Ted Schilowitz of AJA joins RED.

[Jarred Land]

http://www.hdforindies.com/ (http://www.hdforindies.com/)

Ted Schilowitz; formerly of AJA is now Ted Red, head of Red :)

Mike Curtis has the scoop over on Hdforindies.

[taubkin]

So Cool!!!

[Digigenic]

Does everybody on the RED team get to change their last name to RED?
It's as if our past experiences in videography left us without a true identity, and now that RED is here, the lost are now found, almost like children of the RED.
Kinda cool, but kinda spooky too.
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haha, which one the kids would be Jarred?
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[Jannard]

you guys are a scary as we are...

[Jarred Land]

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haha, which one the kids would be Jarred?
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im the blonde kid Far right.

Hey, there is no mistake that my name is JarRED.

I was concieved i think the first week that Jim started selling oakley grips.

[Jack_Felis]

This is probably a big fatty "no", but is that a real film project?

[craigbowman]

This is probably a big fatty "no", but is that a real film project?

No, its purely digital!

[Jarred Land]

lol..

[Blaine]

LMAO. This is some great stuff. I cannot wait for NAB, this year!

[Digigenic]

This is probably a big fatty "no", but is that a real film project?
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"big fatty no" indeed...
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...unless you can find me the guy who played Malachai...
only then will we be able to make a "real" movie.
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[Jarred Land]

Up untill a year ago I put Children of the Corn (which i saw when i was maybe 10) as one of the scariest horror movies on my all time lists.. untill last winter when i watched it again for the first time and realized it was shiit.

[Digigenic]

im the blonde kid Far right..
Cool, cuz I already called the kid in the pimp leisure suit.


Hey, there is no mistake that my name is JarRED.

I was concieved i think the first week that Jim started selling oakley grips.
see... makes it even more spooky...

[taubkin]

And suddenly this thread is about somethng else I can't exactly define... :o

[menchifus]

you guys are a scary as we are...

What's scary is how much time we all have on our hands. Isn't anybody shooting and editing? Jeez...

Not to burst anyone's bubble but this cam, as great as it sounds, will most likely be out of our financial reaches. I'm thinking minimum $50,000. Even if it was just $25,000, how many people here can afford that? If many of us can afford $25,000, then this forum would have been called SDXUSER.COM and not DVXUSER.COM.

So please, Jim, can you make RED a sub$10,000 cam? PLEASE...

[Jarred Land]

Well the Red wont be a weekend warrior camera.. for most consumers. Even if it was 50k, you would be surprised how many people here would be able to afford it, If people are renting themselves out with camera for $1000 a day thats only 2 shooting months for ROI. Me, Evin, Barry and most of the guys that got the first couple HVX's paid them off in a week.
I can bet you that I wouldnt of shot Munich inserts for Spielberg if it wasnt for the fact that I was the only guy the producers knew that actually had the camera. A tool is a tool.. but bet your ass that whoever has RED the first couple months after it comes out will hafta get a new phone line to handle all the calls.

[Daniel Skubal]

RED is seriously going to do some damage in the film world and the fact that they're working so closely with their target customers says a lot about this company. Jim and Ted, you're doing a great job. You're pulling off a miracle and setting us free.

An idea just hit me, would RED ever consider establishing a film-out lab? I think offering that service through the company with their business outlook would be nice and affordable. I know it's a random venture, but I'm guessing that the processing of this stuff is going to be tricky. just a thought.

[Jarred Land]

RED is seriously going to do some damage in the film world and the fact that they're working so closely with their target customers says a lot about this company. Jim and Ted, you're doing a great job. You're pulling off a miracle and setting us free.

An idea just hit me, would RED ever consider establishing a film-out lab? I think offering that service through the company with their business outlook would be nice and affordable. I know it's a random venture, but I'm guessing that the processing of this stuff is going to be tricky. just a thought.

I dont know how much longer down the pipe emulsion will be a factor.. as DI's and Digital projections are ramping up and up, its only a matter of time before the old reels become collector items. Being a Future forward company, Im not sure an entire film-out lab is something that would be in their best interest. However, That Future is still a few years away and Im sure this camera will be competing with the Vipers and 900s out there that have a much higher percentage of film outs, so Im sure they could leverage a very nice partnership with a lab, or someone wilth at least a laser to aid in the process when it must be done.

[Jarred Land]

RED is seriously going to do some damage in the film world and .

yes.. alot of companies are in fact, going to "see red"

[Daniel Skubal]

yes.. alot of companies are in fact, going to "see red"

hehehe I look forward to the NAB reports.

You're right about digital projection being the future over celluloid. I still think film will be the dominant force until digital workflows improve and the digital projectors get thoroughly diffused into the market. It's hard telling how long that might take. I know of several regional theaters here in indiana who are almost afraid to upgrade because of how expensive it is. In fact, the theaters I have spoken to have jacked up their prices again on concessions to compensate for the changeover.

RED however, may speed that process up and the celluloid printing will become nulled, like you said. Viva la revolucion de digital!

[Jarred Land]

Yes... its at an interesting point. Hardcore Film guys are starting to change over, or at least give HD a chance.. and I think that will move pretty fast. The big thing ironically is the Commercial DP's.. they are the still fighting for film, even though the deliverable is HD. That, is just starting to change. so it will be very interesting to see what happens in the next couple years.

[Damon Botsford]

Guys, let's not digress too far from the topic of this thread... Children of the Corn.

[Jarred Land]

Guys, let's not digress too far from the topic of this thread... Children of the Corn.

Yes.. let me try and get it back onto the RED topic and find a common bond.

Interesting, or not so interesting, is that in 1984, when Children of the Corn hit movie theaters for the very firt time, Jim Jannard came out with the very first pair of Oakley sunglasses; the Eyeshades. Go figure.

[Damon Botsford]

Tell me you didn't just pull the release date of COTC from memory.
That was the nutbag kid from the Burbs, another piece of shiit movie. My girlfriend always laughs at the part when Tom Hanks slides down the stairs at the end. I always look at her in disgust for laughing.
By the way, how 'bout a contest to see who can prove they bought the earliest pair of Oakleys for a RED discount? I'm in around '85 with my Iridiums and oversized Oakley sticker in my rear view mirror. I think I deserve a discount for completely destroying my chances of getting laid that year. Don't get me wrong, Oakley's were cool... 98 pound band member sporting Oakley's... not cool.

[Jarred Land]

I'm in around '85 with my Iridiums and oversized Oakley sticker in my rear view mirror. I think I deserve a discount for completely destroying my chances of getting laid that year..

post of the day.

Jees.. way to go Ted, look what youve done :)

[Damon Botsford]

Hey, before I hit it, any chance I can still collect? ...

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=426465#post426465

Since we have a hierarchy here, perhaps I can be the "Court Jester"?

[Jarred Land]

done.

[Graeme_Nattress]

I've had to change my name to Graeme Red. Good job the colour matches my beard.

That poster is hilarious! Love it!

Graeme

[Jarred Land]

ha ha hah :)

i think your due for a little username upgrade as well Graeme.

[J.R. Hudson]

Up untill a year ago I put Children of the Corn (which i saw when i was maybe 10) as one of the scariest horror movies on my all time lists.. untill last winter when i watched it again for the first time and realized it was shiit.

LMAO! :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

[Jack_Felis]

Man, I can't believe I forgot Children of the Corn. My bad =P

[Rextilleon]

If the Red is the real deal, it will be interesting to see how Sony and Panasonic react---pricewise. In other words, does the Varicam and the Cinealta go south pricewise?

[Graeme_Nattress]

Thanks Jarred. Sure it will be interesting to see how they react, but they really don't have the business model to do what we're doing. They'd have to change more than just the price of their products to do that.

Graeme

[Jarred Land]

Yes.. It will be interesting to see what happens to the entire industry.. I kind of see it as if Some new company came in and built a sports car for $30,000 that could on the track beat every single car out there.. including 500k Ferrari's. What whould happen? would Ferrari make them cheaper? I dont think so, they would probaly take care of the new company by driving it out to the desert and showing them the italian way of solving problems.

I think the initial reaction is the other companies may try and bury Red.. which wont work. Then they will just most likely ignore Red and hope to god they just go away.

[bzengo]

I had a pair of 1983 Oakleys that I wore all the time in 1984. Don't quite remember what version they were, but I bought them in 1983.

I wore them with my grey 1984 Patagonia pullover, which a) I've got a photo of me wearing back then - actually, a few years later just after my now 19 year old daughter had just been born and I was still skinny and she was SO tiny, and b) I still have the 1984 grey Patagonia pullover, just across the room from me right now, actually, over by my DSL router.

BUT... I can produce witnesses who can testify that I used to wear my 1983 Oakleys with my grey 1984 Patagonia, back when I was a Director/Paramedic at both the Zip Line and the Tyrol, on the Ropes Course, week after week in the Gunks, just outside of Rosendale, New York, at a place called Mountain Lake Manor.

1983... Do I qualify for the discount?

Because I'm saving EVERYTHING I've got, to start shooting a MAJOR documentary using the RED Camera, that we intend to qualify for AMPAS consideration for the 2009 Academy Awards. (Shooting in 2007 & 2008, post-production in 2008-9, released in summer 2009. The 2009 Academy Award season starts for documetaries in the fall of 2009, with nominations in early 2010, and the awards in February-March 2010.)

As principle photography includes shooting documentary footage of both a number of ordinary women, and hopefully, a number of Academy Award winning actresses, we want to film everyone with what we believe is the best camera available. RED. And since we're going to be interviewing them for hours at a time, and we'll only get one take, we're going to need the ability to capture large quantities of something other than film, or the film costs would eat us alive. As would having to stop to change mags. Not to mention having to edit many hundreds of hours of footage.

Plus, when you're shooting the most beautiful women in the world, you want to be able to capture in 4K.

The movie?

FEATURE DOCUMENTARY: What's Your Sexual Pattern?
LOGLINE: Why do people date the same types, over and over again?

So to get back on point... so far anyway, no one's claimed an older pair of Oakleys. So I'm wondering... Discount? *smiles sweetly*

Jesse Wendel
Seattle

[Jarred Land]

1983 are you sure? from what I know they didnt come out till 84. Good thing we have mr. O here to set us straight.

[Stephen W]

Yes.. It will be interesting to see what happens to the entire industry.. I kind of see it as if Some new company came in and built a sports car for $30,000 that could on the track beat every single car out there.. including 500k Ferrari's. What whould happen? would Ferrari make them cheaper? I dont think so, they would probaly take care of the new company by driving it out to the desert and showing them the italian way of solving problems.

I think the initial reaction is the other companies may try and bury Red.. which wont work. Then they will just most likely ignore Red and hope to god they just go away.

I speculated some time back that the answer of the "big boys" to Red will be a dirty tricks campaign. It's the only response they can give in the short term so I anticipate that they will probably start with questioning whether the resolution is necessary, then attack the storage and post-production needs of such a system, then probably point out that the build quality for a product from such a little company couldn't possibly compare with the "professional" products that they build. In fact, I'd imagine they will probably refer to is as an "amateur" product or some such, they'll find "industry professionals" to give statements about why Red doesn't campare to CineAlta etc. etc. and then it'll be "resolution isn't everything" and they'll point to the massive amounts that they've spent on R&D and how Red is just cobbled together in Jim's garage. Or of course, they may just ignore it which is a fairly risky strategy but an easy one to pursue.

[Jarred Land]

Yeah Stephen.. I think you probally hit the nail on the head.

[androbot2084]

I bet the biggest dirty trick will be that the naysayers will say that it is impossible to deliver ultra high definition video. The naysayers for years have been saying that about HD and unfortunatley too many people have believed them. I think Jim Janard knows how to deal with the naysayers which is to make them eat their words.

[craigbowman]

Just wait for the lawyers to get involved! While they challenge every technology for patent infringements and try to tie up the release in court, the majors will scramble for the next few years to try and come up with competing products.

[Jack_Felis]

It's interesting to hear this part of the RED speculation. Just what would Panasonic, Canon, Sony, and JVC do? They'd be the kids with yesterday's toys while RED is the rich kid with the new model. Panasonic and Canon would hurt a lot I think and Sony in the upper XDCAM and F900 division, they just released new stuff! Just depends on RED's price to begin with and then the adoption of it afterwards. I'll still wait for the reviews though before I plunk down $12,000+ on it, for example.

[bzengo]

1983 are you sure? from what I know they didnt come out till 84. Good thing we have mr. O here to set us straight. No, I'm not sure. What I am sure of, is I wore them in 84 as a Ropes Course Director in the Gunks. How and when I picked them up, I don't remember. I just assumed they were 83's because I had them before I got to the ropes course and got my Patagonia at the sports store next to the cookie store, about 15 miles away from Site, and I know I got the Patagonia in July of 84, when I first went on Staff.

But if there wasn't an 83 model, then - *shrugs* - it must have been the 84. I got it on the West Coast somehow, I think when I was riding my motercycle (an old Honda 175) up from Tucson to San Francisco, to Santa Rosa, to try and get hired at the west coast Site of the ropes course people. Which they eventually did. And promptly shipped me to the east coast around July 1.

But how and when I picked up the Oakleys... I have no idea, just that I had them when I showed up to the east coast ropes course.

Jesse Wendel
Seattle

Modified to add:

The interesting thing is, since I was a kid, I've always known, way before it was hip or cool, what the genuinely best stuff was. To wit:

I had:
An Osborne 1 computer.
An original Compaq Portable.
Oakleys, before people knew who they were.
Patagonia, before anyone except climbers were wearing them.
Same for my Black Diamond climbing harness
The original Norton Utilities.
The original MACE Utilities
I confess, I missed the boat on the original Macs. Stupid, stupid me.
I was a paramedic and a flight medic. Spent close to 10 years in big-city inner-city neighboorhoods. Spotting the best medical gear to come - Lifepacks for example, or which helicopters or hoists are better than others - puts lives on the line.
And more, much more.
I'm not especially cool or hip myself. *laughs* But I am able to select quality stuff, in the areas it matters to me.

Coming up next... The RED camera.

Here's a big hint on how my thinking goes about leading edge products. I bet on people who "take care of people" and who understand design, not just on stuff.

Lots of people can come up with stuff. Very few people understand design, and almost no one not only understands design, but is also passionate about taking care of people. When you find one such person, buy their product...

What makes RED stand out is, Jim and the RED team is committed to making a camera that takes care of the concerns of shooters. Period. Once you get that, you get why they're able to leap several generations at once. *smiles*

later...

[Jarred Land]

What makes RED stand out is, Jim and the RED team is committed to making a camera that takes care of the concerns of shooters. Period. Once you get that, you get why they're able to leap several generations at once. *smiles*

later...

Incredibly well said.. I agree, which is why when Jim had just a temporary website with a few specs I gave Red the full support of DVXuser.com, without even a handshake. Sometimes you just know a good thing when you see it, and are excited to be part of a revolution.

[JonathanNelson]

Incredibly well said.. I agree, which is why when Jim had just a temporary website with a few specs I gave Red the full support of DVXuser.com, without even a handshake. Sometimes you just know a good thing when you see it, and are excited to be part of a revolution.

I know its funny how exciting this is. My family generally doesn't even care about electronics but I told them about Red and now they want come with me to see the mock up at NAB.

Even if this thing doesn't meet our expectations, you have to agree that it was fun to be apart of. If you don't agree, then I bet you were pretty popular in high school.