Just how big is 4k?

[Jarred Land]

Dont know if some of you realize the size of images that will come out of red.. but here is a still mockup for resolution demonstration.

Obviously, this isnt shot with the Red camera.

http://www.dvxuser.com/red/4520sample.zip

[Jannard]

That is HUGE! Makes we want to build a camera that can do that...

[Daniel Skubal]

wow! I actually just paper on digital film technology for a class and mentioned RED and its 4K goodness. That's roughly what? like 16 standard def images put together?

[Daniel Skubal]

That is HUGE! Makes we want to build a camera that can do that...
haha You tease. You tease.

[Jarred Land]

ha ha ha that's Jim for you.

11 million pixels of love people.

[Brandon Rice]

Amazing....

[Larry Rutledge]

Why stop at 4K? Why not 8K, or 16K, or 32K...I could go on like this all afternoon :grin:

[Gibby]

And who says size doesn't matter...

[Jarred Land]

And who says size doesn't matter...

ha ha ha well said. I expect that phrase to pop up over and over and over again in the next couple weeks.

[videomaniac]

...okay, I want one :)

Hopefully I can squeeze through a million people at the RED booth at NAB to get a glimpse.... maybe I should bring my binoculars and a shotgun mic :laugh:

[Jarred Land]

...okay, I want one :)

Hopefully I can squeeze through a million people at the RED booth at NAB to get a glimpse.... maybe I should bring my binoculars and a shotgun mic :laugh:

ha ha ha.. yeah. I have a feeling in the first day people at home are going to know more about what's going on in the booth then the poeple there.

[mikkowilson]

Lucky for us there is a WiFi access point about 50yards from the RED booth - so about level with the back of the crowd - for updates.

Jim, I hope you have a big stage set up!


- Mikko

[videomaniac]

...you don't mind if I print up a Jarrad Land Jr. ID... do ya? :)

[Jarred Land]

Jim, I hope you have a big stage set up!
- Mikko

thats why im going to be in the booth Wed. and Thursday. I was chosen for no other reason besides the fact that im 6'7" and when I hold the camera up over my head the entire convention center can see it.

[mikkowilson]

thats why im going to be in the booth Wed. and Thursday. I was chosen for no other reason besides the fact that im 6'7" and when I hold the camera up over my head the entire convention center can see it.

Then I guess they had better send one over to Steadicam (3 booths over) for Garrett to hold one too (he's about 6'8") :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

- Mikko

[Jarred Land]

Then I guess they had better send one over to Steadicam (3 booths over) for Garrett to hold one too (he's about 6'8") :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

- Mikko

Mike Curtis from HD for indies is going to be in the booth Monday and Tuesday, and hes 6' 4".

[mikkowilson]

Hmmm...

http://www.hoppingdowninkent.org.uk/photos/man-on-stilts.jpg

..At least we could see something.



- Mikko ... is done with the hijack.

[Gibby]

You could always Spiderman down from the catwalk up by the ceiling...

[Chris Messineo]

I have a 23 inch apple monitor and for the first time it felt small. :(

Chris

[vidled]

I have a 23 inch apple monitor and for the first time it felt small. :(

Chris

LOL,
I was looking at it, thinking: "That ain't THAT big!": until I realized I was looking at it at 23% in size!

[masada1903]

I have a 23 inch apple monitor and for the first time it felt small. :(

Chris

Imagine how people who own the 30" must feel. Who thought that thing would feel small any time in the next decade?

[Jarred Land]

I have a 23 inch apple monitor and for the first time it felt small. :(

Chris

ha ha ha.. i love that quote.. man Jim should go around and collect these.

[vincent_price]

My 40'' (1080i) lcd says: 11 megapixels... mmm...! It's so huuuge.... :Drogar-Evil(DBG):

[insanityfw]

And who says size doesn't matter...

those that don't have the size. :)

This camera is sounding amazing and I have to say having a person as successful as Jim Jannard responding on this board is very, very inspirational.

EDIT: this isn't a dig against all the other great people on this board. :)

[noistar]

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[Gibby]

Hello to everybody ( first post )

Welcome to DVX User and the RED forum noistar! Enjoy the buzz...

Gibby
www.cut4.tv

[Jack_Felis]

Oh man...

[Jarred Land]

Welcome to DVX User and the RED forum noistar! Enjoy the buzz...

Gibby
www.cut4.tv (http://www.cut4.tv)

In a few days... that buzz is going to be a roar.

[Aaron Marshall]

I can't fathom 4K running at 24fps. It's like trying to understand the width of the galaxy in terms of travel.

RED sounds incredible. I can't wait to hear more.

[im.thatoneguy]

And here I was thinking about upgrading sometime in the near future from my 23" to the 30" apple... what's the point. You can't win with images that large on the loose. I'm going back to my 15".

:crybaby:

[MarcusX]

We got about a dozen of these bastards:
http://radiforce.com/en/products/monitor.php?monitor_id=1&color=BL

They always come in pairs and have a combined resolution of 4096 x 2560.

It's actually tiresome to move the mouse from one corner to the other :)

[taubkin]

Oh, the humanity!

[boo]

man, that sucker is huge. didn't realize how big 4k was...damn red ticker...the more i watch it, the slower it seems to get!?

[HenryK]

Isn't RED bigger than 4K? 4520X2540 is more than 4K I believe.

[MarcusX]

I've read it shoots 4k, 2k, 2540p, 1080p and 720p.

[Stephen W]

Isn't RED bigger than 4K? 4520X2540 is more than 4K I believe.

According to Ted Red in his DV.com interview the "Mysterium" sensor is a CMOS using a Bayer Pattern array. This generally give a real resolution of about 25% less than the actual number of pixels in the array. A Bayer Array of 4520x2540 will therefore work out at about 4k.

I think.

[David Newman]

According to Ted Red in his DV.com interview the "Mysterium" sensor is a CMOS using a Bayer Pattern array. This generally give a real resolution of about 25% less than the actual number of pixels in the array. A Bayer Array of 4520x2540 will therefore work out at about 4k.

The resolution out of a bayer sensor depends a lot of on the demosaic algorthm used and course the source image. I used to take the general rule of bayer is 75% of the sensor, but since working with more advanced debayer filters, we finding in most real-world situations the resolvable image can approach the kell factor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kell_factor). One reason the luma resolution can still be high despite the bayer sampling, is the RGB filter are not (never are) pure. As a result ever pixel location has luma more information mixed with chroma, resulting in a suprizing sharp image.

[Stephen W]

I used to take the general rule of bayer is 75% of the sensor, but since working with more advanced debayer filters, we finding in most real-world situations the resolvable image can approach the kell factor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kell_factor).

It's never that simple, is it :)

But taking the "75%" rule as a general principal, the resultant image resolution should be around 4k - possibly higher than 4k if what you say works out.

[Sumfun]

It's actually tiresome to move the mouse from one corner to the other :)

How can you enjoy a movie if you have to keep scrolling back and forth across the screen? :)

[Jarred Land]

How can you enjoy a movie if you have to keep scrolling back and forth across the screen? :)

here is your answer:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/film/feature_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000682865

[coolguy007]

nice

[blckhawk542]

How would you be able to capture and even export such a big file? unless its on a digital device like a P2 card..or hard drive...

you wouldnt be able to hook that cam up to firewire and capture...it wouldlag soo badly and i dont even think theirs software that can support that rez.

How do they capture 35mm footage then? thats 4k...