Cinegear Photos.. Anyone? Anyone??

[Jay A. Kelley]

I thought we would see some by now

Jay

[Jarred Land]

there are some plasted around.. but here is the new body, and the new poster.. pretty cool:

[Gibby]

I'll put a few Cine Gear pics up shortly. I meant to put some up last night, but it was a long say...

Gibby
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[Gibby]

er...long day

Gibby

[Gibby]

Saw Jarred at Cine Gear - tallest guy there! Seriously, at 6'1" I usually feel fairly tall, but next to "Jib-arms" Land I felt small...

I shot a lot of digital stills at Cine Gear for an article I'm writing. Shots of about every product at Cine Gear, just in case I need them looking forward. The pics were shot with a Canon 10D, 19-40mm wide angle and 35-80mm lenses, at 6.3 megapixels. I shot some pics at the RED tent, and of the new incarnations of the RED One camera and cage. The RED staff kindly opened the locked glass doors and allowed me to reach my 10D into the case. I've uploaded five of the pics...that will have to do for now. I haven't had a day off in a while and it's time to kick back for a few hours...

Gibby
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[Jarred Land]

Thanks Steve :)

good old John A just did a render of the new body as well, check this out:

[EL_STUPIDO]

... What's different about it? It's black... and smoke seems to be able to come out the end of it now too. Which is cool, saves on getting smoke in the shot from one of those old skool machines.

But seriously, for anyone who went there what did they say was different and why'd they change it?

El Stupido

PS: I did kinda like the steel image. It felt very T-800 with out the flesh on top.

[Gibby]

Camera: specs the same, design on schedule, images from sensor scheduled to be shown in the Fall, flat black rather than shiny silver, camera body streamlined and lengthened, nose plate redesigned, smaller nuzzle, short fins for cooling and aesthetics.

Cage: flat black rather than shiny silver, flat spots on side handles to enable easy accessory mounting.

Gibby
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[Haakon]

Steve - awesome pictures! Finally something without that hatched glass in front. Very much appreciated for those of us who couldn't make it!

Is it just me, or does the camera look like it's going to be quite front-heavy with a decent lens attached? I'm actually all for the small form factor, unlike a lot of other pople seem to be... but it does look like it might be a little unbalanced in its current state.

[Greg Lowry]

It's looks very front heavy just with the Cooke lens and without a follow-focus, rods or matte box. Combined with the lens, those things will weigh as much or more than the ~7 lb camera body. And a short zoom could be as long as the camera body and weigh more. With a viewfinder positioned slightly forward of the focal plane, for handheld or shoulder use it'll need some form of counterbalance. A rear-mounted recording device and battery may help. It could easily be 20 lb+ rig. What's currently depicted suggests that it's going to be quite long. And yes, I know, everything is subject to change.

[Gibby]

Haakon,

Glad you like the pics! I have a lot more but I'm in the middle of several projects right now and that's all I've had time to put up. I also shot creative pics of about every other product presented by all the other exhibitors at Cine Gear. Good stuff...

The camera itself is only projected to be around 7 pounds. The battery and RED Drive insert into the back, so there will be some counter-weighting of the lens there. I'm guessing there will also be the ability to back-mount external Anton Bauer or IDX-type bricks or mini-bricks, especially with an AB Stasis type shoulder system. Jim Jannard recently mentioned that RED is working on a shoulder mount system for the camera, separate from the RED Gun, but RED has not presented any mockups of that yet. That's good news for mobile cine-style and ENG-style shooters, because my guess is that the RED shoulder brace will undoubtedly incorporate features that will enable center of balance adjustments, to compensate for the many possible lens/accessory configurations. There will undoubtedly be many existing aftermarket shoulder braces that can carry the RED camera. The type with a sliding shoulder pad would be the best, because it would be easy to center-balance the camera rig. The full-length rods on the Cage One should also enable balancing of the camera in hand held use. Clamp on, or even better, sliding counterweights would allow users to do a custom center of balance for each camera configuration. If RED doesn't make such counterweights, I'd bet an aftermarket accessory company will. For hand held with a large lens that makes the camera front heavy, the RED 3-handle setup may be the trick. Fold all the handles forward and the gripping point should be close to the center of balance for the rig. With the cage, it should be a piece of cake to hold the configured camera at a balance point, especially if there are clamp-on or sliding counterweights on the cage rods.

I do a lot of mobile, hand held, and shoulder held production, usually in an ENG-style configuration, but also in a cine-style setup. Camera balance is critical. On sticks you can obviously just slide the plate to achieve center balance. With 1080p, 1080i, and 720p being included in the RED formats, they know many users will be doing mobile S16, and 2/3" hand held and shoulder mounted production. There are a bunch of experienced shooters from both persuasions (cine-style & ENG-style) involved in giving input to the design process. I'm sure RED has listened to our hand held and shoulder mount suggestions.

Gibby
RED camera #8
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[Gibby]

A good ENG-style hand held setup for shooting 1080p, 1080i, or 720p with RED may include the optional B4 mount and a lens like the new Fujinon HA 16x6.3 ERM/ERD, with 2x extender.

Link: http://www.fujinonbroadcast.com/cgi-bin/products.cgi?p=250

The HA 16x6.3 weighs between 1.98 and 2.05 kilograms, which translates to between 4.365 and 4.519 pounds. With RED One camera body projected to be around 7 pounds, and adding in a RED battery, RED Drive, a shoulder mount brace/cage/or 3-handle system, and an aftermarket EVF, the total weight should be between 14 to 16 pounds, depending on whether you use a shoulder brace, cage, or 3-handle system.

Mobile hand held and shoulder mounted ENG-style shooting of sports, news, reality, documentaries, etc. in 1080p, 1080i, and 720p does not call for a matte box, follow focus, etc, and ENG-style shooting will be the mainstay of many RED users production.

Bottom line: the RED camera system can be as big and heavy, or light and mobile as you want to accessorize it to be for a particular production, whether it be cine-style or ENG-style. With all the accessory mount hard points incorporated in the RED design there's no need to have to be saddled with a front-heavy rig.

Gibby
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[Greg Lowry]

Steve, did you happen to take a picture of the reportedly HUGE Zeiss 16.5-110 Master Zoom at the ARRI tent?

[Gibby]

I'll check. I shot a lot of items in the ARRI tent: their lighting equipment, the 416, and about every other camera in their tent. I checked the 416 out closely and just wrote a short review of it. I don't specifically remember shooting that particular Zeiss lens, but I may have.

I shot about every camera and lens at the Panavision tent, the Dalsa Origin, and probably 200 frames of various cameras around the expo, and every jib, crane, dolly, and stabilization device - 400 frames over two days. I always have mixed emotions at expos: I want to network and schmooze, but I love to shoot, and the pics always come in handy down the road when I write articles.

Gibby
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[EL_STUPIDO]

Thanks Gibby for pix in first place & details of modifications in the 2nd. That all makes sense.

If there's a 2nd round of release for this cam, it'd be great to have the choice of black or silver. Although I guess it could be Baby-Poo green and if it does what it is planning, we would all still invest*.

El Stupido

* I'd invest in a lotto ticket... And a can of non-corrosive silver spray paint after I won.

[Jarred Land]

silver poses a problem because its very reflective, and in a studio enviroment reflections are a bad thing.

[Jarred Land]

It's looks very front heavy just with the Cooke lens and without a follow-focus, rods or matte box. Combined with the lens, those things will weigh as much or more than the ~7 lb camera body. And a short zoom could be as long as the camera body and weigh more. With a viewfinder positioned slightly forward of the focal plane, for handheld or shoulder use it'll need some form of counterbalance. A rear-mounted recording device and battery may help. It could easily be 20 lb+ rig. What's currently depicted suggests that it's going to be quite long. And yes, I know, everything is subject to change.

yes.. a rear mounted auxillary battery off the back would help, lets hope they put a power port on the camera (i cant see them not)..

but you gotta remember.. if you look at the body as one piece and the lens as another piece then yeah it will be front heavy.. but once you connect the 2 with rods and a base plate it becomes one piece and you just need to put the mounting piece forward to find the balance.