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Jarred Land
05-09-2006, 03:55 AM
just got another press release, actually a good workflow read, these guys chose to go LTO as well.. i think im next.

PANASONIC’S HVX200 BECOMES GO-TO CAMERA
FOR TORONTO’S FRAMEBLENDER
*Company Devises Innovative Archiving Solution for Growing Roster of HVX200 Projects*

SECAUCUS, NJ (May 9, 2006) - Toronto-based FrameBlender has put the versatility of its Panasonic
AG-HVX200 to the test in the two months since it purchased the hand-held DVCPRO HD camcorder. The full-service production and post-production company has tapped the HVX200 to shoot insert elements for broadcast design, greenscreen footage for the short feature Chip, Scrape and Throw and, most notably, an orientation video and library material for Toronto’s University Health Network, one of the world’s largest medical research institutions.

This summer FrameBlender will supply its HVX200 to the documentary Raising Valhalla about Toronto’s new opera center and its mounting of Wagner’s Ring cycle.

“We initially thought we’d use the HVX200 for in-house branding or experimental projects, some corporate work and low-end commercials,” says Tim Martin, a partner in FrameBlender. But viewing footage, side-by-side, of the HVX200, Panasonic AJ-HDC27 VariCam and Sony F900 led Martin to think otherwise. “We were pleasantly surprised by the HVX200’s image quality,” he reports. “And clients were extremely satisfied with the price-to-image ratio. So the HVX200 has become our go-to camera for most projects.”

The HVX200 uniquely combines multiple high definition and standard definition formats, multiple recording modes and variable frames rates, and the vast benefits of P2 solid state memory recording in a rugged, compact design.

For the University Health Network (UHN), which is comprised of the Princess Margaret, Toronto General and Toronto Western Hospitals and their affiliated research institutes, Martin shot B roll of UHN interiors and 25 interviews at the 1080/24p frame rate collecting 35-40 hours of material for what will ultimately be a 15-20 minute video. His footage will also enable UHN to create a library of generic images.

“Research labs with three-foot aisles are not the most spacious places. The HVX200’s small size really helped in those situations,” Martin recalls. “In operating rooms, where lights are specifically positioned to cast light onto an object, we were surprised by how well the camera handled the contrast, leaving information in the whites and not completely crushing the blacks. Obviously, the HVX200 doesn’t have the latitude of film, but we were extremely happy with the latitude it had for one-third inch chips.”

While Martin had prior experience shooting with all of Panasonic’s 24p cameras on a rental basis, the HVX200 marks FrameBlender’s first Panasonic investment (purchased from Abel Cine Tech, NY, NY). “I’ve shot primarily with VariCam and the SDX900,” he says. “I personally enjoy using Panasonic cameras because of their color response and how the chips show color. We had been thinking of biting the budget bullet when Panasonic announced the HVX200. It looked like it would fit our market and give us what we needed: similar color response, gamma curves and the flexibility we liked in Panasonic 24p cameras; multiple frame rates; the DVCPRO HD codec; and a post workflow we were used to.”

Martin notes that “a lot of other cameras have used new codecs so post-production is usually playing catch up. But the DVCPRO HD codec is more well-known and is integrated into most software platforms. So from day one, the HVX200 accepted the post solutions out there; even more post options will become available over time.”

Martin emphasizes that “to shoot properly you don’t just need a camera, you need the whole package” which, for him, encompasses a Chrosziel 4x4 matte box, Chrosziel DV Studio Follow Focus and Cartoni Focus tripod. He plans to acquire Focus Enhancements’ Firestore FS-100 portable DTE recorder shortly.

Martin currently has five 4GB P2 cards. His production workflow varies according to the shoot “depending on what makes sense,” he says. “Sometimes, when I’m interviewing, I may plug the camera into my 15-inch Macintosh PowerBook and capture on the fly into Final Cut Pro. Sometimes, when I’m shooting B roll, I’ll fill the five cards, then take them to the laptop and offload. Or I’ll cycle the cards, popping out a full card, popping in a new one and having an assistant offload the full card.” In all cases, the P2 cards are offloaded in the laptop to a FireWire drive.

Martin considers the time between getting the FireWire drive back to FrameBlender analogous to the time between removing a film magazine from a camera and shipping it to the lab. Upon arrival at FrameBlender, the drive is plugged into a PowerMac G5 and all of the data is copied to an Apple XServe RAID. “At that point we’re a lot more secure,” Martin says. “The camera randomly names clips, ensuring that each clip has a very specific title. But we also log and rename the clips the way we want them so we can later match project files and EDLs.”

Concerned with finding “a good solution to manage and back up this amount of data,” Martin consulted with friends who are IT professionals. They recommended the LT0-3 tape format. “It’s not a new technology; it’s one of the main tape formats used by IT professionals. But it was very new to us,” Martin admits. “It’s already in its third generation, and it keeps gaining capacity and speed while remaining backward compatible with the previous generation. We believe LT0-3 is the archiving solution, and it has a low cost of entry.”

When renaming the raw footage is complete, the native DVCPRO HD clips are transferred from the XServe RAID onto LT0-3 tapes for archiving via an Exabyte 1x7 autoloader connected via SCSI to the G5 in the edit suite. “The transfer is faster than real-time and, per minute, LT0-3 tape is extremely cheap. Cheaper even than DVCPRO HD tape. We can put 400 minutes on an LT0-3 tape for under $100 U.S.,” Martin reports.

With all the media now properly named and archived, FrameBlender edits in Final Cut Pro in native DVCPRO HD. The offline is recompressed into 10-bit uncompressed HD for color grading with Silicon Color’s Final Touch HD. Then it is brought back, in 10-bits, into Final Cut Pro through XML files for titling, effects and rendering.

Martin hears people saying the HVX200 has “features they really wouldn’t use” such as multiple frame rates, slow motion and interval shooting for time lapse footage. “But the truth is, you’d use them once you had access to them,” he says. “The HVX200 has a lot of features you don’t really appreciate until you start using them. Then they spark your creativity, and you start asking yourself, ‘what can I do with this?’ Any time technology pushes creative forward, it’s a good thing!”

SilverWolf
05-09-2006, 06:25 AM
Wow that's sweet. I've been debating whether or not to go with Tape drives myself for backing up regular SD.

Rygh
05-09-2006, 06:54 AM
Yeah it sounds interesting...Being "Old School" of just having my source tapes on the shelf, looking for the best archiving solution for HD has become my main mission in life, it seems. Each tape can do 400gb native for about $70 has a nice ring for me.

Having no knowledge of LTO's do you think this will be the best storage solution for the next 5 years over HDD? I know Blu-Ray and HD DVD, but that just seems to me like an "HD Mastering" solution (If stations and dub houses will take them in the future).

thewanderingfool
05-09-2006, 08:14 PM
A little info on LTO. It's used widely (and I mean by everyone I speak to) in the IT field. Banks, Government, Big Business etc. It's in it's third generation.

LTO - 100 GB
LTO 2 - 200 GB
LTO 3 - 400 GB

See the pattern. All new drives read and write to LTO-1 and 2 tapes. And there are a lot of manufacturs. You can by directly from Apple or Dell or IBM etc. I've also heard rumors that it's the format used by teams shooting with the Viper reagularly.

Downsides, learning curve. You will need some IT know how. Nothing that bad, just basics. DHCP, IP Addresses, Backup Workflows. It won't show up on your system as a disk like a firewire / DVD-R. You will need to use a piece of backup software. We are using Dantz Retrospect. Not regarded as the strongest piece of backup software, but does what we need it to do.

Also, you can write and read single files to and from your RAID. And we get 5+GB/Min reads off the thing. Only about 3-4GB / Min writes.

In the end I just don't trust Optical or Hard Drives.

Cheers,

Tim
FrameBlender

BollingerPro
05-09-2006, 09:23 PM
I just purchased a Dell LTO-2 Drive. Talk about fast...180GB in two hours going from my Raid 5 Array!!

Somthing to keep in mind with the LTO Tape is this: You will not get compression. In fact I can't even put a P2 Footage folder containing 197GB on a 200GB Tape becauase of how the drive handles "previously compressed files". Other than that.. this has really been a God send for my business as I don't have to waste time with burning hundreds of DVDs or worrying about the shelf life of a Hard Drive.

I broke the final cost of each hour of DVCPro HD 720 24pN footage that I shoot on my HVX and it came out around $4.50 per hour.... about 50cents more that normal Panasonic DV tape!

Nathan

dougspice
05-10-2006, 08:54 PM
I've been kicking this around in my head as well, procrastinating on making a decision... but soon I'll be forced to. If I figure the cost, LTO-3 seems a bit too costly vs. drives and LTO-2. So comparing cost directly between the two primary options I'm looking at:

1) LTO-2 = $3000 drive, + $.20/GB, + SCSI card (are there other options here?)
2) SATA hotswap array = $800 array, + $.33-50/GB, + SATA port replicator

The SATA comes out cheaper, clearly, even without considering that HDD costs drop faster than tape media. In theory there's a greater chance of failure, but it's a more familiar solution and would offer more flexibility and usages.

Hmm. Still completely on the fence.

dregenthal
05-10-2006, 09:31 PM
I bought a used DELL POWERVAULT 110T ULTRIUM LTO2 EXTERNAL on eBay last week. Should arrive in a couple days . . . hope I did not make a mistake by going used? I will test it thoroughly before relying on it --but I am optomistic.

carlone
05-11-2006, 08:28 PM
You can purchse a terabyte from FRY's for $700 TODAY.
That's 250 4 gig card backup's. Connects via firewire (no need for scsi).

I don't get what the attraction of LTO is?

Jarred Land
05-11-2006, 10:21 PM
lto is for the guys that need a tape on the shelf to make them feel better.. theres alot of people not prepared to trust things sitting in a hard drive. Plus the LTO tapes are $30 for

750gb single drives are out now though.. 1tb single drives just around the corner.. i say in a year we will have 1tb drives for $200.. and i agree, pretty soon all media will be in a raid storage bank sooner or later.

thewanderingfool
05-12-2006, 09:26 AM
Just have a conversation with someone who had 3 drives go down in a RAID at one time. It happens. I've had it happen to me. You only have to lose 5 TB's once to now that Hard Drives aren't as full proof as you'd be lead to believe.

As hard drives move forward so does tape. About the time you're paying $200 for 1 TB I'll be paying $100 for 800 GB. Which mean 1.6 TB for $200.

Jarred Land
05-12-2006, 10:29 AM
lol i gurantee you tape dropouts are way more common than had drive issues.

redindian
05-12-2006, 10:42 AM
tapeless workflow to tape backup - some irony :)

Jarred Land
05-12-2006, 10:48 AM
ha ha so true red, so true.

fhammond
05-15-2006, 02:33 PM
Nathan, Tim,

What SCSI card on the Macintosh are you using? The Dell LTO drives seem appealing but I'm not sure what card is preferred. I'll probably use Retrospect but do either of you know if the backup application that comes with .Mac supports tape drives? It's simple but probably enough for backup of video media.

Regards,
fh

thewanderingfool
05-15-2006, 02:48 PM
We're using a single channel ATTO card. Don't know about .Mac But, just a heads up the software you use specifically needs to have drivers for your specific LTO drive for it to work, not just drivers for any LTO drive.

Tim

fhammond
05-15-2006, 02:50 PM
Thanks the for the quick reply, Tim.

BollingerPro
05-15-2006, 02:50 PM
I am using a Adeptec SCSI 320 Card in my Windows 2003 Server