Edius 4 trial version

[for_mlove]

Installed version 4 trial today with great anticipation...however, when I try Capture>P2 Select I get the following error message:

The system requirement is illegal. Unable to start.

Anyone know what this is or how I can get around it?

[dregenthal]

Same thing happened to me (but did'nt before with my registered version 3). I just uninstalled it -- supposed to have my upgrade this coming week.

Good luck.

[Steve_Arm]

Yes it happens, maybe it is disabled in trial version.
Did you had the camera connected to the PC?

[jjb]

Something seems to be wrong because it's not what Canopus have promised:

Additionally, this trial allows you to use features available within Grass Valley EDIUS Broadcast, including
DVCPRO 50/DVCPRO HD support
DVCPRO P2 MXF support
XDCAM DVCAM and MPEG IMX support

[hvx_germanboy]

But obviously it doesnt work, i dont know where you got your information from(is it definitly about version 4, did you get this translated from the canopus jp page)...i assume that this will be different in the "official" trial version...but right now it looks like an edius4 "pro only" trial. (its not just the error message(same here), but also the settings:if you start, the dvcpro settings like i saw them on your full broadcast version4 screenshot are missing..so nothing yet for us poor trial guys..!

p.s.jjb, schreib mal eine pm, dann können wir ein wenig über deine broadcast erfahrung chatten..!

[jjb]

Hi hvx_germanboy,
I'm not talking about the Japanese version. Here you'll find the worldwide trial: http://www.canopuscorp.com/support/downloads/demos.php?id=265

(you'll have to signon).

And this is the description you'll find there:

Demo Downloads

Grass Valley EDIUS 4 NLE Software Demo

Windows XP

Free 30-day trial of the acclaimed nonlinear editing software. This trial version permits users to test every single feature within Grass Valley EDIUS NLE software version 4. Due to licensing restrictions, TitleMotion Pro is not included with this trial.

This trial version includes complete support of all native HDV formats, including Sony 1080i, Canon 1080p and JVC 720p.

Additionally, this trial allows you to use features available within Grass Valley EDIUS Broadcast, including
DVCPRO 50/DVCPRO HD support
DVCPRO P2 MXF support
XDCAM DVCAM and MPEG IMX support

Refer to the Related Downloads section for documentation on how to use the additional features and I/O modules, and to download sample HD clips.


bhiga - can you help us?

[for_mlove]

What I downloaded yesterday is version 4.00 and when I start a new project, I do see "Full HD 1080/59.94i" but nothing that says DVCproHD anywhere.

[THoff]

Installed version 4 trial today with great anticipation...however, when I try Capture>P2 Select I get the following error message:

The system requirement is illegal. Unable to start.

Anyone know what this is or how I can get around it?
Do you have the P2 drivers installed on your computer?

[for_mlove]

Yes. Do you think I would need to re-install for any reason??

[jjb]

I've just tested my production version without dongle and got the same error message. So it seems that the trial version includes the P2 and DVCPRO HD support but these functions are currently not released.

[for_mlove]

I'm a little confused... "not released" as in not available in the trial version?

[bhiga]

The current EDIUS version 4 trial version is EDIUS Pro version 4 only. It does not include the EDIUS Broadcast features. We have a request in for a trial with Broadcast features, like the previous EDIUS version 4 trial was.

Brandon

[otari_99]

The current EDIUS version 4 trial version is EDIUS Pro version 4 only. It does not include the EDIUS Broadcast features. We have a request in for a trial with Broadcast features, like the previous EDIUS version 4 trial was.

Brandon

I just finished my 30 day trial of Eduis Pro Version 3 which came with the Broadcast Options. Unfortunately, 30 days wasn't enough time. Looks like a really nice package though. Decodes P2 with ease and processes multi-frame rates all on the same time line without issue. ProCoder seemed to work well, too.

[jjb]

The current EDIUS version 4 trial version is EDIUS Pro version 4 only. It does not include the EDIUS Broadcast features. We have a request in for a trial with Broadcast features, like the previous EDIUS version 4 trial was.

Brandon
Hi Brandon,
I wonder if you could tell your colleagues at Canopus to be more careful writing trial announcements.

Additionally, this trial allows you to use features available within Grass Valley EDIUS Broadcast, including
DVCPRO 50/DVCPRO HD support
DVCPRO P2 MXF support
XDCAM DVCAM and MPEG IMX support

I would like to apologize to all members having tried this trial about my useless promotion.

[mule ferguson]

I just downloaded version 4.0. My first try was with my doggle and it worked with p2 capture 720 24pn and I did a test direct from the camera in OCHI HD60/60hz it worked wonderfull. I then removed the Doggle and it would only let you do DV. So you gonna need the Doggle. The only problem with p2 capture it takes 4 min for the capture window to appear. This is something that I have encountered on my laptop from day one purchased back in Feburay when I first purchased Broadcast. It works wonderful with my desktop with Edius 3.61 NX Broadcast.
:badputer::badputer:
Mule ferguson
Pumpkin Creek Video

[mule ferguson]

Should read OCHI HD60hz or 50 hz
Full HD 1080/59.94

Mule

[jjb]

I just downloaded version 4.0. My first try was with my doggle and it worked with p2 capture 720 24pn and I did a test direct from the camera in OCHI HD60/60hz it worked wonderfull. I then removed the Doggle and it would only let you do DV. So you gonna need the Doggle. The only problem with p2 capture it takes 4 min for the capture window to appear. This is something that I have encountered on my laptop from day one purchased back in Feburay when I first purchased Broadcast. It works wonderful with my desktop with Edius 3.61 NX Broadcast.
:badputer::badputer:
Mule ferguson
Pumpkin Creek Video

Hi Mule,
I just tried to reproduce the problem you have with P2 capture. I assume that you are talking about the P2 select tool within EDIUS Broadcast V4?
With my humble laptop it takes less than 2 seconds for the screen to appear. Import to bin in no time. Are you trying to do something else?

[THoff]

I've got Edius Broadcast V4.01, and there is no delay to speak of when using P2 Select.

There was another poster who ran into a similar problem a few days ago, and his problem turned out to be a multimedia card reader without media in it. The Panasonic P2 Viewer would take two minutes to start up because it was apparently scanning all removeable drives for P2 cards, and it took the card reader drivers a long time to time out and return an error.

If you have a card reader built into the laptop and don't need it, disable the device in Device Manager, or create a separate hardware profile, one which includes the card reader, and one without.

[mule ferguson]

[quote=jjb]Hi Mule,
I just tried to reproduce the problem you have with P2 capture. I assume that you are talking about the P2 select tool within EDIUS Broadcast V4?

Yes that is correct. P2 select from the capture menu.

Mule

[bhiga]

Not to point fingers, but the omission was a bit of a surprise for Us guys too...
:(

[bosindy]

Is there any update on whether the trial version of 4 will include broadcast?

[Jason Ramsey]

nope. I downloaded the trial of 4 about a week and a half ago. no p2 or xdcam options. None of the goodies in broadcast. Gotta get the full version
Jason

[Paul Llewellyn]

I just read this:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=75123

Is this right that Pro now supports p2?

[Jason Ramsey]

That's odd. And interesting if true. My week and a half or two week old trial of edius 4 does not allow it. The options are there, but they do not function.
Jason

[hvx_germanboy]

So what about this??

Is it just a bad joke or the truth?
I am unfortunatly out for work(without pc and hvx-babe), so would PLEEAASE someone try the new trial??

[aleksis]

that could be a joke, becouse demo available (Grass Valley EDIUS Pro v4 NLE Software Demo) is still the same (Released: 07/13/2006) after finishing a project in edius pro 3 i will try out this demo (in week)
sorry for my english

[hvx_germanboy]

bad joke..hope they will release the "real-broadcast-edius4 trial" soon!

Anyone news on using edius broadcast with nx and after effects?
I am really curious if this could be my workflow: editing in edius broadcast, exporting in canopus hq-avi to cc in After effects while checking on control-monitor via nx card..any thoughts/experiences?

Thanks!

[Jason Ramsey]

It doesn't sound like there will be a broadcast trial, but don't quote me on that. Everyone says though that Edius is THE solution as far as p2 workflow is concerned. The trial is for you to decide if everything else is workable. I tried it a little. I think I can live with it. Real-time and native support is very important to me in an NLE, so I am choosing Edius for that reason with my upgrade to the HVX.
Also, as far as I know, there still isn't yet support for third party programs. Version 4 was quite a re-working of things, so the other programs like Boris, etc. are having to re-work things on their end to be compatible with the new version. I haven't heard any indication of when that will be, nor have I seen anything to indicate that it won't be. I don't expect companies to "immediately" release a patch to make their software with Edius. But I do expect it to come with their next update. That would be my guesstimation anyways.
Jason

[THoff]

I believe a trial version of Broadcast with P2 and XDCAM support is expected later this month (September).

However, if you installed a previous trial version of Edius 4, I don't think you'll be able to install the new version, you cannot repeatedly uninstall/install the trial versions.

[for_mlove]

You know, I really think there should be some sort of workaround for people that jumped on what was supposedly a trial version of Edius Broadcast back in July only to find out it was only pro... I installed that version with a lot of excitement only to find out I couldn't use it to see how it handled DVCPRO-HD files.... I think I only opened it twice. Maybe I'll just pick up a cheap HDD and install Windows on it to test out the new version...

[theos]

I was frustrated at the same issue, I had a good look at the otehr viable options on how to invest the money and have gone for the full broadcst package . . . it does it all . . . it is great and workflow is smooth. Money well spent. At this point, why wait?

[Malcolm Wright]

Hi all, hi Bhiga,

I'm going to jump on the bandwagon of frustrated people about this trial version.

I downloaded it, and being on the road, the bandwidth with my Australian mobile modem actually is an issue - not cheap. It turns out, as has been noted here on this thread, to not include the Broadcast features.

Each time I am about to purchase Edius, something holds me back. At first it was the lack of a pervasive keyframing scheme. Now that that is allegedly addressed, this bungle comes along making me wonder what is going on over there with the developers. Is there a reason why this was done, and is there a reason why it has not been corrected?

I want to buy this software for reasons already mentioned on this thread and that I shall echo: it really does seem to be the best solution in terms of performance and native support for our medium. But it scares me that some decision makers are making such poor calls: it just doesn't give faith in the future of the product. I don't care how prominent the corporation is that has bought it, if the decisions being made are poor, they are poor, period.

I pulled in an SD DV clip to at least be able to play a little, and found that it could NOT play it back in real time. The trial of v3 was playing back 720p24 pretty much in realtime on this same machine, so I don't know what is going on. And because there is no broadcast functionality with this version, I can't test my HD clips.

The Help menu that comes with this v4 trial download thinks it is version 3.5/3.6 throwing more confusion into the mix. I looked through the help to see why I couldn't find the new keyframing functionality (I looked at the soft focus and blur filters, and they have no apparent keyframing funationality whatsoever).
The last filter I tried was emboss, which predictably had no keyframing functionality either, and which on top of it all has this utterly crude direction control which gives you a whooping 8 possible directions, rather than the obvious and far more flexible idea of allowing the user to enter an angle of degrees, KEYABLE of course.

Result: I simply don't have the elements on which to base a decision and what I do have isn't looking good.

I may be missing some bizarre way in which the keyframing has been implemented, and which I can't guess for lack of documentation applying to version 4 (hello?)... in which case I'd be happy for someone to point out to me where this functionality is hiding.

Bhiga, are you in a position to talk to these people? Maybe beat some sense into them? :)
It really feels as if the developing team needs to fire some people or hire some extra consultants that can start running the show the way a package of this price should be run. To be blunt.

Thanks,
M

[for_mlove]

I'm in no hurry to jump from Windows to Mac and I like the idea of Edius opening the doors to all the goodness I can squeak out of my HVX but as you mentioned, there are a few very disconcerting issues making the decision difficult.

1. Documentation and support. Just take a look at how many posts are being added to this forum per day in comparison to others, there aren't that many people using the software, or else they aren't posting. This goes for Canopus's website too. Canopus could offset that with excellent tutorials and documentation, but it's not there, not that I've seen by looking in the help on V3 and most of their tutorials limited in scope and are on outdated software.

2. Decisions made by those promoting the product, you hit that one.

3. And this one may only apply to me, but I've had enough fun trying to get multiple programs to work and play nice together when editing. Adobe, Apple and to some degree Avid have figured out how to put together a suite of programs that work and play nice together meaning I can spend more time creating and less time figuring out how to make things work. Again, this is only my opinion, but I think it would be nice to see Canopus bundle some DVD authoring, Compositing, and Audio editing capabilities with their product. Whether it's developed in house or integrated from 3rd party apps like with xpress pro.

My 2 cents

[dregenthal]

I'd be even happier with a working relationship between Broadcast and After Effects.

[Jason Ramsey]

I agree that some good in depth tutorials, etc would be an excellent thing. As far as people using Edius. You're right its not so much in comparison to some of the other nle's, but it is my understanding, and personal opinion that That is starting to change relatively quickly. Edius, in a relatively short period has added quite a few broadcast tv stations to their list of customers. I think that is one place you will really see expansion in the market. As for the number of posts here, you are right, of course. But, I remember a couple of weeks ago it would be days before a new post was added to this section, and it was usually me :) But in the last 2 days, their have been several posts up on this section. In time, I think you are going to see much more info. coming on-line about Edius.
As for bundling other programs into the Edius software, I think I read that their main concern (maybe I read that here?) was making the software be powerful and Real-time with native support for all the camera formats. Anything that got in the way of that would not be included. That is pretty ok with me, because real-time and native support is about the most important thing for me, which is why I am ordering Edius with all my equipment in about a week. Other program support is on its way I think. It is just taking some re-working on those companies ends due to the fact that Edius 4 was a pretty big overhaul from previous versions. At least that's my understanding.
Jason

[bhiga]

A new trial version including Broadcast features will be available soon.

[Jason Ramsey]

Good to see your presence on the canopus threads again Brandon. I trust you had fun at IBC?
Jason

[THoff]

Probably dampened by the fact that the Canopus forum was hacked and had to be rebuilt...

[bhiga]

IBC was fun. I think I might still be jetlagged though...

Yeah, having to fix the forum wasn't much fun, but Tyrone did most of the work, I just provided the backup index page.

Brandon

[Malcolm Wright]

A new trial version including Broadcast features will be available soon.

Good to hear!
Meanwhile, do you know what I am missing in order to keyframe the filters I mentioned above?
Do you know whether there are any plans to simply make all paramaters keyable that would benefit from it?

Thanks,
Malcolm

[Steve_Arm]

A new trial version including Broadcast features will be available soon.
How soon is that soon? There are few people including me that are waiting to test it with P2 video.


Good to hear!
Meanwhile, do you know what I am missing in order to keyframe the filters I mentioned above?
Some filters are keyable, others not. CC filters accept keys now and 3D PIP always did. Although I have to say the 3D PIP interface is not so user friendly.

Blur like filters don't have keyframes yet. Actually it seems not to be easy to change the non keyframable fxs to keyframeables because they must rewrite pretty long code blocks and do some major changes in EDIUS engine. So that's why I believe they still focus on other features and some time they will make all the plugins keyframeable. The question is how long the user wants to wait.

[Malcolm Wright]

Thanks Steve!
I'm in a bad position to judge, not being privvy to the architecture of the program, but I can't really imagine why it would take an unreasonable amount of work to implement.
All it takes is a global frame variable which each parameter looks up to determine its value if the channel is keyframed.
I can't see why the engine needs major changes to accomodate this: if spline based keyframing is implemented on some controls now, that means the engine can accomodate it.

Sure, if there are intricacies, programming is a tough and demanding job. I really can't stress enough that this needs to be done.

Anyway, y'all have heard my rant before.
I guess it'll be interesting to see how much longer we have to wait to be able to use the trial with our HVX footage. It seems the trial was made available mid-July. Well over two months later and us p2 users still can't really properly evalute this version... how much longer yet?

M.

[bhiga]

Each time I am about to purchase Edius, something holds me back. At first it was the lack of a pervasive keyframing scheme. Now that that is allegedly addressed, this bungle comes along making me wonder what is going on over there with the developers. Is there a reason why this was done, and is there a reason why it has not been corrected? I stopped asking for reasons a long time ago... :(

There are a few places where keyframes hide in EDIUS:
Blend filter, application-based.
This is a cross-dissolve type blend of filters, so it is like putting a opacity key between two of the same clip with different filters.
Transitions, progression-based.
Progression-based keyframing just lets you move back-and-forth within the transition's application. For example, a circle wipe could open part-way, close back up, then open completely.
2D Picture-in-Picture, parameter-based.
This is a parameter-based keyframe of 2D Picture-in-Picture key positions. You must define more than one position point (which normally would include movement, but it could "move" to the exact same position) for this to work.
The keyframing interface is an unfortunately cryptic graph, and there is no control of progression of parameters.
3D Picture-in-Picture, parameter-based with spline control.
Overall, the 3D Picture-in-Picture keyframing interface is what people "traditionally" think of as keyframing. Individual parameters and their progression can be controlled.
Color Correction filters - Color Balance, Color Wheel, White Balance and YUV Curve, parameter-based with spine control. This is new in EDIUS version 4
Now these filters (and only these filters, currently) have parameter-based keyframing with spline control. The interface is almost exactly like 3D Picture-in-Picture, so it should make sense to most folks.
I pulled in an SD DV clip to at least be able to play a little, and found that it could NOT play it back in real time. The trial of v3 was playing back 720p24 pretty much in realtime on this same machine, so I don't know what is going on. And because there is no broadcast functionality with this version, I can't test my HD clips. This is very odd. The last time I saw this, the drive was very fragmented. I had a hard time believing that was the problem, but lo-and-behold, after defragging the drive, it played back perfectly.


The Help menu that comes with this v4 trial download thinks it is version 3.5/3.6 throwing more confusion into the mix. This is fixed in the v4.03 trial, which will go up today or tomorrow.


Bhiga, are you in a position to talk to these people? Maybe beat some sense into them? :) If you go with Yoda's adage of "Do, or do not, there is no try" then I guess I don't.:( Not for lack of trying though. But perhaps we're finally in a position that we can make a change so maybe... :Drogar-Evil(DBG):


It really feels as if the developing team needs to fire some people or hire some extra consultants that can start running the show the way a package of this price should be run. To be blunt.
If you only knew the non-PC comments that run through my head sometimes...:nads::beer:
But, like I said, we may finally be in a position where we can get some external direction, so there's still hope.
The point I keep pushing is simple: Good engineering alone does not sell a product. It needs to be usable, learnable, flexible, interoperable and reliable. We've been really good about the reliable and so-so on the others. The other factors need to be brought to the same level in order to truly go head-to-head with our competition, otherwise we'll remain stuck in "special-case" scenarios.

That said, there are a number of folks who use EDIUS day-to-day for serious production including film and TV. It's just not quite at the level where it can be a "general purpose" editor for the masses yet, though some might argue that it shouldn't ever be.

Brandon

[Scrappy]

My two cents. I've been using the demo broadcast 3 for a few days. It is a very easy to learn program and works very well with the hvx. I"m not sure I can justify spending a thousand bucks on it though. I think one of the reasons I learned it so quickly was because it doesn't do very much. Vegas does twice as much at half the price. Sure it's an effort getting the mxf files converted in Vegas, but it seems to me an editor using canopus would wind up needing a second NLE to finnish off some projects canopus isn't feature rich enough to complete. Mind you, this a very premature observation as I'm sure I haven't delved deep enough into the program yet.

[Malcolm Wright]

Bhiga,

I just wanted to thank you for your thoughtful and honest response.

Thank you for indicating the existing keyframing functionality. I think it is reasonable for me to assume that after announcing keyframing for v4 and delivering 'this', it might be a protracted struggle to ever see the type of control I need from NLE filters in Edius. In the best case scenario, this might appear in v5, which I cannot afford to wait for.

A copy of Edius has been ordered for me by a Brisbane retailer and should be there when I arrive there at the end of the month but I will have to reneg on the purchase.

I sincerely hope that Edius will push in the right direction, and that I will be able to turn around a year from now and conclude that I was unduly pessimistic. For now, I'll have to listen to prudence and go for slightly slower performance and much greater functionality.

Best to you,
Malcolm

[Jason Ramsey]

Edius is not the most robust of editors, that is true.
However, Real-time editing and native support for the HVX makes it worth the price of admission to me. Those 2 things are the most important things in an NLE to me. Then the other stuff comes second. If it is sufficient, then I say yes.
I found it to be sufficient for my early needs. I will grow with the program. Probably more accurately, I will grow with future 3rd party support for version 4.
Jason

[Steve_Arm]

To really understand the privilege of real-time is working on a studio with deadlines. No renders, efficiency.

People today misunderstand the term NLE. In old times you would buy an AVID with dissolves and some wipes. That's what an editor should do, edit no effects and help you edit faster.

EDIUS is at this point, a simple editor which is in it's first steps in a big competition arena. I've been following it since version 1.5.

My biggest question is why the playhead doesn't stop exactly where you have pressed stop. Can someone confirm that this happens in other configurations?

[THoff]

I pulled in an SD DV clip to at least be able to play a little, and found that it could NOT play it back in real time. The trial of v3 was playing back 720p24 pretty much in realtime on this same machine, so I don't know what is going on. And because there is no broadcast functionality with this version, I can't test my HD clips.FWIW, I'm currently editing a project using the multicam feature in Edius 4 Broadcast. The project consists of three DVCProHD 720P clips, three DV25 (SD DV) clips from a MiniDV camera, and a separate PCM audio track. It plays back render-free in realtime with about 80% CPU utilization using an Intel P4D 840 3.2GHz processor, with the assets on a SATA II RAID1 array.

[Jason Ramsey]

I was screwing with the 4 trial on my athlon 64 3800+ single core with a 7200 rpm 300 gig drive, and a 5400 rpm 40 gig drive. I was multicam-ing 4 streams of mini dv with no problem at all.

Jason

[Malcolm Wright]

Thanks fellas: that sets the performance issue to rest. It must be my drive: it must be horribly fragmented. Its true, I haven't defragged in a while.

Despite my words to the contrary a few posts up, I am still on the fence. I'm getting to Brisbane in two days, and may just pick up the v4 copy when I get there. For all its shortcomings, I might just get it anyway.

I appreciate that studios with deadlines appreciate the real time capabilities. I will too, to a lesser degree. I'm just not in that same high-pressure environment and am more concerned with the frustration of having to switch apps, importing and exporting all the way when I want to do simple keyframing of blurs and the like.

M.

[bhiga]

Hi Malcolm,

It really depends on what kind of effects you apply. The folks using it every day have spent a small bit of time setting up some presets for what they use. For example, station logo fly-in, etc.

Now, if you do more creative work and need/want to do stuff like vary the mosaic level dynamically, EDIUS can't do that right now.

I'm told that keyframeability of the other filters will follow int he future, but like you say, it may not happen until v5... so if you need it now, it's not the appropriate tool for that job.

One cool feature that I really like but always manage to fumble through showing is the split-screen color correction preview. You can split not only to before/after, but to some-other-point-on-the-timeline/after. Makes for much easier relative matching.

Brandon