Gunblasts in AE

[CookFX Productions]

I've tried some old fashioned 8mm tricks with camera's, and also sizing down a few bursts of flame, but I'm not getting the right look or feel. Does anyone know of a good tutorial on how to make gun blasts? All I use is painted air soft guns and you cant tell the difference once you add the sound but if you don't have the muzzle blast some times it tends to look bad.

Brian "sinister" Cook

[zakaree]

remember.. not all guns have a muzzle flash (unless ur looking directly into the barrel.. i have a springfield xd9 9mm and i never notice muzzle flash when im shooting. although if your trying to mimic a 44 or 45 or 357 then yah..

[Huy Vu]

You can do a search for muzzle flash graphic online (they're basically just pre-key stills of gun flash), or just pm me and I'll send you some. The actual "look" of the flash doesn't matter, because if you freeze frame on one then all muzzle flashes looks incredibly fake. The trick is the duration of the flash itself, which has to be very short, usually a split second so that the audience doesn't have time to look too closely at it. Practice with keyframing and get the timing right, then it'll look real.

[AndrewKramer]

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Glock 21
Baretta 9mm
Shotgun

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[CookFX Productions]

I can see where I've been going wrong, and what I can do to correct it. Jade you were right in what you said about it can look fake the demo's that i watched on a website if i can find the caliber of gun fire in a picture, and then take that, i shouldnt have a problem if i keyframe it out from there and add some barrel smoke. You guys are great help. I have been looking for a place to call home for my film ponderings and i think i might have found it.

Brian "Sinister" Cook

[greeches]

ANdrew's action movie essentials will cover you in terms of muzzle flashes.

[Matt Grunau]

Muzzle flashes are incredibly easy to draw in Photoshop and composite in AE. One frame only usually. Just remember to also give some highlights to the surroundings closest to and facing the illumination of the shot.

[CookFX Productions]

I looked at andrew action movie essentials, and watched a preview to the tutorial dvd, and it showed a little how to draw it out, but color it and so on, I mean i've fired a 9 mm and thats about it and I didnt have my face at the end of the barrel to see what the blast look like, i know your talking orange/yellow/whites/even a little blue, im guessing but shading all that, in is what im curios about. And I want the double set of dvd's andrew mentioned has anyone picked those up?

[J.R. Hudson]

Try this nice link but I'd suggest using a flash for only 1 frame and making sure it has some transperency.

http://www.detonationfilms.com/free_stuff.htm

[Huy Vu]

And I want the double set of dvd's andrew mentioned has anyone picked those up?

Yeah, I got them and they're great. The tutorial really helped me understand AE a lot better and I especially love the blood burst on the Action Essential disk.

[RWM]

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Greeting,
Ruediger

[CookFX Productions]

OK, So I'm the type of person who has always done things different and thanks john for the free page because it made see something on how they do there barrel flashes, or the trick, I think, it looks like a blow torch on a black background, so im going to experiment with mine and see how that works out. And if it does i'll post it for sure, and Jade those blood composites are great I want them for exit wounds, but I use compressed air 150+ pounds of pressure, a home made vest with different size tubes, not very big with valves in that hook up to some other home made specialty's and I have a blood fest with out the computer and it sprays more I love that effects, messy and a little hard to clean up at time but I like it. I like combining old fashioned special fx with what im slowly learning with visual FX and motion graphics. I'd know more but my school closed. But doesn't keep a determined fulltime worker from spending his whole life savings an an AG-DVX100A, and G5 Powermac quad-core, It was worth it after losing 2 years of school.

[AndrewKramer]

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[greeches]

I got the double set. I'm new to AE and I think they are great. Highly recommended....

[RWM]

@AndrewKramer

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[Justin_Kirch]

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[AndrewKramer]

Thanks guys,
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Cheers,
Andrew

[GageFX]

remember.. not all guns have a muzzle flash (unless ur looking directly into the barrel.. i have a springfield xd9 9mm and i never notice muzzle flash when im shooting. although if your trying to mimic a 44 or 45 or 357 then yah..

I wouldn't say this is true. It's just that you might not notice it while shooting in certain light (you're concentrating on the target) and even that the flash itself might just be less noticable to anyone in that lighting. I find it makes sense to match the muzzle flash to the TOD and environment. If your characters are shooting in a dark room with little to no ambient light, you will not only want strong muzzle flashes, but you want those muzzle flashes to effect the environment around the room. I would use either camera mounted strobes or studio strobes facing the actors to get the lighting effect and then composite strong muzzle flashes in post.

Outside, midday, during the summer, the muzzle flashes would be much less noticable and the flash wouldnt affect the lighting of the environment. I would insert a muzzle flash, but would make it almost entirely transparent.

There is a thread regarding muzzle flashes in the SFX section. Here are a couple still I posted, taken from 24p DVX footage of a couple guns being shot in bright sunlight, midday.

HK P2ooosk (40cal)
http://www.pbase.com/gagefx/image/61010466.jpg

Sig 239 (I think) (9mm)
http://www.pbase.com/gagefx/image/61010813.jpg

I have some indoor HK MP5 9mm footage I've been promising but I have a boatload on my table right now.

Hope this helps.

-GageFX

[RWM]

Got my Action Movie Essentials now from from Andrew Kramer's www.videocopilot.net and they are perfect! Andrew is a very kind and helpful person. Thanks a lot Andrew (also for the extras!!!).

Ruediger

[AndrewKramer]

No problem! Glad you enjoy them.

Thanks,
Andrew

[GageFX]

Andrew... another order will be coming.

I'm actually gonna get 3 of them. Can we talk about pricing?

-GageFX

[GageFX]

Sorry. Also, I guess I missed John's post about only having the flash for a single frame. In my 24p tests at the range, the flash was indeed only a single frame. Not that he needed me to back him up.

-GageFX

[Bayne]

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Andrew

Dammit i wish i would have seen this before i bought the set.....

[Mark Harris]

Rehashing an old thread that seems to be along the lines of what I need.

I need to get some matted smoke to curl out of a shotgun barrel AFTER the shot. I do not care about muzzle flashes and the like. I have Riot Gear which has a lot of curly ink stuff to work with, but it's all kind of too big without masking. It CAN work. But I would like to find something closer.

I looked at the gallery for action movie essentials and did not see what I needed.

Anyone know where I can get some pre-matted SMALL smoke curls like what would come out of a shotgun?

[tcindie]

I was working on a short film several years ago that was going for the same effect, we just blew smoke through the barrel, since only the muzzle end was in the shot. It looked great. :)

[Mark Harris]

Yeah, we set up to do the same. but ran out of time and did not get it on set. Thus doing it now in post.

Pretty sure I got it worked out. Looking good.

[ecking]

Mark, how did the end result look?

[Mark Harris]

I don't want to reveal the whole scene, but here is how the smoke and shotgun came out:

http://www.desperatecomfort.com/working/timefest/shotgun_smoke_cu.jpg

That is the actual section of the shot. the gun is out of focus because it is in the foreground of the shot.

I wound up using the Riot Gear ink stuff. Then I cced it. Then masked it, and finally laid a second layer of the shot over, and masked out all but the gun barrel.