Scripting support
New! Random playlist playback
New! Parental control
New! Keyframeable transformations, crop, and effects
New! Graphical subtitles
New! Buttons on video
New! 4:3 and 16:9 preview settings


Jason

Is it just me or do you think Sony deserved the battery recall. ;)

Can they make a universal editor??? That can handles other brands.

[smithy]

I think they just alienated everyone if this is true..Let's give our thoughts and write to them in JAPANESE..then maybe they will wakeup (OKIRU) and realize that they have a chance of overcome all the other NLE's in one good upgrade. I hope this is not coming from JAPAN...since they are cutting their stomachs open with this lame upgrade. (SEMBUKU)

[glenn chan]

Vegas is developed by American progammers... in Madison I believe? They should be mostly be the same people from Sonic Foundry, before Sofo sold their programs to Sony.

2- Sony is a large conglomerate of many divisions, which don't necessarily talk to each other. That's why you see Sony laptops bundled with Adobe Premiere and things like that. Or why the Z1 didn't get bundled with a Sony Vegas demo CD (and still doesn't???).

So, write to Sony Media Software in English. Or go to their product suggestion page. You can also wait till the upgrade comes out first.

[tony404]

Not worth upgrading, when are they going to wake up about the piss poor titling.

[Ed Kishel]

Vegas upgrades are like Star Trek movies- the best ones end in an even number.

Vegas 2
Vegas 4
Vegas 6

all significant upgrades

Now Vegas 3, 5 (and perhaps 7.... direct export to PSP??? oh thank GOD :grin:) not much was added. So I predict Vegas 8 will be the biggie (if Sony doesnt go belly up with the PS3 fiasco)

[HorseFilms]

Vegas upgrades are like Star Trek movies- the best ones end in an even number.

Vegas 2
Vegas 4
Vegas 6


That's so true. Khaaaan!:Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

[David Jimerson]

Vegas upgrades are like Star Trek movies- the best ones end in an even number.

Vegas 2
Vegas 4
Vegas 6

all significant upgrades

Now Vegas 3, 5 (and perhaps 7.... direct export to PSP??? oh thank GOD :grin:) not much was added. So I predict Vegas 8 will be the biggie (if Sony doesnt go belly up with the PS3 fiasco)

Not so; Vegas 5 was a MAJOR upgrade over Vegas 4. It was Vegas 6 which wasn't, comparatively speaking, that much of an advance.

[Blaine]

David's back from the honeymoon. :)

Congrats, David...:thumbsup:

9999 and holding...:Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

[donkathon]

This is hilarious- all us Vegas nerds getting excited over an upcoming release.

And its great to see David Jimerson back.

And David, any idea if Vegas 7 will support Multi-Cam? You'd be the one to know.

[jeditdv]

any idea if Vegas 7 will support Multi-Cam? You'd be the one to know.

Vegas 4, 5, and 6 have ALL supported multi-cam direct on the timeline. That was already mentioned in an earlier post.

[roxics]

This is too bad, but who didn't guess they wouldn't support the panny formats? They are sony afterall, king of proprietary.

I'm kind of surprised to see ipod support.

[donkathon]

Vegas 4, 5, and 6 have ALL supported multi-cam direct on the timeline. That was already mentioned in an earlier post.

Sorry- I meant better multicam, cause I hate the way it is now.

[jgastelb]

Vegas 4, 5, and 6 have ALL supported multi-cam direct on the timeline. That was already mentioned in an earlier post.

Well... Yes. Supprts it if you pay $100-150 in plug-ins but I think it should just come included with the software. IMHO.
Jgastelb

[MisterCat]

Well... Yes. Supprts it if you pay $100-150 in plug-ins but I think it should just come included with the software. IMHO.
Jgastelb

Well said. Nothing against Ed or Spot but this functionality should be in the software, not something to buy or script later.

And I'm not as worried about what's in Vegas upgrade but DVDA. There's some things there they really need to look into.

[MovieSwede]

If the the editor is good from start the lesser the uppgrade need to be.

So if Vegas 5 was the last big uppgrade there would basicly dont be such big need foor a major uppgrade.

Of course the lack of HVX200 support is a disgrace of Vegas.

[Mark Dog]

here somthing on vegas 7 Barry say it wil lcapyure mxf files so do i get my free Vegas 7 Barry ????


http://dv411.com/vegasvideo1.html

[HorseFilms]

here somthing on vegas 7 Barry say it wil lcapyure mxf files so do i get my free Vegas 7 Barry ????


http://dv411.com/vegasvideo1.html

I believe they're talking about a different format from the HVX MXF files.

[Barry_Green]

Yes, looks like they specifically only support the Sony-only version of MXF. Look at the bottom of this page where it references file formats that are supported:
http://dv411.com/vegas7.html

You'll see where it shows the file formats, and the only reference to MXF that they make is for "Sony MXF".

Like No Other. Once again.

But hey, if you need to output directly to a Playstation Portable, or you're working with that oh-so-popular ATRAC 3 format, well, they've got you covered.

Sigh. No support for HVX whatsoever.

[vidled]

But hey, if you need to output directly to a Playstation Portable, <snip>, well, they've got you covered.

Yes, this actually has me a little worried. It's not a nice path they are going down. And I've seen the demise of another VERY good NLE when it was sold to a bigger company. The similarities are all-so-similar. Let's just hope Vegas does NOT suffer the same fate!

[Jason Ramsey]

THEY WILL. suffer the same fate that is. Everything is pointing that way. Sony has taken Vegas away from what made it such a great option, imo, to begin with. They might as well bundle it with all sony cam's and get it over with. And say goodbye to the majority of the rest of their customers. I think people are only going to be willing to go with 3rd party plugins and other workarounds for so long. Vegas spoiled nle users, and eventually they will get their butter from another nle. Why should I reward Vegas for their "marketing strategy"?
Jason
p.s. I am still holding my breath waitin' to hear what Barry was talking about with this "new" 3rd party thing for vegas, but barring me being able to drop p2 straight on the timeline and edit multicam, it probably ain't happening.

[Barry_Green]

They might as well bundle it with all sony cam's and get it over with.
http://www.rebate-zone.com/CurrentRebates.asp

Sony's already giving away Vegas 6 with the Z1...



p.s. I am still holding my breath waitin' to hear what Barry was talking about with this "new" 3rd party thing for vegas, but barring me being able to drop p2 straight on the timeline and edit multicam, it probably ain't happening.
It won't likely ever be that. It's something else, along the lines of Raylight.

If you want to drop HD P2 files straight on the timeline, the way it's meant to be done, EDIUS is the only option right now.

[Jason Ramsey]

And that is why edius is 99 percent for sure going to get my business :)

[Ramon Boutviseth]

sighs* im gonna miss vegas

[Jason Ramsey]

Me too. But the more I am screwing with the trial of Edius, the less I am missing Vegas. It'll work I think (with a few add-ons).

[Barry_Green]

Here's my only potential worry about EDIUS: they were just bought by Thomson Grass Valley.

Will we see a repeat of history here? Will EDIUS start to support only Thomson Infinity product, and not support other manufacturers? I don't expect it to happen, I mean, EDIUS is about the only one out there with full native JVC HDV 24p support, full native Canon 1080/24F support, full proper P2/MXF support, end-to-end XDCAM HD support... the EDIUS guys seem very, very platform-agnostic right now. I really hope it can stay that way!

[vidled]

Sony's already giving away Vegas 6 with the Z1...


Oh, my GIDDY AUNT!!!!
:-Mad(DBG):

Unbelievable!

[Jason Ramsey]

God, I hope so. I was posting the other day about the parallels of Vegas and Edius. Predicting (hopefuly) that Edius could not only become a "complete" well rounded package in versions 5 and 6 and beyond but likely will experience larger market penetration, particularly with broadcast stations. It seems really well suited for that arena already.
Jason

[greg121]

Time for me to learn Edius... what a shame.

[Ed Kishel]

it will be a year or two before I move to HD since this is mostly a hobby for me. By then I hope there will be much better cameras out there, or a HVX100A. And by that time I hope Vegas will move to support other codecs. They cant seem to learn from the mistakes of their "proprietary past".

[JitCam]

lets hope John Vegas does his homework and include some hard core hvx support ..

[JitCam]

3 upgrades i would love to see...

1) full native mfx support .. all reses

2) being able to export a project into afterFX

3) More support for 3rd party plugins

is that too much to ask? :P

[Jason Ramsey]

hvx support aint gonna happen.

[redindian]

Its official -
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-07-2006/0004428083&EDATE=

[Jason Ramsey]

Yep, that is at the bottom of the homepage here too. And with that, it is official that Vegas 7 won't be supporting the HVX. I wasn't holding my breath though. Well... Maybe just a little. Ah, well. I'm over it. Only one more announcement I am waiting for, and that is the 3rd party program Barry was talking about last week or so.
Jason

[drdobs]

For all the Sony Vegas 7 features, go to this link and scroll down to near the very bottom..

http://www.videoguys.com/vegasvideo.html#vegas7

Jon

[Jason Ramsey]

well, it has multicam. That is cool, I have to say.
Jason

[XCheck]

No MXF (non-Sony proprietary), no Blue-Ray authoring? What were they thinking?

Speaking of which - how does one author for Blue-Ray? Does anyone know?

[Jason Ramsey]

Sonic has a program called scenarist (?) that I believe will allow you to author blu ray and hd-dvd. It's a big dog program though that requires a hell of a system. I don't even know anything about it. Just heard that it does it.
Ulead's DVD movie studio 5 plus will let you do blu ray, but it seems like it is more for archiving. Meaning it will let you capture some hi def formats (mainly hdv) and direct burn it. I haven't really looked into the whole hi def authoring thing though, but maybe this will help
Jason

*you can write data of any kind to blu ray discs with uleads software, but I think they are also ditching blu ray support, so version 5 plus might be the only version you can get that does it.*

[DVXSanDiego]

YYeah, Scenarist is in the tens of thousands, I believe. It makes me crazy, as a major push by Sony to Vegas could easily set them up as the PC alternative to the creative megalith that is Apple / FCP.

[Jason Ramsey]

If only... if only.... I give up on Vegas, and as soon as I get my new equipment I am selling my old dcr-trv950. :)
Jason

[OldCorpse]

It makes me crazy, as a major push by Sony to Vegas could easily set them up as the PC alternative to the creative megalith that is Apple / FCP.

Yup. I'm an FCP man, but I also believe competition is always good. I mean, there are things in FCP that I'm not happy about, and that are better done in Vegas. In fact there are many things in Vegas far superior to FCP (sound editing, for one), and in general, Vegas is a more intuitive and I daresay a more efficient editing platform (fewer clicks, fewer movements in Vegas to accomplish the same thing in FCP).

Why Sony would want to take Vegas near parity to FCP in most features, and actual superiority in some aspects, and go ahead and commit suicide vs FCP, I just don't understand. It's a no-brainer. Windows the dominant OS market share, so a great intuitive and powerful editing program that runs on Windows (and is cheaper than Avid), should clean up against FCP. After all, to work with FCP, you need to buy a whole new platform in hardware and software and workflow adjustment. Most people have Windows experience and hardware, and should have a much easier time (and it would be cheaper) to stay with the Windows OS platform. Vegas should clean up.

Now, if Sony would really go all out and make Vegas the best editing suite there is, I'm quite sure that in time, they'd take away FCP's current dominance in the editing world. And that would be good for FCP too, as Apple would need to compete - the ultimate winner is the consumer.

And I say that as an Apple user, and FCP user... though in the end, to me the OS is not that religious.... it's just a tool... but the bottom line is that Sony is being shortsighted here, IMHO. What a missed opportunity...

[smithy]

With all this "should have did this or that" who says they won't come out with a 7A or 7b etc... later on down the line maybe like they did with Vegas 6.0. Maybe they will put in the support. I'm sure they are listening but right now the only cameras that have a hard time with this is the Panasonic owners, mainly the HVX. There is not problems with JVC, Canon or of course Sony owners. Just because they choose to use the pany format vs the HDV that the other cameras use. 3 out of 4 is better to satisfy than one share of the market. You don't hear people that own those cameras complain about Vegas. Personally I would rather use Vegas than to deal with AVID,Premiere or change to FCP. Besides you can use the workarounds to convert those files to get what you want anyways (raylight). It all about business. I own a DVX and I'm getting the HD Canon next. And I will continue to use Vegas without the headaches of crashes and lost time and data.