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TimurCivan
04-17-2006, 04:09 PM
As i have always touted that getting razor thin DOF, will complicate amatuer filmmaking immensley, i have been proved right.

I am working with certain memebers of this board, on a Film. WE are using 2 LEtus 35 Adpaters. with 2 nikon 50mm F1.4 lenses.

First and foremost, the light loss with said adapter is rather high. I hear there is a newer version that loses less, so hopefully the situation will be resolved. That being said, the lighting set up, which amounts to almost 1500w of light was barely creating, any hotspots, anywhere in the picture. Even at Full wide, on both lenses (35mm lens and DVX). So take into account that you will need to light Properly.

Actually using the adapters, was not as cumbersome as i thought it was going to be, especailly with the LCD magnet trick, however, you still need a monitor to make sure our focus is acceptable, these adapters do soften the image hence, getting the image as sharp as possible, is a must. You need to use Gaffers tape to secure the DVX focus and Zoom rings, so they dont move once you adjust them properly. With experince it should take less than 5 minutes. On the letus i was using the magic number was Z74 MF13. Set it, tape it, forget it. Then mount the Letus with the GG oriented correctly, and away you go. Now the Letus mounts directly to your threads, and weighs quite a bit. We had no rails to support it, and it made me quite nervous putting upwards of a pound of lens and adapter onto the the lens element of a $3500 camera. this means.... BUY RAILS! if i dropped my camera, or someone knocked over a tripod, i have a feeling the mass of an adapter ( any adapter) can rip the three small screws that hold the lens assembly to the DVX frame right out of theri holes. Then you are as as they say in french, "Screwed". So protect your camera, get rails. We are takign our chances, and being super duper careful.

A note to Vibrating GG Adapter users. Please try to confirm me on this or deny me, but when using the camera hand held, i got the distinct feeling the vibrating lens element was shaking the camera enough to soften the image. i came to this conclusion because, when setting up the DVX's for the shoot, and focusing the DVX on the non vibrating GG grain, i noticed the picture to be, grainy, but VERY sharp. when the Motor was turned on i felt like many small details of texture were being.... "Rubbed out" or "smudged away". just let me know if anyone else noticed this.

Focus:

Focus pulling is a new and scary task. Turns out my experience with still photography has come in handy and i have a bit of an edge on getting precise focus quickly, but for people not familiar with 4 inches of DOF, focusing will be an interesting experience. BE SURE of your focus, the EVDTL function should be used as a reference, not a focusing tool. USE A MONITOR!!! buy a 7" LCD monitor, or even a battery powered Portable DVD player, just to be sure. WE got lucky and had 2 production monitors, but i can see it becoming an issue, if you have only a 3 inch DVX monitor to play with.

RACKING- I found the best way to rack focus accurately, without a follow focus, is to hold the lens, in a very comfotable position focused on your END point. then twist the lens until your START point is in focus, but now your wrist should be very "uncomfortable", then when the rack begins, just turn until you feel the natural postition again, it is relatively accurate and it worked very well everytime.


Using the adapter:

The letus had some very odd quirks. the version i was using had this long, wire with a box of batteries on the end. This had to be Gaffed to the top handle of the DVX and about 2 feet of wires secured. IT was irritating, but part of the process i suppose. ( by the time i was ready to shoot, the DVX looked like a Black ninja almost completely covered in Black gaffers tape, the LCD with the magnet, the 2.35:1 Gaffers tape guide lines on the LCD itslef, the tape holding down the Focus and zoom rings, the Battery box taped on top, and teh cables taped to the side........ it was funny actually)

Also it had Plastic Lens mounts. very irritating as they were stripped already, and the lens kept falling off. ( i am glad to hear the new version has metal mounts.)

Over all the final image was nice with more light it would have been even better.

Expect the complexity of your shoots to go up exponentially when using a 35mm adapter. if you are ready for it, they are great tools, but i wrote this so you can be aware of what youre getting yourself into.

All my best,

-Timur.

Logan LeBlanc
04-17-2006, 05:04 PM
Can anyone weigh in on Timur's opinions, you know, pros and cons. As someone who is about to jump on the 35mm adapter bandwagon, I am curious to hear about some experiences.

TimurCivan
04-17-2006, 05:20 PM
yea you guys post your experineces.

marlenedegrood
04-17-2006, 06:18 PM
I'm now starting to use my DIY adapter and I can agree 100% with TimurCivan's article. Fortunatly for me...my adapter doesn't lose a lot of light and isn't very heavy. The tip on rack focus is exactly what I do and with a little practice you can get it down and smooth. I built my own support system for the adapter and I wouldn't even try to use the adapter without it. The obvious is illiminating the weight on the DVX lens, but the real plus is supporting the adapter so it doesn't move while you're rack focusing.

I also wouldn't even consider using the adapter without a 7" monitor. You can't see a dust spec with the viewfinder or lcd....but you can with the monitor. You really want to see that dust on your camera monitor and not on your computer monitor. I've had to remove the adapter and blow off the screen as many as 3 times before getting a clean image.

Gaffers tape is my best friend and that's a great tip on taping down the DVX zoom and focus.

Good post TimurCivan!

dan
04-17-2006, 10:58 PM
Things I have learned:
1. Prep day is a must. All optics should be CLEAN and the screen should be checked on a large monitor (at home!)
2. Camera and adapter should be in the same case assembled and good to go on the day.
3. Never count on finding some glasses in the car. Never.
4. A rather large monitor can help a lot (framing, lights set-up, focus) I used 6, 10 and 30". Not convenient outdoors (the big one), but inside is gold.
5. Take time to rehearse the action AND the camera action (when the dolly starts and stops, relative to action, etc)
6. Check and Mark focus (HAVE A FOCUS PULLER)
7. Take the time to show your talent on the monitor what a difference a few inches can make, so they are aware of marks and their importance!
8. Don't forget you are NOT shooting just video. Learn the "old school" rituals.
9. You will be behind the schedule if you do everything right, no matter what. Count on it! Instead of "rushing through pages" (how much can you shoot/day) CHOOSE from the story board the essentials and move into "beauty shoots" as the time allows. Cut (if possible) shoots that will NEVER play on screen and move on.
Save inserts (no background) for latter work (studio or even editing room). No "need" to get those on location.
10. Dress well outdoors, eat well and wear comfortable shoes. Your whole work and performance depends on those factors. 6 hours lunch break is a RULE. Don't break it or it will break you back.
11. Have a CREW!!!!!! It will be one of the best things you can count on.

TimurCivan
04-17-2006, 11:51 PM
Well said.

hpd
04-18-2006, 01:31 AM
Things I have learned:
1. Prep day is a must. All optics should be CLEAN and the screen should be checked on a large monitor (at home!)


Yeah, i missed that once. On field i relized that GG isn't clean. Everthing else
was organized already. So, i said to producer: "You got beautiful setup here, what about agening in post to underline the atmosphere and feeling". He agreed.
Once we finished editing, i told the truth.....

rook
04-18-2006, 08:55 AM
Yes working with an adapter add time. Focus becomes a real issue and a monitor is a must.

But the trade off is WORTH EVERY EXTRA SECOND.

It take longer but at least your footage isn't guaranteed to suck like it is without an adapter.

-rook

ovjamaica
04-18-2006, 08:59 AM
It take longer but at least your footage isn't guaranteed to suck like it is without an adapter.

-rook

Yeah, because most clips I see from the DVX without an adapter just plain suck. No matter who is using it, no matter what the lighting setup, without that adapter it's just a no-go from me. :thumbsup:

diskojerk
04-18-2006, 04:47 PM
Things I have learned:
1. Prep day is a must. All optics should be CLEAN and the screen should be checked on a large monitor (at home!)
2. Camera and adapter should be in the same case assembled and good to go on the day.
3. Never count on finding some glasses in the car. Never.
4. A rather large monitor can help a lot (framing, lights set-up, focus) I used 6, 10 and 30". Not convenient outdoors (the big one), but inside is gold.
5. Take time to rehearse the action AND the camera action (when the dolly starts and stops, relative to action, etc)
6. Check and Mark focus (HAVE A FOCUS PULLER)
7. Take the time to show your talent on the monitor what a difference a few inches can make, so they are aware of marks and their importance!
8. Don't forget you are NOT shooting just video. Learn the "old school" rituals.
9. You will be behind the schedule if you do everything right, no matter what. Count on it! Instead of "rushing through pages" (how much can you shoot/day) CHOOSE from the story board the essentials and move into "beauty shoots" as the time allows. Cut (if possible) shoots that will NEVER play on screen and move on.
Save inserts (no background) for latter work (studio or even editing room). No "need" to get those on location.
10. Dress well outdoors, eat well and wear comfortable shoes. Your whole work and performance depends on those factors. 6 hours lunch break is a RULE. Don't break it or it will break you back.
11. Have a CREW!!!!!! It will be one of the best things you can count on.

i hate to harp on you guys, but this is some pretty basic stuff that every single person should already know while working on a production, whether you are shooting on film or video. Film making is a long, tedious and labor intensive process regardless of the equipment you are using. I have read post after post about how using certain equipment makes the process more inconvenient or more difficult etc etc etc, god forbid you should have to take the time to properly light a scene. You should all be thankful that the technology is at the point where it is. You are living in a time when each and every person has access to everything they need to make a movie, at home, on their personal computer. The first film I shot took me 5 years to complete because the technology that we have now was still in its developmental stage and I didn't have unlimited access to the things every person takes for granted these days (a 9Gb hard drive was $1600 then). Dan is right, take the time and do things right and don't let the inconvenience of having to blow dust off your adaptor get in your way. When i first started, we had to do this thing called "checking the gate" every couple takes, look it up on google sometime.

TimurCivan
04-18-2006, 06:00 PM
i hate to harp on you guys, but this is some pretty basic stuff that every single person should already know while working on a production, whether you are shooting on film or video. Film making is a long, tedious and labor intensive process regardless of the equipment you are using. I have read post after post about how using certain equipment makes the process more inconvenient or more difficult etc etc etc, god forbid you should have to take the time to properly light a scene. You should all be thankful that the technology is at the point where it is. You are living in a time when each and every person has access to everything they need to make a movie, at home, on their personal computer. The first film I shot took me 5 years to complete because the technology that we have now was still in its developmental stage and I didn't have unlimited access to the things every person takes for granted these days (a 9Gb hard drive was $1600 then). Dan is right, take the time and do things right and don't let the inconvenience of having to blow dust off your adaptor get in your way. When i first started, we had to do this thing called "checking the gate" every couple takes, look it up on google sometime.

WEll this is exactly why we posted this. MAny people are not accustomed to all the "real" filmmking processes that 35mm adapters present, like proper lighting, focus, dust, blah blah....
Many folk are spoiled by 5$ homedepot lights and DV camera light sensitivity and Dof. They think just buying a 35mm adapter is going to instantly get them a perfect picture, but they will quick to realise " Oh wait this actuallly takes work now".

rook
04-18-2006, 06:31 PM
... Film making is a long, tedious and labor intensive process regardless of the equipment you are using.


I could not disagree more. It's more like playing to me. And the more toys the better.

-rook

Aaron Marshall
04-18-2006, 07:02 PM
The obvious is illiminating the weight on the DVX lens, but the real plus is supporting the adapter so it doesn't move while you're rack focusing.


Amen Marlene! That is so true.

marlenedegrood
04-18-2006, 08:22 PM
I could not disagree more. It's more like playing to me. And the more toys the better.

-rook
This is a good very good point. It is like playing, if it isn't fun then it will show in your footage. I've worked with photographers and filmmakers who were taking their "job" wayyyyy too seriously by being overly concerned with technical details once on location. They were'nt smiling, joking or sometimes even being civil because they were consumed with the assignment and overwelmed with fear of failure. Those technical details should be so second hand that you don't have to fear them. Have those down, and then just enjoy what you're creating. I love toys and I play with them a lot before getting down to business, then when I pick up the camera, I'm combining fun with business.

bklyndv
04-19-2006, 12:40 AM
It doesn't have to be long and tedius all the time -- though by the same token, nothing good is ever easy.

Brandon Rice
04-19-2006, 12:42 AM
nothing good is ever easy.

Truer words were never spoken.

TimurCivan
04-19-2006, 01:12 AM
oh no but its hard in all the right ways. it makes a nice process out of shooting. to tell you the truth i actually liked it. it forced me to perform like a "pro", no mistakes, quick, efficient and "right". We were on a schedule with no room for error, and it was fun shooting under pressure, and under pressure is when i perform my best anyway.


i liked the way it felt too. If you have ample light, you can fine tune exposure, and completley controll depth of field. Outdoor scnes become interesting because, you ca dial in exactly what DOF you want, then adjust the DVX iris till you hit your desired exposure. it felt more like taking pictures than shooting video, but somehow, you had a tad MORE control of the light. its a nice feeling.

diskojerk
04-21-2006, 04:20 PM
I'm not implying that you can't have fun while working on a project, just that you are there to do a job and not play. There is a great documentary about the late Stanley Kubrick shot by his daughter when he was filming the shining. If you want to now what it takes to be a great director/film maker, watch that documentary. I think it is included in The Shining DVD that comes with the Kubrick collection. Actually, any documentary you can watch about Stanley Kubrick will show you what it takes.