DV article up.. inside Red, interview with Ted

[Jarred Land]

Great DV article up.. shows some pictures of Oakley headquarters and a great review with Ted.

http://www.dv.com/features/features_item.jhtml?category=Archive&articleId=186500760

you might need to register with DV.com to see the article.

[Cheesesailor77]

cool, thanks!

[Isaac_Brody]

Great article. They mention Red working with Codex.

http://www.codexdigital.com/index.php

Very interesting...

[krestofre]

I don't know if I'm more impressed with the camera, or the Oakley building. :)

[oneinfiniteloop]

I don't know if I'm more impressed with the camera, or the Oakley building. :)

I know, that place is something else!

It's good to hear the enthuaism these guys have! Man I wish I would be in Vegas next week.

[Larry Rutledge]

I don't know if I'm more impressed with the camera, or the Oakley building. :)

No kidding...I'd love to use that building as the location for my Hero Fest film...has a great "superhero" feeling to it! Why can't all places of business make cool buildings like that, it would make coming to work a little more enjoyable.

[roxics]

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[imgentertainment@mac]

I didn't get to see the article either they must have moved it

[FullRez]

I went to a Oakley Christmas party once (It's just down the road from me), it's a cool place. They have jet fighter ejection seats as seats in the lobby :)

Oh yeah - you have to love the Pirate Flag they fly (which you can see in the first photo but it's wraped around the pole).

[Jarred Land]

http://www.dv.com/features/features_item.jhtml?category=Archive&articleId=186500760

[Chris Messineo]

Great article. It's got me all excited for the news on Monday.

Chris

[FullRez]

Hmm, actually I'm a bit dissapointed after reading it. There was no promise of any footage. Seems like they will just have "blow ups" of the info they had previously on their website.

[Shaw]

Damn!

[Danilo Del Tufo]

It could be a dream if this camera will be available after Nab, I know it's only a dream...we are waiting Nab only for other info about it, I really like to use this camera...and I'm a little tired to rovine my eyes on my too bright Philips 202p4 crt screen...this crt just had destroyed my eyes...

[FullRez]

This camera will not be available for sale tell next year if we are lucky - don't hold your breath.

[Jannard]

Hmm, actually I'm a bit dissapointed after reading it. There was no promise of any footage. Seems like they will just have "blow ups" of the info they had previously on their website.

We have been clear on the timeline since day one. Non-working prototypes and the system program, including pricing at NAB. Posted footage from the full size sensor in Fall. 1st complete cameras together by the end of the year. That is our target timeline. The only reason to be disappointed is if you expected something different than we have said all along. Or if we promised something and didn't deliver. We have great test sensor footage now. But we will not show footage to the community until it is full resolution and "worthy of scrutiny". If you are waiting to see a full functioning finished camera with footage, accessories and ready to ship... just check in at the end of the year. If you want to follow along on the progress as it unfolds... stick around. The ride will be worth it.

Jim

[boo]

good article. specs are great. don't want to get my hopes up just yet. not until monday when the price is revealed. that would only be my disappointment, if any...

[Gibby]

Hmm, actually I'm a bit dissapointed after reading it. There was no promise of any footage. Seems like they will just have "blow ups" of the info they had previously on their website.

Actually, at no point has RED said they would have a shooting prototype of the new camera system or footage at NAB. Thay have said that they will have non-shooting prototypes of the camera at NAB. They've come a long way in a short period of time for such a complex project. In the months after NAB I'm sure they will be announcing their field testing schedule and then letting us know when to expect to see some sample footage. Having personally interviewed Jim Jannard for a pending magazine article that will be released on Monday, I can assure you that at the RED NAB booth, on the RED web site, in my interview, etc., there will be a wealth of new info and prototype images to feast on. I'd be highly surprised if anybody is dissappointed on Monday!

Gibby
www.cut4.tv

[Larry Rutledge]

The ride will be worth it. Got my seat belt buckled and I'm holding on tight!! :thumbsup:

[Danilo Del Tufo]

We have been clear on the timeline since day one. Non-working prototypes and the system program, including pricing at NAB. Posted footage from the full size sensor in Fall. 1st complete cameras together by the end of the year. That is our target timeline. The only reason to be disappointed is if you expected something different than we have said all along. Or if we promised something and didn't deliver.

You are correct man Jim, I'm still lookin' for my first camera so I'm bit tired (and my crt monitor really destroys my eyes, hope to change this monitor soon), so I'm different animal here :( I'm also a comic drawer so the eyes, you know, are already fatigued...mix this with my too brighty crt and wait for a camera for years...
I'm sure you bring us the revolution of cinema world, I'm really happy to have met you here!
Hope you had some time to see "Iron 3" of Kim Ki-duk, just suggested some day ago :) do you remember?
Keep up good work , Jim!

[turing]

From the article:



Schilowitz: That's correct. Our sensor is being designed by our sensor team. It will not appear in any other camera on the market. It's not a sensor-for-sale to the market at large looking to create digital cameras, we did a lot of investigation early on, to see what was out there, and nothing was really suitable for what we wanted to achieve. We are building a sensor from the ground up for the Red camera. We don't have all those resources in-house of course, we don’t have our own foundry, that’s a highly specialized world that you outsource, but the design, the sensor IP is all ours. The Mysterium sensor is truly next generation technology, using the most modern processes out there.


This actually makes me believe they will be very successful - I saw a custom sensor as the only option as well.



Imagine a little pocket FireWire drive. A mini-FireWire drive that you could actually fit inside the camera and all of the ports that are typically on a FireWire drive--FireWire 800, 400, USB, maybe SATA


I'd love to have a pocket SATA drive that would consistently sustain over 200MB a second. That would be neato. Oh yeah, right, that doesn't exist :P

Actually he's probably talking about a little RAID3 of lappy drives just like the kinetta: a reasonably G-tolerant and fault-tolerant 'cartridge' with an onboard controller so it would actually act like a SATA or FW800 drive on a bus. I was VERY VERY VERY frustrated to see that panasonic didn't go this route with individual (or striped) lappy drives instead of those retarded cardbus cards. Yech.



At this point in time, it's an electronic viewfinder. But very next generation, high resolution technology.


OLED

...

250Mbits = 31.25 megs a second, which isn't actually insane. A helluvuh lot more realistic than uncompressed 4k :P

Multi-codec is insanely great



formats will be completely stepped, so you can shoot 1, 2, 3, 4... 17, 22... whatever


xlnt



either 4 or 8-channel audio on the camera. And then there's the ability to add something to go to 12 or 16 channels of probably baseline 48 kHz audio. And we're likely looking at 92 kHz and 192 kHz as well


haha this is the kinetta



Physically? [Takes a moment to calculate the number in his head.] At least 50 or 60 working on the project actively right now


Figure an average salary of US$80k per year... that's $4,000,000 up - change in the real world, but impossible for a tiinsy shop with a good idea (kinetta)



Anything involving the touch and feel of the camera is Jim's world.


so the camera will look like a cross between one of those comical quake 3 RPGs and an stealth fighter :P actually - very cool that there is one person whose job it is to ensure the ergonomics and the actualt tangible object are perfect.



DV: A 16 isn't going to cover a 24mm slide.


Schilowitz: No. So you'll basically have a little less coverage, but you'll have the ability to use a lighter lens and a little longer throw. You are still good for HD and even 2k probably not 4k with 16mm lenses, there you would want to use 35mm PL mount lenses. The idea is flexibility. There's no perfect machine to handle everything from PL down to B4, but you try to find a nice middle ground. And it looks like we're going to be best suited for 35mm and 16mm lenses.


VERY VERY smart. Very cool. I can get a cheap angenieux 10-150 or sth, shoot 2k with that, or rent + buy PL primes, etc. excellent.




Schilowitz: Why would I want to do a film scan at 2k or 4k or shoot with Red’s 4k sensor when I'm just going to deliver 720p as a broadcaster? Because you get this beautiful oversampled image you're taking down to HD. It's the same as why shoot 12 or 16 Mp on your digital still camera when you could probably shoot 2 Mp and it'd look just fine, but if you happen to want to blow it up to a poster, you've got the ability. It's a little heavier, but more resolution never seems to be a bad thing. See you at NAB!


That, and if you composite at 4k and interpolate down to 2k, you can be much more lazy with your masks, etc. Everything is easy when you are working in 2x your target res.

OOH, I want more, these people are doing what I want :)

_a

[Gibby]

There is a wealth of unreleased info about RED in my interview article with Jim Jannard that will post on Monday, including many more tech specs, pricing, accessory options, and several images of the camera prototype! Information on that interview is elsewhere on this forum.

Gibby
www.cut4.tv

[taubkin]

Everytime I read something about this camera I get convinced I'm going to own one of them at some point in time. Good thing I already started saving my pennies...

[Ted Red]

Thanks for all the excitement and interest! I'm buckled in tight as well... just don't know if the lap belt will hold me too well in the fighter jet Jim has strapped me into :-)

Looking forward to meeting those of you here that are making the Trip to Vegas.... you all know what color to bet on :-)

+ Ted

[Gibby]

It it ain't RED...you're DEAD!

[FullRez]

I guess I must have missed the posting about not having any footage at NAB. The article on DV.com was the first I heard.

[dustino]

I've only briefly looked around at the Red stuff until today when this article was emailed to me today by DV. As I read the story I got that mix of excitement and dread I always get when something revolutionary is happening in the tech world. The excitement, of course, is because this camera looks like it's actually going to happen and is going to be a dream come true for digital filmmaking. Sounds like all the elements and motivation are in place for all the right reasons.

The sense of dread comes from knowing that eventually I will obsess over 1) not having this dream machine or 2) paying off all the debt it takes to get this thing and all the necessary peripherals. Hell, my DVX was a monster purchase in my current financial world!

Even so, I'm happy to experience a little "dread" knowing what this thing might do for the independent film community. Bravo to Jim and his entire crew!

[Emanuel]

If you are waiting to see a full functioning finished camera with footage, accessories and ready to ship... just check in at the end of the year.I will be there too.

[dvpixl]

Bat Cave!