720 vs 1080 filmout

[Brian Petersen]

Has there been a film out of HVX footage in both the 720/24 mode and the 1080/24 mode? I will be shooting a feature this summer with the camera with a likelyhood of a 35mm film out at the end of the process. I know there have been filmouts of HVX footage but I haven't heard of one that compares the two modes in 24p. Is the roughly 20% increase in resolution fairly noticeable on a big screen? Is it worth going through the the extra hassle of increase card swapping to get the 1080 footage?

Also, has there been filmout stuff done with the 35mm adapaters. We are wanting to shoot with one of the 35mm adapters, but we are afraid that while it looks good on the footage we have seen online, that when blown up you will see the "softness" that the adapter created. We're wonder how bad that softness look on the big screen. Been waiting for Cinemek, but no word yet on them, otherwise it will probably be the M2. Wondering if anyone has seen a filmout and if it was too "soft" (I know that's subjective, but please give me your opinions)

I mention both of these because with the 35mm adapter I'm wondering if it make the difference between 720 and 1080 larger or smaller. i.e. does the "softness" a 35mm adapter creates make the difference in 720 and 1080 a moot point, or does the softness mean you really want that extra 20% of res so I should definately shoot in the 1080 mode

Thanks for your help guys!

Brian

[The Sarlacc]

1080 for filmouts is usually best.

[Barry_Green]

I'm currently having 720 and 1080 footage transferred to film by Marcus at DVFilm.com.

Results will be posted when I get the footage back.

[Brian Petersen]

GREAT Barry! Can't wait to hear the results.

[vincent_price]

Tnx Barry!!! I can't wait to see it!

[darwinandpaine]

See!!!!??? This is why the HVX should be called the "Baricam." Look at all he does for us! (Am I the world's biggest suck-up, or what?)

[nycfilmmaker]

This would definitely help Barry

[hvx_germanboy]

See!!!!??? This is why the HVX should be called the "Baricam." Look at all he does for us! (Am I the world's biggest suck-up, or what?)

Let me be the biggest sucker..please please...no man, i think you are totally right with barry!
Thanx a lot, really looking forward to see it!

Is this one of the last tests for the book barry??

Let us know how we can get it in europe, is there any europe distribution or will we have to order it directly from the states(with paying a million for shipping..!)

Make sure you print enough, cause iam sure that people will love it!
Thanx!

[The Sarlacc]

I'm currently having 720 and 1080 footage transferred to film by Marcus at DVFilm.com.

Results will be posted when I get the footage back.

Will you be screening this in LA???

[dusterdoo]

Cant wait to see the Baricam footage in LA. .

[Barry_Green]

Depending on how Marcus likes the footage, it'll be on DVFilm's demo reel. That reel will be available for screening in L.A., or basically anywhere because you can request a copy of the print be sent to you for screening in your own theater.

[Jeff Deveraux]

Uh... A 35mm print? That can get pretty expensive for DVfilm. Am I reading this right?

[The Sarlacc]

Uh... A 35mm print? That can get pretty expensive for DVfilm. Am I reading this right?

Most film labs are willing to eat the cost of tests with new cameras. It allows them to figure out optimal settings on their own equpiment for future paying customers, and they get to do all the testing now rather then later.

[Barry_Green]

You can view DVFilm's print, by leaving a deposit with them. They'll send you the print, and when you return the print to them they refund the deposit.

[Poi Boy]

When will you see the results Barry ?
-A

[Barry_Green]

Don't know -- I sent it to them, but I don't know when it'll get back.

[mvb]

Don't know -- I sent it to them, but I don't know when it'll get back.

It' ll be a week or so, We have 2 features eating our lunch right now.

[booth]

Will be nice to hear about the results Barry / Marcus :)

[Barry_Green]

Thanks for the update, Marcus! :thumbsup:

[Justin Reade]

Jesus, Barry, did you get some lenience on the 450/hr. txfr rate??? "Hi, I'd like to transfer my 25 minute Quicktime movie to film for the price of a car." I didn't realize it was so costly!!!!

[BigMike]

Okay so I'm going back to an old subject, but I have a shoot on Memeorial Day that I'm hoping will have good enough content to transfer to 35mm film.

I know this camera's favorite format is 720 24pN, but what about 1080? For all the extra hassle of storage while we shoot a 2 hour event, it seems like 720 would just be easier.

There's going to be three of us out there frantically shooting as much as we can.

Barry: In your opinion is it worth the extra hassle to do 1080?

BTW: Hoping your book comes out before then!!!

[imgentertainment@mac]

Big Mike we are shootting a feature doc and have to do long shoots all the time. We are shooting 720. The guys that are doing the film out tell us that it will be good enough. If you can shoot 1080 I would but for us and sounds like for you it just is not that practical.

[Barry_Green]

1080 is better, but at what price? That's what you have to decide.

Graphic designer has the book now, should be done in a few days and then it goes to the printer...

[Emanuel]

Barry: In your opinion is it worth the extra hassle to do 1080?I'm not the HVX master but...anyway :) here is:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=458015&postcount=2

Just evaluate yourself at the "differences" clip :)

[Emanuel]

But the best comparision footage regarding 1080p vs. 720p is here:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=52471

Unfortunately, it's not more available... :( try e-mail them! It's worth! Wait!...

...try this: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=508062&postcount=4

...or PM Proteus (dvxuser.com member) maybe he can help you!

Hope this helps!

[Illya Friedman]

For those looking for a comparison between HVX 1080 and 720 filmmout. Contact any of the reputable houses that do the the Tape/Data transfer to film. They will print a wedge test for you for free. If they don't, try somewhere else. There are at least 10 major labs doing this work in L.A. alone.

When you test yourself you know what you shot; which is what's most important. Far more important than just taking the word of someone else.

There are people out there with different opinions, and that doesn't make what they believe wrong. But there are also those who just regurgitate hype, without knowing. This is particularly troubling, but it happens- constantly. With imaging technology, don't believe it until you do it/and see it for yourself.

When you shoot your test YOU know what all your greyscale/over & under values are. You can also test lens(es) for sharpness range. You'll want to choose your lab for filmout before you ever shoot a frame of your projects because not all transfer process and methodologies are the same, and there's many conflicting opinions on which techniques (and settings) are the most appropriate, if not "the best."

This is what professionals do before jumping into the unknown.

I.

P.S. I heard the HVX200 called "The Mongoose", although I'm not going to repeat on this message board why.

[spooky138]

Why?

[Illya Friedman]

I think "The Mongoose" is a great name in general. The reason behind is EXTREMELY flattering to Panasonic, but not to another manufacturer's product.

Really the guy who told his whole rant was talking out of his a$$, even if he did make a few good points.

I think that it's possible to figure everything out from here. I won't elaborate any further.

I.

[ESTEBEVERDE]

I think "The Mongoose" is a great name in general. The reason behind is EXTREMELY flattering to Panasonic, but not to another manufacturer's product.

Really the guy who told his whole rant was talking out of his a$$, even if he did make a few good points.

I think that it's possible to figure everything out from here. I won't elaborate any further.

I.


Because it kills the VIPER!?!?!

[ESTEBEVERDE]

1080 is better, but at what price? That's what you have to decide.

Graphic designer has the book now, should be done in a few days and then it goes to the printer...

How do you recon this choice Barry?

What do you see as the balance?

[Barry_Green]

1080 just retains more resolution. Not twice as much, maybe 20% more, but still, more is more.

So the question is: do you go for 720/24p and get 2.5 times as much recording time on a card, or do you go 1080/24p and get maybe 20% more resolution out of your image?

[ullanta]

Hey, Barry -

Will that film-out test be in LA? And will there be room for other folks to sneak in?

-Barry

[ESTEBEVERDE]

1080 just retains more resolution. Not twice as much, maybe 20% more, but still, more is more.

So the question is: do you go for 720/24p and get 2.5 times as much recording time on a card, or do you go 1080/24p and get maybe 20% more resolution out of your image?


Fair enough.

So if storage capacity isn't an issue then 1080?



What kind of luck have you had shooting tethered? (Computer/Firestore)

Any dropouts or anomalies?

[telebay]

I know this wouldn't be as good as shooting in 1080 to begin with... but it might be a nice compromise:

* Shoot 720p 24pn
* Up rez with Instant HD to 1080 - http://store.yahoo.com/redgiantsoftware/instanthd.html

Any thoughts on whether or not you guys think this would make for better footage -- though not as nice as actually shooting 1080 to begin with?

[darwinandpaine]

I know this wouldn't be as good as shooting in 1080 to begin with... but it might be a nice compromise:

* Shoot 720p 24pn
* Up rez with Instant HD to 1080 - http://store.yahoo.com/redgiantsoftware/instanthd.html

Any thoughts on whether or not you guys think this would make for better footage -- though not as nice as actually shooting 1080 to begin with?

I believe I read another post regarding this software, and, if I'm not mistaken, Jared(?) said it was quite good. Do a search.

[Yuval Shrem]

I've just found the download page for the original comparison files from the German site.

Here's the link:

http://www.hd-channel.com/535457979d0979003/index.html

That is a very worthy download...



Cheers,

Yuval.

[Jim Arthurs]

I know this wouldn't be as good as shooting in 1080 to begin with... but it might be a nice compromise:

* Shoot 720p 24pn
* Up rez with Instant HD to 1080 - http://store.yahoo.com/redgiantsoftware/instanthd.html

Any thoughts on whether or not you guys think this would make for better footage -- though not as nice as actually shooting 1080 to begin with?

Up scaling is NEVER the best direction to go... But down scaling HVX 1080 is very attractive under a certain set of conditions.

If you want to shoot 1080 over 720 with the HVX, I'd suggest doing so, then downrezzing it to full raster 1280 by 720 and editing with that. You wouldn't lose a single bit of whatever marginal rez gains HVX recorded 1080 has over HVX recorded 720, yet you'd gain ALL the benefits of a 720 post workflow.

Why is this? Remember, HVX recorded 720 is 960 by 720, and HVX recorded 1080 is 1280 by 1080. Common agreement is that vertical improvement of HVX 1080 over 720 is very, very minor, and best case horizontal improvement over 720 is approx. 30%.

One way to do this would be to use CineForm, as it will automatically scale down your 1080 down to 720 full raster as it creates CineForm codec AVI's.

Regards,

Jim Arthurs

[ESTEBEVERDE]

Thanks Jim! :)