16GB P2 cards?

[FatBird19]

Any word from Panasonic on this yet? Will it happen?

[Luke]

I was just thinking the same thing. You would think that if it were to happen this year, this would be the place to spread the word. Unless they want to spring it on us unexpectedly so people will continue to buy the 8 gig cards up until the surprize release of the 16gig. I don't know.

Luke

[dglasgal]

I doubt they will jump to 16s so fast, they hardly have their 8gb cards on the market. If so, that's great. Do you everything will slide down in price? All the panasonic reps talk about how hard it is to make these chips and how little margin there is on them, I doubt they will get cheaper anytime soon.

[PowerMac84]

I recenly saw an advertisment for p2 in a german film magazine… one could see 128 gb p2s next to 32 gb and 8 gb p2s on the photo…

[SkiUtah]

I recenly saw an advertisment for p2 in a german film magazine… one could see 128 gb p2s next to 32 gb and 8 gb p2s on the photo…


That was just an example of the capacities that they are hoping to achive on their timeline over the next couple of years.

[Rowlander]

At CES earlier this year, Sony has announced 4 GB and 8 GB Memory Stick Duos, both to be released within this year. Those are the tiny stamp-sized ones!

Therefor I was counting on Panasonic to announce at least 16 GB P2-cards at NAB.
Before NAB started, I said to a friend: "If they don´t announce lager cards, it will mean, they have serious troubles, develobing flashmemory with higher capacity."
This is definitely not a good sign. Maybe they shoud have built a host function into the camera to plug in a standard portable hard drive via Firewire. But then they wouldn´t have sold as many of their P2-cards. They are lucky, there is no camera on the market, that allows you to do that. Yet.
And yes, I know about the Firestore. It´s far more expensive than any standard portable harddrive.
I think the HVX is a great camera, it would be sad to see it stuck with those tiny cards. I do mainly documentary at the moment and therefor the HVX is not an option for me if I want an HD-camorder. Let´s hope things will move forward soon.

[FatBird19]

I don't know why Panasonic didn't just make it easier on themselves and use 4 Compact Flash cards instead of SD cards in P2.

[Take_1]

I don't know why Panasonic didn't just make it easier on themselves and use 4 Compact Flash cards instead of SD cards in P2.

Well the way I see it is if they do run into problems they could always mod the next revision of the camera.

[Erik Olson]

http://www.planet.nl/upload_mm/f/6/c/1926898367_1999998491_intel.jpg

128 might be here sooner than you think...

[blckhawk542]

Change the codec the HVX records...i read in another thread that H.264 would be alot better and would save up alot more space on the cards...so maybe the HVX200a might have that codec change...or would that be too big of a change for a letter modification?

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=54566&page=2

[fiercecurry]

P2 is reliant on SD technology. So unless they bump up SD cards to 4GB, we wont see
any higher P2.

Currently SD cards max out at 2GB, hence 8GB P2.

[danimal84]

from this it looks like first half of this year for the 16GB P2, then all the way up to 128GB in 2007? that seems too soon but correct me if im wrong

http://panasonic.com.au/content/library/files/F001562.pdf

[SalaTar]

good luck

[Daniel Skubal]

http://www.planet.nl/upload_mm/f/6/c/1926898367_1999998491_intel.jpg

128 might be here sooner than you think...

How soon man? Is it safe? Is it safe??? *gets out drill* IS IT SAFE?

[FatBird19]

Change the codec the HVX records...i read in another thread that H.264 would be alot better and would save up alot more space on the cards...so maybe the HVX200a might have that codec change...or would that be too big of a change for a letter modification?

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=54566&page=2

H.264 is a brilliant looking codec, however, unless it's really low compression, I want to edit with a frame independent codec. If anything, I'd love to see panasonic create a codec based off jpeg2000.

Besides, the HVX would need to add a hardware H.264 encoder. I don't think they'd go to that much trouble. (maybe though)

[FatBird19]

How soon man? Is it safe? Is it safe??? *gets out drill* IS IT SAFE?

LOL.

[robot909]

Its just a matter of time till the cards get higher capacities. Probably not too far away.

...remember when 40 Megabyte hard drives were 1000$ ? nowadayas 400 GIG drives are half that price.

[unfiltered]

nowadayas 400 GIG drives are half that price.
500GB Seagate SATA drives are only $269.90 :)

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=AA38230

[EShy]

They did just announce the use of H.264 on P2 in the new AJ-HPC2000, so it does make sense they'll add that to the HVX200a

[Tzedekh]

H.264 is a brilliant looking codec, however, unless it's really low compression, I want to edit with a frame independent codec. If anything, I'd love to see panasonic create a codec based off jpeg2000.

Besides, the HVX would need to add a hardware H.264 encoder. I don't think they'd go to that much trouble. (maybe though)As far as I know, interframe compression isn't necessary with H.264 (a.k.a. MPEG-4 Part 10). From page 9 of the Sony SRW-5000/5500 brochure (http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/docs/brochures/srw5000-5500%20brochure.pdf): "Yet another industry first from Sony is an integrated video encoding/decoding chipset that conforms to the MPEG-4 SP Studio Profile: ISO/IEC 14496-2:2001-1). The Studio Profile was created to specifically address the requirements of high-resolution image-production applications. It is free from GOP (Group Of Pictures) structures, and is scalable in its pixel count (SDTV, HDTV, Film-resolution data), bit depth (10- or 12-bit), and color resolution (component or RGB). In order to achieve maximum compression efficiency, the HDCAM-SR format resorts to intra-frame compression for progressive images. Intra-field compression is used for interlaced images."

Except for possibly increasing shooting durations, I don't see much point to H.264 encoding on the HVX. DVCProHD doesn't support 10-bit encoding or 4:4:4 chroma resolution, and even if Panasonic extended the format to include them, it isn't clear to me that the radical spatial offset of the HVX's CCDs would benefit much.

[unfiltered]

As far as I know, interframe compression isn't necessary with H.264 (a.k.a. MPEG-4 Part 10). From page 9 of the Sony SRW-5000/5500 brochure (http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/docs/brochures/srw5000-5500%20brochure.pdf): "Yet another industry first from Sony is an integrated video encoding/decoding chipset that conforms to the MPEG-4 SP Studio Profile: ISO/IEC 14496-2:2001-1). The Studio Profile was created to specifically address the requirements of high-resolution image-production applications. It is free from GOP (Group Of Pictures) structures, and is scalable in its pixel count (SDTV, HDTV, Film-resolution data), bit depth (10- or 12-bit), and color resolution (component or RGB). In order to achieve maximum compression efficiency, the HDCAM-SR format resorts to intra-frame compression for progressive images. Intra-field compression is used for interlaced images."

Except for possibly increasing shooting durations, I don't see much point to H.264 encoding on the HVX. DVCProHD doesn't support 10-bit encoding or 4:4:4 chroma resolution, and even if Panasonic extended the format to include them, it isn't clear to me that the radical spatial offset of the HVX's CCDs would benefit much.
Stop it with all of that techno mumbo jumbo! ;)

[toke lahti]

10/12b 4:2:0 intra-AVC might be tempting, same with wavelet codec even better.
So far intra-AVC is implemented only in "High 4:4:4" profile, which is a bit overkill to hvx and p2 cards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC