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Hail to the ones
who don't just follow,
who change.
Thank you for your creativeness and energy to persist.
Inspired by today's anniversary of the birth of Nikola Tesla.
Some of you know who he is. We owe him A LOT and without his legacy all of this probably wouldn't exist....
Jarred Land
07-10-2006, 07:12 AM
Thanks for the inspiring post omen.
the Tesla Coil has always been one of my favorite war inventions. Oh.. the radio was a good one he came up with as well.
Proteus
07-10-2006, 08:46 AM
Hail to the ones
who don't just follow,
who change.
Thank you for your creativeness and energy to persist.
That was nice omen, :thumbsup:
but, just "change" is not innovation.
I believe that innovation means two things:
1. Discover or understand better, some parts of reality, so you can extract new knowledge.
2. Use this new knowledge to solve existing problems for the general good.
Because there are many who "change" but not for the better... and they are not even creative!
BTW, the current patent system is in such a serious crisis that is strongly acting against creativity...
This has huge consequences in many areas. It's more like a terror story that no one knows when it will come to an end...
It's a huge subject... I just mentioned it because I consider it relevant.
the Tesla Coil has always been one of my favorite war inventions. Oh.. the radio was a good one he came up with as well
I think the most important inventions of Tesla was the AC generator and electric motor. The radio was studied by Marconi too.
Oh but there's soo much more....
-most of the electircity basis,
-electromagnetic engine,
-radar basis,
-rf airplane control
-highfrequent electricity,
-usage of solar energy,
-developement of x-rays parallel to Roentgen
-radio comunication with distant planets (!!!)
-"stationary" waves,
-wireless transfer of electricity (!!!) - 200 lightbulbs at a distance of 30 miles,
NEED MORE ?
...also
refused to finish devices which could
-destroy 10 000 planes 300 miles away (!!!)
aaand
-the device which could break the planet apart (!!!)
(shook some buildings in NY developing it)
because of the risk of misuse...(go figure)
-refused Nobel prize because he didn't believe his co-recipient Edison deserved it (due to Edisons theft of his many patents)
All that and much much more at the end of 19'th century.
He came to NY with 4 cents, changed the modern world and died poor in NY because many of his inventions were stolen by....some, and some are still kept somewhere....
Since RED is kind of a breakthrough I just wanted to pay some respect to one of the breakthrough thinkers...
And after your response, Jarred,
I respect you even more
;)
BTW, the current patent system is in such a serious crisis that is strongly acting against creativity...
This has huge consequences in many areas. It's more like a terror story that no one knows when it will come to an end...
It's a huge subject... I just mentioned it because I consider it relevant.
I personally have about:
10-15 patents in audio technology;
about 20 video hardware patents;
10 or so software patents (which could revolutionarise audio and video editing systems btw);
and what can I do about it?
Nothing.
because where I live - I cannot protect them. I would even go so far as give some of them to the manufacturers, just to use them, or they existed, making many lives easier, but.......corporate laws.....company policies...need I say more?
And I know I'm not alone in this....
btw..
Did you know the REAL superconductor is invented four years ago?
I met an engineer who tested it at the room temperature. It's also pretty affordable.
What could it do to the modern world ?
I think most of you here can imagine...
When it will be available to the rest of the world ?
Go figure.....
1. Discover or understand better, some parts of reality, so you can extract new knowledge.
2. Use this new knowledge to solve existing problems for the general good.
Tesla was born and raised in central Europe, surrounded by nothing but mountains and sheeps, hundreds of miles to the closest civilisation,
just wanted you to know
:)
Proteus
07-10-2006, 07:11 PM
Oh but there's soo much more....
It sure is...
Did you know the REAL superconductor is invented four years ago?
Now that you mention it, I realize I that I had more than 4 years to hear about it...:)
I had the impression that they're still trying to invent it for room temperature..
But if they did, obviously it will be one of the next upcoming revolutions, although to be massively spread they will have to make it work in a bit higher temperature, maybe 50oC or more. About the delay, it maybe manufacturing reasons, or military reasons, or patent related reasons...maybe the other companies prefer to re-invent it using different materials and methods than pay huge royalties! Who knows?
I personally have about:
10-15 patents in audio technology;
about 20 video hardware patents;
10 or so software patents (which could revolutionarise audio and video editing systems btw);
and what can I do about it?
Nothing.
because where I live - I cannot protect them. I would even go so far as give some of them to the manufacturers, just to use them, or they existed, making many lives easier, but.......corporate laws.....company policies...need I say more?
And I know I'm not alone in this....
You could take advantage of your patents in a different country than the one you live. You could try USPTO (in US) but instead of applying for a regular patent application and get deep into the patent madness, you could follow the alternative path:
You could file a provisional patent application to the USPTO at a very low cost, ($100 or so) without a lawyer, just by writing a technical article (including any drawings) that describes accurately how to make and use your invention. Then you have to send it to the USPTO along with the fee and by this way you'll have 12 months to find out if you can take advantage of your invention (e.g. if a manufacturer is interested, etc) without spending more money. During this time you can use the term "patend pending". Then you can file a regular patent application if you decide it is worth it, or simply abandon it .
In any case the more you know, the better, so I'd suggest you to read these two excellent books (in plain language) from Nolo (www.nolo.com):
"Patent pending in 24 hours" and "Patent it yourself":
http://www.nolo.com/graphics/covers/PEND_icon.gif http://www.nolo.com/graphics/covers/PAT_icon.gif
The following are also very useful:
"How to make Patent drawings yourself", "Copyright your software", "Web & Software Development A legal Guide" and "Trademark".
At least these books I can suggest because I have them, but you can find more (even downloadable software) at the Nolo's web site.
Tesla was born and raised in central Europe, surrounded by nothing but mountains and sheeps, hundreds of miles to the closest civilisation
This is probably a good example of being "born" rather than being "made" !
I'm not sure if you agree with my previous post though...
Greg Lowry
07-10-2006, 09:01 PM
I personally have about:
10-15 patents in audio technology;
about 20 video hardware patents;
10 or so software patents (which could revolutionarise audio and video editing systems btw);
and what can I do about it?
Nothing.
because where I live - I cannot protect them. I would even go so far as give some of them to the manufacturers, just to use them, or they existed, making many lives easier, but.......corporate laws.....company policies...need I say more?
And I know I'm not alone in this....
Presumably you mean that you have ideas for that many patents, rather than actual patents. If you had useful patents you could license or assign them to those who could commercialize and defend them. Don't sit on good ideas and use an inability to protect them as an excuse for action. There are ways to make things happen if you use a little initiative and creativity. What corporate laws and policies do you refer to?
Presumably you mean that you have ideas for that many patents, rather than actual patents. If you had useful patents you could license or assign them to those who could commercialize and defend them. Don't sit on good ideas and use an inability to protect them as an excuse for action. There are ways to make things happen if you use a little initiative and creativity. What corporate laws and policies do you refer to?
You're right. If I had patents allready It would be completely different thing. I did aaall I had to do concerning all the basis (description, papirology, checking for similar ideas on world patent banks, etc....)
BUT it all stopped when I was informed about the financial and time path I had to pass through just to protect the patent inside our borders. After that I would face additional few years of birocracy with additional tens of thousands of Euros for it.......and so on and so on....
The problem ISN'T using the patent once it's licensed, the problem in my country is to LICENSE IT on the larger scale.
What the f do I need a patent for a specific hardware device for which there is absloutely no chance of being produced where I live, because it needs allready developed specific technology? Not to mention professional software improvements.
So....
I do other stuff....and wait
I just wouldn't want all this to become a private issue on a place with a different purpose.
Nevertheless, I really apprechiate all the suggestions I got from you guys.
It sure is...
But if they did, obviously it will be one of the next upcoming revolutions, although to be massively spread they will have to make it work in a bit higher temperature, maybe 50oC or more. About the delay, it maybe manufacturing reasons, or military reasons, or patent related reasons...maybe the other companies prefer to re-invent it using different materials and methods than pay huge royalties! Who knows?
The material is stable and useable even in the wider temperature range then necessary. The companies cannot reinvent it just like that, because this engineer has been developing it for about 30 years or so as I remember. Just using different materials won't work, because the material itself is a specific complex composite for which any change does drastic change of it's features. For this thing you cannot just cange one small element and claim it as a different patent. It just won't work.
The guy didn't want to spread the word around because of the problems it would start, and his goal is to create a cooperation of small local firms and create his own buisness. One example of superconductivity was testing some devices such as a speaker with superconductor wire in them. They got a massive power increase from an ordinary mid sized speaker, weighing less thanh fifth of its original (with it's depth reduced to minimum). Many more testing was done and the thing got proven.
I believe he wrote that with it the whole world could be connected with no more than four transformer-stations (couldn't think of a correct term in English)
This is probably a good example of being "born" rather than being "made" !
I'm not sure if you agree with my previous post though...
I think I lost you there.....:) by that "mountains and sheeps" thing I just wanted to stress out what kind of a genious one has to be to think of all those things without growing up in an technology-based environment.....
also
many thanks for your advices...I'll check all of this out once the rush I'm in stabilises...
Greg Lowry
07-11-2006, 12:50 PM
What the f do I need a patent for a specific hardware device for which there is absloutely no chance of being produced where I live, because it needs allready developed specific technology? Not to mention professional software improvements.
There is no reason you need to patent the invention in your small country, wherever that is. The only sensible thing to do is to start with a US patent and then expanded from there. You're right about it being expensive. I recently filed a provisional US patent that cost US$10,000 in legal fees, and the ultility patent will probably cost another $10,000. You can also file patent disclosures for not much money that give you two years to file a utility patent. I don't recommend the do-it-yourself approach because the difference between an enforceable patent and a dead one can be a few carefully chosen words.
If you have good ideas, you can find partners. I repeat: Don't sit on your ideas. Contact me if you want some help.
If you have good ideas, you can find partners. I repeat: Don't sit on your ideas. Contact me if you want some help.
I do need help I this.
Too bad I don't know you so well......wouldn't want to go through what Tesla did (lol)
If you spend one summer on one of the most beautifull coast's in the world maybe we'll meet some day and arrange a cooperation.....
A lot of great camera friendly scenery here also... :)
Greg Lowry
07-11-2006, 01:58 PM
I didn't ask you to reveal your ideas in exchange for some help. Paranoia will get you nowhere. Good luck.
Jarred Land
07-11-2006, 02:03 PM
Paranoia will get you nowhere.
this isnt directed to you omen, but i wonder if there are any numbers out there that show the stats on fantastic inventions gone nowhere cause of paranoia. I seem to see it hand in hand with incredible intelligent people that have great inventions.. Its too bad.. cause man the world would be a better place.
Being funny, man
Nothing more.
I ment it when I said I need the help.
Did you witness any negative tone in any of my prior posts?
Also, the scenery here IS beautifull...I think the plane ticket from the US east coast is about a $1k or so...
We are all inventors. At least most of us.
When you have technology around you and creativity in you, your subjecive thughts and yearnings will often think of new solutions of how to get to your goals.
Being open minded logically leads for one's mind to open and create something. I think most of the ideas stay that way because people don't recognize the power of creative thought.
And a thought is primal creation.
People overlook that.
I don't.
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Thanx Jarred for trying to cool things down...:)
that's the second time you fight for me (lol)
- maybe I can repay it someday, arranging cheaper accomodation
- and beeing a tour guide to the best shot sights here....;)
if you come to a summer vacation...
Offcourse, no negativity was sent from me or Greg.
btw.
sometimes I unintentionaly get all philosophical...:)
Proteus
07-12-2006, 05:50 AM
I think I lost you there.....:) by that "mountains and sheeps" thing I just wanted to stress out what kind of a genious one has to be to think of all those things without growing up in an technology-based environment.....
There were two theories in psychology, one claiming that a talent or genius is “born” and the other one that is “made”, meaning through training and influence from the environment. So what I meant, is that Tesla was more like “born” than “made”.
Now some believe that both factors contribute, but it seems that there are many who believe that most times a talent is being made…
Personally I think the later too often confuse talent with success…
There were two theories in psychology, one claiming that a talent or genius is “born” and the other one that is “made”, meaning through training and influence from the environment. So what I meant, is that Tesla was more like “born” than “made”.
Now some believe that both factors contribute, but it seems that there are many who believe that most times a talent is being made…
Personally I think the later too often confuse talent with success…
My opinion si that a genious is a person who truly recognizes and accepts his given talent and makes the most of it, successfully adapting it into his point in time and space.
I think you can't make a talent.
You do make a success. Combine talent and hard work.
And if you make it a game, "hard" disappears...