HD-SDI external recorder device?

[Emanuel]

We don't need for an uncompressed HD recording, a real portable 10-bit Cineform option would be enough. If there is already one solution with the Mini Silicon Imaging cam, can we have a similar solution from there, David?

[David Newman]

Maybe soon. What is missing is a HDSDI capture solution for PCExpress (the new laptop PC-Card format.) Then you would be about to capture CineForm 10-bit to a very fast laptop (maybe a Merom 2.33Ghz system.) We are looking into it. SI uses gigE so that doesn't need HDSDI.

[Nik Manning]

Kind of portable laptop solution for Canon hdv cams.
http://www.redhawk-development.com/hd_sdi_capture.htm

[Emanuel]

What is missing is a HDSDI capture solution for PCExpress (the new laptop PC-Card format.)Like this one?
http://www.vydeo.com/products/EC34.html

[David Newman]

Nik,

you are missing the point, the laptop is not all that portable if it requires a 60 pound hardware encoder. We are taking 10-bit HD ingest with the laptop alone.

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Emanuel,

Yes, that is the type of device we are waiting on. However, they haven't responsed to our inquiries so I don't know how soon that product will be available.

[Emanuel]

OK I'll be waiting... Your product is the best indie offer, David. I can tell you, I've been showing your product to every european moviemaker that I know and ALL are very impressive with your superior codec features and workflow. Specially format agnostic but at same time in every fronts. You'll have a lot of customers around the corner.

[Nik Manning]

You know I thought that was a external hardrive they used to store the video.

[David Newman]

No pictured is Avid Adrenaline with a hardware acceleration for the compressor, much more than a drive enclosure. CineForm Intermediate is significantly faster, so it doesn't require expensive hardware.

[stephenlnoe]

David is right, that is an Adrenalin with the HD board in it (very costly).

[Robert Sanders]

Is Cineform available for the new Intel Mac Pros yet?

[David Newman]

Not yet. It will be all over our site and forum like DVXUser when it is.

[Elton]

David,

Will CineForm implementation with FCP possibly do this trick: ingest HD-SDI H1/G1 24F and remove pulldown?

This would be a compelling feature. (I'm aware that the Wafian does it...I'd just like to see it implemented with the FCP capture window)

[David Newman]

Prospect HD dopes it within Premiere Pro today, so CineForm can do it, we just have to determine if FCP is flexible enough to allow us to do this.

[Robert Sanders]

Mr. Newman,

Are you still targeting Q4 for the Mac version of your software?

[David Newman]

Yes. We going to have Mac versions of CineForm RAW to support the Silicon Imaging camera in Q4, and very likely have CineForm Intermediate running as a compressor/decompressor under QT, but not yet RT with FCP (due issues with FCP, not CineForm.)

[filmmaker1977]

We don't need for an uncompressed HD recording, a real portable 10-bit Cineform option would be enough. If there is already one solution with the Mini Silicon Imaging cam, can we have a similar solution from there, David?great great idea

[filmmaker1977]

any update?

[Darkeyesuk2000]

Mr Newman

what about the pci express card expansion chassis

http://www.mobl.com/expansion/products/pcie_expansion/index.html

Shurely you could hook up a kona card to this bit of kit and off you go portable sdi recording.

If you could get this thing to work with cineform and premiere or fcp you would make a bunddle of cash.
Let me know your thoughts.

[filmmaker1977]

hey people..

i received some amazing info on GREAT news for the next days.. from a trustful source.. stay tuned.. and if you're interested to buy the a1 instead g1 because you're thinking there won't be a better portable solution than hdv, wait and see..

[meta4]

wouldn't this pretty much make the A1 a G1? While saving us 2 grand? Would this not handle 24f?

http://www.aja.com/html/products_converters_HD10AVA.html

If cineform comes out with something and the above product will work, I'll stick with my A1 pre-order and grab one of these and whatever cineform delivers (unless it's crazy expensive, seems like they need to stay under a grand at this point)

Here's to waiting and hoping.

[Darkeyesuk2000]

The problem i have with cineform is that there product does totaly rock, However there pricing is a big noose round my neck.
1st of all the codec is great but if i were to use it i would need one copy for the computer i capture with cos that would either be a laptop when its possibal. Or a semi portable computer, another copy for the computer i use to edit with, and another copy for the guy who does all cgi stuff, thats 2 copys of Prospect.
And get this. Cos of the price of the ingest version i would have to capture raw then convert the footage using the normal version of Prospect. Oh and it gets even better, i would like to shoot 3d soon and that would mean i need two pc`s on set with 2 copys of prospect , cos thereis no way iwill capture raw data with 2 computers side buy side. I hope one day Cineform will give agressive discounts to customers who buy more than one copy of there software.

[AuditoryVisuals]

I emailed Focus Enhancements and asked them if they were ever going to make an HD-SDI FireStore. They said the following:

Currently we do not support SDI with Firestore FS-4 family products. I sent your request to our Firestore product manager. We have received this request before, but the volume of requests helps him to gauge end user interest as we plan future products and features.


They treat me like I didn't know they didn't have an HD-SDI FireStore. So I guess everyone should email them.

[filmmaker1977]

who will announce it he's who we'd like to present the feature and to who we've been asking for..

it'll rock sure it'll rock.. in my humble opinion it'll be so useful for the affordable HD like it has been all the 1/3 cameras we know.. but i'd say still more than that..

amazing days nowadays..

[Elton]

I doubt it would be a converter box, but a laptop SDI card with their software combined with the AJA converter would basically give you the signal the G1 offers, but no timecode, which is fairly important.

[Emanuel]

Barlow, it seems we will know sooner but this is what I'd label as the best nouvelle since the A1/G1 announcement.

[Elton]

I just hope they announce it when it's ready to go. I'm sick of big announcements and long delays.

[Darkeyesuk2000]

who will announce it he's who we'd like to present the feature and to who we've been asking for..

it'll rock sure it'll rock.. in my humble opinion it'll be so useful for the affordable HD like it has been all the 1/3 cameras we know.. but i'd say still more than that..

amazing days nowadays..

Any news filmmaker

[Darkeyesuk2000]

Maybe soon. What is missing is a HDSDI capture solution for PCExpress (the new laptop PC-Card format.) Then you would be about to capture CineForm 10-bit to a very fast laptop (maybe a Merom 2.33Ghz system.) We are looking into it. SI uses gigE so that doesn't need HDSDI.

David i asume you know Scott Billups, Iam not shure if you know him personally or not, but he has had the ability to capture hd on his g4 laptop.
and this is i rekon 2 or 3 years ago.
http://www.pixelmonger.com/article/Krak.pdf
he is using a pinicle systems cinewave HD card on a magma chassis. At the time he was using an external raid, but i rekon with todays technology the sata Raid drives could be enclosed in the magma case. Would love to know your thoughts and any one elses thoughts regarding what scott billups system. and why we cant have some thing similar with todays technology?

[David Newman]

We aren't stop others from experimenting, but for a market appeal a ExpressCard solution would be much cleaner. I'm fairly sure PCI-E extended box would work, but a shuttle PC with a Xena card would be easier.

[Elton]

The ability to capture and encode CineForm with a laptop would have HUGE appeal.

[David Newman]

Yes, of course that is what we are doing with the SI-2K camera today (via GigE.) The issue for these new Canon camera is the need for a small form-factor HDSDI input to go into the laptop. CineForm software would work well once the hardware is available.

[Darkeyesuk2000]

Yes, of course that is what we are doing with the SI-2K camera today (via GigE.) The issue for these new Canon camera is the need for a small form-factor HDSDI input to go into the laptop. CineForm software would work well once the hardware is available.

David you talk about a totaly portable solution, well as far as i know 99% of laptops ,when they are running on there internal batterys actually decrease their cpu clock speed. Now does si 2k capturing system suffer from this problem?

[David Newman]

You can turn that feature off to get the fall performance on a battery operated laptop. We have done this with Dell M90s, you still get over an hour battery life.

[Darkeyesuk2000]

You can turn that feature off to get the fall performance on a battery operated laptop. We have done this with Dell M90s, you still get over an hour battery life.

So i guess the limiting factor now is the battery life? Would not want the laptop powering down in the middle of a Take.

David another thing i wanted to know was regarding Prospect Ingest.
Now would i need to have premiere pro running on my computer to capture footage via sdi or is ingest a seperate program which alows me to capture footage without the need to run premiere?

[David Newman]

Prospect HD is a Premiere acceleration tool that support HDSDI capture and editing. We don't have a standalone HDSDI capture utility that operates outside of Premiere (yet) -- well other than the Wafian HR-1.

[Darkeyesuk2000]

Prospect HD is a Premiere acceleration tool that support HDSDI capture and editing. We don't have a standalone HDSDI capture utility that operates outside of Premiere (yet) -- well other than the Wafian HR-1.

The only reason iam asking is that if some of us wanted to bulid our own hdsdi capture systems, a stand alone capture system would be useful, it means we can use a very small monitor just to keep an eye on the capture process.
Any chance sometime in the future we could have that option. the way i look at it, if you make your software acsessble to the end user as much as possibal, CineForm will have a stronger market share.

[Emanuel]

With a tablet PC laptop I can't get imagine how it could work out.