"Bloody Mary: A nightmare Collaboration by Mark Harris and Timur Civan"

[Mark Harris]

DOWNLOAD:
MIKKO'S MIRROR (http://dvxuser.mikkowilson.com/horrorfest/BloodyMary.mov)
DVX Mirror (http://www.dvxuser4.com/horrorfest/BloodyMary.mov)
Edgen's Mirror (http://www.edgenmusic.com/dvxuserhorrorfest/BloodyMary.mov)
or go to:
THIS THREAD (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=73718)

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2939/1157603609.jpg

Bloody Mary
"Bloody Mary" is a game kids play in a bathroom. Someone will go into a bathroom, either turn off all of the lights, and light a candle, or just stay in pitch black. Then, they will look into the mirror and chant "Bloody Mary" over and over again. The idea is that after chanting her name, "Bloody Mary" will appear to them in the mirror. And she is supposed to be any number of things: a victim of some horrific accident or crime, a witch burned at the stake hundreds of years ago. Whatever you are supposed to see, most kids get so freaked out and bolt from the bathroom before they see anything.

Written & Directed by
Mark Harris

Director of Photography
Timur Civan

Music composed and performed by
Herman Witkam

Sound design
Herman Witkam

Crew
AC
Shawn Chittle
Grip
Steve Boling
Make-up
Nina Pinchin

Make-up Designed by
Timur Civan

Cast
Leah Rudick
Rachel Jordan Brown
Godfrey L. Simmons Jr.
Sarah K. Chalmers
Katie Hartman
Jennifer Arnold
Tabetha Lorena-Baker
Dana Bove

Produced by
Mark Harris & Nina Pinchin

Special thanks
Steve Boling
Rachel Brown and Katie Hartman

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

LOL, if you can't title the thread without giving it away, then how can you title the movie without giving it away.

[Jarred Land]

why doesnt anyone name their film simply " Untitled "

[Mark Harris]

That's all right, I may not even have time for the damned thing now anyway, with all of the other stuff I want to shoot this year...

[Jarred Land]

too late dude.. your in your in. no turning back now :)

[Weston]

Jarred....wheres the thread for your film?

[Mark Harris]

Bump to say that Timur is added and how do I change the title of the thread??????

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

On the first post click "modify"
Then click "go advanced"

You'll see the title there. I don't think we nornally can change the Title of the threads but I think its been added for specifically for these short threads.

BTW, Timur will rock your world, but you know this.

Jack

[Mark Harris]

I can edit the POST title, but not the thread. Urgh.

And yeah, since Timur shot my upcoming Man-Hole episode, I have learned the rockin' he is capable of. :)

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

I can edit the POST title, but not the thread. Urgh.
Oh yeah, I thought you could because my thread and 1st post have the same title.

Only thing I can guess is PM a mod ... just the danger of posting one of these early I guess.


And yeah, since Timur shot in my Man-Hole, I have learned the rockin' he is capable of. :) whaaa???
http://goldismoney.info/forums/images/smilies/haha.gif

[Mark Harris]

Oh yeah, I thought you could because my thread and 1st post have the same title.

Only thing I can guess is PM a mod ... just the danger of posting one of these early I guess.

whaaa???
http://goldismoney.info/forums/images/smilies/haha.gif

The man can shoot in a Man-Hole.

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

The man can shoot in a Man-Hole.
teeheee.

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

updates ... come on man,
not like you have an invited showcase screening of your shorts to prepare for!

[TimurCivan]

Holy crap i didint even know we had a thread!

Awesome.

Thank you for the kind words jack!

I will do me best. I am unemployed, my Girlfreind has gone back to Turkey, and i have a chunck of change im my pocket to live off of........ Im Frigging Ready for WAR!!!! ( insert Arnold Schwarzennegger's Man Yell from PREDATOR when he has the torch at night in the jungle and is ready to take on the Predator.)

[Mark Harris]

yeah, I started this thread ages ago in a drunken stupor, even before we started working together Timur.

[TimurCivan]

So we are technichally Begun!

Today was our first tests. Things are looking good.

[Mark Harris]

Ha ha, I knew you wouldn't be able to resist posting!

Here are the first make-up tests: Timur learning that latex WILL rip the hair off your arm :):

http://www.desperatecomfort.com/working/horror/timur_test_hairless.jpg

However, he did get to spend the evening covering a beautiful actress in Vasoline, so he's glad he signed on with this picture already. :)

Movie is cast and shoot dates scheduled.

We are still trying to lock down a location or two, so if you are in NYC and have a really good bathroom, or a good, long hallway, let us know. We have them, but are still looking for some other options while we can.

[insanityfw]

why doesnt anyone name their film simply " Untitled "
LOL. I was thinking the same thing as I read the thread....you're quick.

PS-Desperate. I don't know how I'm going to get it done either, but I'm sure we can. Just cut your daily sleep down to about 3 hours and drink more coffee. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm also going to have to let the baby play by himself all day long, but hey, it's all for a good cause.

[TimurCivan]

wow i look mad wooly......

but that little patch of sexiness shows through.......

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Great screening of your Man Hole series last night.
We had a great time.

Working on blood effects today?
How's it going?

[Mark Harris]

I just delivered some of the prosthetics to Timur, who is now going to do his magic on them. I guess we'll find out tonight if this whole idea will work. But I think it will.

Also, getting final costumes today, and rehearsing a couple of the actors for a scene with some heavy choreography.

Also today doing some mundane stuff like taking Timur's storyboards and breaking them down into shot lists by location/cast/times. We are going to set-up some scenes and pre-light tomorrow night, so that tues morning we can hit the ground running with the shoot. Yikes! We shoot this week!!!!!!

[TimurCivan]

im having a panic attack....... lol

[Mark Harris]

im having a panic attack....... lol

It's gonna be GREAT. Now I have a good handle on the schedule and the pre-prod is nearly done - and that after a hungover post Man-Hole screening day, no less!

If it makes things better I'll let you cover Rachel in vasoline again. :)

[TimurCivan]

:) Rachel wont be happy......

[Mark Harris]

Well, I can always let you grease up one of the other girls, you know, just for fun...:)

So today we are dressing the set and tonight pre-lighting for tomorrow's shoot.

We have a kick-ass crew, with many of the usual suspects turning out for this one.

Wish us luck!

[Matt Sconce]

Well, I can always let you grease up one of the other girls, you know, just for fun...:)

So today we are dressing the set and tonight pre-lighting for tomorrow's shoot.

We have a kick-ass crew, with many of the usual suspects turning out for this one.

Wish us luck!

Good luck! Have a great shoot!

[cinealma]

Yes, good luck on your shoot tomorrow!

[Mark Harris]

Day 1 down. And we were ahead of schedule so actually grabbed two shots from tomorrow's shoot!

And there were elements I had some doubts about, not because I thought we couldn't do them, but because I hadn't seen them done yet. But everything, from the make-up to other special effects, to the camera work, came out exactly as planned.

And the hours of rehearsal I spent with our lead paid off, because she was able to hit every beat over and over again.

Good shoot today Timur!!!!!

"Did you bring the tapes?" I know I was mad, but I laugh about it now. If only we had BTS footage for that moment... :)

:):)

[Mark Harris]

Also, want to welcome to the team, FlintMI, you know that loud-mouthed SOB who's always getting in trouble around here? Maybe that's part of why we love him so much...

In addtion to production support on previous shoots, FlintMI provided a great song for my last short. He's a multi-talented bonus to the team.

Don't drink too late tonight, bastid!

[TimurCivan]

thanks man, i have a pack of 5 next to my car keys, phone, glasses and medication..... ( jk about the medication)

This folks is why it pays to triple check things.... For example did you bring tapes?

[FlintMI]

eh, I decided not to go out, even though the bar is right next to my house. I gotta get some rest. this weekend was a mess with the crash, the movie premiere, and everything else. ugh.

see you all in a few hours.

[TimurCivan]

what crash?

[FlintMI]

Comair is one of my clients and one my pilots died in the KLEX crash. Don't know if the other is going to make it.

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

not to make light of the current subject ... but you guys can still use my crane if you need it / want it .... Mark it's like the 35mm adaptors - easy learning curve and once you try it you'll love it.

[Mark Harris]

Thanks Jack, I think we are knee deep in it now though, and won't have time to come over and get it. We'll rig something, most likely Timur hangning from the ceiling like a bat! :)

Day Two here we come!

[TimurCivan]

yo seriously.... i nearly was killed by that rickety stool today... The increadible shot angle was worth it..... but still.

[Mark Harris]

Stop bitching. One death on set is totally worth the bad-assed footage we got today.

[TimurCivan]

Dude i CCed a grab.... i shatmyself. then cried got scared and shatmyself again.




Stop bitching. One death on set is totally worth the bad-assed footage we got today.


BWhahahaha

[Mark Harris]

Send it.

[Mark Harris]

Muhahahaha!!!!! Primary photography DONE. Only one more short shoot date to schedule!!!!!! Shoot went very very smooth, with the most kick-ass cast and crew I could have hoped for.

M

[TimurCivan]

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2750/1157071391.jpg


-Painting by timur civan.

[Mark Harris]

Just want to say, Timur Fucking Civan outdid himself on this one, as did FlintMI, Steve, Nina, Leah, Rachel, Godfrey, Sarah, the list goes on. I cannot wait to show the great work everyone did.

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

stop teasing us by emailing grabs to each other and post one doods!

[Mark Harris]

Not a chance. We have agreed that to do so would seriously dilute the power of the images we got. Nope, you're gonna have to wait, sucka.

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

bastard ... so when you finally land a commercial release you will only advertise on radio?
:badputer:

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Seems like you are missing a golden opportunity to practice marketing in visual medium with visual materials without blowing your load.


..... bastid.

:violent5:

You could also just show a dialogue scene with cool lighting and CC BEFORE the 50 foot phallus bursts from the main character's forehead and starts killing people.

Come on DUDE!

OK, I'll shut up now.

[MOVIE STUNTS]

Ok i waited long enough to post on this one, but when i saw your banner i couldn't stop laughing. "This ain't no manhole" Man I hope not! Ok back to laughing...

[Mark Harris]

bastard ... so when you finally land a commercial release you will only advertise on radio?
:badputer:

Yeah, it will go somehing like this:

"they are the gentlest creatures on earth...but this summer, they are really, really pissed off..."

:)

Nah, I'm not worried. I am confident that when we release it, the title will drive traffic, and I am very proud of the work everyone did and think the quality of the work will drive more and more people once people start talking about it. Regardless of who wins this contest, we have something we are extremely proud to show off. Timur and I turned out to be a very good team, I think, because he likes to focus on Photography, making images, and I like to focus on character, story, and acting. I think we compliment each other pretty well.

And what I said to Flint was I think people will be surprised. Man-Hole is a sit-com and should be judged as such. But this is the first FILM people here will have seen me write and direct. And in fact, this might be the first FILM people have seen Timur DP here. I don't know what else he has up.

[Mark Harris]

Ok i waited long enough to post on this one, but when i saw your banner i couldn't stop laughing. "This ain't no manhole" Man I hope not! Ok back to laughing...

Muhahahahaha!!!

[Beat Takeshi]

Good luck with the contest!!
Sorry I couldn't help, I guess I'm not as mobil as I thought I was going to be.

[Mark Harris]

Thanks Aram. You were there in spirit and in dolly. I cannot wait to show you this stuff. It's almost as cool as G-Fella!!!!!

[TimurCivan]

we're cooler than Gfella.....

And aram, you were there in spirit. Youre Greek God Kookyloris was there with me, helping me light.

[Mark Harris]

I call him Cookie, cause you know, we're tight like that.

[Jarred Land]

guided back on track, thanks John and Jack.

everyone play nice now.

[Alex DePew]

I can't wait to see this film! I know you will put out a killer movie. I am happy to say that several people from this movie are working on my horrorfest entry and it will be all that much the better because of it. The NY DVXuser crew is a force of nature. We are a really tight group. Without their help these films wouldn't be nearly as smooth nor as fun.

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Yep this thing is gonna rock NO DOUBT about it.

[Brandon Rice]

Can't wait fellas! :)

and thanks Jarred/Jack/John

[J.R. Hudson]

guided back on track, thanks John and Jack.

everyone play nice now.

Crazy ass people :nads: :love4:

[MOVIE STUNTS]

Ain't no indellables here:)

[J.R. Hudson]

I agree

No indelibles here

[MOVIE STUNTS]

Whare's the damn grabs already?

John, thanks for the spelling fix. lol

[FlintMI]

Grabs Are Up!

[Mark Harris]

I can't wait to see this film! I know you will put out a killer movie. I am happy to say that several people from this movie are working on my horrorfest entry and it will be all that much the better because of it. The NY DVXuser crew is a force of nature. We are a really tight group. Without their help these films wouldn't be nearly as smooth nor as fun.

Yeah, ours is the horror fest entry where people DON'T have to get up at the crack of dawn to be on set...AHEM. :)

M

[TimurCivan]

You know i actually stayed up all night. couldnt sleep a wink. would up watching bladerunner....

youre gonn ahve a sleepy focus puller Alex.

[TimurCivan]

There will be no grabs. that painting on page 5 is all you get.

[Mark Harris]

I don't want it to sound like we've made the greatest thing since Howard the Duck here, but we are confident that many of the images are quite shocking and truely horrifying, and to put up grabs and give people pre-conceptions, hurts us more than helps. I honestly do think people will enjoy it more going into it blnd.

But as I said, when we reveal the title, that alone will be something a lot of people recognize and will drive them to at least give it a chance.

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Dude it's 7 AM there ... go to bed afro head.

You too Tiny tim!

[Mark Harris]

Dude, I just got up to work on Alex's horror fest!!!!!! About to walk the dog and head out to pick up Steve.

[Mark Harris]

Grabs added to first post. Will update the title to that of the movie shortly.

[TimurCivan]

Hahah.... you picked the "least interesting" shots from the movie...... Oh man... wait till you guys actually see something.

[Mark Harris]

Didn't want to give too much away, you know...

[TimurCivan]

heh he heh....

[Matt Sconce]

Thanks! I like em!

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Mary is scary.

[TimurCivan]

Yea that statue creeped me out something fierce.

[Brandon Rice]

Cool grabs guys!!!

[Mark Harris]

Added some details and grabs about the make-up process to the first post. Be sure to ask questions if you have them. We tackled some cool stuff in this process. Also, getting Timur to post about the SGPro/lenses/settings, etc. for the look he wanted.

[TimurCivan]

yea i mgonna do a big workflow breakdown in combination with lighting desighn notes and some Story borads and how it related to the shots. Will write it all up in a few hours. Enjoy our BtS guys.

[cinealma]

Bloody Mary. I like it! I like it!

Are the eyes on the statue going to move? If they do, I'll sh*t my pants!


John G.

[VersuS]

Great stuff !!! Love the make-up process!!

[Mark Harris]

Thanks to John Hudson for changing our thread title for us. Yes, it took an intervention by one of the DVXUser Gods to get that done.

[Brandon Rice]

WOW! Nice title!

[VersuS]

with a title and theme like this one you might get the vatican pissed at you and gain some extra publicity!! maybe you should leak this thread to a priest

[Mark Harris]

with a title and theme like this one you might get the vatican pissed at you and gain some extra publicity!! maybe you should leak this thread to a priest

Did I mention we were funded by the Church of Satan? :):) I will of course be going to hell after this, but for the chance to win an HVX...Hmmm it might be worth it. Soul...HVX...soul...HVX...:)

[cinealma]

Did I mention we were funded by the Church of Satan? :):)

:eek::eek::eek:



John G.

[Ramon Boutviseth]

looking forward to this entry :)

[TimurCivan]

Soul......hvx......... Soul..........hvx..........Soul.........hvx....... ......HVX!

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Added some details and grabs about the make-up process to the first post. Be sure to ask questions if you have them. We tackled some cool stuff in this process. Also, getting Timur to post about the SGPro/lenses/settings, etc. for the look he wanted.

yea i mgonna do a big workflow breakdown in combination with lighting desighn notes and some Story borads and how it related to the shots. Will write it all up in a few hours. Enjoy our BtS guys.

I would like to know as much as possible about your makeup and blood effects. I know you don't want to give too much away, but just from a technical standpoint.

[Mark Harris]

I would like to know as much as possible about your makeup and blood effects. I know you don't want to give too much away, but just from a technical standpoint.

I will try to post some more later today. I can easily give the blood recipe too. It's probably the most common one out there, and you probably know it already from theater. But when I come back later, I will post the ratios of ingredients and such. And will try to get some more up about the prosthetics too.

Have to run out for a while now.

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Were there like pumps or squibs or anything invlolved with the blood though?

[TimurCivan]

well there was the blood flame thrower and mechanised decaptation machine......

jk

[MOVIE STUNTS]

Ok.. Those grabs are awesome. Bloody Mary huh? This should be interesting.

[TimurCivan]

Coming from a contemporary art background, my aesthetic sensibility is very very very specific. Every milimete of film plane is controlled as much a possible.
Thsi sensibiliy carries over into this current project as much as possible. We tried our best to make sure there was a consistent and unrelenting visual thrust in
the film. Mark approached me with the idea of joiningforces on this project after we worked together on his film Manhole-IV. Origionally i was going to
create somethign with less of a narritivre and more of a montage of horrific images based on an old Turkish folk tale. I read Marks script, which was refined and of high quality, and descided to apply the special effects, and cinematic elements i wanted to create in my project and apply it to his narritive. In terms of lighting, i wanted a theatrical, and almost abstract lighting scheme during selected segments of the film. I believe abstraction of the image is crucial to create psychological tension. I looked to Sue DeBeer and Bill Viola, Video artists, for inspiration on the lighting scheme. For other segments i looked to Nuri Bilge Ceyleyan, DP and director for the Film "Distant". Ceyleyan uses Incedentals as keys and allows darkness to be a force unto itslef. Powerful stuff.

I canot stress how important it is for you to be accustomed to your Gear, practice, and story board. Organization pre shoot is what makes or beaks picture. thsi way you dont have to compramise your shots because of schedule restrictions. you know exactly what you can do, and when. We were shooting on the SGpro, almost exclusivly
and having been shooting stills for 10 years i know my lenses inside and out. This was a huge help because i could block shots knowing the limitations of the scene, lighting, space, and be able to select exactly what look i was going for in my head, and knowing exactly whcih lens would do the trick. Below are some of the Storyboards, and the accompanying stills. granted the locations were still a mystery to me at the time, so some of the elemnets changed, however the basic framing is about exactly where i was imagining. Granted the grabs i have dont match the exact moment in time of the Story board. but these shots were in there.



http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2750/1157402114.jpg
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2750/1157399753.jpg



http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2750/1157402195.jpg
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2750/1157402226.jpg


http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2750/1157402273.jpg
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2750/1157402298.jpg


For the actual filming, we had a production monitor upsidedown to help with exposure and continuty, and most MOST importantly, to make sure the Focus was perfect. Focusing using the EVDTL is good in a pinch but not or critical shots.or extraordinarily shallow DOF. which because of the dark nature of the film, was used often because the lenses were left wide open to ensure proper exposure. Now alot of people treat the 35 adapter as a "filter", where as because the lenses are so familair to me, i treat it as a different camera. the lenses operate as they should. their natural effects and "defects" are part of their charachter and help add an organic feel to the digital image. Also, The Sgpro because of it s Unique GG material, trandsmits more light that i think just about any 35adapter. with my F1.2 lens, in total i am only really losing about 1.5 stops of light. Half stop throughthe SG, 1 stop through the lens. actually about T2.0 but still its very useable. we even managed to go Ala Barry lyndon and shoot by candle lightwith an accptable image. My secret to good lowlight is, the shutter speed. set the synchro scan to 1/33 or 1/30th of a second. IT buys you a half stop back, and still has the 24P stutter without being to smeary. thsi way a simple boost in post gets you al you need.

But for most of the filming we over lit wit plans to bring it down later. This way the imges are cleaner, and with more definintion.

More soon.....

[Matt Sconce]

This sounds awesome! I love the name, and thanks for the detailed info!

[FlintMI]

Were there like pumps or squibs or anything invlolved with the blood though?

none, but it was so "real" that it caused problems. I'll let Mark or Timur elaborate! :)

I even gave the recipe to my doctor, who is going to use it... wait a minute I forgot to ask what she is using it for.... strange

[TimurCivan]

yea the blood was nice.

[FlintMI]

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2939/1157387177.jpg

timur and rachel sittin' in a tree, l-a-t-e-x-i-n-g

First comes the mix,
Then comes the mold

When she starts to act, everyone is scared cold

(true story)

[TimurCivan]

that girl is an awesome actresss.

[Brandon Rice]

heehee lol... cool BTS stuff!

[MOVIE STUNTS]

Ok now I really really really really want to see this movie.

[TimurCivan]

Jeez... so do i... i wanna see it put together....

[Mark Harris]

Ok now I really really really really want to see this movie.

Muhahahahahaha!!!!!

[Mark Harris]

Were there like pumps or squibs or anything invlolved with the blood though?

No squibs, but we did pump blood at one point. But it was a remarkably low-tech solution. Just like surgical tubes and Timur blowing through one end at the right pressure to get the effect we wanted (Insert Timur blowing joke here!).

In the end, I think keeping it as simple as possible is the best. For instance, check out Timur's reflector for the CU shot of the Virgin statue in my sig:

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2939/1157432206.jpg

Yes, he is using the actual storyboards as a reflector. In general, this is my favorite part about working with that guy: he just has no rules. If it gets the image, he'll do it.

[TimurCivan]

"oh hey... nice fill light o nthat actors face... was that a HMI from across teh street..???"

-"No it was a piece of insulation material i found on the street held near his face."

[Mark Harris]

"oh hey... nice fill light o nthat actors face... was that a HMI from across teh street..???"

-"No it was a piece of insulation material i found on the street held near his face."

What is that from?

[TimurCivan]

This director i know in Turkey, he shoots like Coca Cola/Deutche Bank commercials, wins awards all the time, and people ask him abut how he gts beautiful imagery. Like for example in one scene, a soccer ball hits the ground in a Coke commercial, but it hits the ground so hard its like an earthquake. and the image vibrates.

A insider magazine asked hi how he got that great effect, whether it was in an After effects like program or if he used a shake plate, liek a vibrator yo uattach to the camer that makes perfect shakes. his reply way " i kicked the tripod really hard"

That line was kinda based on his thinking.

[Mark Harris]

Rough Cut done. Now starting to trim it down so that I know where we will have to ADR.

[TimurCivan]

and im Working on the poster. This should be a fun night.

[MOVIE MASTER]

Is This A Movie Called "there's Something About Mary"

[MOVIE MASTER]

Cool Title! Nice Lighting!

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

This movie will ride on the dashboard of your soul!

[TimurCivan]

and then make you drive your car into an embankment.....

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

and not one of those crumpling kind of safety embankments -- the kind made of cement mixed the feces of Anton Levay!

[HybridCreations]

Can't wait to see this. You guys got me excited about learning how to create scarier images. "Timur's Tips" (:)) are wonderfully practical and definitely pushed me during Alex's shoot. Love that bit about the abstract lighting on the previous page. Keep 'em coming.

[Alex DePew]

I concur. I can't wait to see what you guys come up with. I am sure to be amazed. Especially after the litte screenshot I was shown that tells me how much detail went into this movie. Mark and Timur are both talented individually and combined are like Voltron, a force to be reckoned with. Good thing I got their help on my short! And let me tell you they were both a tremendous help. That just goes to show that when it comes to helping out a friend and fellow DVXuser it is not about the competition but about being a stand up guy, which everyone on my set was. Except for the women, who were attractive, classy professionals who acted their arses off.

By the way, if you haven't seen Manhole IV and are just catching up with the end of this thread, go here. (http://www.desperatecomfort.com/phpwcms/index.php?id=20,54,0,0,1,0) This is the latest installment in a hilarious series by Mark Harris (Desperatecomfort).

"Gotcha Bitch!"

[Mark Harris]

Thanks for the kind words Alex. When you throwing up a thread of your own?

Also, I got your voice mail, just been swamped. Will give you a shout in the next couple of days.

[Brandon Rice]

Is This A Movie Called "there's Something About Mary"

with embalming fluid!!!!!:thumbsup:

[TimurCivan]

Getting there with the poster..... Once it passes the "Harris" test it will be posted.

[Mark Harris]

A couple of BTS grabs. I give you:

The Dunkin' Donuts Mattebox, courtesy of FlintMI:

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2939/1157601248.jpg

And is this the man himself...with a TURKEY BASTER? Is this a Man-Hole (http://www.desperatecomfort.com/phpwcms/index.php?manhole) movie?

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2939/1157601259.jpg

Oh yeah, and rub-a-dub-dub, two men and a DVX in a tub...

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2939/1157601526.jpg

Finally, actors doing what they do best...

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2939/1157601855.jpg

[Mark Harris]

Poster added to top of the thread.

[Weston]

Very cool poster...and shots. It looks like you guys are putting alot of work into this.

[MOVIE STUNTS]

Nice blood on white, is that a John Woo tribute? Anybody see a dove. JK, I think it fits well with the whole catholic feel.

[Mark Harris]

I was thinking more Pink Floyd, myself...:) Timur did the poster, so he should answer about his influences...

[Weston]

yes that does have a bit of "the wall" look to it.

[Brandon Rice]

hm.. wow! Nice poster fellas... really almost sickening with that blood on that pure white background. Love it.

[TimurCivan]

Ralph Steadman was the main influence. I am pretty sure He influences the Pink Flloyd stuff too. Although Roger waters and the rest of the pink floyd group were all very good artists as well.

[Mark Harris]

Yeah, Steadman is right on. But I think Scarfe did the Wall stuff for them. A lot of people think it was Steadman.

[TheatreGuy]

Hey guys! Love what you are doing! Looks like fun a project. And the poster is striking. (I, too, started humming The Wall when I first saw it.)

And that episode of Manhole was great! I kept reading about Manhole... I'm glad I finally got a taste of it. (uh... that didn't quite come out like I meant it! :Drogar-Shock(DBG): )

Looking forward to BLOODY MARY!

[steve2bees]

I like the crazy-eye double o's in "Bloody." Good work on the poster, Timur.

[Mark Harris]

And that episode of Manhole was great! I kept reading about Manhole... I'm glad I finally got a taste of it. (uh... that didn't quite come out like I meant it! :Drogar-Shock(DBG): )


Yeah, the title is cleverly designed so that no matter how you use it in a sentence, it comes out wrong :)

[Mark Harris]

I like the crazy-eye double o's in "Bloody." Good work on the poster, Timur.

Haha, look who showed up!

Dude, that BTS stuff you got was amazing. I saw you with the camera, but I had no idea how much you actually covered. Very very happy stuff. Thanks!

[TimurCivan]

I like the crazy-eye double o's in "Bloody." Good work on the poster, Timur.

Hey steve! thanks!

[FlintMI]

Haha, look who showed up!

Dude, that BTS stuff you got was amazing. I saw you with the camera, but I had no idea how much you actually covered. Very very happy stuff. Thanks!

steve-o!

...was really straining to get the angles... can't wait to see it.

Mark please please edit my two-pints-of-ben-jerrys-ice-cream-a-day fat ass out of it. :grin:

[FlintMI]

you guys like how the sig turned out? me likey transparent.

wish they didn't have the default little white line there, but ohs wells.

[TimurCivan]

looks great Shawn :)

[Beat Takeshi]

Mark please please edit my two-pints-of-ben-jerrys-ice-cream-a-day fat ass out of it. :grin:

NO FREAKING WAY DUDE. LEAVE THAT FOOTAGE IN THERE SO I CAN GET TO IT!!!:evil:

[TimurCivan]

hahaha..... The last thing you are is fat..... Ladies and Gents, Shawn (flintMI) looks like a skinnier version of Dr. House, with cool glasses.

[Alex DePew]

hahaha..... The last thing you are is fat..... Ladies and Gents, Shawn (flintMI) looks like a skinnier version of Dr. House, with cool glasses.


Damn, that is true! He is skinny indeed. If you ever saw the video of a stick figure beating the hell out of a bunch of other stick figures, that was Shawn (FlintMI).

[FlintMI]

Damn, that is true! He is skinny indeed. If you ever saw the video of a stick figure beating the hell out of a bunch of other stick figures, that was Shawn (FlintMI).


ROFL (in between scoops of Ben and Jerry's Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough ice cream)

now back to the regularly scheduled program of blood and guts. :grin:

[FlintMI]

hahaha..... The last thing you are is fat..... Ladies and Gents, Shawn (flintMI) looks like a skinnier version of Dr. House, with cool glasses.

Timur is lucky and has a very original look that doesn't resemble any damn celebrity. I racked my brain; he looks like no one I could think of. :undecided

...and with cooler glasses. :thumbsup:

[TimurCivan]

You know thats funny you mention that, because to this day noone has ever said "Hey you look like ________"

[Mark Harris]

All right, now we are looking for a composer. I will start contacting people, but if anyone is interested...and brilliant...

[Alex DePew]

You know thats funny you mention that, because to this day noone has ever said "Hey you look like ________"


Well I ran your face through a website that scans to see what celeb you look like and it came up with these.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/12185/1157697007.jpg

I think Elvis Costello is the closest.

This is the website.
http://www.myheritage.com/FP/Company/celebrities.php

[TimurCivan]

i'll take Gary oldman.




I ran this picture... With no glasses:
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2750/1157698382.jpg


I just got mtched to SCarlett Johansen, Jewel a buncha women i dont know....... And marlong brando from Streetcar... Woo hoo. I guess im pretty...... HAhaha

[TimurCivan]

All right, now we are looking for a composer. I will start contacting people, but if anyone is interested...and brilliant...


Yes a composer is very important as i nor mark as far as i know have any musical talent. Infact i have such little talent in usic that my first grade teacher confiscated my recorder during musiv class. i would up with the job of collecting the imstruments.

[TimurCivan]

MArk im starting to record sound effects. Gimme a list of anyhting you may need based on the edit. like Doors opening closing etc.

[Mark Harris]

Hey steve! thanks!

Hey Timur, you know Steve's a pappa now? He just brought his baby home the other day...

[TimurCivan]

yea i know...... i wanna babysit.

[steve2bees]

Yup, I may need some parenting tips.



PapaDonna and child
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/18029/1157769491.jpg

[TimurCivan]

That pretty Effing awesome Steve!

Wait that doesnt look photo shopped..... You actually took that picture didint you.....

[steve2bees]

That pretty Effing awesome Steve!

Wait that doesnt look photo shopped..... You actually took that picture didint you.....
Affirmative. Just a little family snapshot....

Timur, how are you recording your sound effects. Mic with DVX or some dedicated recording device?

[TimurCivan]

My shot gun mic attached to the DVX. The audio on DV when in 16bit format is teh same as a dedicated "DAT" recorder. its phenominal quality.

[Mark Harris]

Yup, I may need some parenting tips.



PapaDonna and child
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/18029/1157769491.jpg

ummmm...creepy.

[Beat Takeshi]

You get better imaging if you hook up 2 mics and spread them some.

[TimurCivan]

oh i dont have 2 mics...... lol

[Herman Witkam]

You get better imaging if you hook up 2 mics and spread them some.

The mic choice should depend on the type of effect that is being recorded. I do low frequency stuff in mono mostly, as no imaging is needed. For high frequency FX I mostly do stereo at short distance, to eliminate the acoustics of the recording room a bit (even though there are little acoustics left from using dampening material). Spreaded mics (A/B) isn't neccesarily the best solution. It's true that A/B provides a nice stereo image, but if you need a more stable center use X/Y (mics put together and moved away 90 degrees from each other). This technique (like A/B) is best done with cardioid condenser or cardioid dynamic mics.

[Mark Harris]

You get better imaging if you hook up 2 mics and spread them some.


Huh-huh-huh-hu, he said spread.

[TheatreGuy]

Yup, I may need some parenting tips.



PapaDonna and child
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/18029/1157769491.jpg
Looks like that dvx is in good hands! :grin:

That is very funny. Reminds me of some of my impromptu camera rigs! Great for getting that close-up of baby Jesus!

[TimurCivan]

Steve you spoiled the movie!!!!!!!! that was the great tour de force scene!!!

[steve2bees]

Yes, well, as you can see, I'm having a hard time breaking character. I think I may need therapy. Go easy on me.

[TimurCivan]

The mic choice should depend on the type of effect that is being recorded. I do low frequency stuff in mono mostly, as no imaging is needed. For high frequency FX I mostly do stereo at short distance, to eliminate the acoustics of the recording room a bit (even though there are little acoustics left from using dampening material). Spreaded mics (A/B) isn't neccesarily the best solution. It's true that A/B provides a nice stereo image, but if you need a more stable center use X/Y (mics put together and moved away 90 degrees from each other). This technique (like A/B) is best done with cardioid condenser or cardioid dynamic mics.


thanks for the info Herman! I missed this post before..

[Beat Takeshi]

The mic choice should depend on the type of effect that is being recorded. I do low frequency stuff in mono mostly, as no imaging is needed. For high frequency FX I mostly do stereo at short distance, to eliminate the acoustics of the recording room a bit (even though there are little acoustics left from using dampening material). Spreaded mics (A/B) isn't neccesarily the best solution. It's true that A/B provides a nice stereo image, but if you need a more stable center use X/Y (mics put together and moved away 90 degrees from each other). This technique (like A/B) is best done with cardioid condenser or cardioid dynamic mics.

What type of low frequency sounds do you record? Things like rumbling trains and such?
I like using 2 mics all the time because you can seprate the track if it sounds better with just one and if the imaging sounds nicer you have it. I also found that using 2 different brands of mics has (to me) a very nice image. Like if one mic records low levels and one records higher better, when you put them together it sounds so....deep.

[TimurCivan]

i need a new mic

[Herman Witkam]

What type of low frequency sounds do you record? Things like rumbling trains and such?

I'm now talking low sounds I record internally, such as sounds I mix and mangle around with to create impacts and to add more low end to footsteps and other foley.


I like using 2 mics all the time because you can seprate the track if it sounds better with just one and if the imaging sounds nicer you have it. I also found that using 2 different brands of mics has (to me) a very nice image. Like if one mic records low levels and one records higher better, when you put them together it sounds so....deep.

Stereo imaging is mostly of most importance to high & high mid frequencies. The lower the frequency, the less important the imaging is. This is due to the way these lower frequency waves travel through air (which rather travels in all directions than more in a single direction the way high frequencies do). It can get very irritating though to have a bass guitar only come out of the left speaker, as a lot of energy would be coming from that speaker, so the panning is still of importance down to a certain frequency, where it's not even possible any more to hear where the sound source is.

Every mic has it's maximum dB level that it can handle, and a noise level the mic itself produces. The further these are apart, the higher the 'signal to noise ratio'. So mics with a lower self noise would be better at capturing soft sound sources.

When doing a stereo recording, In most cases it's best to use a matched pair (same type, mostly sold together). To get that deep low end, an easy wat to do so is to use two small-diaphragm condensers (for instance a matched pair of Rode NT5's) and run them through a nice clean sounding pre-amp and record 24 bit.

Also, for all you cinematographers, you should see a mic as a camera. Zoom in, and you'll capture that fraction of the sound. Zoom out, and you'll capture the whole thing. Zoom out even more, and you'll capture the whole room with it. The best way to test this is to move around the mic(s) and monitor what you're doing, using a neutral pair of headphones, of monitor speakers.

[TimurCivan]

Wow, collecting clean sound was much much harder tha ni thought i wwas gonna be. Much respect to real foley artists. They must have one Quiet ass room....

[Mark Harris]

Well, now that he's introduced himself with some crazy low frequency knowledge, I would like to welcome Herman Witkam to the Bloody Mary team. I showed him the rough cut of the movie and he liked it enough to want to be invovled. I am very very excited to hear what he comes up with.

[TimurCivan]

:) !!!!!!!!!!!!

[SCARY STUFF!]

This movie already scaring even me.
Now with Herman you guys make movie too scary for humans to watch.

[Mark Harris]

How come SCARY STUFF talk like Captain Caveman?

[SCARY STUFF!]

Captain Caveman and Scary Stuff have same I.P. address.

[cinealma]

How come SCARY STUFF talk like Captain Caveman?

At least he's not talking like that Curly wannabe, Jabberjaws!


John G.

[TimurCivan]

SCARY STUFF, MOVIE MASTER's Brother?

[Beat Takeshi]

I used to love that cartoon Captain Caveman. I'm doing the yell as I write this (in my head).

[TimurCivan]

CAPTAIN CAVEMAuauauauauauauauauN!!!!!!

[Alex DePew]

http://www.pureimagination.co.uk/captaincaveman/images/cavey2.wav

[TimurCivan]

awesome.

[TimurCivan]

de pew your avatar is the most horrible ting ive ever seen.

[Alex DePew]

de pew your avatar is the most horrible ting ive ever seen.

Horrible good, yes?

[TimurCivan]

Baby going to eat my face......

[zoopraxiscope]

This makeup effects on this project look like they are going to be really good.

[TimurCivan]

Yea the make up was a big deal on this. we are doing minimal Computer generated effects. the only thing we did in computer was one brief Green screen shot. We wanted to get the effects to a point where the actors can react to a real walking thing. not a mock up or a stand in. i want that person to talking to the charachter infront of them.

[Mark Harris]

Yea the make up was a big deal on this. we are doing minimal Computer generated effects. the only thing we did in computer was one brief Green screen shot. We wanted to get the effects to a point where the actors can react to a real walking thing. not a mock up or a stand in. i want that person to talking to the charachter infront of them.

Yeah, I hope they have the effect we want on the audience. Nina said tht one of our things looked scarier in real life than it did in the rough. But regardless, I think the make-up effects really served the story perfectly. It was a good match of me writing something down and giving it to Timur to interpret visually with his sculpture/art background.

[TimurCivan]

wait till yo uguys hear the music its beautiful.

[Alex DePew]

Go to bed! It's 3:12am! I should do the same! I tried to pm you but it said your inbox was full. If you don't go to bed my avatar baby will eat your face.

[TimurCivan]

empty

[Mark Harris]

Quick update:

We are in post now. the edit is nearly ready. I've been taking feedback from various trusted sources.

Also working with Herman, the composer on getting the score settled. He's provided some amazing stuff.

Next is the looping and there are two small compositing shots to do.

Oh, and one small scene left to shoot this Friday.

I will post some more grabs and BTS stuff later on tonight.

[Brandon Rice]

Quick update:

We are in post now. the edit is nearly ready. I've been taking feedback from various trusted sources.

Also working with Herman, the composer on getting the score settled. He's provided some amazing stuff.

Next is the looping and there are two small compositing shots to do.

Oh, and one small scene left to shoot this Friday.

I will post some more grabs and BTS stuff later on tonight.

Cool stuff! Can't wait to see those grabs!

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Yah, same here.

[SCARY STUFF!]

Me too!
You show grab now!

[Brandon Rice]

LOL Scary Stuff.

[TimurCivan]

OK here you go "Not JDS" SCARYSTUFF!

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2750/1158087102.jpg


Thats actually from an HVX.......

[SCARY STUFF!]

You not shoot HVX on this. What that grab from?
You and Mark trip to Happy Ending massage parlor?
I not think that from your movie.
You confuse Scary Stuff.

[Mark Harris]

You not shoot HVX on this. What that grab from?
You and Mark trip to Happy Ending massage parlor?
I not think that from your movie.
You confuse Scary Stuff.

Maybe we did shoot HVX, SCARY....You never know...

But that is a photo from the trip to the massage parlor. We just took an HVX there with us too.

[SCARY STUFF!]

HVX need relax too sometime.

[Mark Harris]

you have no idea

[Mark Harris]

A couple new grabs. Still no cc or post.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2939/1158106850.jpg
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2939/1158106670.jpg
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2939/1158106809.jpg

[Beat Takeshi]

That HVX grab of mark has some serious banding in the reds.

Those screenies remind me of "Carrie".

[TimurCivan]

ACtually that grab of mark is an HVX. but i believe we were demonstrating how bad an image you can possibly make on Video. 12DB gain, under a dim red light.... in DV

[TimurCivan]

hey even i havent seen thoes grabs!

[Edgen]

hell ya! I dig the screen caps. Sooo many great movies to watch coming up so sooon!

those shots makes you wonder... what in the holy smokes is going on here!? :)

/j

[TimurCivan]

i saw a zip line over that lake edgen. i can only hope it gets used.

[Edgen]

i saw a zip line over that lake edgen. i can only hope it gets used.

:beer:

Good eye Timur! No one has yet to point that out.

/j

[TimurCivan]

DAmn right..... it interrupted the view of thoes beautiful trees.

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

grabs looking good guys.
can't wait!

[Mark Harris]

hey even i havent seen thoes grabs!

Well if you weren't so busy shopping for P2 cards and shit, you might notice these things :)

[TimurCivan]

WEll im sorry..... ;)

[TimurCivan]

OK you guys Gearing up for our last hurrah shoot. The pre-cut looks Great, i am convincced that mark is my new favorite editor. Even after this fest im hiring him to cut everythign i do. hes clean precise and efficent. the guy is great.

[Mark Harris]

Thanks Timur. Your $20 is in the mail for that endorsement.

[TimurCivan]

cha ching!

[Mark Harris]

Yeah, gearing up. I just went and bought a costume piece I'd bought before, and returned, thinking we were done with it. D'oh!

But yeah, psyched. After tomorrow, we have all the footage. Then by Sunday, I will have the edit timing locked, and we can proceed with Color correcting, and the amazing score Herman's cooking up for us.

[TimurCivan]

THis is something i wrote up for marks other movie thread. But the laws still apply to Bloody Mary. ITs about The Workflow with the 35 Adapter. Enjoy:

Actually i have worked with three 35mm adapters. Sgpro, Brevis35, Letus 35a, and the soon to be released Go35.

The Sgpro, Go35, and brevis recieving my top nod in terms of performance.

The Sgpro i have needs some work however. the Achromat is not quite up to par for the quality im looking for because of the fact that my SGpro is a Hybrid model, some thing like a tricked out honda, while technichally as fast as a real sports car, it has its limitations. The Sgpro Hybrid i have has all the SGpro parts with exception of the Achromat. And thats its weak point. but this goes only for my specific copy. I actually have the Very First "Sgpro". I am retro fitting it with a Redrock M2 HD achromat. it will then be unstopable.

AS far as work flow, i really now rely on a Production monitor, and my tried and tested lenses. My favorite being a 55mm F1.2 Canon FD. This is the Jewel of my Lens collection, follwoed very quickly by a Quirky, vingeting, low quality 17-28mm Wide Zoom, that i have fallen in love with. i love its warm organic and visually stunning charachteristics. Immedialtly after this i Trust my 24mm F2.8 CAnon FD, as my stock lens of choice. I love its image charachteristics. Sharp, but still capable of shallow DOF, and wide enough to see everythign and help you compose Visually interesting composition, but without any added lens articfacts ot the image, like barrel distortion or chorma abbrasion, or worse, resolution losss at the corners.

I ahve been shooting Photos since i was 13, and using manual focus SLR type CAnon AE1 Program, running FD lenses. the lenses are second nature to me, and each one has a personality, some like being pushed hard in some situations and others fall apart under certian lighting conditions. My 55m F1.2 gives me the best performance though all its Fstop ranges, and is also the brightest lens you can get for under 1000$.

There were many siuation where i have beeen shooting with candle light though my F1.2, and the SGpro ( which is one of the lowest in light loss) with the DVX at full wide and the Shuter at 1/33 a second. ( FYI set your synchroscan to 1/33 for lowlight, it gives you an extra half stop, and still preserves the motion cadence accuratly.) and still managed to get a VERY reasonable and natural looking picture. its dark, but it looks like candle light with good sharpness and color reproduction. thanks to both the SGpro's secret GG material, which provides a STUNNING trandslation of colors, to the CCD's and the Canon Glass which gives color a natural, yet somewhat nosstalgic look. Similar to the color pallete of Napoleon Dynamite. thats what i think Canon glass looks like. very muted, but very accurate.

The work flow is sometimes complicated, as i am often dolleying Focus pulling, and controling exposure, all while looking at a Monitor Upside down. But for the quality of the image, its all worth it. Look at Manhole IV. this was my first Serious foray in to workign exclusivly with 35mm lenses on DV. I hav made other projects using it but non this laden with it.

Mark harris and i's next project, for Horror fest, is shot EXCLUSIVLY on 35mm adapter, however under the proper conditions. this is careful lighting, proper motivated camera movement, and An extreme attention to detail when it comes to composition and the artistic quality of the Film.

All the work i have put into the visual elements of this Horror fest will hopefully reflect and grow upon the work i provided for my friend JAck daniel Stanley on Bonehand. I ahve grown as a DP, and hopefully it will show thourgh.

[concannon]

I am diggin on that poster.....can't wait to see the film.

[TheatreGuy]

Hey TimurCivan, I enjoyed your info above on the 35mm adapter. I just purchased on that I could afford and that was available... the Ed35mm 1.5 (courtesy of Edweirdo). I love that I now have an adapter and look forward to using it. I know that I will learn more as I experiment and play with it but i was just wondering if you had any other info in this site concerning the use of 35 adapters.

The Ed 1.5 is a static adapter and the one that I really want to own one day is the RedRock M2.

BTW, were you the DP Bone Hand? I loved that film!

Thanks again for the info! Many of us appreciate it!!!

[TimurCivan]

yea i shot a few segments. The Outdoor rainscene, and the fight sequence at the door. Hence the 2nd Unit DP credit.

heres more stuff on lenses: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=51963

[Matt Sconce]

A couple new grabs. Still no cc or post.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2939/1158106850.jpg
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2939/1158106670.jpg
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2939/1158106809.jpg

Well the only things you can say about these grabs are.........WOW! They rock! :shocked:

[TimurCivan]

ok Just finihsed shooting the last scene...... it looks great!

[Mark Harris]

Yeah, here are a couple of grabs from today's shoot. We shot the last little bit we needed today:

Time comes out to just about 5:50. Whew! :)

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2939/1158360851.jpg
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2939/1158360877.jpg

Ha ha! This was a shot I added to the shot list as a "nice to have," but MAN am I glad we did it!!!!!
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2939/1158360901.jpg

[TimurCivan]

twinkle in her eye

in scope.....

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/2750/1158361504.jpg

[Mark Harris]

Yep, nice nice!!!!!!!

[Alex DePew]

Wow, nice work guys. Those grabs look really sweet. That last one is a really beautiful shot. Love the Mary in an arch of light image.

[TimurCivan]

T minus 2 weeks.....

[TheatreGuy]

Damn boyz, Those are some mighty fine looking grabs. I love those light scenes.

I wish I had a cast. I am finding it difficult to be behind the camera and in front of it at the same time! Seriously. I know that sounds stupid, like a "duh" statement, but I thought that I could do this all on my own. And I will. Just a big ol' learning experience!

BTW - Your lead looks great. I can't wait to see this.

[TimurCivan]

Leah is unbelievably talented. She is going to be in everyhting i do from now on. lol.

[Mark Harris]

Yeah, I love Leah and am already planning on reading her for a couple more shorts.

[TheatreGuy]

She's got a great look. I can't wait to see her act.

She looks like she could fit into many genres, many types of roles. And she looks perfect in this film.

Nice find!

[Mark Harris]

The Amazing Nina, who also helped on Make-up and producing, hand-picked a bunch of recent grads from Sarah Lawrence College for me to audition. Nina's a theater director too, so I knew going in that everyone I saw could act. But yeah, Leah turned out beyond my wildest expectations.

We only rehearsed for 10 hours, but she really brought an amazing amount of creativity to the role. She brought her own choices, but was very open to discovering new things in rehearsal - as am I. And many of the things she discovered actually made me see the character differently, even though I wrote it in the first place.

[TheatreGuy]

.... And many of the things she discovered actually made me see the character differently, even though I wrote it in the first place.
Gotta love that!

I love rehearsals. Both as an actor and a director... I love that exploration and discovery stage.

Then to go on and nail the role really feels great.

[Mark Harris]

I've heard filmmakers say they don't rehearse, which I really cannot understand. I don't really like to fiddle with performances on set. I like to have them settled and pretty much where they need to be when we get to shooting. There are just too many other things to think about at that point. As a result, we generally wind up not doing too many takes of any one thing. Sometimes new stuff comes up on set, but I don't like to be there all day and night, so I like the performances to be solid going in.

Plus, I'm an actor by training, so working with actors is fun for me.

[TimurCivan]

yea you know we usually only do 2 or 3 takes per scene which is quite surprisingly fast and efficent. the actors usually nail it within 2 takes. Which is good for me because i gt less tired, and can focus on perfecting camera work and lighting.

[Mark Harris]

yea you know we usually only do 2 or 3 takes per scene which is quite surprisingly fast and efficent. the actors usually nail it within 2 takes. Which is good for me because i gt less tired, and can focus on perfecting camera work and lighting.

Be quiet and get your spiderbrace, weakling!!! From now on, it's 12 takes of everything!

[TheatreGuy]

Ouch! What a slave driver!

I find that the best takes for an actor are usually in the first handful... you know, 2-4 takes. It's the crew that sometimes need more! Once, I was an actor on a full length Indy and we did something like 27 takes! It sucked! Two actors with the crew pulling some dolly shot that circled us at a piano. It was insane.

Then, the director had the nerve to tell us a week later (or so) that he ended up using the 3rd take! F*cker! Jeez, it was a long scene and we spent hours and hours on it.

Sorry, side-tracked reliving that nightmare!

[TimurCivan]

Be quiet and get your spiderbrace, weakling!!! From now on, it's 12 takes of everything!


And Reshoots for the hell of it!!!!

[Tom Marshall]

Then, the director had the nerve to tell us a week later (or so) that he ended up using the 3rd take! F*cker! Jeez, it was a long scene and we spent hours and hours on it.

He's not supposed to TELL you which one he used... especially if it was #3... ;)

[Mark Harris]

Final Cut is up. Timur, go check it out. Now it's off to Herman to work the rest of his magic, and on to sound design, including actor looping, and color correction. Finally, we see the light at the end of the tunnel.

[TimurCivan]

Mmmmmmm Bloody tunnel.....

MArk youre getting to me.....

[TimurCivan]

Just watchd the final cut.

It rocks out with its Cock out.

[Lingothree]

Bloody tunnels?

Cocks out?

I'm not sure what I stumbled into here...

Anyhoo...this looks interesting. I'm excited to see what's up with that makeup...

[Mark Harris]

Bloody tunnels?

Cocks out?

I'm not sure what I stumbled into here...

Anyhoo...this looks interesting. I'm excited to see what's up with that makeup...

Yeah, when Timur opens his mouth, this looks more and more like a Man-Hole (http://www.desperatecomfort.com/phpwcms/index.php?manhole) movie...

[Beat Takeshi]

Boyz, get the Vaseline and lets have a party!!!

[VersuS]

Boyz, get the Vaseline and lets have a party!!!


LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TimurCivan]

nono in all seriousness. It is really well editied and flows very smoothly. Not tomention the shots have a good consistent lighting flavour.

We make Manhole Jokes alot, but this film is actually serious. I am very very proud of it.

[TheatreGuy]

Yeah, when Timur opens his mouth, this looks more and more like a Man-Hole (http://www.desperatecomfort.com/phpwcms/index.php?manhole) movie...
LOL!

Oh, sorry.... I'm just bricemanning. [wink]

[VersuS]

LOL!

Oh, sorry.... I'm just bricemanning. [wink]

or is it bricemaking?.......:lipsrseal

[Lingothree]

Boyz, get the Vaseline and lets have a party!!!

Egad. I'm telling mom...

[Brandon Rice]

or is it bricemaking?.......:lipsrseal

LOL! Ya'll are CRAZY! :Drogar-Dum(DBG):

[Brandon Rice]

Ouch! What a slave driver!

I find that the best takes for an actor are usually in the first handful... you know, 2-4 takes. It's the crew that sometimes need more!

Agreed... well prepared actors don't need many takes... especially if you've read it through with them ahead of time... on SR we did 2... sometimes 3... rarely did we ever do more than 3 takes.

[TimurCivan]

MArk is very much a professional, and takes his films and charachters however small a part, very serisouly. WE both tried our best ot be as organised as possible, and not only did we finihs ahead of schedule each day, but there were a few days where we were sitting there thinking.... "Hmm were done 2 hours early.... what else can we do?" And thats when we were able to start experimenting, and trying different thigns where i, mark, Shawn (who was ACing with me on two of the four days of shooting, shawn recomended some interesting angles that made it into the final cut, Thanks buddy.) or Steven would recognise an interesting angle, lighting anomoly, subtlety in the acting etc. then we would get an extra shot just in case. sometimes we used the extra footage sometimes we didint.

But Preperation is worth EVERY SINGLE ounce of energy that you put into it. its Golden. i refuse to ever work without being fully prepared ever again.

[Brandon Rice]

But Preperation is worth EVERY SINGLE ounce of energy that you put into it. its Golden. i refuse to ever work without being fully prepared ever again.

I'll drink to that. A method to live by :beer:

[Mark Harris]

Hey, I want to ask, in the spirit of our movie, how many people played Bloody Mary as kids?

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Did you cast the kids roles from your manhole movies?